>ROTJ gives us no backstory on Palpatine
>TPM gives us no backstory on Darth Maul
>AOTC gives us no backstory on Count Dooku
>ESB gives us no backstory on Boba Fett
>TLJ gives us no backstory on Snoke
People seem to forget that the non-film stuff fleshes out the characters.
I'm so happy I don't know what any of that silly nonsense means.
>>ROTJ gives us no backstory on Palpatine
seems like someone never heard of darth plagueis the wise
Not OP but
That movie didn't actually confirm their relationship. It was again, non-film stuff did that.
People expected more out of Snoke because Disney's marketing team hyped him, and because Snoke's sudden existence in the SW universe kind of demands some explanation (like if he's really that old, what was he up to during the other SW stories? Did he interact with Palpatine/Vader at all?
this also dubs
>ROTJ gives us no backstory on Palpatine
This. You don't just insert a character like Snoke without explaining his purpose. Otherwise he makes no god-fucking sense what-so-fucking-EVER.
But of course the grognards will defend Johnson anyway.
This. RotJ at the time didnt need to give a backstory to Palpatine. He was the emperor who was also a powerful sith. Nu Wars does not exist in a vacuum. It followed RoTJ so it has to fill in the blanks. OP is retarded
Snoke was a dark sider who saw a power vacuum and stepped into it. pretty easy to figure out
Nah, not good enough. Palpatine would have noticed his presence.
Except people were actually interested to learn more about those characters? Nobody gives a fuck about Emperor 2.0 with a retarded name and face.
People have also been expecting more out of Phasma because she's been getting hyped, but so far all she does is briefly menace the heroes and then fall down holes
Let's play a game of spot the difference, okay OP?
>palptaine
>does things
>darth maul
>does things
>count dooku
>does things
>boba fett
>does things
>snoke
>dies after 30 seconds of screen time, does nothing
Did you find it?
>ROTJ gives us no backstory on Palpatine
What back story was there to give? He was the emperor of the fucking Empire, there wasn't enough material made for there to be a backstory for him.
>TPM gives us no backstory on Darth Maul
He was never meant to be a major character and his backstory was that he was palpatines apprentice
>AOTC gives us no backstory on Count Dooku
Except they clearly state he was once a jedi who was yoda's padowan who became palpatines new apprentice
>ESB gives us no backstory on Boba Fett
He was never a major character
>TLJ gives us no backstory on Snoke
A main character whose power rivals that of sheev's and has lived through many of the events of star wars and formed the first order is given no explanation to there origin even after it is built up that you will be given one.
All of those things make sense because we didn’t know what happened before them (at the time) we were dropped in the middle of the story. TLJ is at the end of the story. So it doesn’t make sense that a character that powerful came out of nowhere in the short amount of time between ROTJ and TFA.
snoke turns kylo to the dark side
Boba Fett was a nobody character unimportant to the plot that was made famous by fans. Don't lump the OT in with the rest of that garbage.
At least those people achieved something or had a purpose. We only knew Snoke wanted to kill Luke for fuck knows why, he hadn’t been seen in years.
Really? What movie was that in? I must have missed it.
H O W
Snoke is not a main character, he has like 5 minutes of screentime between TFA/TLJ. His only purpose is there to explain how Ben Solo turned.
it's the Sith Law of 2. Pretty much all the Sith hang out in the outer rim and beyond while their strongest is allowed to menace the known universe, granted permission to have and train a single apprentice while none of the other Sith interfere. Once Palpatine was killed, the Sith felt it and the next in line immediately took power and found an apprentice.
>doesn't know what he's talking about
Snoke wasn't a fucking Sith you retard
This, you didn't need to know shit about Palpatine in the original trilogy because he was just a fact of the universe, you hadn't seen what came before so you didn't need an explanation beyond "he's the emperor". But you DO need to explain Snoke, because we've seen six movies by this point where he ostensibly would have been around but wasn't.
they clearly list him as Darth Snoke in the credits
>which movie was that in
The same one where Ben Solo was conceived and Luke Skywalker started his own school of Jedi brainlets.
What, really?
>TLJ gives us no backstory on Snoke
What back story is there to give? He was the leader of the fucking First order. There isn't enough material made for there to be a backstory for him.
>YOU CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT SNOKE FROM OUR 12 PART SNOKE BOOK TRILOGY THAT COSTS 499.99
that's old EU tought.
Palpatine is given backstory throughout the prequels, which were planned 20 years in advance.
Darth Maul is a disposable apprentice, basically a Sith thug, who needs no backstory.
Count Dooku is given backstory. He leads the Separatist and was previously a Jedi. Dooku was an integral part of Palpatine's gambit to control the Senate.
Boba Fett is a bounty hunter and needs no backstory. If you remember, he literally does nothing important or interesting throughout the original trilogy. Fun fact- he's in A New Hope as one of the nameless bounty hunters in the Jabba scene.
Snoke, a mysterious character who is incredibly important to both Kylo and Luke's pre-TFA story, is given no backstory or explanation for having the powers he has.
The difference is that Snoke's introduction in TFA demands answers, and we only got more questions in TLJ.
How very convenient.
>brainlet neckbeards let it slide because reasons
ahh I see it now.
>ROTJ gives us no backstory on Palpatine
They didn't have to. We were left to assume that he came to power. Plus Lucas planned to tell his story in the prequels.
>TPM gives us no backstory on Darth Maul
He was an apprentice. That's all you need. Not the #1.
>AOTC gives us no backstory on Count Dooku
Again, an apprentice.
>ESB gives us no backstory on Boba Fett
He's a bounty hunter. Again...
>TLJ gives us no backstory on Snoke
This is a problem because we know how rare force users are at this point in time yet he is a force user. This is a problem because how did he rebuild the Empire into the First Order. This is a problem because we will get no film explaining him (like the Emperor in the prequel trilogy).
First of all let's think about Snoke's situation in the Sequel trilogy. Here is a character who has taken up the position as leader of the newly reorganized Imperial remnants known as The First Order. He is stated to have been alive during the Prequels and the Original trilogy. He's taken many apprentices before Kylo. No indication is given whether or not he has succeeded someone in his position or is the mastermind behind the First Order's creation. Snoke is coming into an already established universe unlike Palpatine. Thus there needs to be connections made with the preexisting lore in order for the character to feel integrated into the universe.
Rule of Two is still canon
>TLJ gives us no backstory on Snoke
They didn't have to, We're just left to assume he came into power, Plus Disney plans to tell his story in the prequels.
I was talking about the outer rim and other Siths being around, not the Rule of Two in specific.
This. I don't think Palpatine would've appreciated another powerful Dark side user in the same galaxy as him, Sith or not, unless he was weak like Maul. So again, this begs the question as to how Snooky was able to survive during the time of the Empire.
At least they gave Palpatine enough screentime in RotJ that it was at least somewhat believable that he turned Vader to the dark side. He greets him as a friend and everything in the throne room gives him at least some sense of persuasive charisma
Snoke treats Kylo like shit
see
when luke thinks about killing kylo he says that he felt snoke in kylo's mind
But where is this nonsense about the rest of the Sith hanging out in the Outer Rim and them "allowing" their most powerful to rampage across the known galaxy?
>trying to make sense of space magic
It never ceases to amaze me how brainlets actually attempt to rationalize any of this moronic garbage.
not him, but I saw it in Kotor II.
ROTJ didn't NEED to give us backstory on Palpatine or Vader. They wery much had a presence on screen and that's all they needed. You only needed to understand that Palpatine was ambitious, Vader could be violent, and that they were on the Dark Side. Vader did have parts of his backstory revealed throughout the movies, also.
TPM is shit and has no characters, it only has boring politics. It does give a little personality to Darth Maul when the laser gate things are closed and he walks around like a caged lion.
AOTC doesn't care about characters either, muh politics.
ESB didn't give no... Who the fuck cares about Boba he's not like the arch villain or anything just a fuckoff sidekick
TLJ didn't need to give Snoke a backstory either if he were more menacing or scary. But he's neither of these things. His dramatic villain dialogue 101 turns him into a ridiculous Palpatine wannabe, and Palpatine wasn't a great character to begin with.
>They didn't have to, We're just left to assume he came into power,
But how? In the original trilogy we knew none of the dynamics of the Old Republic. In the sequel trilogy we know what came before and wonder how we got to where we are. So we ask "how did Snoke come to power"? and "how is he a force user"?
> Plus Disney plans to tell his story in the prequels.
Did you watch TLJ? They're done with Snoke.
Its not a story the Jedi would tell you
Can't Disney just fucking drop hints as to what he is though? How hard is it to drop a few lines of dialogue for the audience without disrupting whatever conversation or speech he's giving. Why must we be forced to see another film in order for things to be explained to us? Why must we read a book in order for this character to be fleshed out for us??
A lot is from a game called Knights of the Old Republic in which you go to the Sith home planet to one of their temples and can read all kinds of Sith stuff.
Would have been nice to get some backstory on Snoke though considering we were led to believe the sith were all done in ROTJ. Even so he was just a lame unthreatening emperor knock off.
New Hope says The Old Republic was replaced by the Empire
And we are told the Emperor has dismissed the Senate, wiping away the last vestige of the Old Republic
Palpatine is then fleshed out in the Prequels
Maul is a mook and does not need a backstory
Clones tells us that Dooku is a former Jedi who left the order
Fett is a mook in Empire
KOTOR is not canon anymore. Plus those games take place before the Sith self-destruct and Darth Bane creates the Rule of Two.
snoke isn't ill defined, the first order is
Because money.
>but how
But how? In the new trilogy we know none of the dynamics of the New Republic.
Oh that's right it's a retarded popcorn flick designed to get people to pay money to watch it and sell action figures, not be a giant nerd encyclopedia of everything that happened since ROTJ.
This still begs the greatest question of all
Who was more powerful? Snoke or Sheev.
We had a whole scene in AOTC where Obi-Wan talks to Dooku. Wasn't Dooku even revealed to be Qui-Gon's master or was I just dreaming that?
And none of that is canon.
Not canon anymire, does not apply to Mouse Wars universe
the implication about the prequels is that Disney will finish this current trilogy, then do ANOTHER trilogy about the time between Return and Force Awakens. So like how RotJ killed Palpatine and then the prequels showed us who he was and how he came to be, so will the next prequel trilogy explain how Snoke did so after Palpatine died.
>can't disney drop hints
And tie the hands of the side movie they plan to make probably and make you go again to watch?
Snoke isn't a Sith though. Just a Dark Force user.
The Law of Two only allows for two Sith Lords to exist at one time, explicitly making the existence of any other Sith forbidden. This was enacted because of the inevitable infighting that would occur with multiple Sith present.
It is confirmed canon that he wasn't affiliated with the Sith, referencing the visual dictionary.
Dooku said he respected Qui-Gon and could've used his help, but that's about as far as their relationship goes.
Is the future trilogy really going to be between ROTJ and TFA? Can't we get the fuck out of this timeline and jump straight into the Old Republic, Christ.
Bane?!
DISNEY ABOMINATION IS NOT STAR WARS
DISNEY ABOMINATION IS NOT CANON
DISNEY ABOMINATION IS JUST EXPENSIVE NON-CANON FANFIC
if Rogue One and Solo is anything to go by, they're going to do one Hero/Villain origin story movie and one side in universe but non-main character but untold canon story.
They're shaping it the same way as MCU.
MILKIES
Perhaps if you were autistic.
No it doesn't. Even in the movie, his only title is "Supreme Leader."
Grievous has a pretty based back story desu.
>If you remember, he literally does nothing important or interesting throughout the original trilogy
nigger he catches han solo
Doesn't matter, would still be nice to know where he came from but what is worse is that he was not a threat and also just a ripoff emperor.
He was pretty cool in the animated series too. A shame what Lucas did with him in RotS.
it's either that, or they will try to reboot the Phantom Menace and re-write the whole Clone Wars prequel trilogy
>y we know none of the dynamics of the New Republic.
Uh, we know the rebels won 30 years ago. Yet somehow here we are 30 years later in the same predicament?
How much does Disney pay you?
Vader catches Han Solo to bait Luke, Boba Fett was just a well-dressed delivery boy.
The Tartakovsky ones were Kino all the way through. Should have been mandatory viewing since it explains the coughing that pissed so many people off in RotS.
Believing this bullshit you read on bleddit, eh?
He just tells Vader where Han is and Vader sets the trap and catches them. Fett is rewarded by getting to take Han. He's just a snitch.
>AOTC gives us no backstory on Count Dooku
that's a blatant lie. He was one of Yoda's apprentices and Qui Gon's master and he left the jedi order
rotj doesn't mention plageuis faggot
Both Kylo Ren and Snoke are not Sith.
Darth Vader didn't have a surviving apprentice.
All the Sith Masters are dead. Darkside Force Users aren't necessarily Sith.
The First Order seem like a bunch of Larpers. I think in their thinking the disappearance of the Jedi is mirrored by the disappearance of the Sith. The Jedi are left in legend and force sensitive imitators like the 'rebellion' who keep saying may the force be with you but do not follow any of the tenets of the jedi ways and the sith larper snoke.
Snoke made no sense within the SW continuity because for all we knew the Emperor and DV were the last siths. Also it's not clear what the fuck the first order is in the context of the Empire being destroyed. I mean they are some kind of rebellion against the Republic or something, right? Why is there a resistance against a rebellion, the republic should be the one fighting those cucks right? Everybody was expecting some background would fix the narrative nonsense that is the Soy Wars so when they killed it became clear that they are just making shit up as they go along, making really bad movies in the process
The horrible camrip quality makes it look like this is some weird fetish porn from the 80s
explain
really? I clearly remember MC going to the outer rim to deal with the Sith once and for all. Fuck you EA, fuck you Bioware
>KOTOR is not canon anymore.
I know, that's excactly waht I was asking a few posts back.
...
Snoke
>Not Sith
>Hides like a pussy during the Prequels and Original trilogies
>Unoriginal/Knockoff, has to copy Palpatine's super weapon design for his own
>trains emo ass bitch
>dresses like Goldmember
>Pussy ass force lightning
>idiotic enough to let his emo apprentice slice him in half while stating he cannot be betrayed
Palpatine
>Dark Lord of the Sith
>Orchestrates the downfall of the Republic and Jedi
>Takes out a group of Jedi Masters by himself
>Power of foresight
>Impressive force lightning
>Memorable voice
>Creates Darth Vader
>Gets thrown into a space station shaft by his apprentice while gleefully torturing said apprentice's son
Palpatine was literally rolling in his grave when Snoke died
>Rule of Two
>sith tribe died off When darth sidious and vader death in Battle of Yavin
Snoke is Weak Faggot don't have much force power and Ren is mentally challenged child
But UNIVERSE AND REPUBLIC conquer by THEM
BECAUSE UNIVERSE AND REPUBLIC ARE SHIT
>Back to the Real world
Trump is nothing but "Pimp" and manipulated by Wall st NY
Republican Party also "Pimp" who only care about money and sex
Democratic Party Defeat by Trump because they are the corrupt shitty "bourgeoisie"
Hmmm What Disney gonna tell us that earth average IQ is keep decline
And Whole world gonna get shittier?
I guess that while Palpatine had trained Vader as his attack dog, he was also grooming Snoke as some sort of political apprentice that could take over after he died, which then happened. Palpatine seemed very much ok about dying as long as Luke turned first, but may have had Snoke as an insurance policy if Luke killed him without turning.
>jump straight into the Old Republic
Why would you want that? The entire period has been ruined in the new canon.
>no Revan
>Jedi went to war immediately against the Mandalorians and completely crushed them
>no civil war over the ideological conflict of the jedi who went to the aid of the Republic and those that did not
>no Malachor V/Exile/Kreia
>no True Sith lurking at the edge of the galaxy
Pretty much anything remotely interesting of the period has been trashed or mangled beyond repair by shitty writers for that terrible Clone Wars cartoon.
Yeah 30 years ago.
Thanks for proving my point.
The two nuwars movies are movies. They have no need to be a tell all encyclopedia in the same way that ALL of the star wars movies have inconsistencies and plot holes.
No matter how much money and work you put into a movie. It's never going to be a perfect sequel because you mongs have been developing and studying this shit into oblivion for the past 30 years.They had to write and produce this shit in 2 years, lets not pretend that the mouse is some benevolent patron of the arts interested in anything other than making profits.
I hope not. As goofy as the Prequels were, it's best to let somethings die.
The end of the Tartakovsky Clone Wars is minutes before the start of RotS. One of the last things to happen after Grievous "kidnaps" Palpatine is that Mace Windu force crushes Grievous' chest, which still have lungs in them, causing him to develope the cough and wheeze.
The movies give us enough info on Palpatine (he's a politician scheming to take over the galaxy), Darth Maul (he's apprentice to Palpatine), Count Dooku (he's traitor Jedi working for Palpatine) and Boba Fett (he's a bounty hunter hired by Vader to bring him Luke and he's bounty hunting Han to get Jabba's bounty). These are movies not a TV series.
I don't care about Snoke because he's not in a canon Star Wars movie. All Disney movies where they kill Han and have Mary Sue Jedi are not canon.
>Thanks for proving my point.
Uh, what did I prove, that after 30 years literally nothing has changed?
>The two nuwars movies are movies. They have no need to be a tell all encyclopedia in the same way that ALL of the star wars movies have inconsistencies and plot holes.
Shilling this hard.
>named himself Grievous because he could never get over the death of his wife/best friend at the hands of the invaders
>dressed up his magnaguards like his old war buddies because it reminded him of a time when he wasn't a cyborg
Grievous had a hard life