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Rosemarys Baby poster. Fucking weebtard

mother was on par with evangelion, if not better. theyre just trying to convey this through the poster, as 95% of japs have seen evangelion (its one of the most highly regarded things ever over there)

The EoE poster is an homage to the poster for Roman Polanski’s Rosemary’s Baby.

Go back to and never come back

nooo there's an ancient art piece with the same composition I just can't find what it is!
any anons with knowledge about visual arts and shit, PLEASE HELP ME

/thread

>trying to talk like you know what's going on, but you can't recognize Korean instead of Japanese

Not so sure about that.

korea and japan basically have 90% the same culture, but the korean language is chinesey

wow what is it like to post about things you know nothing about?

That's completely different looking, you thick cunt.

Rosemary's Baby is the source.

The original Evangelion in combination with End of Evangelion does make for a fascinating story, but the true test of whether or not one understands and accepts Evangelion, is accepting that Rei Ayanami is the best girl.

Without doing that, one can't have said to have grasped the characters, the setting or it's story, and therefore one cannot provide any understanding of it.

Dont know, try to ask an american.

Yeah and Black Swan is a rip off of Perfect Blue.

They actually meant this

>That's completely different looking, you thick cunt.
are you blind, nigger?

youtube.com/watch?v=anlHmGA-Bvs

>Darren Aronofsky
He steals shit from anime all the time and no one seems to call him up for it.

Look at Black Swan, that's pretty much a ripoff of Perfect Blue

THANK YOU
me:

true

>evangelion is about how we interact with our surroundings and how that builds and destroys us
>escapism is evil and should be avoided

>lets fight for 20 straight years about which waifu is better!!!!1!1!1

le kill urself

Frick off

You're dense

What would an Murican adaptation of Evangelion look like?

As bad as any other live action anime.

Pacific Rim

dude dont come talking trashed ive lived in japan for two years i think i know my fucking shit

>ive lived in japan for two years
*inhales*

>two years
BOI

What did you just say to me, you piece of thrash? Do you wanna settle this like a man? How far are you from Houston?

Actually one of my favorite movie posters of all time

What?

Why are there waifufags in every single evangelion thread?
This is the worst story ever to pick a "best girl" out of.
It's not the focus at all, and it trivializes the anime into some fanservice cute girl crap.

Because Asuka is without a doubt the best girl of all fiction

You are just a kid. Every 40+ man knows, this anime is about waifus.

This has nothing, yet everything, to do with waifufaggotry. By screeching about it, you've done no better than and also failed the test. You don't have the necessary analytical toolsets to grasp Evangelion.

>He steals shit from anime all the time and no one seems to call him up for it.
There's actually no such thing as an original idea

*worst
Literal training wheels character for waifu-tards.

this.
literally every concept was invented in 1800 and we ran out of ideas.

Correct, and Rei being best girl is an integral part of that story.

he also owns the rights to that anime

> this trivializes the anime
> you don't have the necessary analytical toolsets to grasp Evangelion

>still doesn't get it
You are the waifufag here. Just like you should be able to comment that EVA01 is mainly purple, you should be able to comment that Rei is the best girl.

If you cannot do that without becoming buttflustered enough to start meme-posting, you're clearly too emotionally and un-intellectually involved to actually grasp the finer points of Evangelion.

This isn't waifu war - it's what Evangelion is.

somehow, mother! ended up being way more stupid and pretentious than NGE

It wasn't the movie poster though, it was the English language DVD cover

> you're clearly too emotionally and un-intellectually involved to actually grasp the finer points of Evangelion
What the fuck am I reading kek. Are you really a fucking autist unable to grasp the concept of funposting ? Are you mentally challenged to the point where you can't even shitpost about stuff you enjoy ?

There's nothing to ruin about Evangelion because it's already terrible. It is monster-of-the-week bottom-of-the-barrel B-movie dredge that the creators hated and didn't even want to finish so they just threw some detritus together.

The most existentially meaningful and interesting adaptation of Evangelion was an orgiastic porn parody because when it comes down to it that's the reason we're all here and that's why human life exists, because of relentless fucking, people pushing as much human seed as they possibly can into other people and into themselves. Everything human life does is because of sex, whether it's creating art or fighting robots.

The essential drive behind the creation of Eva was fucking waifus into exhaustion and nothing else, not saving one's self from oppression or renewing one's self worth or finding new understanding in the complexity of life and appreciating the subtlety of human nature, just fucking, and there's enduring comedy in people who ignore it.

>I-I-was just funposting
I see.

>that the creators hated and didn't even want to finish

>he believes the "Anno hates his fans" meme
How old are you?

my favorite low iq weeb meme

He's partially right. Although reducing everything to sex is a boring conversational topic, Anno does indeed hate at least some of his fans.

In truth, Hideaki Anno is a huge manchild - anyone who knows him can attest to this, including his wife and coworkers. He's an otaku, and otaku, just like the people you see hating on each other due to their preference in superhero comic franchises, Anno hates people for not picking his side in comics and anime.

It really is that simple - so when Anno made Evangelion, his favorite character was Asuka. But, the audience and indeed, everyone more or less preferred Rei. The fact that Rei was an overall better person who did more good than bad may have made that outcome obvious, but Anno was not pleased.

>I wish they would die. Even if I'm the same as them, I wish they would die.
- Anno, commenting on a group of Rei fans cheering for their heroine.

He went on to attack Japan for preferring Rei over Asuka in a variety of interviews, and the Rebuild series are only correctly interpreted when taking this history into account. It is in it's essence, his revenge or soulless attempt to twist the franchise to favor his waifu Asuka better.

Evangelion is, and has been for the past twenty years, a joke.

I don't think you do, really, but that's alright

Whatever you say.

perfect blue was clearly a big part of black swan's dna but calling some of those shots themselves ripoffs is kind of retarded

Get the fuck back to Sup Forums, weebscum

two new victims of the dullest pasta of the history of pasta franchises. Seriously each episode following etc etc....

But on the fact that Evangelion is a joke :
Anno is just out of ideas since he wrote EoE but he still believes he has something to tell with Evangelion.
He's obsessively focused on the otakus watching his stuff because he rages that they, in his mind, use it as an escapist fantasy when in his opinion he designed it as the ultimate anti-escapism fantasy.
He simply doesn't care or even know about the thousands and probably millions of people who watched Eva as nothign more than a regular movie, serie or any kind of piece of art, enjoyed it and even were able to grasp part of its message.
Evangelion is not a joke, it's a very honest piece of work, very well animated, pretty well written, pretty well paced, and overall very enjoyable to watch even (and I would even say especially) if you are not into anime at all.
If the personnality of the creator or the fans make you angry to the point where you devaluate it as a joke, I really don't know what to say to you because everything I will say will just further trigger your autism.

What you wrote was 100% wrong. Please read and contrast it to the nonsense you wrote. We've established that he does, as a matter of fact, get emotionally invested on the response of the series, and even is prone to bouts of crying and depression even with the Rebuild series (his words).

tl;dr you live in a fantasy world

Agreed 100%

You're missing the point here retard. I think most will agree NGE(1995) and EoE(1997) were honest works with integrity, but unless you're stuck in the 90's, it's time to realize more than twenty years has passed since then. "Evangelion" now comprises a multi-million (billion?) dollar franchise made up of dozens of games, spinoffs, and new movies.

All of which lack that exact integrity and honesty you so praise it for.

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> contrast it to the nonsense you wrote
Please. You conclude that Evangelion is a joke because Anno is a manchild who has issues with his otaku fanbase. I reiterate this point but I add that regardless of his personnality, NGE is nothing but a joke for its technical qualities alone, and that the honesty of the story Anno told is also a main reason for which it's not a joke. Rebuild suck but they don't make NGE less good.
Does that make me live in a fucking fantasy world or do you just want to use buzzwords because I dared answer your post ?

This is so bullshit. If he hated otaku watching his anime for escapist bullshit, how come he publicly says he's done with that stuff, and says he's "in the service industry" and wants to make works for "entertainment only" now?

How come everything he's ever made is made PRECISELY for the same, autistic retards such as yourself? Rebuild is PURE escapism made to foster escapist fantasy.

Check yourself.

And you miss the point that I wasn't talking about the franchise but about NGE, sorry for not having made that clear enough for you retard.

You're just shifting the topic to defend your old man waifu director. Pathetic, retard. Dont' you think we see through your bullshit?

Because he changed his mind between EoE and Rebuild ? Because he went from a fucking nobody in the industry to the man who had created one of the most successful franchises ever and he was only starting to reap the first bucks off of it ?
He told repeatedly that NGE WAS about otaku lifestyle, was about escapism and providing a dark counterpoint to it, by showing that if taken seriously, an escapist fantasy about teenagers piloting robots is actually a dark depressing story about child soldiers, and though these characters, show that the best course of life was not tho hide and run away from the real world and social interactions but to face them and learn to enjoy their ups and downs.
I don't know how dense you have to be to ignore this.
The fact that Rebuild are a soulless version of this story doesn't change anything about NGE's original point.

>Does that make me live in a fucking fantasy world or do you just want to use buzzwords because I dared answer your post ?

More or less. For one, the quality of single television series called NGE is not up for debate here. Bringing it up makes no point. You fail to reallize (or avoid) that "Evangelion" means more than NGE. Which is the exact basis of the previous discussion, and my comment. It's a huge franchise now, and it's this development since the 90's we're debating.

What you're doing is ultimately just defending Anno, for all the wrong reasons. You claim he doesn't care, yet he has shown on multiple occasions that he does.

Again, contrast your comments (not on NGE) here: with some of the comments here: Anno doesn't just have a "problem with some of his fans", he's let that problem dictate his entire Evangelion career ever since NGE and EoE ended. So yes, Hideaki Anno has turned Evangelion into one giant joke. It has gone from criticizing escapism through well made, honest characters and storylines to being it's prime enabler. It's like he went from criticizing crystal meth and then selling it on the corner. So yeah, Evangelion IS a joke.

Why would anyone want to escape to the NGE universe

That place sucked for humanity

Also, wanting to be apart of the orange tang is bullshit

It DOES change everything. We're talking about Evangelion. Not NGE or EoE in particular. We're not in the nineties any more, we're in 2017 and it's soon 2018 already. Evangelion moved on. You apparently, didn't.

You can't freeze Anno in time where he was this honest director full of integrity. That time is long past.

How fucking illetrerate do you have to be to make this point ? I repeatedly told that Anno is probably a fucking manchild but the point is that I don't give a fuck about him, I give a fuck about the stuff he writes and directs.
Anno is an ass and a probably somewhat of an idiot, that doesn't change the fact that NGE is fucking good.
Céline was a fucking traitor to my country, a collaborator, and an asshole but Voyage au bout de la nuit is still my favorite novel. Same thing here. Be able to fucking separate the personality, life and acts of an author and his work.

This makes more sense, I think this post is the most correct in this thread

t. This poster

what the fuck are you even on about

Evangelion, retard.

> he's let that problem dictate his entire Evangelion career ever since NGE and EoE ended
YES THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT YOU GODDAMN CONTRARIAN
But once again the fact that he turned the Evangelion franchise into a joke (but I think we had Evangelion doritos or instant noodles even before Rebuild) doesn't diminish any of NGE merits, it doesn't diminish its message, and it certainly doesn't turn it into some kind of joke.

>How fucking illetrerate do you have to be to make this point ? I repeatedly told that Anno is probably a fucking manchild

uh uh, no no. He IS a fucking manchild. Get that through your head.

>I give a fuck about the stuff he writes and directs.
...which is utter garbage ever since EoE ended because of the previously mentioned point.

>Be able to fucking separate the personality, life and acts of an author and his work.
...you must then realize that Anno's current work, the Rebuilds, are inseparable from him as an author. In fact, they are the reason they exist, and the reason for why they play out the way they do.

His new EVA work and his choice in direction for REMAKING (not writing original novels, like your example author does) Evangelion, is inherently based on Anno as a person.

I know. It is so dumb.

The answer is clearly Rei.

>it doesn't diminish its message, and it certainly doesn't turn it into some kind of joke.
Hm. Some would argue that these are synonymous.

>95% of japs have seen evangelion
almost all of them ive mentioned it to have only heard of it, never seen it. even one of them who liked anime a lot.

Merchandising is different from creating new artistic works selling itself as EVA. The merchandising is a by-product, the Rebuilds (or any of the other spinoffs) ARE the product.

So while you can say NGE is still good, the facts are that Evangelion (the franchise) has been turned into a joke that spits in the face of the original. This happened because, and note the irony here, Anno being unable to accept that people liked Rei over his favorite character.

Objectively false, as Asuka is best girl

This man gets it.

She isn't, and never will be. That's the point of Evangelion regardless of how you twist it.

Does anyone want to talk about the movie? I just finished it.

I'll credit it as being a movie that held my interest and kept my intrigued all the way til the end.

I got the main gist of it, but some of the allegory doesn't fit or match up. I think too much of it is open to interpretation. I feel like if Aronofsky was more concrete in what exactly he believed and wanted to convey to the viewer, it would have been a better cinematic experience.

Or am I just pleb?

>Rosemarys Baby poster.
literally a red ocean, anonare you retarded?

Which movie, mother! or EoE?

> [...] is inherently based on Anno as a person.
Yes. But the point is that Voyage au bout de la nuit is a romanticized autobiography. Even in these cases, where knowing about the author reinforces your enjoyment or disgust towards his work, you still must be able to recognize his work as independent from him. Because whatever it's about, even when it's so deeply about themselves, they never expect the average viewer to know about their personal lives.
So they are always separable as works of "art" from their author.
What isn't separable from the author are the reasons Rebuild (or anything else) were made. But in having an honest opinion about them as movies alone, it shouldn't matter. They still suck balls this way mind you. But if they were good I wouldn't let their status as soulless cashgrab stop me from enjoying them.
Too bad they're not even passable.

Which gets us to where we are today.

The Rebuild series are, in their current and very likely future form, "unpassable". They are so riddled with poor directing choices, meaningless character portrayals and plot holes that they can not ever work as a singular, coherent story on their own.

Fundamentally, they are not their own story either, seeing as unlike NGE or your novel, they are remakes. They are fundamentally unoriginal. NGE was also arguably autobiographical, but they could also stand on their own. With the Rebuilds, or in truth - mostly the third - they cannot be understood or interpreted WITHOUT understanding them in the light of the author. They have no meaning of their own, they only make sense or have meaning in the context of it's author.

Why did he choose to revisit Evangelion, why were these parts changed, but not these parts, and so on - to answer these questions, and to answer the question of "what the Rebuild series is", pointing out the fact that they are a joke is necessary.

The very root source of all this misery and otaku escapism, is in fact Anno's own otaku escapism, and what we'd call "Asukafag otaku butthurt".

You mean Anno being unable to accept that SOME people liked Rei over his favorite character (and in his mind it's like a new holocaust)
Asuka has always been more popular

Not just some, practically everybody. Asuka has, and arguably still isn't more popular than Rei, except in nerd circles and otaku fandom.

This

Are you sure about that ? Isn't Asuka merchandise way more popular than Rei's ? I thought I read something about that in a previous thread

>he doesn't know
Back when NGE released, it was as if Asuka didn't exist. Rei topped all the popularity charts, sold the most figures, and has so many references and clones it's hard to count.

That has changed a bit recently, because Anno has been constantly re-releasing the characters where Asuka gets better and Rei gets worse - simply explained.

>Back when NGE released, it was as if Asuka didn't exist. Rei topped all the popularity charts, sold the most figures, and has so many references and clones it's hard to count.
Interesting, didn't knew about that. Was it like this in Japan only or in the West as well ?

Well, Shikinami merchandise maybe? With the Rebuilds, Anno rewrote Asuka and changed her entire character into a "positive, strong willed tsundere" without any of the crippling emotional issues of the original. He also rewrote Rei into being a 100% waifu doll with none of the accolades or strong points of the original, and sort of shamed everyone for liking the character, including the main character where the world is more or less destroyed because of his attraction to Rei. It's not very subtle at all.

Not only that, Anno actually made ANOTHER Rei, the "black" one from the third Rebuild which is simply put, a doll. In the meantime Asuka gets super-powers and eternal youth. So with so many Reis running around there is no one "Rei" for fans to like, only various shades vs. the one strong focus point of Asuka. Since Rei has no agency or story, but Asuka has fanservice, the new fans are flocking to Asuka. Rei is just hopeless.

So the "black Rei" doesn't sell any merchandise at all, but Shikinami is the most popular Asuka there has ever been. It's been like this for more than a decade now.

Largely, although much in Japan, the otaku circles in the west have a tendency for preferring Asuka in order to emulate their lord and savior: Anno.

...

He owns the rights for a live action adaptation and for what we know it might be already expired, Requiem fro a Dream came out 17 years ago.

>All of which lack that exact integrity and honesty you so praise it for.
Who gives a shit? Everything aside from the original series and EoE is a soulless cashgrab.

But the tang is heaven

They're worse than soulless cashgrabs - they're intentional sabotage of the original story.

>it’s a redditors and twitter fags pretend they are better than anime episode.
>while posting on an anime imageboard.
this containment board is too much sometimes