-after all tension build up between Rey and Luke in TFA, Luke just throws the lightsaber away in a funny way behind his back. Out of character
-Because the writers didn't know how to get rid of snoke's ship and how to save Finn and China from Snoke's troops, they come up with the idea that you can lightspeed into a giant ship and destroy it. This is a huge problem, why nobody ever done that in previous movies? If this was a thing they would have kamikaze ships.
-Rey is a nobody, but she still is the greatest Jedi of all time without any training. Nothing makes sense anymore, such as why she knew how to fly Han's ship in TFA or why she is has the force or why she can connect with Kylo.
-Leia's superman flying scene
-Luke dies for no reason. What killer Luke? Did he die because making a ghost luke took all his energy? Why did he become a ghost himself? One of the most anticlimactic deaths of all time.
-The Casino subplot did not move the story forward.
-Rey doesn't give a single fuck about Finn anymore, they just hug and never talk, their chemistry is just dead for no reason.
-A pointless scene with kylo ren being shirtless and ren mentioning his body.
can we at least agree that the cruiser crashing into snokes ship at lightspeed was fucking sick
Jose Barnes
its almost like Rian made this movie just to fuck up what JarJar Abrams building to
Michael Jones
yes it looked cool but it is plot convenient writing that creates many plotholes throughout every star wars movie.
Such idea is too powerful, they could have just smashed one ship into the death star in every movie
Tyler Mitchell
seriously what killed Luke?
Jacob Jackson
>What killer Luke? Did he die because making a ghost luke took all his energy? Why did he become a ghost himself? One of the most anticlimactic deaths of all time. He doesn't know the real Luke was hiding behind like 5 layers of force ghost projections
Dominic Powell
>He doesn't know the real Luke was hiding behind like 5 layers of force ghost projections
WHAT LMAO then how did he milk those alines?!
Connor King
He had a few lines in there that diss the prequels too... hell, this undoes the OT too.
Rian single-handedly backhand slapped the PT, the OT, and TFA. Bravo.
Isaiah Ramirez
>DUDE LETS JUST DESTROY THEIR ENTIRE FLEET BY CRASHING A SHIP INTO IT This sounds like it was written by a fucking child. Oh and no fan of star wars would write this. Was it written by a female? this is absolutely fucking terrible.
Jordan Clark
>Star wars suddenly tries realism yeah, because a fucking stone at lightspeed would've blown up the death star, lightspeed is a retarded concept and if you ever integrate it into a story, god forbid you apply realtime physics into it. Rian is a hack.
Noah Perry
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David Cruz
Link for watching TLJ????
Mason Jackson
kill yourself, faggot
Eli Lewis
>after all tension build up between Rey and Luke in TFA, Luke just throws the lightsaber away in a funny way behind his back. Out of character Did you watch the movie? He wants Rey to just leave without bothering him. The last thing he wants is to train force users. >Because the writers didn't know how to get rid of snoke's ship and how to save Finn and China from Snoke's troops, they come up with the idea that you can lightspeed into a giant ship and destroy it. This is a huge problem, why nobody ever done that in previous movies? If this was a thing they would have kamikaze ships. True >Rey is a nobody, but she still is the greatest Jedi of all time without any training. Nothing makes sense anymore, such as why she knew how to fly Han's ship in TFA or why she is has the force or why she can connect with Kylo. She isn't the greatest jedi of all time and the force doesn't go only in bloodlines. She also doesn't connect to Kylo, that was done by Snoke. >Leia's superman flying scene No defence for this >Luke dies for no reason. He doesn't. He says at the start of the movie he came to the island to die and that's what he did. He also let the rebels escape before dying- >What killed Luke? Did he die because making a ghost luke took all his energy? Why did he become a ghost himself? One of the most anticlimactic deaths of all time. See Yoda's death in the OT. >The Casino subplot did not move the story forward. True >Rey doesn't give a single fuck about Finn anymore, they just hug and never talk, their chemistry is just dead for no reason. Rey and Finn only meet at the end of the movie. Not much room to talk like that. >A pointless scene with kylo ren being shirtless and ren mentioning his body. It's to make the audience doubt whether she will join or not later in the movie. >forcing Yoda into the movie for "muh fans" I guess, but the scene itself was decent so I didn't mind
Nicholas Stewart
you forgot the fact that Yoda's ghost can manipulate the physical world, meaning he could just keep existing and is therefore not really dead and also means all the other dead characters can now just come back
Colton Howard
I think Luke's death happened due to him "serving his purpose", kind of flimsy I know but it actually helps explain why Obi-Wan just vanished as well. Like some "Jedi path"
Zachary Nguyen
If Luke went there to die and didn't want to be bothered, why did he leave a map?
Wyatt Richardson
You forgot about the hour and a half spaceship chase scene that made no fucking sense at all
Zachary Peterson
>why she is has the force or why she can connect with Kylo.
Snoke clearly said he did that as bait
Aiden Nelson
Yeah I'm pretty sure running out of fuel isn't how ships work in star wars.
Wyatt Hughes
THE FORCE IS FEMALE1
Leo Turner
The map led to the first Jedi temple, not Luke you retard
Joseph Perez
Luke still decided to leave the missing piece behind. Why?
Jaxson Allen
or that the FO could just light jump in front of them or to cacth up or you know just send out tie fighters, they were RIGHT FUCKING THERE jesus christ.
Kevin Martinez
It's literally said in TFA Luke is the one who left the map behind. Why wouldn't he just destroy the map if he wanted to be left alone to die?
Leo Roberts
Why the biggest ship in the galaxy didnt own interdictors gravity projectors? Why didnt snoke shiw any power at all Why did they changed the knights of ren for emperor guards?
Chase Bailey
Luke had nothing to do with the map
Caleb Gray
how is it getting such positive reviews? i dont get it
is it like the zelda of movies? despite obvious flaws people are too scared to say anything bad?
Colton Garcia
>why she can connect with Kylo. Snoke said he was connecting their minds.
Christopher White
Was there a single non-white person in the casino scene, aside from aliens?
Luke Peterson
Rey, did I ever tell you about the time I could make force hologram of myself that was also physical somehow and I fought my nephew Ben Solo but he killed my projection which killed me somehow, or maybe I just gave up and faded away, it didn't make much sense. Also Yoda's ghost destroyed all the ancient Jedi knowledge, see ya kid.
Jason Rogers
She could have at least yelled the Force Ackbar
Ayden Jenkins
I have no fucking clue, it's got so many glaringly obvious problems that I've spent the last 8 hours getting progressively more mad. Maybe the SJW points from Rose kissing Finn swung it?
Lucas Ramirez
>Luke wanted to die Yet left a map >See Yoda in the OT Yoda was old as fuck >Force doesn’t go through bloodlines So why not use these movies to give her an interesting backstory rather than tease a lineage that didn’t matter? Also it’s all well and good saying she isn’t the greatest jedi ever but when Yoda says she doesn’t even need training and she gets the upper hand on Luke and for the 2nd time on Kylo, it’s bad writing. Luke didn’t even come close to beating Vader til ROTJ and Rey has beaten Kylo twice. >Yoda Scene >Decent Yoda looked like shit, he’s suddenly going back on his training with Luke telling him to leave Rey be cuz she’s 2strong4training >excusing Rian’s bad writing that completely negates the Finn-Rey dynamic of TFW Gee it’s almost like it was really weird to see two characters who were good friends in one movie suddenly never discuss one another. She talked to Poe in this movie more than Finn. Finn suddenly ditched her for Rose.
Justin Jones
Its called a "map to Luke skywalker." in TFA like 5 times.
Dylan Howard
>you can lightspeed into a giant ship and destroy it Wait, does this really happen? I thought star wars "lightspeed" wasn't just ships moving supercrazyfast, but rather ships getting bumped into a hyperspace dimension where they go prettyfast and travel distances are much shorter. Who decided to let Rian write a star wars movie? He was clearly completely unprepared for this.
Kayden James
>-Luke dies for no reason. >What killer Luke? Did he die because making a ghost luke took all his energy? Why did he become a ghost himself? One of the most anticlimactic deaths of all time.
Ok so I didnt like the movie at all. But I think I've got a solid explanation for this one. We saw previously during the movie when kylo and rey talk together via "force skype" that kylo his wet after talking with rey who was under the rain. So It really make me think that even if its a spiritual travel , the body is affected. So I do think that by getting sliced by kylo saber and all AT AT blasters , luke body was affected and he couldnt survive anymore.
Leo Peterson
same thing that killed Yoda
Thomas Kelly
Because that's the function it serves in the story, but it's not literally a map showing Luke's location. Are you really this dense?
Justin Hughes
>Maybe the SJW points from Rose kissing Finn swung it? Most of the SJWs are mad about though because the ape isnt kissing the white girl
Easton Thomas
Why are you so obsessed with the races of human characters in a universe with actual space aliens? This goes both ways, not just for the sake of including blacks and gooks.
Christian Stewart
Proofs? Because the dialogue in TFA begs to differ. Also if he wanted to lead people to the temple and not himself, why did he choose to stay there?
Anthony Diaz
It matters when they take multiple opportunities to point out that the people there are the worst in the galaxy
Ryder Nelson
Show me the piece of dialogue that proves me wrong
Christian Ortiz
And why do you assume them being the worst has anything to do with their race or species and not what they've personally done?
also, nobody mentioned Kylo's lines after killing Snoke:
"The Supreme Leader is dead, long live the Supreme Leader"
Jesus Fucking Christ...
Colton Carter
Why would they send out tie fighters to an unpractical amount of distance when they could wait a couple hours without suffering any losses instead?
The force ghost wasn't physical. Watch the movie instead of reading Sup Forums faggot.
>Yet left a map Luke didn't leave the map. It was a map to the first jedi temple. >Yoda was old as fuck Then see Obi-Wan in the OT. He was about the same age as Luke in the film. >So why not use these movies to give her an interesting backstory rather than tease a lineage that didn’t matter? How the lineage was used in the movie was just more motivation for her to join Kylo. I assume they'll do something more with it in the 3rd one. I'm probably kind of biased, since I disliked the theory of her being a Skywalker in the first place. >Yoda says she doesn’t even need training But he doesn't. He clearly tells Luke to pass on his knowledge to Rey. >gets the upper hand on Luke and for the 2nd time on Kylo She didn't get the upper hand on Luke. Luke disarmed her and she grabbed a lightsaber, which Luke obviously can't fight against. She doesn't get the upper hand on Kylo this time either, they are shown as being equal in power when fighting for the lightsaber. >Yoda looked like shit Yeah, he did look like shit.
Luke Butler
Pretty sure if you want to nitpick the concept was always there since Han said that they have to plot the jump carefully or they would crash into a star or something
Josiah Jones
>-Because the writers didn't know how to get rid of snoke's ship and how to save Finn and China from Snoke's troops, they come up with the idea that you can lightspeed into a giant ship and destroy it. This is a huge problem, why nobody ever done that in previous movies? If this was a thing they would have kamikaze ships.
All you would need to do is to attach warp drives to asteroids and then you have super missles that can take out entire planets and fleets. The solution would be to:
1. Never mention this possibility. This way we just ignore it for the sake of narrative and assume some reason why it's not possible.
2. Come up with some explaniation why it can't happen.
Aiden Gonzalez
>defending the worst star wars movie this rabidly Go fuck yourself.
Austin Perry
When life hands you lemons, Bypass the capacitor, ya dangus
Joshua Robinson
lol Lion King reference?
Alexander Wilson
>lightspeed instantly destroys everything >this means that they could have at any time just had droids pilot hyperspace ships into fleets to destroy them >same with the Death Star
>Force ghosts can affect the real world >this solves every possible problem in the history of Star Wars
>YinYang Force "balance" >regardless of what Yoda directly stated in ESB
These are midichlorians tier.
Jace Cooper
Show me the part where luke denies any knowledge or involvement with a map that leads to him
Joseph Ramirez
>their chemistry is just dead for no reason. no, there's a reason there is no chemistry he's an ape
Kevin Rivera
Hux said "long live the Supreme Leader" not Kylo
Because Kylo was going to murder him if he didn't
Isaac Turner
That's not how it works buddy. I see you didn't manage to find anything lmao.
Jack Morgan
That made no sense to me. Ok, they were out of range and moveng at equal spees. But why did not FO ships went into hyperspace and end up in front of them? This bothers me so much, it leads to shoehorned Maz, and the worst subplot in the movie. It could have been done better.
Jonathan Allen
it's a phrase from 15th century France you pleb
Landon Phillips
>Why would they send out tie fighters To fucking kill them? why wouldnt they? I dont remember the reason from the movie but it was probably BS.
Jeremiah Myers
It would've been if not for retards in the audience asking "Is the sound broken" loudly.
Mason Morgan
>being this bad at watching a movie
Cameron Fisher
I thought passing a planetary shield at lightspeed was dumb enough but this hahahaha
Asher Peterson
>"serving his purpose" his purpose should have been to have an epic REAL battle with Kylo, not some hologram shit.
What purpose? He didn't even train Rey.
John James
Or its Disney jacking themselves off.
Adrian Allen
The movie is overall RotS tier. It's just that people who have clearly not even seen the movie think they can jump on the criticising bandwagon to fit in.
Hunter Miller
And then he died and they are still connected. He was lying.
John Johnson
Midichlorians aren't really so bad when you consider the Republic was a more civilized time and accept that the Jedi would actually research the Force. Nowhere in the prequels is it stated that the midichlorians ARE the Force.
Aaron Diaz
After Snoke is dead they connect minds again and she shuts the Falcon door in his face.
John Watson
what did po do in this film?
did he get many scenes?
Jose Wood
says the user using Reddit spacing
Isaiah Campbell
>his purpose should have been to have an epic REAL battle with Kylo, not some hologram shit.
They wanted to kill him off and having Kylo actually defeat him would be stupid so I guess it makes sense in that regard.
Henry Stewart
If a ship (or anything) could go to light speed and ram, it would blow the fuck out of whatever it hit. But that is how it works in our world.
What you describe is the canon version of star wars space travel. The ships dont travel faster than light, the distance between them shrink in hyper space
Jaxon Howard
>saying rots tier like it's good >they kill luke >further ruin the original trilogy You're a fucking idiot.
Grayson Turner
The original trilogy is unaffected by the existence of The Last Jedi.
David Price
Luke's finale is basically his version of Yoda laughing at the idea of warriors being great - he performs an incredible feat and attains a complete victory without taking a single hostile action
Carter Harris
>So I do think that by getting sliced by kylo saber and all AT AT blasters , luke body was affected
You know he sliced himself on purpose. If your theory is right, then why did he not just go there with his real body and get sliced for real by Luke? What was the point of projection if he would die anyway? Is he just too lazy to fly 15 minutes to that planet?
Jayden Fisher
You are right, because 7 and 8 arent star wars movies
>tfw still stand by the opinion that Guardians of the Galaxy is more of a Star Wars movie than The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi
Hunter Campbell
>rotj >everythnig ends perfectly with satisfying conclusions and happy endings >tfa and tlj >all the characters you loved hate each other everybody seems depressed and luke and han meet terrible endings It completely ruins the original trilogy.
William Long
Last time I came here was when ep7 came out and that was to get some reassurance that TFA was indeed shit but it turned out you guys liked it. Not that I'm disappointed in the change of stance but what happened?
Ryder Rogers
He wins all battles by himself, but is reminded he could just run away on every single occasion
In the end hes taught to run away and not fight, despite destroying two biggest ships of the order with three ships in total
Blake Hughes
The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi change NOTHING about the original trilogy. You are capable of just ignoring the sequels, right?
Levi Garcia
>regardless of what Yoda directly stated in ESB what did he state?
Wyatt Robinson
>saying rots tier like it's good Learn to read. I was accused of defending the film rapidly, so I told that the film wasn't good in my opinion,
Ayden Bailey
Other undiscussed issues:
1. Shields of convenience. The dreadnaught in the first act had no shields to speak of, allowing the rebels to destroy it quickly BUT the rebel cruiser has nearly impenetrable rear shields and there was an entire plot dedicated to finding a way through the shields on Snokes ship. Either every capital ship has shields or none have them Disney - not fucking hard.
2. Ballistic arc effects on the lasers fired by the FO. What the fuck? They are lasers first of all, and second even if they were projectiles They are in space, not on or above a planet.
3. Planet-refuge of convienience. The rebels jumped away after destroying the dreadnaught to “the middle of nowhere”. Then later we find that there’s actually a planet nearby with an old stronghold on it. That planet was larger in their view screens than earth is when viewed from the moon. The rebel fleet jumped closer to a known habitable planet than our own own moon is to earth, and had the fucking gall to state “WOW WE REALLY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF FUCKING NOWHERE! COMMENCE THE SEARCH FOR A SUITABLE PLANET!”
Rian is a fucking hack.
Nathaniel Watson
Pure autism. Stick to legos my child.
Brody Parker
They destroyed Luke's character, the movie has too many action scenes, Snoke is literally no one and fucking dies easily, the overall plot didn't move forward much.
Brandon Ross
Yes the original trilogy still exists for people to watch and is unaffected in that way, but you can't honestly tell me 7 and 8 do not affect the story told in the original trilogy.
Jayden Campbell
What about the scene where Luke tries to kill Kylo for feeling the Dark Side inside him even after all that shit he went through to save Vader from the Dark Side?
And then Jew Jew Binks will make the last movie to fuck up his movie, complete with plenty of unsolved mysteries to be used as sequel bait. Because God hates us.
Luis Wilson
>just pretend it's not part of the story Sure if you're autistic.
Chase Anderson
You cant ignore the sequels. Whenever you watch 4,5,6 again they will be ruined because you know what comes after. The peaceful resolution in 6 is gone because you know there is still conflict Search your feelings, Lord user. You will know it to be true.
Justin Fisher
>She isn't the greatest jedi of all time Yoda, the greatest Jedi master there ever was with +900 years of experience nearly shat himself to death lifting an X-Wing.
Rey lifts an entire fucking mountain range without breaking a sweat.