The ending is absolutely perfect, a perfect conclusion to Luke's character

Sebastian Clark
Sebastian Clark

The ending is absolutely perfect, a perfect conclusion to Luke's character. He fulfills Obi Wan's example, he reconciles his OT idealism with the understanding of the prequel's reality, he manages to hold off an entire army without abandoning his pacifism. It shows a strong understanding of the character, and the fact that he's pushing the Force harder that it ever has before fits great.

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Caleb Carter
Caleb Carter

Agreed. It was really clever visual storytelling too. And an interesting and different way of having the classic character last stand before death.

Aiden Butler
Aiden Butler

the ending
You mean the broomboy scene?

Brayden Anderson
Brayden Anderson

he dies a 53 year old virgin with no accomplishments lmao

Gabriel Sullivan
Gabriel Sullivan

i almost cried when he looked at the two suns and binary sunset played.

i could not imagine a better "end" for him

Wyatt Thompson
Wyatt Thompson

Maybe I was simply tired, but the death at sunset looked great. They would have killed him anyway

Angel Martinez
Angel Martinez

I'm a little shocked how much hatred the movie is getting

Its easily the best Star Wars film in decades, granted that isn't much competition

it kinda seems like everyone is just hung up on little things

Luis Powell
Luis Powell

Yes because a creepy uncle sneaking in nephews bedroom and sweating over his bed is exactly what I think of when I think Luke.

Cheap comedy gags really did the character justice.

It was really clever visual storytelling too

Fuck off you fucking shill. There was nothing visually interesting about his death scene.

He serves as a cheap distraction so ten people can escape and the exhaustion kills him. Admiral tumblr got a death scene that broke all the logic of all the movies and took out an entire fleet, but this is all Luke can do before he croaks

Elijah Anderson
Elijah Anderson

his pacifism
Luke killed more people in the OT than Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and every 80s action movie star, in all of their movies combined. When the fuck did he turn into a pacifist?

John Young
John Young

Yeah that part where he sucks the titty milk out of the dick pelican was truly k I n o absolutely perfect

William Rogers
William Rogers

that was not the ending. learn to read.

Tyler Butler
Tyler Butler

in the 3rd movie where he refused to kill his father or the emperor

Luis Morales
Luis Morales

He considered killing his young nephew because he might be into the dark side.

The same Luke that went to the second Death Star to redeem his Dad.

They ruined Luke. Now when you watch the OT you know it’s all for nothing.

Jaxon Lee
Jaxon Lee

all these fucking shills itt

This is fucking scary

Nathaniel Walker
Nathaniel Walker

he changed his mind

Tyler Smith
Tyler Smith

It shows a strong understanding of the charac-

Zachary Long
Zachary Long

I'll accuse anyone who disagrees with me of having an agenda in order to deflect from my own!

Noah Wright
Noah Wright

supposed to be a Jedi Knight/Master
Still tempted to kill a defenseless teenager just because of a precognition
Luke thinks his own nephew a lost cause eventhough years ago he can turn his dad in the light until the end
Leia also thinks Ben, her own son, a lost cause.

Jackson Campbell
Jackson Campbell

Did you even see the movie? What am I saying, of course you didn’t. This is from Kylo’s version of the events, as he remembers Luke looking evil. He doesn’t like that when Luke recounts the event.

Jonathan Thompson
Jonathan Thompson

Doesn't understand Rashomon
Don't be a brainlet. That's the scene from Kylo's perspective. The third scene is the one that happened from Luke's perspective.

Matthew Clark
Matthew Clark

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Jack King
Jack King

Shill post are so easy to spot
There are FOUR separate ones in this thread defending this laughably bad character assassination
Sup Forums is totally compromised

Carson Clark
Carson Clark

The broomboy scene I liked it and disliked it at the same time, first, served as a pretext to restore a Jedi community, but it really means that now Disney can make as many films about force-wielders as they please, until Star Wars is nothing but a dry tit.

Thomas Brooks
Thomas Brooks

Upon seeing how far Kylo has already fallen, Luke has a fleeting moment of weakness that he immediately regrets
Disregarding that Luke attempted to kill Vader many times in RotJ
HURRR DURR NOT MUH LUKE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

calm your autism you child

Anthony Turner
Anthony Turner

It makes sense for Disney to start shilling on Sup Forums, since memes/shitposting/comments from here will spread to reddit/facebook/rest of normdom so if they stop it before it starts it's a good strategy to maintain the facade

Michael Morales
Michael Morales

Luke isnt a fucking pacifist. He kills like 20 people in the first hour of rotj

Brody Evans
Brody Evans

it kinda seems like everyone is just hung up on little things
If by "little" you mean the entire Canto Bite sequence, the entire character of Rose and fucking Super Leia then sure. Take those out and you might have a solid movie. As it stands though you have a movie with some REALLY HIGH highs and EXTREMELY LOW lows.

Colton Morales
Colton Morales

what happens when luke recounts the events?

Jason Thomas
Jason Thomas

Didn't kill Vader because he knew that doing so would seal his own fate and lead him to the dark side
Didn't kill the emperor because he straight-up wasn't strong enough to do so

Mason Jenkins
Mason Jenkins

Agreed. The casino bullshit was nothing but filler that should have been taken out. My problem is the people complaining about Luke, which is actually something that the movie got 100% right.

Andrew Foster
Andrew Foster

He ignites the sword, holds it, I don’t think he even raises it in two hands. Definitely doesn’t have that evil look on his face.

Hunter Brooks
Hunter Brooks

Of course I watched the movie, did you?
It doesn't matter which image i use it doesn't change the fact that the SW equivalent of Superman/Goku went into his nephews bedroom with the intention of murdering him in his sleep because he felt a bit shifty

This was put in the movie all because of DUDE SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS LMAO

Xavier Roberts
Xavier Roberts

oh ok, so you're just a retard then maybe

Lucas Cook
Lucas Cook

Le kylo's perspective argument.

It's the equivalency of captain america becoming a nazi regardless of the perspective.

Wyatt Clark
Wyatt Clark

This movie is the ultimate pleb filter.

Luke even said in the movie it was a ridiculous idea and expectation of Rey's (and the EU nerd legion) for him to go and fight the entire First Order with a laser sword. These plebs were literally wanting Luke to completely overshadow everything, steal the show, and beat everyone with his massive mary sue force cock. No, that's not how a good movie works, sorry kiddo.

Instead, the movie deals with the introspective mental state of Luke, his weakness, and his regrets. His last scene was pure kino and if you didn't like it, sorry but you're a pleb.

Ethan Butler
Ethan Butler

the casino stuff is absolutely integral to the movie, though. Luke's entire reason for shutting himself off from the conflict is because he feels it will never end, and that's in part caused by the types of people we see on Canto Blight who have a vested interest in seeing the wars continue to line their own pockets. It's also a reminder of what the Resistance is fighting for; there's a reason the movie ends with the stable boy.

Christian Garcia
Christian Garcia

which is actually something that the movie got 100% right.

Shut the fuck up.

He makes humiliating gags all trough the movie.
He has a scene shot like some pedophile is about to molest his nephew.
He dies from exhaustion after distracting some people for five minutes for five other people can escape.
Meanwhile a completely irrelevant character gets the most heroic death and best death scene in the entire movie and they broke all the movies logic to do it

That's how fucking awful this movie is.

kill yourself disney shill

Henry Walker
Henry Walker

It doesn't matter which image i use
Then why did you happen to conveniently use the one that doesn't fit what happened? Almost like you're arguing from a dishonest position.
Luke didn't go into his bedroom with the intention to murder him.

Carter Martin
Carter Martin

/sg/ - Shill General

Jason Ramirez
Jason Ramirez

They literally only killed him because fans wanted him to live. Disney wanted the "reaction channel" audience.
wow so shocking they killed Luke
The people at Disney have no idea what to do with the OT characters so they get rid of them and bring back the Empire vs Rebels conflict because of nostalgia. They're soft rebooting the original trilogy and adding quips and cute animals to the mix. So much wasted potential in just two movies.

James Fisher
James Fisher

two suns
Oh shit. Random thought. Is it possible that Lucas intended the Light side to be represented by sunlight (as is made obvious in later movies) and the TWIN SUNS represents Luke and Leia? Did he plan that far back?

Samuel Harris
Samuel Harris

it was a pretty long movie, Canto Bite was a small part, although I feel like people hate it for different reasons, I dislike it for being a random James Bond movie casino world in the middle of an otherwise normal Star Wars movie, other people freak out over it because it can be seen as anti capitalist

Super Leia was super weird especially because we know she needs to be killed off soon and they just refused to do it in this movie for some reason

It was a big space opera, just like its suppose to be, people are just upset that they didn't pander to fanboys and nostalgia fags by making Luke a golden hero or Rei the daughter of some ancient mystic bloodline

Jonathan Reed
Jonathan Reed

hese plebs were literally wanting Luke to completely overshadow everything, steal the show, and beat everyone with his massive mary sue force cock

They already did that with Admiral Tumblr...

introspective mental state of Luke, his weakness, and his regrets.

Regrets of fucking hack writers assassinating his character

No, that's not how a good movie works, sorry kiddo.
Yes I agree.

His last scene was pure kino and if you didn't like it,

Literally fuck off. Dual sunsets is already a Star Wars cliche.

Nathan Kelly
Nathan Kelly

He dies from exhaustion after distracting some people for five minutes for five other people can escape.
From across the entire universe. It was the coolest and most impressive thing done in the movie, in my opinion.

Carson Collins
Carson Collins

why did they have to include the shoulder brushing thing though ? made the whole scence kinda comedic.

all troughout the movie they always tried to have some kind of comedic relief even in the most intense of situations.
that was the worst thing in this movie for me.

rey cutting boulder in half and showing her raw power
oh how about letting luke reflect on that and leave her standing there ? no fucking stupid mongolod aliens get their cart destroyed just like the cabbage man in the last airbender.

it just felt so out of place most times

Asher Moore
Asher Moore

It fit, he was trying to piss Kylo Ren off to distract him. Plus, it was cool.

Kevin Taylor
Kevin Taylor

It was the coolest and most impressive thing done in the movie, in my opinion

Not it was not. It wasn't visually impressive, the most inventive they got was him doing some matrix style dodge.

It could have been visually impressive and memorable, but they ran out of budget and imagination. He got a really unceremonious ending.

Adrian Rogers
Adrian Rogers

why not just stare at him? show him hes invincible? the shoulder brushing thing was so out of place for me

Adam Ward
Adam Ward

Luke literally just completed his training as a Jedi Knight = Luke years later

Wow it's like Luke newer grow as years go by.

Thanks Disney

Connor Rogers
Connor Rogers

what the fuck did you want? Luke blowing up the entire army with his mind? Bringing down the entire fleet with the force?

Luke won without even raising a finger

Aiden Reed
Aiden Reed

The Samurai duel shot, Kylo Ren realizing he's fighting an illusion and then it cutting straight to Luke on the mountain doing the monk meditation pose was real memorable and ceremonious.

Jeremiah Bailey
Jeremiah Bailey

Reeeeee why isn't Luke a gary stu who never makes mistakes reeeeeeeee

Dylan Cox
Dylan Cox

Character grow as years go by = Gary Stu

I thought you shills were briefed what a Gary Stu is

Juan Watson
Juan Watson

Your logic is that because Luke showed mercy to vader at the end of RotJ he is never ever allowed to have a split second of weakness or doubt.

Aiden Harris
Aiden Harris

Ok enought with the shilling I will start to post Gore if you don't stop with the shilling

Aiden Lee
Aiden Lee

This movie is the ultimate pleb filter

Its was fucking trash, how does the story progress? what was the plot?
2 hours of rebels getting chased through space only to realise they can just hyperspeed ram the main ship all along to espape
Well that could have been resolved in the first 10 minutes

These plebs were literally wanting Luke to completely overshadow everything, steal the show, and beat everyone with his massive mary sue force cock

Isnt that just what Rey did in the end?

Regarding Luke, there is nothing clever about turning the main character into a mopey deconstruction. There is nothing clever about being unexpected and twisty just because you can. Especially when it doesn't lead to anything interesting.

The movie deals with the introspective mental state of Luke

Honestly this is starting to read like a DCuck Snyder thread

William Ward
William Ward

broke all the logic of all the movies
fuck off brainlet

Hyperspace collisions, whether they be intentional or by accident, could devastate or even destroy a planet. Considering the fact that the output of the reactors of many Capital ships rivaled or eclipsed that of a star, and that the energies needed to make hyperspace travel possible were vast, one could unleash a great deal of destructive power on a target. Even if a planet had its planetary shielding up at the time of a hyperspace collision, it could still have the potential to kill millions on a world such as Coruscant just due to the fallout.[4] One of the more famous hyperspace accidents occurred during the Clone Wars, when the battlecruiser Quaestor collided with the Separatist planet Pammant, fracturing it to its core.[5]

Xavier Barnes
Xavier Barnes

I'm not shilling for the entire movie. It's very flawed. But Luke was handled excellently and I will fight to death over this.

Leo Young
Leo Young

yes he literally isn't allowed sneaking into child bedrooms and looming over whether to kill them, like some sick fucking pedophile

this is not some random thought that passed trough his head it's contrived storytelling that even lessens Kylo's character

Lincoln Perez
Lincoln Perez

this is not some random thought that passed trough his head
Actually, it literally is. That's exactly what happened. And bear in mind he went to "creepily" stalk his bedroom after he had already started getting manipulated by Snoke.

Ian James
Ian James

If i could see flags i could tell if it was a real shill or pretend shill. I am going with australian.

Juan Bell
Juan Bell

young luke was optimistic and energetic. old Luke feared Kylo would be a repeat of Vader, except there is also in the back of his mind "i stopped the biggest baddest evil ever and it cost me my young adulthood and every ounce of cunning, will, and power I had and I only just scraped by, by having them realise they weren't 100% evil"

yeah sure if you saw the possibility of that happening again and you knew a quick button press would allow all of it to vanish, you wouldnt even consider it. brainlet.

Jonathan Taylor
Jonathan Taylor

Are you fucking retarded? That's thw fucking problem. Why don't you just hyper drive ram everything with junk ships and droid pilots? Literally every space battle in all the movies have been pointless since you can just hyper drive ram them

Jace Ramirez
Jace Ramirez

Luke’s death was kino and anyone who says otherwise is a contrarian

staring into a dual sunset the same way his adventure began
clouds pushing their way over the suns to imply his death is coming
that fucking music swell
dies looking senere and dignified, knowing he redeemed himself

This movie is like 50% garbage and 50% genius, I legit almost shed a tear realizing I was about to see Luke die

Hunter Lopez
Hunter Lopez

Shitposting ironically in this thread.

Kayden Richardson
Kayden Richardson

go back to sleep ben, i'm just testing out my killing weapon in the middle of the night as i stare at you

Jose Wright
Jose Wright

He had sensed darkness within Kylo already so he went into his room to read his mind/emotions. He had seen how far Snoke had already corrupted him and thought for a second "maybe I can take him out now and save more lives" but he instantly knew it was a fucked up thing to do and regretted it

the scene where Luke is standing over him, blade drawn and an expression that looks like he's thirsting for blood is from Kylo's own perspective where he has an interest in misremembering events in order to justify his turn to the dark side

Ayden Campbell
Ayden Campbell

cares more about his dad than nephew

well, i dunno about you guys but I care way more about my dad. I have nephews that could die and I'd only feel bad for my brother/sister because they are going through a tragic loss.

If my dad died i'd honestly contemplate suicide before trying to live the rest of my life how he would have wanted me to.

Christopher Lewis
Christopher Lewis

different way of having the classic character last stand before death
Everyone and their mother wanted this and no one would have complained.

Brayden Reed
Brayden Reed

Something dumb from the old canon that got wiped out with all the rest of it with the Disney buyout
For whatever reason Disney decides to bring it back in the new canon and put it in one of the main movies so that it's impossible to ignore how stupid it is

William Cox
William Cox

whole point of Luke is that he's not Obi-Wan or Vader, he's his own man and will create a new Jedi order with a fresh new take on the Force
The ending is absolutely perfect because Luke pulls an Obi-Wan

Kys, shill.

Nicholas Walker
Nicholas Walker

This movie is like 50% garbage and 50% genius
Exactly. Luke, Rey and Kylo = Genius
Poe = Eh
Finn and Rose = Shit

Ian Walker
Ian Walker

Kylo-"Did you come here to aplogize"
Luke -"What me , i dindu nuffin"

Mason Johnson
Mason Johnson

It would have been okay for Luke to have a split second of weakness or doubt but that's an incredibly generic thing to say. It could mean anything from taking a year to meditate to decapitating Kylo Ren in a fit of rage.
What sucks is that Luke's failure is a regression of his heroic journey. It wasn't a new problem that he faced and faltered with. It was something that happened before with his literal murder dad, but Luke failed to overcome an arguably easier obstacle. It was a deconstruction of the hero that only grew more wise and good with each movie in the OT.
You can argue how people don't stay the same for a decade or whatever, but Luke isn't a person. He was a fairy tale hero for a childish story. Which is why some people are mad. What they did with Luke is unarguably dis-constructive, for better or for worse.
Not him btw.

Caleb Bailey
Caleb Bailey

everyone posting different opinions to reddit are shills

sounds like normal Sup Forums to me and not this bizzaro "haha fug EA for battdrumpf 2! TLJ is trash cus ma luke die :((( *begins waiting for reddits next big opinion to repeat on Sup Forums*"

David Anderson
David Anderson

best part is when he goes "nothin personnel kid".

Asher Wood
Asher Wood

*Brushes off shoulder*

"See ya later kid!"

*Disappears into the force*

Joseph Green
Joseph Green

Durr, if it was possible, why didn't everyone just constantly crash airships into buildings? I don't buy 9/11

Adrian White
Adrian White

It's what I wanted and was expecting, but what I got was much better. Bravo.

Adam Foster
Adam Foster

yeah, thats an actual Marvel storyline you fucking sperg and it was rated incredibly well.

just google captain america heil hydra.

Ian Sullivan
Ian Sullivan

whole point of Luke is that he's not Obi-Wan or Vader, he's his own man and will create a new Jedi order with a fresh new take on the Force
This is why I can't take the people that hated Luke in this movie seriously. They're facing him with their bullshit expanded universe version because of video games and novels.

Cameron Brooks
Cameron Brooks

COMMANDA HYPERDRIVE ALL DA SHIT AND RAM THE MATHAFUCKAS

Lucas Rodriguez
Lucas Rodriguez

See ya arround kid
*dies*
Kylo will never have is revenge on the master that fucked him
why even live

Noah Thompson
Noah Thompson

wow..brilliant storytelling. What completely non contrived bullshit in order to justify the drama. He quickly changed his mind, but remained in that position long enough for Kylo to see him it was all just a big misunderstanding. Just like my mexican soap operas

FUCK OFF

It's still character assassination, and completely misunderstanding the character. Being blind , arrogant and failing a student like Obi Wan is failure enough and good paralel too . But no the last white male protagonist of the saga had to be completely humiliated so they make him do humiliating gags and made him want to murder his own pupil. And he redeems himself by a cheap trick that's 1000 times less impressive than what tumblr self insert got

Aaron Moore
Aaron Moore

they broke all the movies logic to do it

Hyperspace collisions, whether they be intentional or by accident, could devastate or even destroy a planet. Considering the fact that the output of the reactors of many Capital ships rivaled or eclipsed that of a star, and that the energies needed to make hyperspace travel possible were vast, one could unleash a great deal of destructive power on a target. Even if a planet had its planetary shielding up at the time of a hyperspace collision, it could still have the potential to kill millions on a world such as Coruscant just due to the fallout.[4] One of the more famous hyperspace accidents occurred during the Clone Wars, when the battlecruiser Quaestor collided with the Separatist planet Pammant, fracturing it to its core.[5]

brainlet.

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

It's about as contrived as anything that happened in the original trilogy. I believe your issue is nostalgia goggles.

Caleb Barnes
Caleb Barnes

Character assassination
He had a mistake, redeems himself and ends his arc in a bad ass creative way
Nope. Character assassination would have been him doing le epic ultra jedi 2k kill takedown, which is what I'm suspecting the majority of reddit normies in this board wanted.

Ian Martinez
Ian Martinez

It's about as contrived as anything that happened in the original trilogy

Explain moments that are as contrived as this please.

David James
David James

Nope it was pure shit. The director shows off about going against all expectations but that was to a detriment of the film. Luke never really shown any signs of being a pacifist and even at that he didn't really do a good job of it. Why leave the map if he never wanted to be found? Why even acknowledge Rey at all? He must have know what would happen if he did. Why not let Kylo actually strike him down if that's what he told him?

Never even mind the whole hour long chase shit, the film is a mess.

Landon Bailey
Landon Bailey

shills aren't real they said

Jackson Nelson
Jackson Nelson

Thats it exactly, it's out of an HBO serial, its made for TV garbage

Eli Foster
Eli Foster

Right at the beginning of A New Hope, when the empire lets a single unmanned escape pod go through because there are no life forms, even though droids have existed for centuries.

Angel Murphy
Angel Murphy

Wait wait, are u telling me that the same Luke that lost his shit fighting his father when he threatens to turn her sister to the dark side, had A MOMENT OF DOUBT when he saw Kylo's mind and I quote (more or less) "I saw he was going to kill everything that I loved" implying probably Han Solo's death or Leia's? MUH LUKE? CHARCTER AZZAZINATION GAISS!!

Noah Allen
Noah Allen

No just no

He exiled himself because he wasn't at peace
Died while his greatest failure and reason for exile was screaming that he'd kill him, his sister, and the only girl he's seen in 10 years.

There was 0 reason to end his story here as he ABSOLUTELY did no die peacefully. Had he left the planet to face his demons that would have been one thing, but no he stayed on the fucking planet meaning he still has fucking issues.

Symbolically the "Ghost of Luke" was with them the entire time and was the motivational factor so having him show up a force spook does not symbolically work for him getting over his issues

Adam Wright
Adam Wright

it's more alike to Rashomon, in that different people perceive the same events differently in order to suit their own agendas

but it's not like any of you fucking brainlets know what that is

Jason Martinez
Jason Martinez

No he refused, that's why he tossed aside his weapon. That's why big daddy Vader manned up and did it himself.

Camden Thompson
Camden Thompson

What were kamikaze

Blake Perez
Blake Perez

It's perfect, too. Since George Lucas was heavily inspired by Kurosawa when he made the first Star War movies.
We're the only non brainlets in this fucking board, user. Reddit has taken over.

Nolan Richardson
Nolan Richardson

Where did you get the idea that people wanted Luke to ruin the sequel trilogy by destroying and killing every major villain in the second movie??

Austin Peterson
Austin Peterson

Luke does his ebin sacrifice
The entire thing wouldn't work without force goddess mary sue

YASSS SLAY QUEEEN
100% pure garbage

John Martinez
John Martinez

to be fair you need to have high cinematic IQ to understand the last jedi

The problem isn't that it's like Rashomon you dumb fuck, the problem it's that it's contrived storytelling that's too cheap even for mexican soap operas.

John Adams
John Adams

single manned star ships can destroy a star or planet in hyper kamikaze collisions
BBBut why doesnt everyone do it?!?!)!?! checkmate!!!1

Samuel Gomez
Samuel Gomez

See:

Jaxon Williams
Jaxon Williams

The Last Jedi pseuds are the worst fucking pseuds, good fucking god

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

I hope Mike agrees with me that Luke was great in this movie. Not only would it make me feel good because he would agree with me, it would also continue the streak of Mike pissing off Sup Forums plebs with his non reddit opinion of Star Wars.

Camden Adams
Camden Adams

So many people just wanted the same old Luke. What they fail to realize is that Luke is representing a human with extraordinary abilities. He still has to wrestle with human weakness, insecurity and the fear of failure. When he looked into Kylo he saw an evil so powerful it was unlike anything he had seen before. Luke panicked to save the Jedi order and that is why he confronted Kylo. He didn’t get that moment to try and kill Kylo until he was actually in his hut.

Henry Perry
Henry Perry

Here's how you do it:
Luke reunites with Kylo and Rey, there's tension between all three
they're confronted by Snoke and his goons
Luke struggles with Snoke and is overwhelmed, he contains him as he can to give them time to escape
knowing it's his end, he turns around and throws his lightsaber to Kylo, giving his life and redeeming himself *goes full obiwan*
Rey and Kylo flee
Kylo's arc completes, finally tilting to the light side *queue badass moment with kylo turning on the green lightsaber*
they work together and study the jedi books to prepare for the last battle in episode IX
>Rey pulls an Anakin in episode IX

Sebastian Nelson
Sebastian Nelson

Nah. Preferring a different way for Luke to die in a last stand doesn't mean Luke also manages to kill everyone in a super epic badass way.

Luis Green
Luis Green

I didn't talk about killing everyone, I talked about people wanting him to do a multiple takedown before death when what he actually did was more impressive and satisfying.

Ian Thompson
Ian Thompson

Thinking Empire is the best Star Wars film and a flawless masterpiece is literally the most reddit opinion you could have of Star Wars.

Levi Thomas
Levi Thomas

there's plot holes in the movie
this is the big problem
Rey who seemed to be the most powerful Jedi turned into just another Jedi, all the power she had disappeared from one movie to another
Finn plot there was nothing that added in to the history
Poe was the hero in the previous film and the complete idiot in last jedy
don't trust in critics

Aaron Cooper
Aaron Cooper

It should have been visually a lot more effective and more impactful than just buying five minutes for ten people to get away.

oh it was a cheap trick
see ya around kid
*dies
no one knows what the fuck happened
next thing we know this even inspired a new generation of rebellion

The writers are so fucking bad, and people who think this poorly thought out shit is *deep* are the worst fucking pseudointelectuals good lord

Jaxon Wood
Jaxon Wood

That scene should've been Luke deflecting all those laser bolts. It's not even outside of his skill to do so.

Justin Perez
Justin Perez

Yes he did die peacefully. He saved the Resistence and gave birth to the new Rebels. Luke was the hero in this one.

Zachary Bailey
Zachary Bailey

haha he posted the same thing twice hes a shill for disney haha

this is old star wars stuff. not Disney.

Kevin Allen
Kevin Allen

How was Luke buying time for 10 people to survive more impressive than what happened in the first movie of blowing up Star Killer base? Or what Laura Dern did? That wasn't enough to inspire anyone but Luke pulling a cheap gag on Kylo Ren solved everything.

The writing in this fucking movie is sooo fucking terrible

Isaiah Sullivan
Isaiah Sullivan

2nd most evil person in the galaxy ,no no there's good in him i can save him
my nephew who is having some dark thoughts, shhh only dreams now
Character regression

Ryder Wright
Ryder Wright

But what he did was much more impressive, though? You people are genuinely so clueless.

Jackson Ramirez
Jackson Ramirez

He nearly kills Vader to a way bigger extent than he "nearly" kills Kylo, which would actually never have happened and was just one small moment of doubt. And no, he wasn't dramatically getting his light saber ready to kill Kylo. That was Kylo's perspective.
But you know this, it's been said multiple times in this thread. You're purposefully misrepresenting the scene and being intellectually dishonest. For what purpose, I can only imagine.

Tyler Ramirez
Tyler Ramirez

it was minimalistic so it was good xDDDD

kys pseud

No it wasn't . It wasn't an impressive feat that will fuel anti-empire propaganda by any means. Shit many more impressive feats happened in this movie and the last one. wooow he tricked Kylo Ren for five minutes what a badass. Poes joke phone call had the same fucking effect. JFC this movie is so bad and you're such a pseud.

whatever he did should have been the highpoint of the film. but it landed with no effect, and some random tumblr self insert stole the show by breaing all the established logic already

Zachary Sullivan
Zachary Sullivan

No the entire reason for his exile did not change. He never came to terms with it and the reason for his exile was showing that he had fallen even further.

It would be like the ghost of your father telling you that "you are a failure" and "he should have had you aborted" on your death bed. Nothing peacful about that shit

Ian Long
Ian Long

It dosent matter witch perspective it was you're being told by this shaddy guy that the jedi are liars and hypocrites and one day you wake up and see your master/uncle with a lightsaber on looking at you what would you do, literally fuck luke

Sebastian Richardson
Sebastian Richardson

Exactly! Luke had seen this before and confronted Kylo the same way he confronted Vader. Face to face, hence why Luke didn’t strike him down while he slept. Just because we didn’t see these sort of weak moments of Luke in the OT didn’t mean they were not there. The point is he did not act on them because he is better than that.

Oliver Garcia
Oliver Garcia

Projecting an illusion of yourself across the universe is not impressive
Whatever you say

Wyatt Butler
Wyatt Butler

Yes you stupid fuck, holy shit the shills really are stupid.

Luis Hill
Luis Hill

That scene only existed to sell rebel rings as toys

Robert Flores
Robert Flores

think jedis are mythical across the galaxy
hear legend of luke skywalker
just stories
Luke emerges after a 30/40(?) year hiatus
all remaining members of the Resistance along with (what we assume) is majority of the first order, along with top commanders/generals/sargeants etc. literally see 'mythical' Luke survive 8383484728288336 blaster shots.

How would that not instill a sense of hope/shock/disbeleif/amazement?

FO officers will mention this toothers, potentially pushing people away from the FO. Resistance members are going to tell the tale of their last stand and how in their final moments a Godlike Luke saved them.

it's like, we the audience know Luke is an illusion. but atleast 99% off the witnesses actually there think it was really luke.

William White
William White

Nigger, that's in the MOVIES. He goes against Yoda and Obi-Wan, who wanted him to kill Vader.

Ryder Rivera
Ryder Rivera

it's fucking not, everyone does this when they talk trough holograph phone
there was no one there to witness it or understand what's going on

his death failed on multiple levels, because it was not nearly impressive enough to fule a new rebellion like the movie implies. And in filmmaking terms, it's not effective enough to make the moment that memorable. They could have showed his "spirit" or whatever traveling accross the galaxy or his strain while doing it.But they didn't. Audiovisually a lot more interesting and trippy things happened in the movie, ofc the best one being the nonsensical problem glasses heroic death.

James Thomas
James Thomas

It's 100% correct actually

Christopher Powell
Christopher Powell

Why doesn't every murderer just use a suicide bomb vest?

Adam Peterson
Adam Peterson

The entire movie should have been only Rey, Luke and Ben and it would have been much better.

Ryan Watson
Ryan Watson

yeah the people who witnessed Luke didn't know he was an illusion. they literally saw a guy get shot thousands of times, stabbed by a lightsaber and live.

Nathaniel Scott
Nathaniel Scott

Because that would kill the murderer in the process
A hyper kamikaze ram could easily be done remotely or with a droid

Matthew Fisher
Matthew Fisher

True

Andrew Martin
Andrew Martin

Luke was in exile because he lost hope. His hope was restored when he learned to Accept his failures no matter how great and do what is right (conversation with Yoda). Luke did what was right and saved everyone. In turn, he also saved himself from the bondage of guilt. Luke’s final lesson.

Gabriel Green
Gabriel Green

You're missing the fact that since Leia and Han left Ben to him Luke was basically raising him as if he was his own son.

Adrian Martin
Adrian Martin

After some thought, The Last Jedi is becoming one of the most intriguing films in recent years for me. Luke's decision to kill his own nephew is bottled down to the fact that he was afraid of another Vader rising and going on a killing spree of innocents all around the galaxy. Considering it was his own nephew that Snoke seduced, Luke believed that there would be severe consequences if Ben succeeded with Snoke because after all Ben is connected to the Skywalkers and he knows the how many problems the Skywalkers have had with dark forces.

James Morales
James Morales

It’s not about whats more impressive but what is equally important. Those 10 people were the last of the resistance, if they died the resistance dies and the First Order is victorious in wiping them out.

Nicholas Gutierrez
Nicholas Gutierrez

as if Sup Forums wouldn't have complained about literally anything happening

John Young
John Young

They're soft rebooting the original trilogy and adding quips and cute animals to the mix
they were already some cute animals in the OT, Ewoks were there mostly to sell toys. But otherwise you're right, TLJ had quite a lot of scenes from TESB and RotJ.
I think they even acknowledged it on not-Hoth when one of the soldier 'tastes' the salt and says 'it's salt, not snow, so we're not exactly re-enacting one of the most iconic battle of the franchise, ahah'
poetry

Landon Fisher
Landon Fisher

Same. I don't think I enjoy this movie that much. It's very flawed. But at the same time it tried so many interesting things. I give them kudos for going in this direction.

James Watson
James Watson

There is 0 evidence that Luke accepted his failures he was still in the same stage he was when was talking with teh rey and if he did accept his failure he would leave the fucking island

Jaxon Perry
Jaxon Perry

This.

And so what if it was an "illusion"? It was basically a spin on Astral Projection, not a hologram. There was no smoke and mirrors, no machinery, no technology. Luke was so connected to the force that he projected himself across the galaxy through pure force of will and stopped an entire battalion of the First Order just by being there, and last the last bastion of the rebellion that remained.

People like you depress me. This is the kind of movie that asks you to lose yourself in the emotion of the moment, but instead you lose yourself in misguided expectations.

What did you really want from this? Did you want Luke to crash down in his OG X-Wing and start taking down stormtroopers left and right then pound Kylo into submission? You want this from the same Luke who refused to execute Darth Vader and fight back against the Emperor in Return of the Jedi?

It's sad that this movie carries on the spirit of the originals so perfectly only for it to turn out that everyone forgot the spirit of the originals after all.

Aiden Gutierrez
Aiden Gutierrez

he would leave the fucking island
How? The x-wing was submerged for years and Rey had left him. Dumbass.

Tyler Bailey
Tyler Bailey

Not my problem

Sebastian Collins
Sebastian Collins

Don't worry, Luke will be back as Force ghost in Ep.9 , cheering on Rey as she takes out the remainings of the First Order with the Force
yaaaas slay queeeen!

Luis Taylor
Luis Taylor

After trying pretty hard to strike a peaceful seal.

Cooper Hall
Cooper Hall

But it is your problem. It shuts down that stupid argument. Luke had no way to save them other than projecting himself across the galaxy at the cost of his life, which he did and it was awesome.

Anthony Morris
Anthony Morris

They didn't intend on them being related until RotJ.

Jacob Martinez
Jacob Martinez

He did leave the island in spirit. He confronted his sister after all these years and saved the Rebels, giving hope to the universe.

"Evidence"... christ, what the actual fuck are you on about? The "evidence" is in the subtext, the "evidence" is in the emotion of the scenes. You really need a film to spell absolutely everything out for you?

Brandon Anderson
Brandon Anderson

when in the flying fuck would you see this kind of weakness in the OT Luke? fought Vader got his ass whipped, then got i your fathered, jumped off the tower to get away. RofJ he turns him self in to vader, gets into the fight with vader, hides, sister comment, beats down vader, then throws his lightsaber away, then the begging starts. At no point in time that OT Luke would been able to sneak attack Vader or to even think about it. hell everyone of his teachers tells to forget about saving Vader and straight up kill him and tells them to fuck off too the point that they seriously start thinking about the backup plan

Connor Phillips
Connor Phillips

No it doesn't it just shows inadequacy in the writing and lack of symbolic understanding at a fundamental level. What should happen and what did happen are two different things

Luke was already with everyone in spirit aka his light saber. Everyone wanted him and was using it to progress throughout the first movie. Him returning in spirit is redundant and has no impact what so ever because he has been there in everyones mind

Nicholas Rodriguez
Nicholas Rodriguez

Yeah it's almost like he was wrong and then learned something and grew as a character by sparing Vader. This movie deleted his whole arc from the archive memory to shoehorn him into being Yoda.

Oliver Peterson
Oliver Peterson

It's sad that this movie carries on the spirit of the originals so perfectly only for it to turn out that everyone forgot the spirit of the originals after all

Oh please fuck off. Force powers people remember from the original is lifting the x-wing and force lightning. This was really fucking gay and visually unimpressive. Literally anything could be better,even him crashing a mountain on the stormtroopers path would be better

Jace Robinson
Jace Robinson

it's just Sup Forums being contrarian. In about a week they will be declaring this kino and the best SW of all time.

Ryder Price
Ryder Price

No, no lifting x-wing and lightning and mind-controlling people is totally legit. Illusions though? fuck off that's fucking stupid

Matthew Reed
Matthew Reed

the SW equivalent of Superman/Goku went into his nephews bedroom with the intention of murdering him in his sleep because he felt a bit shifty
I wouldn't put it past Goku to do that.
The fucker has put dozens of universes at risk just for the sake of enjoying a good fight.

Brandon King
Brandon King

WHAT
ARE
THEY
GOING
TO
DO
FIRE
ME?

Leo Green
Leo Green

This was really fucking gay and visually unimpressive. Literally anything could be better,even him crashing a mountain on the stormtroopers path would be better
This was easily the most "normie" thing I have read this whole thread

Carter Morris
Carter Morris

Wrong pic

Evan Robinson
Evan Robinson

Also why didn't Luke or Rey or Ben have the blue fucking aura? They were force projections weren't they?

Julian King
Julian King

You got disproven. It's not bad writing.

Easton Howard
Easton Howard

As a matter of fact, it's happening here right now. In this thread.

Nicholas Davis
Nicholas Davis

The Lightsaber wasn't Luke's, it was Anakin's. Luke probably abandoned the lightsaber he made long ago considering how ready he was to throw away the lightsaber when Rey handed it to him.

That being said the lightsaber wasn't there with the rebels the entire movie because Rey had it, so i'm not sure what you're on about with it.

Sebastian Hall
Sebastian Hall

This guy gets it.
It wasnt a perfect movie (Finn and Rose scenes especially) but it definitely didn’t give us status quo, which was what most people were thinking.
It was hard for us to see Luke wrestle with being human, but it payed off.

Jason Clark
Jason Clark

I think the poster you're replying to is implying that the people that think this movie was anything but shit are Disney shills.

Kayden James
Kayden James

How do words work?

Jacob Long
Jacob Long

It wasn't Lukes
Everyone refers to it as Lukes light saber
I've seen this shit in cancer patients just give it a few more stages

Jaxon Barnes
Jaxon Barnes

But he's not fired, he'll come back in some capacity in the next movie. Which makes the decision of killing him off before the trilogy is over more stupid than ever.

William Turner
William Turner

DUUUDE

MINIMALISM LMAO

THIS IS A SUBTLE ART FILM

EXCEPT 90% OF IT IS CGI PEW PEW AND CGI FANTASY ANIMALS THAT ONLY EXIST TO SELL TOYS

BUT THIS IS 250 MILLION ART FILM AND THE MINIMALISM WAS TOTALLY FITTING WHEN WE WENT ALL THE WAY WITH OTHER HEROIC IMPACTFUL DEATHS

Robert Moore
Robert Moore

Rey and Ben were seeing each other through mental connections, it wasn't a projection. As for Luke, his projection is different from ghost projections, since he wasn't dead when he made it.

Adam Young
Adam Young

better for sure

Jaxson Morales
Jaxson Morales

the fanbase this movie gathered is so cancerous and pseud

ofc they hate all the other Star Wars movies but this was art .

Josiah Ortiz
Josiah Ortiz

Welcome to an average day on /v/. Sucks dosn't it?

Grayson Cruz
Grayson Cruz

Yeah, and I'm telling you it's Sup Forums being fucking retarded for free.

Dominic Long
Dominic Long

So your telling me Yoda, Obi, and all keep their physical form in the force?

Also if Snort can link Kylo and Rey why can't he find Rey? I mean Luke managed to find them just fine and Snuf was appearently touching Rey in the force

Nathaniel Campbell
Nathaniel Campbell

No, that's precisely what he proves in RotJ by sparing Vader you fucking idiot.

Easton Anderson
Easton Anderson

This.

I feel like people are hating this movie so much just because it betrayed their expectation and took Luke Skywalker away from being a flawless superhero and into a real human being.

So much non-cannon lore has happened between this movie and RotJ that it was bound to happen. The same way people are butthurt that Snoke turned out to just be a bitch because everyone was making fan theories on how he was the original Sith and shit like that.

Ryder Miller
Ryder Miller

I don't think you quite get the gravity of this retarded decision.

You've just learned that it is possible to attach an engine to something and utilize it as a weapon equivalent to the top military equipment in the galaxy.

Secondly, there are droids and auto-pilot.

This doesn't just make hyperspace kamikaze's powerful.

it actively makes the death star, the second death star, the star killer base, the dreadnaught, the executor, snoke's ship, and every other capital class ship, and every planet in the galaxy vulnerable to any backwater Watto ass junk selling motherfucker and turns four of the star wars movies into something of complete and utter economic stupidity.

What's the point in a deathstar when you can just weaponise any of one a thousand asteroids in the galaxy?

Christopher Butler
Christopher Butler

the dialogues are worse than past season 4 Got what happened?

Christopher Davis
Christopher Davis

He dies from exhaustion from across the entire universe.
And why the hell Snoke doesn't die for the same reason? he CONNECTS Kylo and Rey to the point that they touch each other. That was a so much bigger effort than creating your image with the force.

Landon Martinez
Landon Martinez

I knew this was a true art film for art connoisseurs at the first your mom joke

Evan Reyes
Evan Reyes

Luke Skywalker
Flawless superhero

Jeremiah Ward
Jeremiah Ward

But Rey and Kylo were already connected to each other, and they only saw themselves to each other. Luke fooled the entire Order.

Anthony Lopez
Anthony Lopez

The forced humor was bad on purpose. Rian was showcasing how ill fitting marvel humor can ruin good dramatic moments. He was forced to put in jokes by Disney and he made them as bad as possible. This is meta filmmaking about the pressures of making a star wars film

Kayden Perez
Kayden Perez

It's fine for Luke to make mistakes. This was not a mistake Luke would have believably made.
Your faith in your friends is your weakness
The Emperor was totally right about this, Luke was always naive and too trusting. It worked out for him in RotJ but if they wanted him to be a fuckup in the sequels, the nature of his critical mistake should've been based on his actual weakness, not by introducing new ones like paranoia and cowardice which were not in his character before.

Josiah Cook
Josiah Cook

and took Luke Skywalker away from being a flawless superhero

Literal shill speak. If you're going to post for Disney you've got to change your words up a little because you're all using the exact same descriptions and replies. Every single one.

Easton Powell
Easton Powell

There's no such thing as a light side in Lucas' movies.

Colton Nelson
Colton Nelson

It's because they're legitimate critics and apply to you. You hate them because you've been found out.

Luke Clark
Luke Clark

Luke Skywalker away from being a flawless superhero and into a real human being.

I think you mean it took him away from a character who's whole thing was always believing there was good in someone and turned him into the jaded mentor that for some reason isn't a stereotype by now.

Robert Hill
Robert Hill

His criticism applies to all 3 versions of the event that we see in the movie, "it's Rashomon dummy" is not a rebuttal.

Jayden Adams
Jayden Adams

He considered killing his young nephew because he might be into the dark side.
He had a reaction to seeing what Kylo Ren would become (something we haven't even seen yet) but instantly felt ashamed. He felt ashamed for thinking it was a good idea to kill baby Hitler after seeing the Holohoax. Pretty in line with his character.

For the record, I think a sequel trilogy was a mistake, and they should have just done something completely different, but considering that decision was made, Luke's arc is pretty fitting.

Hudson Hall
Hudson Hall

But they're not "legit critics" they're literally shills in every meaning of the word utilizing the same word patterns post for post as told by their employer. Luke coupled with superhero is being thrown around way too much for it just to be misinformed disneyfags.

Noah Perez
Noah Perez

Those who can’t do, teach.
Those who can’t teach, administrate.
Those who can’t administrate, critique.

Justin Allen
Justin Allen

Those who don't swallow, gargle

Sebastian Cruz
Sebastian Cruz

Those who can't critique, use their jewish blood to get a comfy high paying job and ruin everything

Nathan Ross
Nathan Ross

Its not a conclusion to the character. Youve seen this shit with Yoda and ObiWan.

Henry Edwards
Henry Edwards

This is why you have to take your shoes off and go through long, tedious screening processes to board a plane now you fucking retard

Ryder Brown
Ryder Brown

the entire Canto Bite sequence
agreed. I think it was a good idea to do some world building, but the execution was terrible. It wasn't a huge part of the movie though.
the entire character of Rose
My only real gripe is that she didn't die, and Canto whatever was poorly executed. Would have been a cool weight on Finn's shoulders in IX.
Super Leia
Jarring and shitty sequence, but also plausible in that surviving in space like that isn't sci-fi. I wish they had let her die, it would have been better, but it would have required cutting a lot of her scenes or doing a massive reshoot to work them in before the bridge explosion.

Christopher Sullivan
Christopher Sullivan

Then there's you here, critiquing the critics. Where do you fall on your little list?

Eli Adams
Eli Adams

No, it's not. He didn't even consider killing Vader, an already grown up Space Hilter.

Christian Hall
Christian Hall

GIVE ME TITTY ALIEN MILK

Leo Lopez
Leo Lopez

Yeah, and before? Or did 9/11 invent the concept of terrorism?

Levi Perez
Levi Perez

The grand exit of Luke had the same effect as the Poe gag at the beginning of the movie.

You can circlejerk all you want but it was pretty clear the director hated Luke, Mark , or Both.

Why make him do the titty scenes otherwise?

Jacob Gonzalez
Jacob Gonzalez

He didn't even consider killing Vader
He did, though.

Chase Lewis
Chase Lewis

because he felt a bit shifty
Luke saw the horrors Kylo Ren would cimmit. A bit more than "a bit shifty." Even having seen that he only draws his blade as an instinctive reaction, and then instantly feels ashamed.

Liam Martinez
Liam Martinez

Ayyy the ironic posts are starting already. Can’t wait

Ian Hill
Ian Hill

Awwww, did it hurt your sensitive little pussy? Do something with your life besides telling other people how they should feel about commercial products, fag.

Oliver Perez
Oliver Perez

Worst thing is they couldn't think of anything legit to do with Luke so they just ripped all 3 of the force ghosts and used them for Luke

Anakin's edge = Luke thinking about killing Ben in his sleep
Hermit Yoda = Luke retreating after failing just like Yoda after he lost to Sheev
Obi-Wan Sacrafice = buying time for the rebels then fading away after his task is complete

And some people are saying the film is bold and "different" fucking hacks.

Andrew Perry
Andrew Perry

100% agree with all of these, if you didn't have Rose, the casino planet, or the Leia/purple hair admiral shit it'd have been good.

Carter Scott
Carter Scott

He had much more reason to want Vader dead, he was responsible or complicit in literally EVERY bad thing that happened to Luke, and presented a clear and present physical danger to him and his friends. Even then, when they leave Endor together Luke tells Vader he knows there's still good in him. He ultimately redeemed Vader and that should've informed his actions over the next ~20 years.
He basically just found Stormfront in Ben's search history though, and his very first instinct is to consider killing him in his sleep instead of talking about it. It's not at all in line with his character.

Jack Brown
Jack Brown

He didn't though. He was angry at the end of a heated fight, but he immeadiately stopped himself. The old, wise Luke should never even consider killing his nephew.

Kayden Martin
Kayden Martin

Was literally about to kill Vader in RotJ before the Emperor taunted him.

Nah yeah you're right Luke never thought about it.

Benjamin Fisher
Benjamin Fisher

He basically just found Stormfront in Ben's search history though
Actually, he just had a vision of him being Hitler.

Levi Cox
Levi Cox

adding quips and cute animals
Both of these were all over the place in the OT.

Anthony Campbell
Anthony Campbell

Stay mad loser, lol

Liam Gomez
Liam Gomez

pointing a sword to a guy that can fuck you up with his mind
was gonna kill him
If he wanted Vader dead he would have just done it.

Angel Cook
Angel Cook

confirmed never watched RoTJ

Luke paused after winning and before Sheev tried to make him kill Vader. Not the action of a person "literally about to kill Vader"

Angel Baker
Angel Baker

Why do people assume that Luke was referring to Vader when he said about seeing that kind of power before? Wouldn't it make more sense that he was referring to Sheev given that a) Sheev was more powerful than Vader and b) was way more evil than Vader?

Benjamin Brooks
Benjamin Brooks

There was SO much they could have done with his character in training Rey.

Evan Torres
Evan Torres

Question, since Carrie Fisher is dead but Leia is still alive, what happens to her in the third film?

Are they going to CGI her or kill her offscreen? Either is a terrible option. They should have killed her in the film as well.

Brody Hall
Brody Hall

He could fly through space like Leia. come to think of it there have been dozens of occasions where flight would be a great Jedi™ power to have, now that we know it's possible, and in the vacuum of space no less, seems silly not to use it all the time.

Tyler Sullivan
Tyler Sullivan

And some people are saying the film is bold and "different" fucking hacks.
Yeah, I don't get this either. Granted, I haven't seen the movie yet, so I couldn't say for sure, but it sounds to me like it hits most of the same story beats as ESB does, re-ordered slightly, and with a bit of ROTJ thrown in.
The whole Canto Bight subplot especially sounds like a shitty version of Cloud City.

Grayson Perry
Grayson Perry

kill her off between movies
film starts with her funeral
Poe cracking jokes during the whole tihng

Hudson Bell
Hudson Bell

Did you watch RotJ? Vader was on his knees fending Luke off as he was hammering him with his lightsaber. He chopped off his hand sure, but every strike was aiming as Vader's body, any one of them could have killed him if he failed to block it.

Seriously, go back and watch it. The entire point of that scene, one of the most famous scenes in all of Star Wars, was that Luke was in conflict.

Cooper Reed
Cooper Reed

OP is not a faggot

Ethan Barnes
Ethan Barnes

Look, I'm not gonna defend the Super Leia shit, it was stupid.

With that said, it's one thing to fly from an explosion to a ship right next to it and to fly across the entire universe. Come on, son.

Dylan Murphy
Dylan Murphy

it hits most of the same story beats as ESB does, re-ordered slightly, and with a bit of ROTJ thrown in

It's literally that I'm not even kidding.

Mason Murphy
Mason Murphy

He DID consider it, but then he stopped himself.

Landon Thomas
Landon Thomas

God you're pathetic

Brayden Johnson
Brayden Johnson

MOMMY

MOMMY

MOOOMMMMYYY

Jeremiah Howard
Jeremiah Howard

The ending is absolutely perfect, a perfect conclusion to Luke's character
You are a nigger in spirit, soul and intellect.

Oliver Hall
Oliver Hall

that ending was contrived as fuck

luke comes in, doesn't tell anyone that he's a hologram and doesn't tell them he's buying them time. So everyone just stands around and wait, while Finn and Rose drag themselves in the middle of the battlefield and nobody cares. And then they arrive and Poe says "oh he's buying us time!" then they all rush like it's some kind of race

Joseph Brown
Joseph Brown

The hologram thing did make sense within that specific scene, but from a plotline perspective, it didn't fit considering he keels over in the end

Charles Lee
Charles Lee

bait thread
200+ replies
nice job idiots

Gabriel Long
Gabriel Long

But he did have a split second of weakness. For a split second he thought about killing his nephew for the greater good of stopping Kylo Ren. It's the same conflict he faced with Vader, but in this case, he only considered it for half a second, rather than feeding into it, beating the shit out of him, and slicing off his arm like he did with Vader. His arc was that everyone in the Star Wars universe, this universe, and himself considered him a perfect God after ROTJ. Him having a bad thought for half a second and it causing Kylo Ren made him realize how fallible he was. He blamed himself for Kylo Ren, and saw himself as a failure.

Benjamin Nelson
Benjamin Nelson

It was so childlike and it reminded me of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

Gavin King
Gavin King

The complete undoing of everything The Force™ and Luke Skywalker stood for
hung up on little things

Jonathan Jackson
Jonathan Jackson

Not the guy you replied to but...
BLOOO BLOOO BLOOO
DIS TOY IS FUN 10/10
BLOOO BLOOO BLOOO
DIS MOVIE IS GUD FIBE TUMS UP
BLOOO BLOOO BLOOO
DIS FOOD IS TASTEE WOOD EAT AGAIN
No one will remember you because you offer nothing of genuine value.

Aaron Cox
Aaron Cox

Yeah. He failed.

But that was by design. They even had yoda deliver a hamfisted speech about failure.

No one stood on the pedistal to be worshipped as the perfect Goku. I'm going to avoid saying this was a gritty and realistic portrayal of a hero. LOL I will only suggest that if they made Luke become Saiyan God, every other hero would need to be similiarly escalated and that would be seriously stupid.

Cameron Cook
Cameron Cook

You a mind reader or something? If Luke was dead set on killing him he wouldn't have just stared at Vader.

Adrian Lewis
Adrian Lewis

OP is 100% right. It's only "bait" because it's true.

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

Luke gave into anger, the point of that scene was he was so close to mimicking the fate of his father but he still had control and that is highlighted best right at the end of the duel when Vader is down, Luke hits the saber away leaving Vader completely exposed but instead of going for the kill, Luke removes Vader's hand. A typical Jedi disarming technique utilized to end combat without killing the opponent. He stopped, Sheev taunted, Luke responded by throwing away the saber "I am a Jedi like my father before me"

Vader was never going to die, not by Luke's hand anyway.

Brandon Reed
Brandon Reed

The point is that the rebels came to their own understand of Luke's will, so they can own that revelation, not just be told.

He was Martyring himself for the sake of spreading hope across the Galaxy, being mysterious means that his actions can be interpreted. This makes his legacy more significant for the individual, as his actions take on the meaning they want to believe.

Nolan Reyes
Nolan Reyes

Luke Skywalker's character in this film is engineered specifically to tell people that old white men are corruptible and inefficient even when they mean to do good, so they must get out of the way.

Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee

Reminder that this meme only exists to excuse Rey from ever being challenged

Bentley Hernandez
Bentley Hernandez

But Rey and Kylo were already connected to each other, and they only saw themselves to each other. Luke fooled the entire Orde

Kylo and Rey weren't connected, or tell me why do you think so, please.
Snoke connects them, and I don't care if Luke folled the FO, he died doing a simple effort. And worst, it's something than original Luke wouldn't do it.

Jordan Hernandez
Jordan Hernandez

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_pilot
You dummy, 9/11 was just the biggest target to date. Security measures slowly ramped up and after WTC they went all out in trying to prevent this exact scenario from happening ever again because it was too easy. Name the security measures in place to prevent a random pilot from hyperdriving into anything in SW

Ian Scott
Ian Scott

Their lightsaber fight where she nearly kills him.
he died doing a simple effort
He died doing what no one else in Star Wars has been able to do other than ghosts.

Aiden Morgan
Aiden Morgan

Luke gave into anger.

Just like Luke gave into fear in RotJ. That's the point.

Gabriel Evans
Gabriel Evans

There's a difference between being a flawed hero with some trauma and a fucking sociopath who pulls a weapon on his sleeping nephew because he had some dark vibes.

Leo Gray
Leo Gray

Well said. The entire reason Luke was there was to save Vader. He could have just fought in the space battle and lmaoed as Vader and Sheev died in the explosion.

Sebastian Ross
Sebastian Ross

Yeah, and now that Laura Dern did the suicide, they're gonna amp up security. It wasn't a problem until then. Simple.

Lincoln Hill
Lincoln Hill

There were not that much quips, and they were not placed in the middle of dramatic events

Evan Foster
Evan Foster

Luke didn't act on his anger in RotJ. He acted on his fear in TLJ. That's why people are mad.

Gabriel Ross
Gabriel Ross

Saying exhaustion kills him is like saying Vader kills Obi Wan

Noah Reyes
Noah Reyes

Did you forget how he started the fight with Vader? He attempted to kill the Emperor and Vader blocked him

Adam Murphy
Adam Murphy

Im pretty sure the dual sunsets was to take the viewer back to Tatooine and Luke as a young boy gazing into the binary sunset. A "completion of the circle" type thing, only this time instead of seeking adventure he was finding peace.

Also, unrelated question, but I know "das Kino" is German for cinema. I see it used in unrelated context on /tv. Is that some cultural thing? Could someone elaborate?

Excuse my newfagness.

Logan Bennett
Logan Bennett

He acted on his fear much less than he acted on his anger. The difference is that Vader was willing to forgive a lot more, whereas Kylo Ren wasn't.

Matthew Russell
Matthew Russell

I honestly see Luke's death more about him reaching enlightenment and moving on rather than him dying from effort. The same way Obi-Wan chose to die because his purpose of preparing Luke had been fulfilled.

You see this sort of stuff everywhere in spiritual schmuck, the "my time has come" business.

Samuel Brooks
Samuel Brooks

how else do you interpret that scene though? He's tumbling around on the floor unable to set himself straight. Because the projection was too exahusting. He manages to sit in a meditative position then vanishes. How else do you interpret this

Aaron Wood
Aaron Wood

He didn't act on his fear though. He drew the saber but didn't actually try to kill Ben.

Jaxson Ortiz
Jaxson Ortiz

It's a meme. The word has been co-opted as "This movie is so good that it's not just a simple 'flick' or a 'film', it's a masterpiece, and thus a 'kino'"

Ayden Lewis
Ayden Lewis

Vader kills Obi Wan

But that's what happened.

Jaxon Cruz
Jaxon Cruz

His first conversation with Vader in that movie was "I know there's still good in you."

Oh you mean the guy who he had already redeemed by talking to him, which he now had a chance to prevent from happening in the first place? Sure I can see why he wouldn't talk it over with him then.

Brayden Butler
Brayden Butler

I see, thanks.

Nolan Price
Nolan Price

draws a lethal weapon on sleeping nephew
doesn't put it away when nephew wakes up
doesn't back out of the fight
BUT HE DIDN'T MEAN TO

Lucas Brown
Lucas Brown

His first conversation with Vader in that movie was "I know there's still good in you."
Was that before or after he tried to kill him by overwhelming him with anger?

Oh you mean the guy who he had already redeemed by talking to him, which he now had a chance to prevent from happening in the first place? Sure I can see why he wouldn't talk it over with him then.
No chance for conversation when your nephew pulls the roof on top of you.

Jeremiah Jones
Jeremiah Jones

If we're talking before RoTJ? of course. But by the end of RoTJ Luke had faced temptation, had suffered defeat and made mistakes, and grew into a capable and wise Jedi who stared at the very heart of the dark side itself and threw away his weapon not knowing fear. Luke is still human, he will still feel emotions but the Luke post RoTJ would never have acted on those emotions be it hatred, anger or fear. He wouldn't have abandoned not only family (Ben) but the child of his best friend and sister. Even in the heat of combat he didn't strike Vader down so to take someone like that and to make them into a person who thought about killing someone in their sleep? it goes against EVERYTHING that Luke was.

Nathan White
Nathan White

but the Luke post RoTJ would never have acted on those emotions be it hatred, anger or fear
Says you, but I don't buy it. Luke went through a character arc but he wasn't a flawless human being past that point. The situation he was put in would instill some doubt even in him.

Sebastian Cruz
Sebastian Cruz

Quips were in the OT to establish character (Han was a wiseass, Leia acted imperious to put on a brave face to her captors, etc) and were used at appropriate times to maintain tone. There was nothing like "General Hugs."

Elijah Fisher
Elijah Fisher

I guess in this movie brandishing light saber doesn't imply a death threat, because Daisy does it to Luke out of impatience?

Michael Diaz
Michael Diaz

Shut up OP

John Gutierrez
John Gutierrez

What a retarded interpretation. If it wasn't for Luke, they'd all be dead.

Isaiah Long
Isaiah Long

Battle on a planet with a bunch of quadrupedal armoured vehicles in a huge expanse of white
Hero goes off to bumfuck nowhere to meet with an old Jedi master, then leaves before their training is anywhere close to complete to go and fight the villains
Meanwhile hero's friends go off to a city on another planet, meet a roguish character who they work with, but then end up getting betrayed by the roguish character to the bad guys
Am I right in saying this could describe either ESB and TLJ?

Liam Lopez
Liam Lopez

It's a metaphor for the inner turnmoil he's felt all these years.

He tumbles and turns as he wallows in his own self-hatred, but in his final moments he gazes teary-eyed at the twin sunsets and finds peace. He realizes that his last duty had been fulfilled and ascends into the next world. His adventure ending the way it began, looking to the horizon.

Asher Price
Asher Price

I came to DIE!!
makes a treasure hunt
For what purpose
Also
Turning him into a bitter and sad old man devoid of any hope
Yep, perfect understanding of Luke, you know, the dude who totally abandoned his friends and father to their destiny

Jose Ortiz
Jose Ortiz

By the time Luke realizes Kylo was awake Kylo was already looking at him.

Dylan Jackson
Dylan Jackson

You also have a bit of New Hope.

Jedi master faces his old pupil. Dies in the process of buying his new pupil time.

Ofc there was a twist now because Luke was a projection, Kylo did not struck him down but he still dead anyway.

Isaiah Johnson
Isaiah Johnson

Says you, but I don't buy it.
m8 that's your shitty opinion, not what happened in the entire saga at all.
The situation he was put in would instill some doubt even in him.
You mean actually talking to his nephew and not having rage and hatred clouded his mind but then a retarded hack writer actually have to ruin our fun?

Matthew Gonzalez
Matthew Gonzalez

That's not fair, TLJ also copied RotJ

Nathaniel Hill
Nathaniel Hill

why can't he find Rey
The two of them explicitly mention that they can't see each others surroundings, only each other.

Jesus watch the movie.

Nathan Morris
Nathan Morris

m8 that's your shitty opinion
And how is that any different from your shitty opinion? There's no indication that the Luke after Return of the Jedi was flawless. And even if there was such an indication, the movies are far more compelling by not going in the Gary Stu direction.

Parker Reyes
Parker Reyes

Drawing the saber WAS acting on his fear.

Matthew Wilson
Matthew Wilson

That was Kylo

Snoke did the linking

Bentley Miller
Bentley Miller

It was before. That's the point, Luke should've talked to Ben before even considering attacking him.

John Stewart
John Stewart

Implying that a classic character even needs to die.

I kinda wanted him to fuck up the machines using the force and turn Kilo into armless and legless freak show like Old Ben did to his Kilos Grandpappy.

Then his last words could’ve been “just helpin you out kid”.

Aiden Davis
Aiden Davis

He went much closer to killing Vader than he did Ren. It would have been dumb if his arc was about failing to see the good in Ren, but it wasn't. His arc was his shame of considering Ben beyond hope for even a second.

Jordan Campbell
Jordan Campbell

they can't see each others surroundings, only each other.
Except Kylo can see Luke too in this scene.

Adam Cooper
Adam Cooper

I didn't say he was flawless but Luke was a compassionate character that couldn't even turn his back on Vader. The visions in TLJ would have concerned him but he wouldn't have abandoned his family, his best friends and sisters son. For some reason a lot of TLJ defenders either aren't aware or don't remember that Luke was a very wise person, wise beyond even Obi-Wan and Yoda because of the mistakes he made, because of the trials he faced he didn't just arrive at that stage instantly like Rey did. Even in the comics that the current films are based upon Luke didn't abandon his family, despite said family member killing his wife.

You, and people like you, keep trying to justify this character re-write and keep mis-quoting actions in previous films doing so, but it's not going to wash with long term fans. We grew up watching and reading Luke's adventures so we know Luke when we see him and that was not him in TLJ.

Robert Martinez
Robert Martinez

They reach hands about to touch each other's fingers
Rey gives him the bird
I wanted this to happen so much

Christopher Mitchell
Christopher Mitchell

yeup,, best star wars of all time, period. a lot of people are saying it's not as good, probably because they're racist. i was glued to the screen with one of the most legendary stories so far in this classic series. MUST see

Dominic Johnson
Dominic Johnson

There's no indication that the Luke after Return of the Jedi was flawless.
I didn't even say that he was flawless you complete and utter mong.

And even if there was such an indication, the movies are far more compelling by not going in the Gary Stu direction.
Here's a great fact 4u, the OT Luke also isn't a Gary fucking stu and there are hundreds of way in making him an interesting character without raping continuity between the films. You chose to defend this fucking abortion of a writing indicates how much of a shit taste that you have.

Hudson Martin
Hudson Martin

This pissed me off. Luke was calm, cool and collected and he would’ve had ghost friends to tell him to chill and how to handle his faggot nephews disfigured head...I mean temptation towards the dark side...

Nathan Allen
Nathan Allen

Luke going into exile for fearing the potential threat that Skywalkers are to the galaxy would be a better reason than "muh jedi need to end lul burn books"

Adam Nguyen
Adam Nguyen

Luke, best teachers failures are!
...this is pretty fucking ironic taking into account Rey still didn't fail at anything. Such a powerful statemente, Master Yoda, if it weren't because we don't see that happen in the 2 movies so far

Josiah Brown
Josiah Brown

Agree. It was a perfect ending, for the film and for him

Lucas Sanders
Lucas Sanders

We know you grew up reading about the legendary Luke in expanded universe stuff and built this image of him and that you reject this new "canon" Luke. That's entirely your right. It's just not well justified and you're making up shitty excuses as to how this doesn't fit the character from the first three movies, when it does. Sorry, mate.

Jordan Bennett
Jordan Bennett

There's also no indication that paranoia was his flaw (your faith in your friends is your weakness). The problem isn't that he failed it's that the nature of the failure is incongruous with Luke's character.
Also,
not going in a Gary Stu direction
Rey is more of a Sue than ever, she still faces no adversity and Yoda is on her side and unconcerned despite her obviously Dark Side actions (attacking Luke).

Ayden Bell
Ayden Bell

The only continuity that was raped was for Force Awakens (why did he leave a map of him with R2 if he doesn't want to be found?). Luke in this movie is perfectly in tune with the original trilogy.

Landon Stewart
Landon Stewart

Except Vader in Luke were in a brutal fight. Vader wasn't asleep like Kylo.

Parker Richardson
Parker Richardson

Hi, I'm master Yoda, you might remember me from all those times I didn't come in your help, like when Kylo got seduced by the dark side, but let me appear now in front of you to laugh at your sorry ass and tell you how much better is Rey compared to you
Fuck off, Disney.
I was wise enough to not pay for this one and use one of my free tickets for the year.

Chase Clark
Chase Clark

Are you fucking stupid? He went against obi wan and Yoda when they wanted him to kill his own father. JFC you shills are fucking unreal,

Easton Edwards
Easton Edwards

I came to DIE!!
makes a treasure hunt
It was actually a treasure hunt for the first Jedi temple, because Luke said it was were he was going. This actually doesn't bother me

Turning him into a bitter and sad old man devoid of any hope
Yep, perfect understanding of Luke, you know, the dude who totally abandoned his friends and father to their destiny
This however is more of a problem indeed

Jace Morales
Jace Morales

The first thing she does when she reaches out to the Force is head for the dark side lmao. Yoda still gives her his endorsment and Luke passes the mantle of Last Jedi(tm) to her. Fucking ridiculous.

Carson Clark
Carson Clark

It's just not well justified

No I suppose 20-30 years of canon isn't good enough these days.

shitty excuses as to how this doesn't fit the character from the first three movies, when it does

Despite me pulling direct examples from not only the movies but from the comics TFA and TLJ are currently based upon. I see you're just going to blindly defend TLJ for some bizarre reason so our little back and forth is done I think. Just remember kid some day you'll probably be in the same situation about a character you like from a piece of media and on that day, I'll laugh at you.

Matthew Miller
Matthew Miller

You all realize the evil capitalist twist in the casino subplot undermines the entire story right? It clearly shows us there are real world like elites playing the resistance off the empire for profit. Selling arms to both sides, and the random lockpick (i forget his name) confirms this. So wouldn’t that make the empire a kind of victim to more powerful men. Like how their giant expensive star destroyers keep getting blown up by counter arms at just the right time. So wouldn’t the Sith actually side with these men? I mean if were going to start acknowledging the real enemies now. Why aren’t the all powerful sith working with the real power elite. Also as a two man operation wouldn’t it make more sense to control through usery, and profiteering than a fake civil war?

On top of that now that we know force ghosts can interact with the living world it changes everything. Yoda, Obi-wan, and Anakin all do not give a fuck about who lives, and who dies or who rules. They let anakin kill the younglings (assuming theirs older ghosts) they let Kylo turn and kill Han. They let the empire rise, snoke, the emprorer all of it. Why didn’t Yoda go straight to the emporer after dying in empire, and hit him with a thunder bolt or something.

There’s so much wrong with this movie. Not little things. Huge things that take way too long to type out. I can’t believe you guys like it so much legitimately.

Austin Sanchez
Austin Sanchez

No I suppose 20-30 years of canon isn't good enough these days.
A legends fag. How embarrassing.

Colton Miller
Colton Miller

Luke didn't act on his anger in RotJ
Have you even seen either movie? He gives into anger far more in ROTJ than he does to fear in TLJ.

Gabriel Phillips
Gabriel Phillips

It 100% doesn't fit the character of RotJ Luke. The EU doesn't factor into it. He wouldn't preemptively kill a new Vader, nephew or not, without talking to him first. He wouldn't abandon his friends to clean up his mess for him. That's not the way OT Luke would act.

Hunter Kelly
Hunter Kelly

The film is a mess. Not in necessarily a bad way, but in a way that it introduces a ton of new elements, has more characters than any other film in the series, ruins moments from other films, deviates from the obvious path and has no obvious path forwards at the end. Its bound to be controversial.

Dominic White
Dominic White

He wouldn't preemptively kill a new Vader
Good thing he didn't and only briefly considered it.

Connor King
Connor King

The shill is strong in this one

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

so basically just a copying of revenge of the sith then

Jeremiah Garcia
Jeremiah Garcia

But he doesn't ACT on it. He spares Vader despite having him completely at his mercy after an emotional fight.

Jackson Evans
Jackson Evans

perhaps there isnt such a massive surpluss of junk ships

Juan Reyes
Juan Reyes

Vader was more powerful than Palaptine. The prequels definitely touch on this, and there is an assumption of it.

David Perez
David Perez

The fact we’re all sitting in this thread struggling to find high points and positive notes to this movie is starting to make it all the more obvious this movie is prequel tier.

Fact is Disney’s gayteam 6 of Imagineers went after this like Bin Laden with the focus of “if only my Dad would’ve loved me and talked to me when I was having thoughts of gayness” and projected that onto one of the best hero’s of all time.

Levi Martin
Levi Martin

He doesn't act on it with Kylo either. He stops himself.

Brody Bailey
Brody Bailey

And Luke can see Kylo. Doesn't mean anyone can see their surroundings. In fact, Luke clearly can't see Kylo's, so it's silly to think Kylo can see Luke's.

Brayden Moore
Brayden Moore

No, he doesn't. He doesn't turn off the saber, he doesn't back off, he doesn't do anything to convince Kylo he's wrong.

Logan Foster
Logan Foster

Exactly, if anything Luke would be more forgiving and overlook her Dark Side tendencies to overcompensate for his fuckup with Kylo (which was out of character in the first place but nevermind), and Yoda would be trying to talk him out of it because he was always concerned with his students taking the right path. They got everything about these characters wrong other than Yoda being a troll.

Thomas Wood
Thomas Wood

It makes it obvious to me that this movie isn't as easily digestible. For all the flaws it has, it's the most intriguing Star Wars movie Disney has released yet. I like this direction and dislike the fact it's back to J.J. after this one.

Ian Wilson
Ian Wilson

They obviously HAD to slip an anti capitalism subplot in to make their propaganda quotient. It fucked the whole dynamic up of the sith, and empire

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

He talked to Vader before, several times, he didn't with Kylo. He also didn't just fuck out after losing to Vader in TESB leaving everything behind, friends, family and the galaxy.

This Luke doesn't fit in OT Luke.

Alexander Evans
Alexander Evans

Yes, he does. Go rewatch the movie (if you're afraid of me being a Disney shill, go pirate it).

The third rashomon scene, the last revelation, is perfectly acted out by Mark Hamill and clearly shows him stopping himself.

Angel Rodriguez
Angel Rodriguez

This is even worse when you take into consideration that Luke DID fail quite a lot in the OT, but overcome his own faults. In the end, he was even wiser, 'Jedi-er' than Yoda and Ben by the end of RotJ imo

Oliver Rivera
Oliver Rivera

It was a series of split seconds of weaknesses which escalated from realizing how far Ben had fallen to the dark side under his nose, taking out his lightsaber and turning it on, and rationalizing why he was about to kill Ben. Luke even thinks he could save the future by doing it. It's all done quickly but he came right upon the precipice. He doesn't go as far as actually try to hit his nephew as it happened in Ben's version but it's incredibly close. He was also given the advantage/initiative in that situation unlike the Vader/Sheev scene.
And yeah, I agree with you. This was a moment where Luke found out how fallible he is. The Luke that was built up progressively throughout the trilogy, overcoming his physical and mental weaknesses in a storybook and unrealistic manner, is undone at that moment where he spectacularly stumbles and falls at a similar obstacle he had faced before. Whether it's more realistic is not what I personally have issue with but it's more about the idea that a built up fairy tale hero was broken or dissected apart like that. He failed because it was the next logical step for a hero to take because no one can be a hero forever in real life or something. You be the judge if that was kino or not.

Josiah Reyes
Josiah Reyes

Rey still didn't fail at anything
fails to turn Ren

Dominic Clark
Dominic Clark

He talked with Kylo before too. That wasn't the first meeting between the characters. And this was after he had already been manipulated by Snoke.

Carter Barnes
Carter Barnes

It wasn't even the end of the movie, poser

Grayson Kelly
Grayson Kelly

Again, even considering it would not be his FIRST instinct. His first instinct would be to talk.

Jace Williams
Jace Williams

This is the third scene. Luke stares at Kylo with his saber drawn like a serial killer, doesn't say anything, and Kylo attacks him. Luke could have backed off 100 times by then.

Wyatt Bell
Wyatt Bell

See: This wasn't the first time they met. Christ.

Parker Cox
Parker Cox

prequel tier

The prequels were bad but they blow Nu-Wars so far out of the fucking water it's not even funny. And that's acknowledging that they were terrible.

Nu-Wars literally has zero - and I mean zero - redeemable qualities. It's absolute trash. At least the Prequels had heart and soul.

Nu-Wars are just empty, hollow shells of nothingness which accomplish absolutely nothing for anyone and which are so fundamentally unmemorable and devoid of any redeemable content that even the most devoted and serious fans of them don't remember any of the characters or anything that happens in them. The only people left who consider themselves fans of Nu-Wars are people like camwhores who think wearing a Star Wars T-shirt is cool. Except it isn't cool. It's lowbrow trash and everyone can see that.

Jeremiah Diaz
Jeremiah Diaz

He didn't talk to him about the dark growing inside him.

Hudson Walker
Hudson Walker

They were not fighting when he gave into his anger. ROTJ had him act on anger but come back from it. TLJ had him consider acting on fear and felt like a failure for being so weak.

Xavier Clark
Xavier Clark

Just wait until IX.

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