Can't even go "huh" anymore, huh?

Can't even go "huh" anymore, huh?

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What the fuck is this?

Some companywarfag that probably got banned from Sup Forums so he shitposts here.

The state of MCU.

Nice, just what I think every after every Marvel movie.

YEAH, THIS GUY WHO I NEVER HEARD OF IS A MASSIVE DICK


WTF I HATE MAHVEL NOW

So Im not crazy... the Russos are shit.

You've never heard of Kevin Feige? He's the one making your Marvels.

>15 movies barely distinguishable
There are morons who actually think this.

Each MCU movies has its own identities and you have to be quite the obtuse one to not see it.

so is this the guy who donated to trump's campaign or was it some other dude?

That's the other guy, Ike Perlmutter. Ike runs Marvel (comics, tv shows, everything else), Feige runs Marvel Studios (movies). They are considered separate parts of Disney.

the Marvel comics division is way worse

pic related

p.s. snyder is a bigger hack than ANYONE at Marvel Studios. Critics agree with this statement, and normies agree with this because of boxoffice returns. Do yourself a favor and look at the youtube view count of the Justice League trailer and the week old Thor Ragnarok trailer.

Sorry you have atrocious, shit taste.

Ike used to run the whole show before Feige ratted him out and became the favorite pet of Disney shareholders.

>and normies agree with this because of boxoffice returns

But the DCEU has solid Box Office returns

First three DCEU films have made way more than the first three MCU films. And then BvS still made more than Civil War at DVD & Blu-ray sales.

first 3 DCEU films featured the biggest Superheroes in the world

Superman has never been a box-office phenomenon. In fact, Snyder films have been by far the most popular Superman films on cinema.

so are Snyderfags trying to make themselves the new bronies of the site? they are are doing a pretty good job at it

>implying it's not the corporate lawyers at disney that are sucking the life out of everything

homogenized, focus tested and lawyer approved!

>Superman has never been a box office phenomena
>Superman 1978 scored 300 million worldwide, adjusted for inflation its $1,789,662,782
hell Cavils superman isnt even the most popular in merch, i still see more people walking in generic superman merch than in MoS or BvS merch

> dvd and bluray
Funny how it Couldn't even make more than Avengers even though superman and batman were bigger names than Hulk,thor,capt,iron man combined

She made ms marvel? How old is she?

>he thinks inflation is valid argument
Yeah sure and a film ticket cost $50 back in the days. Wages don't raise at the level of inflation.

and still, the biggest Superheroes in history couldnt beat one B lister

interesting argument, brother.

What bullshit is this? Avengers made more than TDKR, remember? And that was made by Nolan and coming off the massive TDK hype.

Hell the difference between Civil War and BvS is smaller than the difference between TDKR and Avengers.

mid-30s, early 40s I think?

it still topped the box office and is still WB's most profitablle superman film while MoS fizzle away
people still believe a man can fly, while nobody really remembers MoS aside from that laughable Pa Kent death scene

You are beyond hope if you think wages have multiplied by 6 since 1980. Inflation means shit in this context.

That's impossible, that would make her not born yet OR an infant. She has to be 60+

Marvel fucking got shit right with Iron Man 1 and to a generation of kids hes more iconic than fucking Batman, Superman or even Spider-man.

I really am interested in what the MCU would be if Disney never got involved would they have started to deviate post Avengers or would they still stick to the formula so closely.

Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel, not Carol Danvers Ms. Marvel

Iron Man, Captain America, Thor were all solid B to C-list tier characters to normies. Literally EVERYONE ON THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET knows who BATMAN and SUPERMAN are,and in Suicide Squad's adverts the JOKER was promoted heavily and again, EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD knows who the Joker is.

Prior to the DCU, Batman, Superman and the Joker were all on Darth Vader level awareness. Meaning multiple generations of people from 2 yrs old to 102 yrs old across the world (even in non-English speaking countries), know who those characters are.

Iron Man, Thor, Captain America were at General Grievous level of knowledge before their films went big. Only Spider-Man and Hulk were at multi-generational levels before their movies came out.

Why are you attacking me? I literally posted your argument was interesting.

See
Even TDKR, the biggest Batman film of all time, following a perfect hype created by TDK could not beat Avengers. In fact, Avengers did way more than TDK than Civil War compared to BvS. Stop trying to make Marvel look like the underdogs here. Avengers changed everything. They made 1.5 billion on that.

Sorry. Misunderstanding.

>Wtf is this?

OP sperging out

>Americans wake up and start posting in Sup Forums
>"HURR DC SUCKS MAHVEL REIGNS SUPREME LMAO"
>Europeans wake up and start posting in Sup Forums
>"Marvel movies are not that good, and DC movies are not that bad"
Good night, Cletus.

Solid doesn't mean shit when Marvel raises the bar. Yesterday's solid is today's crap. Now it's just a catchup game

>boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=dccomics.htm
>8.235
Vs.
>boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=avengers.htm
>10.913

I even did you the favor of leaving out the other marvel films which would have kicked it up to 22.666 billion

but that includes the other marvel films?

>when Marvel raises the bar

They literally lower the bar so they can pander to everyone.

>be marlel
>know I can't compete with other comic companies due to my mediocre stable of d-listers
>crash the industry again

Can anyone really defend the state of the MCU growing up with superhero films of the 90's and early 00's?

how is this shit not bannable yet?

>Make the most successful comicbook franchise in history
>BUT THEY PANDER
Marvel Studios has put comic book movies on the map. Because of them it forced DCEU to happen, and even though I'm not happy about the DCEU and the state of it, I can at least be grateful that they are at least making DC movies instead of relaunching batman every 4-5 years.

>Marvel Studios has put comic book movies on the map
The Dark Knight did that. The only thing Marvel did was taint the genre into a forever state of infantile plots and razor-thin characters with Avengers. The genre would've been much better off without them. God knows it was way more experimental and varied before the Marvel formula became THE superhero formula.

I understand the gist of your argument. Ticket prices haven't exactly exploded and it's not even taking into account the fact most theatres even have discount days so the ticket value dips for the exact same film

THIS THIS THIS

Dshit needs to be fucking banned. They are the narutards of Sup Forums

Stop with the Company wars buzzword faggotry.

I'm a big DC fan, but MCU is the most successful movie franchise of all time $$ wise. All other studios are figuring out how to have their own cinematic universes. This whole thing wouldn't be possible without Marvel Studios. You think WB would put Superman in a Batman movie if it wasn't for MCU?

It's more Batman in a Superman movie really. They approached the thing as Batman becoming a villain to Superman. It's a sequel to Man of Steel which is the spiritual successor of the TDK series but with Superman's story instead. It's true that cinematic universes are due to Marvel though. But I don't really consider that a compliment. I preferred it when the heroes were split off so we got more unique films with proper closures instead of these neverending open-ended films opening the way for more films and more and more. I almost wish they just did MoS trilogy like the TDK trilogy with a proper beginning middle and end instead of taking the MCU approach of going into a dozen more films.

Thanks Disney I guess.

Alright, well you made quiet a sincere response back, so I gotta apologizes for coming on so harsh there.

As a huge DC comics fan, and a moderate Marvel movie fan I can enjoy best of both worlds really. The Nolan trilogy did a whole lot for the comic book franchise median like you said, to be honest I forgot about that before making that post and we have Nolan to thank a lot for that. Comic book movies were a joke, even Zach Snyder still thinks they are a bit of a joke with the "can't have 2 people talking to each other in their costumes". Look how far we've come and the fact that Marvel is making these blockbuster, mediocre-to good movies is only a good thing for both DC fans and Marvel fans. Because it shows those old ass stupid execs that comic book accurate movies work.

I'm just thankful for where we are at, also sorry for being a asshole.

> God knows it was way more experimental and varied

>Hi, welcome to DCBurger. Would you like a Batman or a Superman? Those are the only items on the menu.
They finally figured it out and after their green lantern flop they managed SS which they still sold as Batman/joker light. Nobody was holding a gun to DCs dick telling them to not be creative all the while Marvel threw out Spiderman,Xmen,thor,Captain murica,Hulk,GotG,Ironman, antman,Dr.Strange,FF.

>DVD and Blu-ray
That's part of the Directors Cut Extended Universe's marketing plan, release a movie in theaters, and when people don't like it they release the 'fixed' version as a marked up home edition. It's actually kind of brilliant.

To add, to what I said here , I agree with you that MoS needed a trilogy they really rushed into BvS and it shows. Superman is still massively under developed and the death of superman doesn't feel as heavy. And it shows again how stupid movie execs are for rushing into a cinematic universe instead of actually making good movies first to establish the universe, but what can you do. They killed superman off in his 2nd movie. Thanks WB.

MoS needed a trilogy, batman needed a trilogy then you see them meet and fight. That would have been an amazing build up.

Knowing WB, they'll count the Dark Knight Trilogy as that

Really hits at the fans wallets

And gets the ol' hamster wheel turning

I don't think Batman needed his own trilogy before BvS. I was fine with the film hinting at his fucked up life with Affleck's acting and the background notes (Joke's on you Batman). I don't think mass audiences really were prepared for a new Batman trilogy either when TDK trilogy was ended so soon. But I would've preferred it if they approached Superman as a story instead of a gateway into more stories like Marvel is doing.

I think they had something great with MoS being birth, BvS being death and then the final part being rebirth. You know really fits the whole theme of as an otherworldy savior that Snyder wanted to portray him as. I don't like the idea of neverending film universes. It just ruins the narrative and turns it into a glorified TV show where the stakes are always lowered to keep the many profit options open for as long as possible.

The DCEU is going to be that now, because we are never going to get a death of superman 2.0 story now. Plus they made Batfleck too old, I like batfleck but for a cinematic universe IDK too old.

The whole thing was just bungled by WB and goyer/Snyder imo. Snyder did the future of the DCEU no favor by killing superman in his 2nd movie and making batman old.

I don't think they can hear you over all the money they're making.

More room for legacy batman

holy fuck, sperg much?

Nope. It's on the execs for overburdening Snyder. Snyder himself is an excellent filmmaker. BvS was directed with great skill. He really is one of a kind and I hope we get more from him but less constricted by the studios. The false narrative against Snyder must end. Half the MCU directors are taking inspiration from him.

>made ms marvel
MADE!!! she Self-Insert in Marvel Comics

>Snyder himself is an excellent filmmaker. BvS was directed with great skill. He really is one of a kind and I hope we get more from him but less constricted by the studios. The false narrative against Snyder must end. Half the MCU directors are taking inspiration from him.
Highly subjective stuff right there.
>It's on the execs for overburdening Snyder.
Probably agreed on this. WB is full of idiots.

>this whole thread

>Snyder himself is an excellent filmmaker

>He really is one of a kind and I hope we get more from him but less constricted by the studios

Yeah the world really can't survive without another Sucker Punch. I also enjoy fetish fests that Snyder then tries to justify as somehow being cultural commentary because he can't admit he wants to jerk off to his underage anime rape fantasies.

For as bad as he can be, he's at his worst without a filter.

Every director who dares creates a few duds. We shouldn't be really that afraid of failures when it also is necessary for great things (Watchmen, MoS, BvS(bite me Sup Forums))

I think Marvel's overall problem is that they're just too afraid of failures, which is why they refuse to let their directors actually direct. People are too afraid. Executives most of all. Disney executives even more so.

While I won't deny that the DCEU has solid box office returns and audience sizes I think it's worth looking at context as well. Given the seminal nature of their properties they should really be running the show, yet now characters that are flat out obscure C and D listers are able to match and surpass them in just about every metric that matters.

What is that, if not a sign of the brand being mishandled?

It's like if I suddenly open up a burger place that in less than a decade became as big a name (or bigger) than McDonalds. For that to happen not only do I have to be great, but the giant I'm in the shadow of would have to have fucked up somewhere, right?

The whole picture? You mean the whole picture of Avengers becoming a 1.5 billion hit with half a billion more than the most popular DC film of all time?

Stop pretending Marvel are the underdogs here. Avengers changed everything, even with Nolan directing Batman at its most popular era.

I like the cognitive dissonance of these threads where hipsters try to argue their niche thing for special smart people like them has more mainstream appeal and legs.

You bitter babies wanted serious realism that would only appeal to a tiny minority. You got it. You've been praising it for 4 years for no other reason than to be contrary and stick it to the "normies". Don't whine that it's not as popular. You never wanted it to be. You have no justification for those sour grapes.

>Every director who dares creates a few duds

Every time the suits give him control of the wheel he crashes it into a wall. His worst films are the ones he made with full authority. It's no different from The Wachowskies, or Lucas, or Shayamalan or any of a number of artists who can't be given full control of their work without it just becoming a fetish object for their own ideas and nothing else.

This is why I hate what auteur theory has mutated into, this cult of fanatics who refuse to accept that having a vision and being talented aren't the same thing. It's absurd, these people will defend any movie that has a vision regardless if the vision is worthwhile or conveyed well or even in the proper medium, like having a vision is literally the only requirement for being good.

I'm not saying that Marvel is the underdog NOW. I'm saying they WERE when they were starting out at this.

This is classic Tortoise and the Hare. WB went "We have the big names. We can do whatever and nobody can touch us" and they sat on their laurels and they pissed away their potential and the tortoise of marvel took it slow and built their brand and passed them in the race.

It's hilarious how the DCEU fags praise it for being different when it's just WB putting all their eggs in the Batman basket yet again.

They're just as formula and homogenous as Marvel's movies. Just a different flavor. You just like the taste better. Like a guy that thinks he's more mature because he drinks his coffee black.

Meh, more like Avengers was the perfect storm for Disney with numerous conditions aligning themselves perfectly for that.

Regardless, stop claiming that each time DC fails to beat Marvel at box-office it's due to incompetence. It's been like that for ages now. Avengers (a success not even Marvel can replicate no matter how hard they try) changed the conditions for everyone. If TDK couldn't beat it, nothing by DC can except something short of a miracle. This is why I shit on those who always pull the DCEU numbers and put it against Marvel to prove it's failing while all they do is point at the status quo that has been existing for more than five years now.

DC or Marvel will never come to Avengers numbers again. It changed the game for everyone.

you sound like a diversity reditor.

Rather have TV directors than Snyder famalam.

Also for all the crowing DCEUfags do about directors having freedom, The Flash has gone through 2 (some would argue 3), WW is on its second and SS was completely butchered because WB wanted it to be more like Deadpool.

Because TDKR isn't very good man.

Avengers did amazingly because its a good fun movie you can watch multiple times. People saw it multiple times and a lot of people who don't normally watch comic book movies came to see it.

TDKR people saw once said that was ok or that was shit and didn't bother watching it again.

>strawmanning cherry picks

>Meh, more like Avengers was the perfect storm for Disney with numerous conditions aligning themselves perfectly for that.
Yes, if we start counting from Avengers. But why are we doing that when we should be starting from Iron Man 1?

Yes, Avengers was a huge moment. Yes, it was a game changer. But why? I think it's because it was the pay off after four years of build up. Those were a huge part of those the conditions. The DCEU didn't bother with that build up so of course they can't try and get the same end result.

I have no idea what those meaningless buzzwords mean so I'm not sure if I should be offended or not. But I think you just want a (You) so I can oblige.

...

Whatever dude, I just want a fun Flash movie MCU style and a Fantastic Four one. God I need a good Fantastic Four trilogy with a good Doctor Doom as a final boss of a final Avengers vs FF movie. Fuck you Fox.

DC want the cinematic universe instantly but don't want to do the work the MCU did to build to Avengers 1.

Honestly DC should have taken a different approach and just started with a Justice League movie against a more minor threat that just so happens to have them working together. Remember the episode of Justice League where Joker just takes over Vegas for the night. Fucking do that set up Joker taking over Vegas its all over the news Flash, Batman, Wonder woman, Superman and whoever else you want show up to stop him then spin off movies from there.

I think the problem even there is that it hinges on a "Everybody knows and loves DC superheroes already!" mentality that is very clearly not as true as it once was.

Superman especially, has been waning on the movie scene for a long, long time. Yet they tried to build a universe off of a solo that was really only 50/50 well received, if that. Then they killed the guy, before giving audiences any real reason to miss him when he was gone.

Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are still recognizable. Flash has a successful TV show.

Its not just building it off a solo its building it off a Solo they specifically wanted to be separate, different and not be part of a universe.

Superman has been waning but him and Batman are still big draws if BvS was Batman and Superman Worlds Finest and was the start of a cinematic universe it could have been more successful.

Honestly I don't think she even READS any comics.

You said recognizable. And I agree to that. But that's also not the same thing as what I said. Recognizing a character or their iconography is not the same as knowing their mythos and CERTAINLY not the same as liking said mythos.

Since you brought her up, Wonder Woman is a perfect example of that. Even her fans can't agree on which version of her they actually like or what she means and I'm supposed to think she's ready for a mainstream movie?

I also don't think you could start with a World's Finest movie. Not so soon after the Nolan trilogy. You've have to afford time to establish this wasn't that Batman and there's new rules and levels of fantasy again.

>the Marvel comics division is way worse

...Yes.

Also, being not-as-bad as Snyder is a classic example of killing with faint praise.