Unironically...

Unironically, a majority of criticism I’ve seen of this so far has been either “it didn’t give me what I wanted” or just rattling off a vague misinterpretation of the plot (like “w-why didn’t le pink gurl tell poe her plan?”)

Besides the effects in the Leia scene being downright trash, is this really just an example of a terrible audience? I mean, even Justice League has a higher audience score. Is it really just Star Wars fans being the worst? The answer is yes, and it’s hilarious that after two years of this board shitting on them they’re now taking their hatred of TLJ as serious criticism

Who would have figured that after 8 movies of x-wings, sith/jedi and star destroyers that people would get bored of it.

Did you watch the movie or read any of the criticism? The entire fallout is that TLJ shits on all of that dumbass shit and for that it nearly achieves greatness

Nah I mean there's a lot of cringy or otherwise really badly implemented stuff in the movie.

I didn't think I would walk out of it thinking Rey was one of the better actors but holy shit everything relating to The Resistance and Finn is absolutely bumfuck terrible.

The self-insert Asian and purple-haired Admiral cannot act worth a damn, have bland ass dialogue, and cause more trouble than they solve.

The whole forced "b-b-but WAR ECONOMY" bullshit was terrible

>shat all over one of the most beloved characters in film history
>gee why is everyone upset

If they hadn't turned Luke into a bizarro world seacow milk drinking pessimistic weak hermit then this would be just another disposable Star Wars sequel.

No? TLJ sucked so bad it made me realize all you're getting these days are fanservice movies, not 'new Star Wars movies'. Just the same shit, happening over and over again, forever and ever with as much ''''''''''cool action flick''''''''' shit they can pump in to appease whatever fanboys still follow this dreck.

>a majority of criticism I’ve seen of this so far has been either “it didn’t give me what I wanted
I've seen this exact excuse used all over Sup Forums, review comment sections, and reddit. Did Disney give you guys some kind of script to use to respond to the hate?

You unironically did not watch the movie. It shits on the entirety of Star Wars, the movie literally begins with Luke throwing the lightsaber out. That’s why everyone hates it. This entire board is whining about m-muh legacy

I guarantee you that Disney does not need to AstroTurf or pay reviewers to get people to watch Star Wars

Why can't people just accept the fans don't like the movie? You're never going to convince them to like it, so why bother?

>why isn't my waifu character perfect
Imagine being the very person OP was complaining about

It's an example of a terrible movie that Soy Boys pretend to like because a Nigger and a Gook make out in it.

>“it didn’t give me what I wanted”
I mean I just want a good film, is that too much to ask?

nice numbers numskull wish they went to a better post
If you can’t meet the movie halfway that’s your fault

>literally begins with Luke throwing the lightsaber out

Not enough people bitching about this. I get it, Luke has changed. But that seemed completely out of character for him.

Also, couldn't we have had at least ONE character that kept their story progression from the OT? Instead everyone's lives went to shit.

>You unironically did not watch the movie

Oh really what was your first clue, me saying I didn't watch the movie? Wow good deduction skills Sherlock you sure figured me out.

Alright explain what's new in this movie. I'll wait.

>If you can’t meet the movie halfway that’s your fault

> Defending this hard

No one involved understood why Star Wars is loved. Fucking LUCAS understood it better.

>Luke being a dramatic bitch is completely out of character
This is the biggest issue with sequel baggage, 40 years of projecting video games and comic books onto a character who spends almost 3 movies being an extra little bitch

It's the movie's job to convince me to like it, not mine. I'm the one watching it instead if watching something else. Gicen an opinion, I would have rather rewatched Revenge of the Sith, than watched TLJ with the foreknowledge of how awful it'd be. At least RotS was entertaining all the way through, and had some legitimately great and memorable scenes. TLJ was just a waste of my time.

Nice try Mr. Shill.

Wrong. They understood much more than you do why Star Wars was loved. The movie is like a massive thematic retcon to the first two movies where dumb shit like prophecy, destiny, and m-muh family bloodline meant nothing

>The self-insert Asian
Do you even know what a self insert is?

>terrible pacing
>plot holes and characters not explained (snoke)
>quips everywhere
>some more reboot/rehash like not hoth battle and not ROTJ throne room sequence
Your shit is shit, disney shill, there's nothing you can do about it.

Does it really matter if a Star Wars movie is even bad anymore?

All 3 prequels were fucking awful and they still made money hand over fist. It doesn't do anything.

Rebels > Rogue One > Force Awakens > The Last Jedi

seriously just let Dave Filioni make a movie at this point jesus christ.
That neckbeard cowboy hat wearing mother fucker would destroy the new movies.

oh and terrible acting again from that Hux guy, terribly cringy

>I have drawn conclusions for episode IX based on TLJ
>new death star will be a Dyson Sphere
>Kylo Ren is like the grim reaper. He reaps the souls of force users
>new lightsaber is the scythe
>at the store I notice some of the helmetless kylo rens are missing a tooth
>there is a connection with Poe
>Snoke is guarded by two former jedi knights of yore
>Leia, Kylo's mother's ship is like a hearse
>gets blown up before they can make a leap to hyperspace
>put it all together

>REAP LIGHT TOOTH IS POE STORE YORE MOTHER DYSON HEARSE LEAP TWO KNIGHT

Things being left unexplained is not a plot hole. Snoke doesn’t matter. Just like Rey’s parents don’t matter. They don’t mean anything. The movie rejects the Star Wars “m-muh destiny, m-muh lineage” shit. Things being left unexplained aren’t plot holes either.

>quips
The entire original trilogy is just quips

It is completely out of character because Luke had fucking matured over the course of the original films. Jesus Christ you people are dense.

Honest question: can you give me an example in this movie that shows that love. Just one.

It's a space OPERA nigger. The tension in Star Wars is less about epic galaxy spanning stakes, and more about interpersonal drama within a FAMILY.

People who don't understanding this, never knew what Star Wars was really about.

nah this is dumb, you're dumb. It's a fucking tool not some uber special magical religious icon. You're projecting a ton of reverence and importance on an object that Luke doesn't have any reason to respect

I don't know if this is exclusive to Sup Forums but the freak out over an Asian and a black being together is down right hilarious. Like how stale does someone's life have to be to complain about this shit.

Unironically this

yo user you get it. Star wars isn't cool because of all the shit lucas crammed into the prequels, it's cool because it's a space opera with wizards who use laser swords. All these people whining about the legacy of star wars are fucking stupid

>le family meme
Fuck off

>an object that Luke doesn't have any reason to respect
Except that it belongs to his father, aka: the man so redeemed himself by sacrificing his life to save the entire Galaxy.

Luke isn't such a piece of shit that he'd throw away something given to him right infront of the person giving it to him.

But hey! The audience laughed! Hahahaha that was so unexpected haha

yeah no, you know whats cool? Taking a fictional setting that spans fucking galaxies and confining it to one fucking family.
dumbass

>HURR NOTHING WRONG WITH IT

Other than an incredibly silly timeline that implies everything in the film happened in less than 24 hours, the fact Finn and Rose’s D-plot leads to nothing other than giving Finn an excuse to fight Phasma and have a random girl to dick (who’s character is dogshit, her sister was way more interesting with way less screentime), a new LGBT character who is killed off in the same movie and could have prevented several deaths had she just told people her plan, some completely asspulled new force powers that nobody has used until now for some reason, complete negations of the LAST MOVIE (C3PO with two gold arms, Kylo’s scar moved, First Order immediately on the attack again despite only just losing their superweapon and millions of men, Knights of Ren just disappear because), asspulled attempts at TWEESTS that just come across as shit attempts at making the film “edgy” (Killing Snoke, Luke and Phasma just cuz, made no impact on the rest of the story and felt like Disney just gutting all the OT stuff), Yoda’s sudden complete change of heart from ROTJ where he instructed Luke that he must pass on the jedi way and train as many new jedi as possible, as well as the character suddenly shitting on anything jedi or old because “LOL NOT EXACTLY PAGE TURNERS” and being fine with Rey being an artifact their, then completely going so far up its own ass it forgets things that happened in the SAME MOVIE (bridge blown up on resistance ship, suddenly fine the next second, Leia flies through space, nobody asks questions or even mentions it again, ENTIRE First Order is A-OK with Kylo taking over, R2D2 disappears for no reason) and Luke’s character suddenly changing and going backwards for plot convenience (same man who pardoned a war criminal responsible for the murder of trillions, including children, and who was balls deep in the dark side, suddenly nearly kills HIS OWN NEPHEW after sensing some dark in him)?

it's not an awful movie
it's not a good movie

it's a popcorn flick at most

even for star wars it had a little too much comedy, attempts at being snarky, and on the opposite site it tried too hard to be deep. The original trilogy followed a common theme about the struggle between light and dark, good and evil, father against son. This was trying to be something it's not.

It worked for 6 films.

oh my bad, its his fathers weapon of mass murder, yeah, right, he should totally revere that.

Look man, you're entitled to your opinion. But wouldn't you rather star wars move past nostalgia grabs like Vader's lightsaber and make new shit thats cool without the help of movies from the 70's?

Aye yo hole up. If a single cruiser jumping into hyper space is able to fuck up an entire fleet, why didn't the Resistance just autopilot a couple cruiser into the New Order's ships. Fucking better yet, why not strap a hyperdrive to an asteroid and hyperdrive that threw their ships... Why isn't such an obviously effective weapon being utilized? Shit, you don't even have to kamikaze anyone.

Literally fight scene in these movies are now a waste of time seeing as hyperdriving a small yacht, or some shit, directly into your enemy would have been a far superior means of attacking.

Star Wars fags are the most autistic fanbase in the history of film. They just want an adaptation of 'muh Revan' and don't actually see the films as films.

it gave me the same feeling tfa did, boredom

I didn't hate, but I also didn't enjoy it. The prequels are bad, but in a way I can derive enjoyment. NuStar Wars I'm just bored to watch, I feel apathy for almost everything going on. I don't care about the new characters, and all the old characters get sidelined or killed. Rey is very much a mary sue and it's impossible to ignore. Kylo is still a whiny bitch after they've filled in his backstory a bit. Snoke is a waste of a character. Finn/Poe/Rose feel so utterly pointless as characters, and their wimpy connection to the protagonist.

Basically it comes down to a b storyline filled with uninteresting characters where all it does is move a bunch of people from a ship base to a planet base, and the a storyline revolving around the mary sue perfect and the whiny emo hating everything.

Luke was just a crabby Yoda. Did everyone forget that Yoda was trolling the entirety of ESB?

>implying anything worked in the prequels
no, it worked for three films. The prequels are dogshit my guy, and a big part of that is because it decided to make the Skywalker family the center of the fucking galaxy

Just saw it. I went in wanting to hate it, and it was definitely bad during some parts. But it was overall better than TFA for sure.

Completely ruined Luke's character though, and Snoke looked really badass for the limited amount of scenes he was in. Wasted potential. Unlike TFA it did not leave me wanting more and felt more like the ending of a trilogy than the middle.

>how TFA was made

Also just to add, nothing was NEW in this movie

They just stole from ESB and ROTJ rather than just one, and anything new was an asspull that completely ignores the last 8 movies released

There’s a difference between something NEW and something that’s a retarded asspull so Rian Johnson can make his dream sci fi big budget movie that isn’t Star Wars

>t. soyboys who were never fans of the series to begin with

I'm glad to see the franchise die. I hate to see it ruined any further. There's no way to recover from TLJ no matter what you do with IX, so your efforts are meaningless. Tell the mouse that your attempts to astroturf the film are a failure. Antagonizing the fanbase is no way to get people to love your shitty trilogy.

Oh God, no
This may be far from the best Star Wars movie, but it was far better than TFA

>waste Mark Hamil
>Waste Andy Serkis
>Waste Finn/Poe Dynamic from first movie
>Movie begins after one hour of nonsense

I could go on and on user.

If this was a standalone film I wouldn't loathe it.

But it's a TRILOGY.

In a trilogy you expect

>Character arcs
>Plot progression
>World building

Where as it? Where was any of it? This is a NOTHING movie.

>Dude I can't wait til we learn more about Snork
Oh...

>Dude I can't wait til Luke kicks ASS like Vader did at the end of Rogue One.
Oh...

>I really hope they explain the state of the galaxy in the next movie, like, what exactly is the balance of power?
Oh...

>Well at least there will be major character development right?
Oh...

Despite all the explosions and wise cracking, NOTHING happened. From a plot/character/world building perspective TLJ might as well not even exist.

cool, take your shitty opinions with you when you go

Ackbar-piloted ship turns slowly toward Snokes ship. Captain slowly realizes what's about to happen. Officer says "What are they doing, sir??" Captain turns toward the incoming light-speed cruiser. "It's a trap."

BLAM!

Edit: thanks for the guild! I feel like I got double gilded now that my top comment is a Star Wars one!

People trying this hard to excuse abysmal writing lmao

The prequels are terribly boring.

>The prequels are bad, but in a way I can derive enjoyment
For maybe 10 minutes.

Yeah, dumbass. You mean making it relatable? It's bo wonder you fucks cant produce a decent film, you wouldn't know a good story if it smacked you in the face.

>The prequels are dogshit my guy

I don't disagree. However they have better stories than any of the post-disney films. Rogue One comes close though.

DURR HURR INFINITE POSSIBILITIES AND CONFINING IT ALL TO WHINY BITCH FROM TATOOINE AND HIS JESUS DAD IS GOOD STORY TELLING

jesus fuck man

also nice "you fucks", the spooky jew collective is coming to get you be afraiiiiidddd

>projecting video games and comic books onto a character who spends almost 3 movies being an extra little bitch

All you're doing is projecting yourself onto Luke.

To answer your question, yes, Sup Forums is a terrible audience. They had their minds made up a week before it even came out and won't listen to any other argument. No point in trying to have an actual conversation

I'd rather Star Wars be left alone after seeing Disney butcher it like it did, and then rape the lifeless corpse.

Tge original 6 films + EU were fine enough, we didn't need this shitty sequel trilogy.

>nothing happens

Well it did only take place in one day... And we only saw 2 new planets... And one was just salty Hoth... And the other we barely saw because despite hyping the casino planet, Finn and Rose spent most of their time there in jail

sick opinion, I loved how all the characters in rogue one were completely bland un-relatable un-interesting devices to move the plot instead of something not completely contrived and boring

>he doesn't know who Laura Dern is
I never thought I would say this meme unironically, but... you have to be 18 to post here

>but it was far better than TFA

Nope, TLJ is easily the worst of the two. TFA was largely inoffensive, while TLJ is pure rubbish to my sensory.

>what's the matter faggot? do you want your archetypal hero to act like an archetypal hero or something? huh? huh bitch?

Right? And it's the best of the sequels.

this as fuck
I forget that modern Sup Forums is a bunch of fucking weirdos who will hate something with a woman or non white dude in any prominent roll.
like seriously, you fucks would have hated empire when it came out because Lando was in it

This film is terrible. Get over it Disney shills.

Ah shit, I meant post-disney films. Gonna get lit up for that one.

>Is it really just Star Wars fans being the worst?
Now Disney employees are blaming fans. How desperate.

Butthurt minority womyn detected

implying the prequels and 90% of the eu was anything but garbage is a total meme

But Lando is a baddass?
Finn wishes he could be cucked in the same room as Lando

Yeah I guess the general movie-going audience that hates it are all Sup Forums alt-right Sup Forums boogiemen too right?

yeah, stay in your safe space douchebag

>when soyboi shills run out of material
I think I broke him guys.

>Is it really just Star Wars fans being the worst?

Make no mistake, this is the narrative being spun. "Nerds" are being portrayed as misogynistic whiny assholes by all the lib/dem entertainment blogs. Normies don't care about this stuff, but for some reason anyone with passion about a hobby has to be ridiculed. Usually using vague unclear terms like "gross" or "the worst".

was gonna light you up but I still think your almost objectively in the wrong
like
that movie was not good
force awakens was fine
stop tripping

...

hahaha, look at this jackass playing the victim card
i have no idea how this idea that the liberals are coming to get you and your hobbies became a thing
no one cares about you dude

"Creep"

SLOTH TITS

Things that are better in TLJ compared to TFA
Kylo Ren
Things that are worse in TLJ compared to TFA
everything else

You're so delusional its almost scary.

TFA lives on the fact that you're curious what happened to Luke.

Fine! I don't want people to care about me. Just stop ruining my stuff and insulting me!

For sure.

Oh fuck off.

>Everyone who hated or disliked it is a fan of the series

The entire plot of this movie is predicated on the coincidence that the one Resistance Ship and the multiple First Order Ships both move at the exact same top speed as to make sure that the First Order bullets don't pierce the Resistance Shield. This is the reality of the situation even though Snoke's immense power and wealth was able to produce the "impossible" tech to track through hyperspace, but apparently not enough to get a cannon that actually fucking works at a distance.

Nigger what hobby/fandom haven't SJW types ruined? You're fucking delusional.

>Usually using vague unclear terms like "gross" or "the worst"
You forgot about the old over used insults like "virgin" and "manchild".

What if, crazy idea, the other star destroyers hyperspaced out then came back in and surrounded the ship?

It's weird to me that no one is pointing this out. Was there dialogue that covered it?

Based Filoni, he even tried to make the Vong and Revan canon in clone wars

or that the story was a complete mess with half-assed barely progressing character, an older character being made into complete jokes, forced themes and jokes and the excuse is "lol we trolled you. This movie is super genius. Move on from the old into the new lol."

Manchild maybe, but I don't really see virgin used by the places I was talking about. It's faaaar more vague and un-specific. But yeah the terms suck regardless.

NO
THERE WASN'T
EVERYONE IN THE RESISTANCE EXCEPT HOLDO LEAVES ON DROPSHIPS. THEY CLOAK. HOLDO WATCHES AS 80% OF THEM GET PICKED OFF. SHE THEN DECIDES TO VERY SLOWLY TURN THE SHIP TOOOOOWARDS SNOKE SHIP, AND JUMP IT

No, this movie was objectively bad, and not even in a "Waaah, this guy isn't supposed to have this power" nerd way.

The entire Finn and Rose subplot has no purpose and the resolution is handed to the characters at every single scene.

Poe Dameron is arrested and then in the next scene does a coup.

It's garbage.

Pretty confusingly awful film. How did they manage to do something like this? I'm not a fuckin' fan of the series', either.

No you fucking shill, i didnt get any spoilers and when i saw the movie there were some parts so cringy that people literally said what the fuck in the cinema, like super leia lmao

I have come to the conclusion that TLJ is extreme pleb filter and may be my favorite Star Wars film of all time. (I'll have to see it again before I make that final)

Fans are very angry because it didnt follow the typical star wars formula like TFA did and thus "didnt give them what they wanted". If i had it my way Leia should have died too (that was my only major thing I disliked about the film). I really liked that they made Rey's parents irrelevant and killed off Snoke and Luke. All the stuff about captain phasma and snoke and who Rey's parents are were artificial fan hype from them wanting to theorize and predict things. I think a lot of the dislike is from none of these theories playing out. But if you arent a pleb you would realize from watching TFA that the answer to who Rey's parents was shown blatantly. She was no one.

>Fans are very angry because it didnt follow the typical star wars formula like TFA did and thus "didnt give them what they wanted".

This is a meme. Stop it.