>Write successful comic series that shows he has actual talent and distances him from MCR
>Trained under Grant Morrison and learned the secrets of the Hypercrisis
>Heads up a brand new imprint of comic books and busts his ass to make it quality
>Creates awesome marketing gimmicks like the Cave Carson cassette and the soon to be released Young Animal LP
I really wanted to dislike him, but guys, Gerard Way is actually pretty awesome. I fucking love YA and everything that comes with it.
>Gets credit for actual editing that he doesn't do
>Books all have delays because he mismanages the imprint and his own book
Eh, we got Superpowers at least.
The true star of Young Animal.
Just give Scioli his own book He'll let him do the next Doom patrol volume he deserves better than a back up
>I wanted to dislike him
fuck you too
Fuck You
Why would you want to dislike him? He's been putting out great comics since 2008? also his music is great.
So is Cave Carson over or still going? Couldn't really tell by last issue's ending.
That's not Shade the Changing Girl
but no you're right, pic related is the best single page of any comic ever
>I wanted to dislike him
Why tho ??? He's a through and through comic book lover who interned at DC long before he was ever famous and has consistently produced quality content what the fuck is your problem ???
He was taught to hate MCR because hating on MCR was cool, even though every major release has been solid.
You should have read Umbrella Academy. It's better than his Doom Patrol so far.
>Liking Cave Carson
I understand that it's your opinion, but it just bored me. I don't understand the appeal. At first it was like a dark, cape Life Aquatic, but that was just the first issue. I only pulled it for muh nigga Scioli anyway.
But even that ended up breaking my heart because I hated having to wait a month for 3 pages of content. I'm glad Scioli has a new webcomic. He deserves better than just doing back-ups for a boring book.
I also take issue with Oeming's art. I have only liked him under specific circumstances, like Aleister and Adolf. That was a decent book.
>Black and white, no colorists to compromise your style
>His dumb style for faces at least let him make a good caricature of Crowley and other historical figures.
>Actual content that lets him show off his skills as an artist, half-remembered ritual scenes, experiences while drugged, and a general theme exploring visual design and composition
If you cared about Oeming's art, I'd far more recommend that over Cave Carson.
The only book that has delays is the one he's writing and it's because he doesn't want to be held down by deadlines and put on something shitty and keep a consistent artist the entire time.
>That's not Shade the Changing Girl
Good, I'm not alone. Shade grew on me.
Something about the faces and expressions feels so alien and weird, and then I came to see that as the general theme, and it all came together for me.
Still, it feels like a cop-out that Zarcone rarely ever commits to any real visual "madness",
but I let it slide.
Being human is mad enough, man
Also: that last issue
what the FUCK
>Still, it feels like a cop-out that Zarcone rarely ever commits to any real visual "madness",
u wot m8
Shade is easy the best book and was even from the #1s.
Is this any good? I haven't read it yet, but I bought every Issue so far on comixology because my last name is Carson
Man Umbrella Academy was wank, I don't know what people saw in that. If I wanted kids being assholes in a school setting there's a thousand other things to read that do it better.
You should probably get it just so you have something name-related to impress your friends with.
Yea I gotta see about getting posters of things like your pic
You come into something based on Shade with certain preconceived notions if you've ever stuck your nose into the Milligan run at least.
Or at least I just liked how the colors were printed in the 80s/early 90s. Very moody.
>Kids
>School setting
Did you even read it? None of the present action of the series involved any of that at all.
Barely flashbacks at most.
It sounds like you just read the name and saw a few covers.
Very insightful opinion.
Maybe I'm mistaking it for something else. I'm terrible with names but there was some "kids in a shady school snooping around behind the teachers back" comic that was making the rounds a while ago and I just couldn't see what everyone was raving about.
Dumping this here for General Young Animal stuff. This contains slight spoilers for Issues 6 of different books:
Starting off with a discussion of Doom Patrol, and noting that the Director’s Cut was released this week, they also said issue number 6 is coming up in April. Way said he feels “super lucky” to be working on the title, and brought up the new scheduling on Doom Patrol. More complicated to put together than expected, the series is going to arrive after a hiatus between 6 and 7, drawn by Mike Allred. Way said keeping the quality of the book was the biggest issue, and they want to be able to guarantee dates rather than being behind. Cancelling the three issues for orders was so that they could re-solicit after the restructuring of the schedule.
Since Way is involved in all of the Young Animal comics, he clarified that he is involved in running the imprint, doing business stuff constantly, so that can get in the way of writing scripts fast enough, he said. He looks at everything that comes in from Young Animal, which takes time. Asked about the evolution of Larry Trainor, Way said he was a character who needed to be figured out over time since the character changed a lot in the past since his inception. He’s constantly evolving as a character, too. He’s never had a say about what’s happening to his body, so Way wanted to give him a chance to talk about that. He’s “different” now since he’s encountered the Negative Spirit.
Way said he enjoys writing Cliff since he kind of talks like an old man, and some aspects of his character are “kinda sad”, as is Larry, but he still loves writing him.
Way uses Casey to be an entry point into the concepts of the Doom Patrol, and the changes Way has made to the powers of the characters, like Danny.
>Issue #6 was the easiest to write, and it’s the first time he’s written a 6 issue arc where #6 is so different from the previous issues. After the second arc, which is probably going to be 6 issues, Way intends to do “shorter bursts” and two-issue arcs. This is something that Grant Morrison recommended to him, doing 2 or 3 issue arcs.
>Talking about doing variant covers for Doom Patrol by non-comics artists, such as the Doom Patrol #6 cover by Samplerman, Way describes it as “bringing fine artists into Young Animal”.
>Running the “Bane’s Coloring Corner” in the back of the comics, Way said he loved the artist’s “super depressing” work. Bane is just inherently funny, Way commented, to laughter. You’ll see more of Bane in Cave Carson, he said.
>Rich explained to the audience that there’s a lot of extra content in Young Animal books, including plenty of text.
>Cave Carson has been “running” hard without a pause, Rich said, and Rivera said it’s a “journey and adventure”. Establishing the recurring locations in the book was hard because it keeps moving, basically, every couple issues. Michael Avon Oeming’s artwork keeps adapting quickly, they said, and Rivera feels he has to work harder to challenge him. Things are “pretty bleak” right now in the series, Rivera said, aside from the Night Pudding. Things get rough for Cave at the end of issue #5, Rivera said. Cave loses his eye, as it leaps out of his head, “Even his eye is sick of him”, Rivera laughed. There are a lot of butts in the comic, Rivera agreed, based on a question sent by his editor Molly Mahan. Rivera said that everyone’s butts have been “covered/uncovered” and they are on a second round of that.
>In issue #7, Cave will be encountering Superman. Rivera said “zero pressure” in working with Superman. Rivera never dared to dream he’d do so, but it was fun working him into the story.
>He feels like he “carried the one ring” for a while, and “when I die I get to sail off into the west”, Rivera geek-talked, to laughter.
>This will be the story of how Superman and Cave met, “slightly remixed” and inspired by a 1980’s comic. In the original comic, Cave was a “complete jerk” to Superman and maybe he regrets that now, Rivera said. It’s hard to incorporate Superman into a story like Cave, since if he did arrive, then everything would be “over”, he added. He watched Superman 2 to “prep” to write the series, he admitted. He wished he could’ve included Louis Lane more, since she’s such a fun character.
>The new backup feature in the comic will be “The Wonderful World of Rocks” by James Russell, drawn by Benjamin Dewey. In this, you’ll start getting information about new characters and their relationship to Cave, Way said.
>Mother Panic features three artists doing three issues each, and rotating. Houser said you want consistency in these books, but you also want to include various skills and talents from these artists. They are playing with villains, now, and choosing that change helps, while keeping Violet Paige as the consistency. Working now with Shawn Crystal, whose art is “fantastical”, Houser particularly loves Crystal’s flashback scenes for Paige. We’ve seen stark realism from Tommy Lee Edwards, but now we get a more impressionistic view, too, from Crystal. The semi-villain Pretty was altered in Gather House to become beautiful, but they went too far, and now he’s uncanny to look at, whereas Paige was enhanced cybernetically.
>Houser said getting to play in the Batman world is interesting, and having a character who doesn’t like Batman in that world is interesting. Her points, like the fact that Batman beats up mentally ill people, are challenging to Houser, who personally likes Batman. An old Batman villain, the Ratcatcher, is in the comic, too. Houser knows the character from a Batman/Catwoman comic in the 90’s
>Ratcatcher was one of Gerard Way’s ideas to bring the story further into the DCU. Way figured there “was nothing going on with a character named Ratcatcher and there wasn’t”, he laughed. In Mother Panic, the character has served time, is free, has been evicted from his apartment, and is squatting in the basement of the hotel that’s the basis of Violet’s operations.
>There will be one more issue with Shawn Crystal, and then in May, John Paul Leon will be joining issue #7. His style is “different but really cool”, Way said, and he’s a big fan. Some of his interior pages in ink, shown in the panel, were really crisp and iconic looking. Space and architecture was handled in a really classic and stark way. There will be a character who’s like a “dude wearing a body bag”, which will be very creepy, Houser said, and in that arc Violet will have to decide whether she’s really on the path of revenge or not.
>Talking about Shade the Changing Girl, Rich reminded that issue #7 comes out next Wednesday, drawn by Marguerite Sauvage. Cecil Castellucci said that working with Sauvage this time, she decided to focus on the character Loma this time. She wanted to veer away from the character Megan this time, and talk about the ways in which Loma is not really cool in her behavior and thinking either, compared even to Megan. She “channeled some madness” working on the series, she said. Focusing on Loma’s perspective helped keep the crazy premises of the book on track, and making it “Loma’s story” helped Castellucci navigate bringing Megan in, too.
>“Life with Honey”, is Loma’s favorite Earth TV show, and is drawn by Dan Parent, and is “I Love Lucy” inspired but features the wife of a scientist working on nuclear bombs in Los Alamos. Castellucci liked the idea of an alien being obsessed with a TV show like this. Colorist Kelly Fitzpatrick created a TV grey tone for those features.
>Talking about doing variant covers for Doom Patrol by non-comics artists
That Brian Chippendale cover for #1 was perfect. Glad to see more of that.
Did someone post this before?
>The madness is “growing in scope”, Rich said, and asked how that happens. Castellucci said that the thing about madness is that it can’t really be tamed. It’s taking hold of Loma, and as she is trying to navigate it, it’s growing inside her, too.
>Asked what Young Animal books relate most to our current day and age, Rich said Shade is the most grounded in the real world, and Castellucci agreed. Rivera reminded that Cave Carson includes bloodthirsty corporations, which is relevant. Houser said that Mother Panic is about the extremely wealthy and how they oppress others, which she sees as apropos.
>Way isn’t sure they thought about this, starting out, though he agrees that “the best comics are a product of their time”. They didn’t necessarily realize that, but have been putting everything around “us into these books”, he said.
>Some of the creators have been surprised that things have become even more relevant lately in their comics, and Houser agreed that current times have helped her write an “angry” character when she’s not usually an angry person.
>Coming up we have Bug! The Adventures of Forager #1, and Way said seeing the art from Mike Allred and Laura Allred is full of excitement. They chose a character who “spoke” to them, and taking an obscure character and working on them is what Young Animal is doing well. Bug is a “big giant tribute to Jack Kirby”, Rich said. You’ll see the original Blue Beetle, a Yeti, and a chase through dimensions for “reality shards”. It’s something that has been talked about in Cave Carson, slightly changed. It’s going to lead up to a Fall/Winter “event” when the books will tie together in a certain way, Way said. The shards have something to do with that.
>This summer, the trade paperbacks containing the first 6 issues of each series are coming up, including lots of extras and back up material, Rich said. Design is happening right now, with Way approving things that very morning.
TPBS!
> You'll see more of Bane in Cave Carson
well i'm hyped
>Record Store Day is also coming up, including “DC Young Animal Mixtape” with intros to the comics and a new story by Mike Allred. The cover is by Nick Derrington. Way wanted to work music into this world because it encouraged him to try something different than he’d ever done before, like creating a “sad 70’s song from a documentary” sound for Cave Carson.
>Way said he wants the songs to be from the worlds of the comics or reflect them. They are talking about recording a song that’s by a band that Shade loves with Gerard Way and Cecil Castellucci involved.
>Asked about using the Gyro as a symbol in Doom Patrol, Way said he wanted to do a tribute to Andy Warhol. It started as a hotdog, but morphed into different incarnations. The hotdog felt too “phallic”, he said, and they wanted something “nurturing”. He’s always been interested in “worlds within things”.
>Asked how these books fit into DCU continuity, Way said it’s something they are developing, and it will define over time. It’s on the “fringe” of the DCU, happening a little on the outside of the Rebirth elements. They’ve had to get permission for the Bat characters, and Mother Panic is set in Gotham, but at a distance.
>Asked if they want to live in the worlds of their comics, Jody Houser said Gotham had too much danger, need for health insurance, etc. Cecil Castellucci said she wouldn’t mind visiting Meta. Rivera would like to go back to the underground Muldroog once things have calmed down. Gerard Way wants to visit Dannyland.
Lot's of great information, forgive the formatting, I don't usually dump stuff. Glad to see that the TPB's have the backups in them
this. Shade the Changing Girl and New Super-man only two really great DC books besides Flinstones
The Coloring With Bane bits are amazing. It's like he's really a shitposter.
Shade's actually the only one that I've ordered, because Rebirth stuff is unusually expensive for leafs.
Even converting the US price to CAD, this thing is like $8 higher
It's still going. One of the next issues is Cave's Superman story
Deathstroke
They should give Castellucci and Houser mainline DC books. I would not mind if either of them replaced Cucka on Wonder Woman.
I'm a big fan of Nightwing too, but I wouldn't say it's exceptional. It is competent, which is better than most comics.
not really my style, its pretty good though
Deadly Class
>Young Animal Mixtape
I'm so fucking excited for this. "Into the Cave We Wander" was fucking haunting.
Gotham Academy?
I have the cassette. I played it. It was good.
Same. I got by the grace of the new comic shop in town. Got a decent amount of record stores in my area, so I'm hoping that of them will have the record.
I like Doom Patrol more honestly, #3 and #5 were fantastic. I like Way's storytelling and dialogue a little more than Castellucci's.
How did Grant Morrison end up being friends with a rockstar anyway? Or did they meet before Way was famous?
Morrison is friends with fucking porn stars, pretty sure when you're that weird and prolific it's not hard to make friends with other famous people assuming they aren't squares.
>How did Grant Morrison end up being friends with a rockstar anyway?
Destiny.
>Best DC Mainline
New Super-Man
>Best Young Animal line
Shade the Changing Girl
>Best Hanna Barbera line
Flintstones
Morning Glories?
I'm still confused by that cassette. I had originally seen it reported as some convention item, and then I got one from my lcs, I assume by virtue of being possibly the only person with Cave Carson on my pull.
So it ended up being some limited bonus that was shipped out with the comics, or is it just if your lcs is savvy enough to get ahold of some?
It just originally struck me as funny because I'm a Sciolifag and just had basic, lukewarm interest in Cave Carson itself.
I completely agree
It was both a convention exclusive and a bonus for any LCS that ordered Cave. Each shop only got one copy though. Mine just decided to sell theirs, though I've heard stories of some owners just putting them directly on eBay.
Agreed. The only good book from Rebirth.
was Way the one who did Poet Anderson: Dream Walker, or was that from a different tween sensation turned Sup Forumsmrade?
cool that he's getting back into comics. Now, is he ever going to continue The Umbrella Academy?