How fucking hard could've it been to just simply say that Snoke is fucking Darth Plagueis?

I don't fucking get it. They had everything set up perfectly. Snoke is obviously someone who lived during the Rebel Wars, he's gotta be someone who was waiting in the shadows to take things over. That perfect person would've been Darth Plagueis. Just write in that he survived Sheev's murder attempt and had body swapped into someone who's supposed to be the chosen sith or some shit. It wouldn't have been fucking hard.

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>implying this won’t be explained in 9
>implying that snoke is actually dead

then what? his same fate? that would be worse. set him up as plagueis and then you actually have to write shit for him. generic evil monster is easier. he's literally Darth Maul tier

That's only because of the huge outcry

How much development does he get in 8? He could be removed from 7 and no one would even notice

none

How can you think that Plagueis isn't generic?

How can you think that any Star Wars character isn't generic?

How can adult minds ever have enjoyed Star Wars?

Snoke's death was a dream sequence do to his mind powers. In episode IX we'll see that he's alive and well. And one of the main characters suffers amnesia and joins the first order.

He looks nothing like him

Why does he even exist? What a catastrophic fuck up, its not even funny any more, its like theyre trying to see how bad they can make things. How do people unironicly look at things like this and say "this is great!"? Its not even like you need to bee a snobby movie buff to pick up on theres things, theyre massive unmissable flaws that the movies wave in your face and force you to notice

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>Why does he even exist?
he exists as a vehicle to start rey and kylo's romance, literally brining them together. Not even joking, that is literally the extent of anyhing he does

>Snoke is fucking Darth Plagueis

hot

Don't forget that his music is near-identical to Plagueis'.
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I unironically thought the idea of Snoke being Mace Windu was good. No way they would go that route or make him Darth Plagueis for that matters. They made it very clear from the beginning that they didn't care about the prequels, and after TLJ it looks like they didn't care about the original trilogy either.

The fucked up face could be the result of Sheev's assassination attempt. This shit writes itself. Plagueis supposeddly mastered control over life and death. If Snoke is really Plagueis then he can just come back in IX without it looking like bullshit.

I liked this theory tho

Stop trying to write the script for Disney. You are not getting paid

It's 99% sure he's Plagueis. They didn't have to mention it directly, only an indirect phrase that the hardcore fans would have understood, in the middle of a conversation with Kylo, for example. Even with his shitty death, it would have been better.

Anyway, I hope they bring him back for IX, even if its just for the shitstorm. But I doubt it, they're going full retard, almost Lost-tier, with "muh movies about characters and emotional reactions" shitting on any hint of story and context.

Wouldn't matter anyway. Johnson managed to make Snoke appear like a fucking retard. It would be a mistake to bring him back simply because it was a letdown.
The Snoke JJ presented was threatening and perhaps vindictive, but not petty and stupid.
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He managed to take a looming and malevolent figure and turn him into a spoiled child that just happens to be strong. There's nothing interesting about him, and he got "outsmarted" like a bitch.
Whatever JJ does at this point, Johnson pissed all over the character.

>Darth Plagueis

He's not even real, you nincompoop.

Just a bullshit story Palpy came up with to seduce Anikin.

You are trying to fit in very hard.

snoke should not be ANY kind of sith there are force users who arnt aligned with the jedi or sith way of thinking, snoke should be snoke a being vastly versed in the force who may say he has "dark side" powers as its relatable to kylo when really its just force power.

What if Plagueis brings him back?

>I have autism
Palpy was literally saying that Plagueis was his master and that he killed him.

wtf why are people obsessed with constant callbacks, Pelagius is just some fucking story, but people are morons and think palpatine MUST have been talking about his own master or some shit, fuck you, fuck Pelagius, and fuck star wars

Something tells me John Williams assumed that's where they were going with it so he used the musical cues that way only for the big reveal that there was no plan.

Or JJ told him that was his original game-plan before they adjusted the plot of TFA and scrapped the trilogy plan, yeah.

>rule of 2 is very real and basically forces stronger and stronger sith

>palpatine is basically space satan with incredible powers if we go by old canon and EU alongside nu wars canon aswell

>plagueis wasnt real guys

BOTH KK and Lawrence Kasdan were asked "Is Supreme Leader Snoke actually Darth Plagueis."

You wanna know their answer? You want to know what the FUCK those two people answered?

"What is a 'plagueis'?"

Nah he just grabbed the first "somber" score he had on his drawer and said "Fuck it, let's just play this".

TFA and TLJ are John Williams most mediocre, banal scores since 1974.

He was lying, kid. Plain and simp,le

Palpy and Maul
Ther's your rule of 2 nonsense

the real explanation to who he is :

he is designed literally to be anybody so that they could figure it out in the following movie where they wanted to take it, he is generic and disfigured and kept as mysterious as possible in a way that he could plausibly be just about anybody. That's how he was designed. In the end, they couldn't be assed to make him anybody so they left him being nobody.

Kike Kike or Kathleen Kennedy?

Why in fucks sake didn't they just make Hux slightly older, like a Tarkin or Thwarn type figure who emerged as the most powerful/ruthless imperial warlord? Who the fuck was Snoke? What was his point? How did he manage to keep himself hidden during the emperor's reign?

Seriously, if you take him out of the story, nothing changes at all. In fact, it would be much more interesting because there would be no "great Sith lord stronger and smarter than Sheev" expectations. It's even worse to introduce him, only to unceremoniously get rid of him in the dumbest possible way half-way through the second movie. It just feels so poorly written.

>implying it will be explained and he isn't forgotten forever

Ops pic is wrong Darth Plagueis had a nose. It honestly seems like Snoke was supposed to be him. They are both tall humanoid aliens

The movie is awful for a variety of reasons, mostly due to the plodding subplot and clown-fiesta of an ending. However, killing off Snoke is not among those reasons. He was anot utterly boring and cartoonish character. He is literally Sidious 2.0; he's a standard of evil that the interesting characters measure themselves against. Forget about the prequels for a moment. Sheev gets no backstory and little screen-time in the OT. He is a essentially a plot device.

His purpose is to die so Anakin can be redeemed. In TLJ, Snoke's purpose is a subversion of that. He dies in a similar way. Rey gives herself to Kylo and Snoke thinking Kylo is redeemable, just as Like did. The difference is that Kylo kills his master to become the master, not to redeem himself.

Snoke's pathetic death was one of the highlights of the film. It gives way for a much more interesting story and villain.

Palpatine wanted to rule the galaxy to be evil, Vader wanted to rule the galaxy with an iron fist, Kylo Ren saw both sides of the coin and thinks both jedi and sith should fuck off.

As far as I'm concerned, he's the last jedi.

Maul killed Liam Neeson

Snoke didn't do anything

Snoke's purpose was to serve kylo's story and he was great for that. for all the screaming of 'rehash rehash' against tfa people wanted the setup for another emperor style character?

>He was lying, kid. Plain and simp,le
It's confirmed in the official Star Wars encyclopedia that Darth Plagueis was the sith master of Sidious, you fucking autist.

> I NEED IT SPELLED OUT OR MY AUTISM PAINS ME

>Snoke's pathetic death was one of the highlights of the film. It gives way for a much more interesting story and villain.
a dumb a pointless character is killed off and people celebrate this as good writing because they can finally bring interesting characters into the films? jesus

There would have to be another emperor, the First Order is the direct continuation of the FUCKING EMPIRE YOU FUCKING MORON.

But that 'emperor' doesn't need to be the ultimate big bad sith lord, it does a disservice to the story if he is making it tired and repetitive.

>people wanted the setup for another emperor style character?
no one wants a copy of the emperor, but that's what they were clearly going for in TFA and then they chucked it out the window

Technically none of the Star wars films have seen a Sith Lord.

Yeah, which is why the decision to have both Hux be a young guy and Snoke being some ancient dark side lord was a retarded set up from the beginning, but it's even worse to not even have the decency to explain even one of the logical conundrums that the existence of Snoke creates. Honest to god, I would've been ok with him being the fucking Emperor himself at this point.

how so mate? Sith is a religion. The Sith species don't exist in the films

He wasn't pointless. He serves Kylo's character progression, just as Sidious served Vader's progression in the OT.

You are trying to view Snoke as like a lead character, when in reality he's always been more of a side character, a tool or vehicle for the plot, just as most generic super-evil untra villains are in stories.

Are you telling me Snoke's presence in TFA was at all interesting, and you actually wanted to know more about generic CGI boogyman#2521?

This, i had to explain this to a friend.
In nu-wars, the sith is not a species anymore its just a religion/philosophy, anyone can be a sith so long as they follow the sith teachings. Palpatine, maul, vader, duku, all sith.

Its not a species in the EU either. It's a herditary culture with distance relation to the Sith species who are extinct (including genetically)
But the point is there are no Sith Lords because it ended with the Emperor. He ended the tradition and Vader wasn't a Sith. Plagueis would be an actual Sith Lord.

>reading an encyclopedo to watch a kids flick

No.

>The fucked up face could be the result of Sheev's assassination attempt. This shit writes itself. Plagueis supposeddly mastered control over life and death. If Snoke is really Plagueis then he can just come back in IX without it looking like bullshit.
Except the stupid fucks didn't state in 7 or 8 that it was Plagues. It would be pretty retarded to revive him in 9 and make him Plaguies out of the blue.

Fuck, they could have ditched the whole Casino bullshit and made 40 mins worth of Snoke backstory.

>Technically none of the Star wars films have seen a Sith Lord.
>Sith Lords ended with the Emperor
so you're saying sheev isn't any any star wars films?

Because 99% of the theater would've been like "Huh? Who the fuck is Darth Plack Ass?"

Get a grip on reality OP. These movies are made for the lowest common denominator. There'll be a TV series or possibly even a standalone movie that explains this ugly fucker, because that was always their intention. To leave room to drag this by the numbers story out across as much fucking media as possible.

If you want to find out who he is, you're going to have to give Disney more money at some point down the line.

>not understanding a basic scene made for kids and thinking it was some sort of story he made up depite his voice inflections and facial expresions clearly conveying to the viewer that we was talking about his own story while Anakin thought in his confusion it was talking about some obscure ancient legend
Autism.

Sounds like a case of the starwartisms

they should've set this trilogy 5000 years after jedi

The only way I can see Ep IX being okay is if Snoke is a body swapper, and he used some form of Force Meditation with his then-Apprentice to Force coerce Luke into attempting to kill Kylo

So they just have to back the fuck up on some huge moments from Ep VIII is what I'm saying

>clown-fiesta of an ending
just the ending?

>The difference is that Kylo kills his master to become the master
Except that he doesn't become the master, but even a more bigger faggot than in TFA.

>But the point is there are no Sith Lords because it ended with the Emperor. He ended the tradition and Vader wasn't a Sith.
Emperor calls Vader the "Dark Lord of the Sith" in the OT.

Vader never progressed in the OT until at the very end and it was because of Luke, not Sidious

I'm not viewing Snoke as a main character, I viewed him as important and powerful. Sheev wasn't a main character and he was important and powerful. Snoke being used as a plot device for Kylo is just silly. There's no threat left, Kylo was already beaten in the first movie and got made a fool of in the second.

Nothing in TFA was interesting but Snoke was one of the more interesting aspects. How did he gain his power after Sheev and Vader died? Why wasn't he around during the Empire? How did he form the first order. These are much more interesting plots than edgybadboy#5423

Can someone with twitter ask the director if Snoke was Plagueis?

Basically, the first movie should've been focused on how the fuck the First Order, Snoke, Kylo, Hux, and Finn tie in together. As it stands, not a single thing about any of the antagonists makes any sense at all.

It was clear to everyone that he was making it up.

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>As it stands, not a single thing about any of the antagonists makes any sense at all.
You are incredibly dim.

The word Sith is never spoken in the OT

No, only to autists that needs to read the official SW encyclopedia because can't understand basic human interaction.

>Emperor calls Vader the "Dark Lord of the Sith" in the OT.
not him but I don't think it is. I know it was in one of the scripts and/or the novels. Just never made it into the movies.

sheev killed plageius so it makes even less sense for snoke to be him

when I first saw the scene as a kid I thought sheev was more reminiscing rather than bullshitting. He looks after into the distance as if remembering the past. Maybe you just have autism.

>How fucking hard could've it been to just simply make my fanfiction into canon


I hate TLJ, but this seems to be half of the complain people make about it

General audience if fucking retarded, not even in a nice or edgy way. They are literally fucking retards with a herd mentality, like they are fucking cows or something.

That and fucking shills, an entire army of useless marketeer degree low-lives aggressively smearing any criticisms. They were under the impression their little "social critiques" would be enough to take the focus of the plot, surprise surprise, everyone with an actual brain hates their shitty hostile takeover.

No, the complain isn't about X or Y not being the correct theory as much as essentially getting nothing and pretending being "bold" and "risky" for that.

Yeah and Vader is continually referred to as a Jedi.
While the Emperor makes it very clear he is not a Jedi and not even a Sith since he has a disdain for lightsabers.
Hes no longer a Sith Lord in the OT he is a dark lord of the Sith. You couldnt argue its the same thing sure but (he ended the rule of two he had multiple apprentices.) Even though Vader is called Darth Vader he was a dark jedi.
Actually its all very confusing.

>star wars lore

Forgot to say The Emperor was exactly what he appeared to be in the OT just a dark side force user

this

>nothing gets explained in 9
>i-i-it's going to explained in 10, obviously!
Just fuck off already.

I just realized this is shaping up to be like the matrix trilogy

says the one who follows the Sup Forums-herd lol

nah, the first matrix was good and hyped everyone up. TFA was mixed to mediocre.

they're so similar it feels like it was intentionally misleading. it's obviously not a coincidence.

He shouldn't be Plagueis simply because it's a popular fan theory, so at this point making Snoke be Plagueis would be fanservice. Interesting stories subvert expectations. No, the saddest thing is, Rian was correct in pointing out that Snoke and Rey are failed character concepts that can't go anywhere, that just rehashing the original trilogy would be stupid. Unfortunately, he wasn't good enough to take that and do something good with it.

They won't take anything from Lucas era that they do not need to. They have made it loud and clear. They want to burn and purge everything sacred about the old lore. Luke, Han, Leia, and the gang were only necessary marketing tools to gather interest. Expendable devices to toss overboard as soon as possible.

These slave drivers are cretins. They deserve the fires of Mustafar for this.

>Rian was correct in pointing out that Snoke and Rey are failed character concepts
when did he say this?

user he can't be Darth Plagueis. the chosen one prophecy was completed when Vader killed Palpatine and destroyed the sith for good.