/phg/ - plot hole general

Did Rian watch force awakens? Finn literally busts Poe out because he can't pilot himself

If phasma has laser proof armor why doesn't anyone else

Why did the hundreds of Stormtroopers around Finn and Rose die when the ship got hit but they were okay

Why doesn't everyone use light speed missiles

Why did Laura Dern stay behind don't they have droids or autopilot

Why don't Jedis astral project for spying or assassinations

If ghosts can still use the force why didn't ghost Yoda kill the emperor

Why did Poe call off the suicide run? Did he know the superweapon was only going to blow a 6 foot hole in the door?

Why have a ground based Canon why not put it on a fucking space ship and use it from orbit

Why can a giant metal door withstand a hit from a mini deathstar but ship armor can't handle even tiny lasers

If that armor is so good why not use it on ships

I hated how they tried to cash in on TR-8R by giving Phasma the traitor line.

WHY THE THE FUCK DID LEIA LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN ? I mean I know the answer from a script perspective is so that Finn and Rose could get in but Leia didn't know that

Those are just half of the plot holes of the movie.

You didn't even mentioned the walking-McGuffin code breaker casino planet plot.

Like, how the fuck did he negotiate with Phasma when he was with Finn & Chink the whole time.

TURN OFF YOUR FUCKING BRAIN AND GIVE US YOUR MONEY, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT MISOGYNISTIC PRICK

WE'LL SLIT YOUR FUCKING THROAT IF YOU POST ONE MORE NEGATIVE REVIEW

Also, how the fuck do they just nonchalantly open the door to the vacuum of space to pick Leia up?

>You didn't even mentioned the walking-McGuffin code breaker casino planet plot.

He's also a literal Deus ex machina after the horse scene. Comes out of the sky and everything

I can actually explain that. You see Leia float into an airlock, it's not just a door. So she closes the airlock before they open the other door.

If Snoke's whole characterization emphasized how he could read people's minds and feelings, and that he explicitly knew Kylo's every deep intention, how the fuck did he not sense his traitorous attack or even the lightsaber moving.

Why did Maz have the lightsaber in ep7?

Why did Punished C3PO have a red arm, then fixed it by the end of the film without mentioning it?

Why did Maz say that there's this single guy in the whole galaxy who can crack this code, and then the very next person they meet can do the job perfectly well?

Why did the admiral not inform her highest ranking officers about her plan to save them all? Does she expect them to sit down at their stations and wait to die?

because JJ never wrote a script he just copied the Originals and KK is a business person not an artist lol fuck u and ur dumb manchild movie

HOW DID DEL TORO KNOW ABOUT THE SMALL FREIGHTERS?

Seriously there is no fucking reason he could!

Wasn't the airlock part of the ship shown to be blown?

Kylo said it too, probably some others

She didn't leave the door open. They blasted through the door and somehow Finn and Rose made it back without getting murdered

Why isn't it standard procedure to scramble TIEs as soon as you come out of lightspeed yet holy shit

>Why did Maz have the lightsaber in ep7?
That's a story for another time, besides, she had a union dispute to deal with.

During the force projection bullshit, how did Kylo not see that Luke was using the VERY SAME BLUE LIGHTSABER he destroyed a scene ago?

Why didn't Yoda ghost return in ROTJ and zap lightning at the death star 2 power reactor?

The fallout from this movie is glorious
Like its not just rabid fanboys angry they didnt get to see Luke swing his green lightsabre (there are those people around for sure) its actually genuinely shit
BvS was less of a mess and made more sense

I cant believe they pushed production back 6 months and this is the best they could produce. Just bizzare

why didnt Obi Wan just kill Anakin?

She literally is looking out the door until she sees some TIE fighters and they manage to get a few shots inside and kill some people

Literally no reason to have it open she didn't know anyone was coming

Kylo was obsessed by that lightsaber a movie ago, yet he couldn't care less about it on this one.

>it's a plebeian-doesn't-know-how-to-use-the-term-"plot-hole"-episode

>TIE fighters chase and fire at the shuttle
>it slams right into the resistance hangar
>the resistance members all start to fire at it
Why? It's not like they could've destroyed this shuttle with normal blasters anyway + why would they do this in the first place? They noticed the TIE fighters were shooting at this ship, right?

He does have trouble operating the ski, he had to be told to press the green button. And it's only a land speeder, it doesn't take master training to turn a wheel left or right.

Hello mouse-shill.

No.

Why is there a ski? The ski introduces drag and creates a torque the speeder now needs to compensate for.

I'll admit this one seems like a real nit pick on the level of black science man but its basic shit


Also did you notice that guy that licked the ground to tell us it was salt and most definitely not snow so it definitely wasn't a hoth ripoff

>Rey touches lightsaber
>Sees Kylo in his mask with red saber killing jedi
>With Knights of Ren
>Rey has not seen Kylo before this point

New film
>He had Anakin's saber, no mask
>No sign of the Knights
>Wasn't even raining

Quite a feat for Rian to destroy both the OT and TFA in a single movie.

>Why doesn't everyone use light speed missiles
This is the stupidest thing in this movie. A ship massively smaller can just lightspeed another ship in half. You could just lightspeed a little fighter into the bridge or engine of a star destroyer and destroy it for 1/1000000th of the cost it took to make.

Wasn't a good movie, just pointing out a misuse of terminology.

>Why is there a ski?
So that you can have nice red trails behind the not-snowspeeders, duh.

Maybe he knocked Luke out, made his saber red, donned the helmet, and recruited some students and had them dress in a similar fashion before slaughtering everyone else before Luke woke up

Totally plausible

Did Rey really understand the force after only 1 lesson?

Did Rey really complete most of her training with Luke in what would have only been a few days? (or however long the rebel fleet was being chased by the first order)

mmmm you know those two are completly different scenes in time and place, right user?

seemed like he "only" is able to control the weather.
this movie raped star wars in every fucking way. luke, leia, the force, even chasing scenes were raped by minions with wings

If hyperspace missiles are a thing then why not just make a bunch of hyperspace missiles to destroy entire planets instead of a death star?
Why not just hyperspace crash into the death star? Just get a flying car from coruscant, put a hyperdrive on it and send it into the death star. It'll probably work, and if it doesn't, just keep doing it until the thing is blown up!
Why doesn't Luke just ask for a space ship with his telepathic powers and then fly over to help Rey instead of sitting on his ass and then doing some stupid astral projection shenanigans?

Yeah I thought that was strange. Why purposely omit that when it was one of the most jarring images from TFA. Was the force just being an unreliable narrator?

kek the universe lied to Rey

Difficult to see. Always in motion is the past.

>WAAAAAAAAH, WHY IS THERE NO LOGIC IN MY FILM ABOUT SPACE BATTLES AND LAZER SWORDS WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Somehow he can smack Luke with his cane though.

This movie honestly felt like a space version of Mad Max: Fury Road.
This long boring chase in space with a shitty subplot of that casino planet except for that codebreaker and the Reylo parts on that island.
When good space battles was actually happening, that was pretty decent.

Why would that be?

Those guys getting slayed in the TFA flashback were never stated to be Jedi.

Why did Kylo kill Luke with the rest of the Jedi temple? He was unconscious and thus defenseless

>Jakku is a desert planet
>Rey can swim

>Leia can defrost and fly
>can't lift rocks

>SPACE BATTLES AND LAZER SWORDS
At this point why even have logic at all

It heavily ripped off Battlestar Galactica. The circle is now complete.

I think he assumed he was crushed by the building.
Still, nigger needs to learn how to double tap

Can't find the clip but I remember this one standup bit about someone yelling "yeah right" in the theater in Superman returns when he gets hit in the eye

Suspension of disbelief only goes so far, even for superman

>One in the head, one in the heart!

>rebel bomber ships have giant doors that open from the bottom
>dudes just walking around the bay looking down into space with the doors open
>just unhook the bombs and let "gravity" drop them onto the dreadnaught

Except that fury road at least doesn't have a pretense of having some MASSIVELY EPIC STORY. It's just an action packed movie with good character moments.

Speeder vs tie fighter is like car vs fighter jet and even then he was still kinda bad

Phasma's armor is expensive

they died because they weren't ducking for cover like Finn and Rose, a bunch survived anyway

light speed kamikazi only worked because it was their best, strongest ship. See Rogue One for what normally happens when a smaller ship lightspeeds into a big one (seriously? can people not remember 1 (one) year ago anymore)

we've never seen anything less than a whole team of droids pilot a ship like that before, just assume they're too shit to do it

astral projecting literally killed luke (can you not remember the literal end of the movie)

aaannd that's just not how the force works my dude


Shit post OP, real shit

>yfw why would that be?

How did those bombers drop bombs in zero gravity?

It's funny, because vehicles in the OT and Prequels take inspiration from various bits of WWII hardware.

I guess Disney's designers had to be more in your face about it.

Your Disney cheque cleared I see

poe usean analog sitch to mute leia

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand The Last Jedi. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Luke’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike The Last Jedi truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in the Porg existential catchphrase “SQUARK SQUARK SQUARK,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Rian Johnson’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Porg tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

>Finn literally busts Poe out because he can't pilot himself
Finn can't fly a Tie Fighter but he can fly this much simpler craft
>If phasma has laser proof armor why doesn't anyone else
Expensive/not enough resources
>Why did the hundreds of Stormtroopers around Finn and Rose die when the ship got hit but they were okay
Plot armor, not a plot hole
>Why doesn't everyone use light speed missiles
Not enough resources and/or too costly
>Why did Laura Dern stay behind don't they have droids or autopilot
Droids lack certain human skills
>Why don't Jedis astral project for spying or assassinations
Newly learned skill, extremely high level and difficult
>If ghosts can still use the force why didn't ghost Yoda kill the emperor
Not his position to get that involved, only there to guide.

Except in R1 vader's ship drops out of hyperspace and the inertia of it wrecks the rebel transport, the transport never gets to jump.

>Why did Poe call off the suicide run? Did he know the superweapon was only going to blow a 6 foot hole in the door?
He learned his lesson from the bomber run in the beginning
>Why have a ground based Canon why not put it on a fucking space ship and use it from orbit
Because they wanted a hole in the door, not a hole in the roof
>Why can a giant metal door withstand a hit from a mini deathstar but ship armor can't handle even tiny lasers
Thickness of the armor
>If that armor is so good why not use it on ships
Ships wouldn't be as maneuverable nor as fast as they need to be

>Like, how the fuck did he negotiate with Phasma when he was with Finn & Chink the whole time.

In between the jail cell and picking them up on the cliff side.

>Droids lack certain human skills
user, literally all she did was sit down in a chair and give a pensive look before pulling a lever.

Why the fuck hasn't Anakin's ghost made contact with Kylo Ren yet? Hes got nothing to say to his grandson who's fucking up the entire galaxy in his name?

>Not enough resources and/or too costly
A single lightspeed missile would cost less or the same as a lightspeed ship, of which the rebellion sacrificed dozens in the opening battle. One lightspeed missiles could have achieved the same effect for much less cost.

It's more emotional for the audience if it's a person and not a droid. But yea, logically speaking you could simply program a droid to kamikaze at light speed.

This. The whole reason he grabbed them was probably to turn them in

>if it's a person
>that fucking character
>a person

What if the Luke in this movie wasn't the real Luke and instead was Luuke or Slightly Taller Luke?

Would explain a lot, really.

It was like Minority Report. He staged the same occurrence twice, this time in the rain and with Knights of Ren, so Rey (who is a pre cog) would get the wrong prediction and not see Luke trying to murder Kylo.

She decided that at the last minute when the escape pods were getting destroyed. Droids are good at taking orders, not making orders on their own (unless it's BB8 or R2).

Magnetic rails

We're about to get very autistic with the technology that enables something to go lightspeed but I'm just going to say that they aren't as viable as you assume.

He has, we just haven't seen it on screen
>Show me again. The power of the darkness. I will let nothing stand in our way

It's clear he is communicating with Anakins force ghost in some capacity. Don't forget that Episode 7 also had an entirely scrapped concept where Anakins force ghost was around and constantly fluctuating between Vader and Anakin

Bait post, but you have to have some sort of grounded universe laws, else you couldn't construct a plot

Luke makes a convoluted map to find him.

But he's on the island to die.


But he doesn't just kill himself, he stays in the island like Tom Hanks in Cast Away.

>Why doesn't everyone use light speed missiles

It's retarded to criticize TLJ for this you should be criticizing the other movies for the fact that light speed is never used as a weapon. It was established in the very first movie that it was possible to collide with objects during a jump.

>phasma armor is expensive
>when they got money from the plot

>>Why doesn't everyone use light speed missiles
>Not enough resources and/or too costly
What's cheaper: buying a hyperdrive, or buying a hyperdrive and then also building an X-Wing around it?
What's cheaper: losing 100 X-Wings in an engagement to take out a few star destroyers, or lose only like 3, with one lightspeed ramming into each enemy capital ship?

stop overanalyzing a space fantasy movie for children

This. A New Hope is trash because we never see anyone use light speed missiles

>Schizophrenic force ghost
Actually sounds pretty cool

>Having fantastical elements in the setting means not having internally consistent logic is okay

>"show me again the power of the darkness"
>communicating with Anakin's ghost
Bullshit. A redeemed Anakin would be trying to turn Ben away from the Dark, not seducing him towards it. Scrapped concept art that never made it into the film is merely that. Noncanon.

Until it is done like Jack Sparrow in the 3rd Pirates movie.

In episode 2F09, when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.

Two then. Or three. The general point is that lightspeed ramming is something that should never have been introduced. It invalidates every situation it isn't used because of how goddamn effective it is. Something with mass moving near lightspeed would devastate anything it hits.

Read the second half of the post

What part of "scrapped concept art proves nothing about the final product" do you not understand? Maybe they cut that idea for good reason: in the nucanon, darksiders can't become force ghosts. Stop pretending that cut content is an argument. It isn't.

STOP SAYING THE EMPEROR IS NAKED YOU FOOLS!

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why do my actiun figers have limitetions and insecuretees

why wasn't Luek liek my viedogaem charecters

why didnt he do the woosh woosh wiht his ligthsarbe

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Try flicking a stick near the end, middle and base, user. Report back with your findings.

We have to assume most of these ships have a large crew which means it's not really a useful tactic. The resistance can't waste resources at this point even if it hurts the First Order and the First Order looks down on the Resistance and doesn't need to use the tactic. Now, strapping a droid into an escape pod sized ship and sending it on a kamikaze mission is certainly possible but that could easily be explained as not viable with other Star Wars wishy-washy logic and physics.

Star Wars VIII: The Last Deus Ex Machina
or was it?

>light speed kamikazi only worked because it was their best, strongest ship. See Rogue One for what normally happens when a smaller ship lightspeeds into a big one (seriously? can people not remember 1 (one) year ago anymore)
you are a retard
>seriously? can people not remember 1 (one) year ago anymore
watch the scene again retard