Plot holes in TLJ

Can we talk about how stupid the hyperdrive kamikaze scene was? It's by far the biggest plot hole in the movie. If you could just hyperdrive kamikaze your enemy why the fuck did they never do that before?

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Why didnt the rebels just hyperdrive into the death star?

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The previous thread.

How the fuck was that a plot hole? They just used the hyper drive to crash into the star destroyer and destroy it. Why would they do it before? It's suicide

Hyperdrive torpedoes nigger, before you say its a stupid idea, they already had hyperdrive lasers

Remote ships or heroic sacrifices both work well. Why even build a Death Star? Just strap a hyperdrive to a big space rock and shoot it at a planet, same effect. Even if hyperspace doesn't interact with normal space, what if that brief moment before it all goes blue, it's still normal space at relativistic speed, as another poster mentioned previously. Then all you have to do is set the right distance before firing, based on the hyperdrive's class.

why didnt the empire just hyperdrive into Alderaan?

Are you retarded? A single ship being able to destroy a whole fleet just by ramming it is literally the ultimate weapon.

>Hyperdrive torpedoes nigger, before you say its a stupid idea, they already had hyperdrive lasers

Oh shit, everything is stupid. Can't complain about plot holes when there is more hole than plot.

Fuck that, just make missile with hyperdrive capabilities. Heck, just make mobile homes with hyperdrive capabilities and target the area that powers the enemies' ships.

its that a collage of scenes, or is it edited like that in the actual movie?

Here's the real scene

youtube.com/watch?v=HdKestv7-gg

The worst part isn't that they never did it in any other SW media, the worst part is that in this same movie, hours before this happens, they just let their other 2 ships get shot down when they're out of fuel WITH their captains on board.

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Wouldn't it make more sense for them to use hyperdrive to accelerate slugs, like as their main weaponry? Like a giant tungsten round shot at hyperspeed would achieve the same thing. Why aren't all their weapons like that?

Because Star Wars was never meant to be a relativistic slug accelerating hard sci-fi shitverse. Hyperspace was a cool to traverse ungodly distances in matters of hours, days, or weeks if you have a slow hyperdrive and need to cross the galaxy.

it makes the whole ot pointless
why did the empire built the death star if coursicant allone has a billion ships with lightspeed ready to destroy planets?

That's the huge plothole. You could just instakill any star destroyer even planets by hyperdriving scrap metal into them

Why didnt they hyperdrive anakin into the sith?

How the fuck did Benicio del Toro know about the Resistance's evacuation plan so he could sell them out?

Nice

They stole this from Halo Reach, kind of. In Halo Reach, they opened a portal right beneath a large supercarrier and teleported it to oblivion, but that took a lot of careful planning to capture an enemy ship so they could trick the enemy and get it close enough to the behemoth supercarrier to open the portal.

But in this case there's actually no reason why they haven't done this before. Literal trash writing and directing.

It's clear that Disney just underestimated the power of sw-autism.
They chose to ignore some small and ultimately not important, but still established things in order to create more cool and unexpected scenes for auidence to gasp to, and that would've been fine for any other franchise.
But over the years, and especially lately, by hyping up and streamlining the whole "nerd culture" and SW in particular into the absolute mainstream, they created the mass audience that knows all these little details and can no longer suspend it's collective disbelief over them.
The difference between critic score and audience score is literally jus their hype machine biting it's own tail.

Reposting from old thread. It pretty much summed up my feelings regarding hyperspace-ramming-

Any sci-fi with a mass driver has this concept. Speed any mass up enough, and it becomes devastating. I'm sure it's been around since Heinlein and Asimov, I know Dirty Pair did an episode with one.

I wanna talk about how they fly into a cloud of salt without closing their cockpit.
It would sting alot!

A ship in hyperdrive doesn't suddenly turn into a giant ball of plasma energy.
It's still a ship; a physical object in space.
Even if it was moving at light speed, the ship would still get totaled and severely fucked if it collides into another massive ship.
Why is this so hard for Johnson to figure out? Even a grade-schooler can point out how retarded it is.

JUST
TURN
YOUR
BRAIN
OFF
LMAO
XDDDD

*blocks your kamikaze attack*
*also blocks you from going into hyperspace which would have been insanely useful for the bad guys throughout all the movies*

It's not that, he got the concept right. Except that it has no place in Star Wars because it's a broken tactic.

Not just that but you could blow up fucking planets doing this shit

>They chose to ignore some small and ultimately not important

This shit is neither, it's a game changer. If you could just hyperdrive ram everybody with results like destroying a whole star destroyer fleet by the expense of one ship they should have done it way way before and developed weapons around it.

The millennium falcon jumps into a planet's atmosphere. Well within the planet's gravity well.

One ship went into hyper drive and destroyed a whole fleet. You could just put a hyper drive on some space junk and direct it towards the enemy and insta win.

At least in Halo, their method of fast travel (slip space portals) were a bit inaccurate and you couldn't travel exactly to where you wanted. Nor could you travel into an atmosphere never mind a solid object (at some point in Halo 2, they figured out how to do travel in atmosphere, but they technologically progressed to that point).

seriously, if we follow the "ww2 in space" aesthetic by lucas why don't people mass produce little hyperdrive ohkas piloted by droids to absolutely btfo enemy fleets?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_MXY-7_Ohka

It's Star Wars you retards, you are supposed to enjoy it not to critique it's every inaccuracy, God you are so autistic sometimes.

watch this shit never fucking happen again in the entire series so they don't have to explain it ever.

>JUST TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN BRAH

why am i supposed to care about a universe that relies on constant asspulls and plot holes?

the rebels have been shown to be willing to go on suicide missions.

Are you sure? I think the concept is accelerating a very tiny object very fast. 2 large objects would destroy each other, no?

Ships in star wars don't travel at light speed they go through hyperspace which is a different dimension or some shit.
Other ships are just gravity shadows in hyperspace which would probably cause more damage to the rebel ship than the imperials

It's not important to the writers or the director, or anyone in charge, because they're not the fans, for them it's just a cool scene to put in the movie.
But it's important for you, for fans, for people on the internet, and unexpectedly for them, to general audience too, because that general audience is trained on wookipedia and youtube nerd shows now

>What is internal consistency.

Wouldn't even need that something as minimal as the ohka. Take an asteroid or some garbage, tape on a hyperdrive. Use another ship to point it in the right direction and then launch.

The credibility of any threat or situation has been irreversibly destroyed though, since any hyperdrive ship is capable of destruction that no fleet or superweapon can resist.

>what are droids or autopilot
also if your ship is going down and there isnt time to escape why not just say fuck it and take out the guy whos killing you

This. Completely invalidates the reasoning behind bothering to build something like a Death Star or Starkiller Base

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>Plot holes in TLJ

How about the entire first hour of the film? Everything was quite literally irrelevant because "lol we had a secret plan to fly to the planet all along"
If they revealed that at the start the entire film would have been

>Resistance are running away
>Resistance get onto planet and have a snow/salt battle
>The end

The Rebels were trying to win the hearts and minds of the galaxies peoples. If they were seen to be Allah Akbarring into ships, no one would support them. They'd be Space ISIS.

JUST PLOT HOLE MY SHIT UP

We saw one ship destroy a fleet by going into hyperspace. You literally just need something with a hyperdrive and point it at the enemy. You can be sevaral light years away, it doesn't matter.

>you are now imagining a version of the clone wars where the CIS just mass produced suicide droids to obliterate the republic fleet

BRAVO RIAN

I want to hyperdrive my dik into derns old pusy

>you have to be some kind of super nerd to ask "what's the point of literally any weapon system in Star Wars when you can just hyperdrive through half a fleet of larger, shielded ships like butter?"

Beautiful woman

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_kill_vehicle

Introducing this into Star Wars is just about the stupidest thing you could do and calls into question so much of the universe. Why would they do this.

hperdrive only makes sense if the object in hyperdrive gets fucked but not the object it collides with, the object in subspace has like less mass in subspace or some shit to minimize momentum to achieve high velocity. what the fuck.

Remember that shapeshifting assassin that wanted to kill whathername?
Yeah, she just bought an old junker of cr'aigslist and rammed it at lightspeed into coruscant.
Mission complete.

it doesn't take autism to see this. it's pretty glaring. i can see normies asking the same question.

>why the fuck did they never do that before?
there's always a first time

>Imagine an imperial, certified big-guy.
>Commanding a fleet of hundreds of star destroyers.
>No fleet can stand up to his might.
>Then johnny mcrebel shows up in his cobbled together freighter that stinks of piss. He's just outside of range.
>He stumbles out of his seat. There are stains on his seat, the windows are foggy and he spills alderaan dew on himself as he wobbles around.
>He straps into a too small spacesuit and falls out of his ship.
>His suit is leaking air and body-odour.
>Tells his astromech (with a pirated anime persanality file) to plot a new course.
>"Yes senpai kun! I love you Johnny san!"
>The shitty frieghter vanishes.
>And the flagship of the imperial fleet, the closest four star destroyers and most of the TIEs en route to intercept vanish too. in huge fireballs.

>Imperial fleet is kill.

>Infamously known as one of the most retarded shit that will ever stain the old EU
>Disney's retcon is taken as a good thing, and people believe shit as retarded won't ever happen again
We've gone full circle.
Also, who else hated that bitch and how was she portrayed as a good person when she was an incompetent fuck whose only redeeming point was her sacrifice?

Pilots in these movies sucided themselves before, they lost several ships (and their commanders) when they ran out of fuel, why didn't they kamikaze into snoke's ship then?

It's a mayor plothole, when you can destroy an entire fleet with a single x-wing by only losing a pilot (you were going to lose anyway because those damn dogfights are a mess), why don't you do it?

>It's clear that Disney just underestimated the power of sw-autism.
if by underestimate you mean they didn't even send one goon to ask in some random star wars forum about that posibility then yeah

Can somebody create a gif wherein you see the death star - then it cuts to purple hair FTL'ing her ship into it, then cutting to the death star blowing up (as in, after Luke destroyed it), Then show the Death star 2, and exactly the same thing happening, then starkiller base and the same thing happening too just to round it out nicely?

TLJ ruined all of star wars, not just the one film but it creates plot holes for every previous film too.

From Disney's perspective, yes

>BRO!!JUST TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF!!!

>Ships in star wars don't travel at light speed they go through hyperspace which is a different dimension or some shit.
The ship literally ripped through the other ships... in physical space.
What 'different dimension' are you talking about?

>tfw no Forerunner-Flood War film saga with mind bogglingly enormous fleet engagements and Precursor super structures carving up 100km capital ships like butter

I've seen this argument and it's bullshit even considering how bullshitty that sloth race was.

The only reason Holdo made it work is because the First Order had all firepower focused on the evacuation ships and didn't see her plan until it was too late.

Going into hyperdrive takes enough time for You to get obliterated it, nvm the fact that all the ships had to turn 180 degrees and go into hyperdrive to make that work.

>JUST TURN YOUR WH*TE MALE BRAIN OFF

>Han hyperspaces inside a ship in TFA and nothing happens
>This scene in TLJ
Conherent these movies are not

Literally just use start the hyper drive one light year away far away from it's range. You don't to be fucking next to the ship. You can use it from anywhere.

Crashing this plane
WITH NO SURVIVERS!

a lot of anime undertones in the cinematography.

>sloth race
The ones with four tits?

When your 10 year cousin asks you why didn't they use that before with the smaller ships that were destroyed earlier in the movie you know the screenwriters fucked up

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i hope in episode 9, the resistance builds a starkiller base that uses rebel starships for ammunition.

This concept has always existed in Star Wars; it's the reason why hyperdrive courses have to be plotted before hand and aren't just a straight line

starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperdrive
>Large objects in normal space cast "mass shadows" in hyperspace, thus hyperspace jumps required accurate plotting to avoid collisions, which were often fatal.

They will probably asspull something like "anything smaller than The Supremacy doesn't cast a mass shadow" and "anything larger will always have a hyperdrive shield" and "The Supremacy didn't have its hyperdrive shield turned on so that they could use their new tracking device"

but why didn't they just put all power to forward shields pre-emptively

So is "why didn't they just ram the enemy at hyperspeed" going to become the new "why didn't they just fly the eagles to Mordor"?

>with epic guitar rifts everytime some cool shit happens

Because it's cool.

Retarded Autistic Explanation:
Maybe hitting something like a Star Destroyer with your hyperdrive-equipped ship is about as fucking impossible as hitting a strand of hair with a bullet from half mile away.

You can't introduce logic into a universe where The Force exists

No, because this movie never happened.

Even R1 showed vader's SD destroying rebel fleets that just jumped into hyperspace

It's probably too hard to calculate the hyperspace exit point to make that work from that distance
Like imagine how small ship's lenght is compared to a fucking light year

Disney has no fucking idea how their shit works. One moment Hyper Space works like it always did by sending the ship through a hyperspace tunnel the next minute its just speeding up to FTL

This was my main problem with the movie as well. It looked nice, but it was stupid.

1. Character arcs are good
2. Rose is a decent character with development that isn't an SJW
3. Rey has at least ONE scene where she's flawed / naive. Still worst character tho
4. Some good action
5. Great editing connecting each scene together
6. Great music.
7. Good acting mostly
8. Semi-believable and at least different storyline for Luke etc.

And ALL of that is counterbalanced by the atrocious use of "humor". There are some times when jokes are appropriate. But you can't have a dramatic scene get undercut by quips.

And the ham-fisted dialogue being "MUH force be with you" by every no name character or "MUH rebel scum". Was pretty bad too.

Also Rey is still a nearly flawless mary sue, and she AGAIN outclassed Kylo and even Snoke (considering SHE saw that Kylo would turn). She's yet again the strongest person in the series and it makes The First Order a fucking joke of a villain.

Literally not a plot hole

>Begin feminizing the transports

Yet they have shown to have pinpoint accuracy every time it's used. Fucking Han was able to get inside a planet's atmosphere. Accuracy is literally not a problem.

>You can't introduce logic into a universe where The Force exists

She doesn't look like a military official.
Where's her rank insignia? Her uniform? Even a rudimentary headset to communicate with all her charges?

This is not true tho, they were unaware they were being tracked through hyperspace.

Their first plan was to evacuate and resettle on Crait and contact allies through there.

Stop making up parts as trash writing or plotholes that are not, whilst there is so much stuff in the movie that actually is a plothole/bad writing.

hes a master hacker. dudebro probably did some digging around on his way to the fleet

Godspeed friendo, see you in Monster Hunter World... oh wait, you're not cool enough to hang with the big kids yet. Go back to 4u, kiddo, heh.

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