Mother!

Why did this film receive so much hate? I hate every single film Jennifer Lawrence has ever been in, but this kept my interest.

Was it deep? No, not really. But I'd rather watch this over another fucking Star Wars or Marvel movie.

What is this movie about?

I kinda want to watch but seems dumb and pretentious

Because it was the dumbest fucking movie I've ever seen. The cinematic equivalent of watching Aronofsky jerk off into the camera for 2 hours.

I thought it was pretty great. But I'm not a fan of the Saw movies or Hostel or other sadistic movies. This was different somehow

Normies don't approve of baby eating.

Because people thought it was gonna be kino, but it turned out to be a self indulgent yank fest of community college English Lit 101-level religious allegory.

Husband and wife are in a house, visitors come, then more visitors, then more, and it becomes more nightmarish and crazy and they start destroying the house.

It's a religious allegory, which is admittedly pretty pretentious. It's not open to interpretation, there is only one interpretation of the story, and that's it. But I don't think it hinders the story. I'd rather watch a film that's some pretentious biblical allegory than yet another movie about revenge or saving the world with friendship again.

Jennifer Lawrence literally said she was going to take a break from acting and rethink her career after this movie-- it's not that bad. It isn't bad at all. Maybe Americans just hate religious films.

I was a huge fan of the escalation and how ridiculous things got. The second half is much stronger than the first.

So it was dumb because it was surreal? It was dumb because it was thematically religious? It was dumb because JLaw couldn't kick the characters out of the house herself? Help me out here.

It was still more creative than most movies that get made. The Emoji Movie, The Justice League, Wonder Woman, and War for the Planet of the Apes came out this year-- is a film where Javier Bardem has a rock that symbolizes the forbidden fruit really that bad?

>Maybe Americans just hate religious films.
Bruh the Passion of the Christ grossed over 600mil, and it wasn't even widely released.

It's an epic shitshow. Worth watching as a spectacle and a case study of Aronofsky's descent into madness

poor man's Rosemary's Baby

I think that might be an exception.

The Last Temptation of Christ, Silence, The Mission, The Messenger, they all flop or get really bad reviews.

It's an extremely well crafted film.
I have never seen the criticisms of it accompanied by someone saying that.
So I just can't take the criticisms seriously.
It's like this film triggers people who have bad taste already.

>So it was dumb because it was surreal? It was dumb because it was thematically religious? It was dumb because JLaw couldn't kick the characters out of the house herself? Help me out here.
It was dumb because the whole central metaphor was about how Darren Aronofsky is God ("The Creator") and the masses will take and take until they've taken everything (guess he didn't like the critical response to Noah) and his muse's suffering is irrelevant because its necessary for his creation. (How the fuck did Jennifer Lawrence read this script and think "I should date this man"?) Worst of all, though, it's so intensely pleased with its retarded obvious metaphors that it pounds you over the head with for the entire runtime. I found it exhausting and unpleasant. I'm honestly a fan of most of Aronofsky's prior work, but this was a disaster. Lawrence was good at least, I guess.

Oh okay. I understand.

Yeah, I had that same feeling when I saw Lady in the Water. Shamalan had a cameo where he played a famous writer who "would one day change the world." And it felt like such a massive ego stoke it was really off putting.

I didn't get that from Mother. I see what you mean, but Bardem was more a metaphor for God and his work for The Bible, so I didn't see it as Aronofsky fellating himself. Honestly, I think Aronofsky's desk is more pretentious than this movie:
>Aronofsky writes his films on the second floor of his place in Manhattan’s East Village, at a custom-built desk of Bastogne walnut, inlaid with responsibly harvested macassar ebony and pink ivory. Twenty-five puzzles are concealed within it, cunning locks and springs and slides, and the front houses an octave of organ pipes you can play by sliding drawers in and out. As you solve the puzzles, you find hidden pieces of wood, each of which displays a few musical notes. When you put the pieces in order and play the resulting tune on the organ—an Irving Berlin song that was the first thing Aronofsky learned on the piano—it opens a secret safe: the final prize. It took him six weeks to pop the safe, and he had the plans. David Blaine told me, “The desk is a very cool thing that’s a lot like Darren himself—there’s always another twist and turn.”

It was advertised as some kind of horror film which it wasn't, and they tried to sell it to general audiences when it was really more of a niche audience film. Plus people really hate Jennifer Lawrence, which I think is a fair excuse for hating this movie given that they used her face and name (and butthole) to sell it. Even if you ignore all that, it's still only a good movie at best. It isn't kino, and certainly isn't as deep as it thinks it is.

>Bardem was more a metaphor for God and his work for The Bible
It can be both. Aronofsky was pushing the interpretation in interviews that its an environmental allegory, which also works, but not well enough for me to overlook how painfully masturbatory it all felt.

>its retarded obvious metaphors
they weren't very obvious based on how confused general audiences were with the movie

>But I'd rather watch this over another fucking Star Wars or Marvel movie.
how is this an argument?

According to the Bible, before God created Man, there was Paradise. Lawrence is Gaia, or Mother Earth, defending the living, breathing organism she has built into a perfect home. She can’t handle or fully understand why people are being so disrespectful. Her husband in the film is God, who out of boredom creates Adam (Ed Harris) and Eve (a mischievous Michelle Pfeiffer); they invade her pristine world and the artist’s study (the Garden of Eden), which holds God’s perfect crystal (the apple). Their dueling children are Cain and Abel. And they bring in worshippers who feed God’s need for adulation (in the Old Testament, if don’t pray, you die). The worshippers keep sitting on Mother’s unsupported sink, eventually causing the pipes to burst into the Great Flood. God impregnates Mother, who gives birth to the Messiah, who is followed by an increasingly chaotic communion and Revelations.

That's it.

>how painfully masturbatory it all felt.
If anything, it is also about the selfishness of the artist. In the ways that Bardem is Aronofsky, it is highly derogatory.

Jennifer Lawrence's preformance is extremely good. It ultimately doesn't matter what it's about. Audiences didn't like it for one of two reasons, they where triggered by the violence against J Law & her child, or, they were upset by an original film. It was jarring to watch something that is actually different to what we normally see, for many people.

Ultimately it's an extremely well crafted, visceral, highly entertaining film. What is means or what it's about is so secondary.

do you actually see her butthole in this movie?

No, but you do briefly see her tits.

because it's more blatant in it's theme than man of steel

>Audiences didn't like it for one of two reasons, they where triggered by the violence against J Law & her child, or, they were upset by an original film. It was jarring to watch something that is actually different to what we normally see, for many people.
this. Soyboys and brainlets
>it's
brainlet

People thought it was a movie like Saw and other torture porn garbage. That's it.

Also i love jenniffer lawrence tits and asshole.

>I don't understand why everyone else doesn't have the same opinion as I do

I really want to take that clip of JLaw getting punched in the face and turn it into a webm.

>"How's Angel?"
>"Tainted."
>"Check the goyim."

Anybody remember this little exchange in the last act by the Israeli looking slavers? What did they mean by this?

It's too in your face with the Bible stuff

I want to understand WHY people have a different opinion.

That's why we have discussions. Maybe I can learn something from someone elses' perspective-- maybe the other perspective is just "ugh, I can't even."

Some people just watch movies to relax and have some fun or get scared with dumb movies

Yeah, I understand that.

And I disregard people's opinions who just want to relax and watch dumb movies. And if those are the people who are responsible for the horrible reception this film had, then mystery solved.

It's a film that is too surreal for audiences, despite having a clear allegory. People criticize the allegory for being simplistic, but I think it's the unconventional film that bothers them more than what it's 'about'. I think someone with good taste in film, and no knowledge of the christian mythos would enjoy it a lot.

It's also just people getting triggered by the violence in it, probably not on here though.

On here, it's that.
In general, it's the violence against Jlaw and babby jesus