What do people mean when they say Snoke was 'hyped up'? Like, besides the fact that he's shown to be an evil leader...

What do people mean when they say Snoke was 'hyped up'? Like, besides the fact that he's shown to be an evil leader, what hyping are people talking about?

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what he could potentially be

He could've been the Emperor x1000, but they knew they could never top Sheev.

They're talking out of their assholes. Snoke was just another character.

So headcanon, then? Disney didn't actually hype him at all, people just say they did because they guessed?

people usually expect good writing

They hid him in film, underpromoted him. You only see his face in darkness in TFA. And there seems to be a story built around him that's not random. His physicality seems to reflect his past. Serkis has described him as "strangely vulnerable". It's implied he was around to see the Empire rise and fall. He has specific opinions about Vader's redemption on the DSII in RotJ. He's wealthy, he leads the FA post-RotJ ; he's aware enough of Kylo Ben to turn him.

All this shit adds up and seems to imply a character with a history and a place in the galaxy, not a blank slate.

How dumb are you

>Literally shown at the end of TFA as a 50 foot tall hologram speaking to Kyly and company
>Has a ridiculous looking deformity that makes him look monstrous

>"strangely vulnerable"
Yeah to a shitty lightsaber trick. He was too strong to beat in actual combat so we got that lame cop-out instead of a decent force-user fight.

So Snoke was a red herring?

He's not a blank slate, he's all that implied stuff, it's just that he was betrayed and killed by Kylo who wanted control. I understand people wanted to know more, but he serves a clear purpose in the story, just not as a main character. I think we get a pretty good idea of who this guy is. A few sentences would have been nice but it doesn't ruin the character or make him 'a blank slate', as if we have to pretend we don't have a great impression of this guy as a hidden Sith Lord who survived the Empire but then gets betrayed by his apprentice.
Yeah; he acted like the Sith Lord he is. I just don't know why people insist the biggest hologram in a movie can't be betrayed.

Because he didn't fucking do anything.

Only the 100000 articles about the character that were manifesting every single day for the last three and a half years.

Well, he might be back. He already looks like he's been chopped in half 2 or 3 times as is. OTOH, he might just be dead. NFI anymore.

People keep forgetting that these guys aren't Sith. Its literally stated by J.J. that Snoke and Kylo are not Sith. Kylo says in the film 'let the Sith die.' Not every dark Force user with a red lightsaber is a Sith.

Fuck.

>rules over the first order
>turns kylo away from luke, the most powerful jedi in the galaxy
>uses the force on a guy through a hologram
>dunks on kylo and rey without even trying
>knows kylo's innermost thoughts
>is killed because he wasn't paying attention
One of these things doesn't belong

There were pretty much three factors contributing to that. First of all, he was shown to be a huge-ass intimidating giant in TFA and acted all mysterious. Second, articles all over caused fans to speculate over who he actually was. Third, Disney and the cast and executives always referred to his person being a mystery and never properly revealed who he was. I think he'll come back in Ep9 in a ghost form the way Luke probably will and audiences will find out who he is. That, or using him was literally pointless

>Isn't so much as mentioned offhandedly in any of the previous six films
>Somehow has the resources to put together a military force that rivals the Empire's, and build a superweapon that is at least 5x more effective than the Death Star ever was
>Supposedly stronger than both Vader and Palpatine according to Serkis
Yeah, I have no idea why people thought this guy was hyped up. What a nobody!

Independent of his role in the movie, how he serves a purpose in that film - he 'seems' to have a history, a backstory and a context beyond just being the master Kylo must overcome. That's the stuff that was teased and not yet delivered.

Like, Hamill said "I made up a story for what Luke was up to between RotJ and TFA - that he had a wife and child - but it's not canonical, it was just to help me get in the zone." Fine, but that's not what seems to be the case with Snoke. Snoke seems to have a 'canonical' history. Maybe they'll reveal it in IX.

where the fuck did he get the finances for building all the shit and financing the staff anyway?

You need to go back Sup Forumsermin.

They hyped him up themselves.

lol dude who fuckin cares lmao

It's just a fleet, plus Starkiller base. Remember, this is a setting where you can build a Galaxy-conquering clone and droid army completely in secret just by asking two different companies to do it. I don't think rapid industrialization is a plot hole in this setting considering that the Star Wars universe is full of massive private military producers who will work in secret.

>Hinted that Rey exists as Light to counter Kylo's dark energy
>Both Snoke and Kylo use dark side
>Rey is the balance of Snoke+Kylo

what

Arms dealing at a casino

Idk, he stole it, earned it, or used his literal mind manipulation powers to get the job done.

she's just that good you cis shitlord

>It's just a fleet, plus a superweapon that can and does wipe out an entire fucking solar system

I felt that Luke was supposed to be Snoke's counterpart in this movie, being that Luke and Snoke are both Kylo's failed masters.

What's the problem? I don't think it's crazy that a powerful dark side user can build a secret superweapon base in 30 years.

>he made money selling himself ships he built to fund his buying of the ships

who the fuck wrote this turd?

I think user means that he may have sold arms to the Empire.

This. The thing that seperates Snoke's death and Palpatine's, is that Palpatine was blind sided while focusing all of his energy into an extremely difficult Force spell that only the best dark side users can master. Snoke was sitting in a chair talking his ass off when a lightsaber literally inches from his body turned --
right in his peripheral, too.

He was confident that Kylo would never betray him because he could read Kylo's mind, but he didn't realize that Kylo was controlling his thoughts in order to deceive him.

>it took enitre galaxy fucking spanning Empire decades with all it's resources to build a Death Star, and people involved with said Empire treat it like the ultimate single biggest military project ever
>lol whats the problem with some broke ass king of nothing building something even more powerful in the outer fucking rim with fraction of resoruces xD

But Snoke had more time than Palpatine did. I got the impression that Snoke was brainwashing people and stealing resources when Finn said the First Order kidnapped and brainwashed his soldiers from planets in the first movie.

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still, building Starkilles must have been more complitated and expensive than building Death Star. yet Death Star was the single biggest project undertaken by the single biggest goverment body the Galaxy has ever seen. how the fuck is it possible for Snoke to have such resources? Empire had all the fucking resorces from myriad of systems in the Galaxy, what Snoke had? if he was wealthier than the Emperor, why did he stayed hidden all this time instead of usurping the power? how is it even possible to amass this much resources when you rule some bacwards economies in the outer rim yet out do the fucking Empire? it's the equvalent of some third world didctator suddenly buliding bigger army and nuclear program than fucking United States. it's not possible to do such thing. especially when staying under the radar.
there was good story there that Disney just ignored and in result those movies make no fucking sense in the context of previous ones

Maybe the fact that he made the First Order into the dominant military force in the galaxy

Another question, how the fuck would he have known how to build even a regular old Death Star, let alone a super duper Death Star than eats stars and wipes out solar systems? He must have somehow had knowledge of the original Death Star as a basis, because there's no way he could have built Starkiller in such a relatively short time completely from scratch.

We don't need headcanon, Disney should just change the jedi to the walking street shitters and laser swords are now big black dildos.

Fuck off fans and your shit headcanon we know what star wars is.

A character whose introduction was a 30 foot hologram making it seem as if he towers over all, whose mysterious nature is only explained in that he is so powerful to direct the new empire from a seated position, literally killing billions as he sits, and who controls the new "villain" of kylo ren.

I swear you retards are actually retarded.

You need more than just a story piece in a movie. It's not difficult to attempt some motivation as to his end goal and to make the audience actually care if he succeeds or fails. Stop excusing poor writing.

No.

That's like comparing computers 20 years ago to modern day phones.

You're failing to mention that the markets attempt thousands of products before production costs and efficiency are lowered. I don't see thousands of death stars or star killers nor is there any reason to believe there are.

what? so techonoly stagnated in all areas (they're still using the same fighters as they did in civil war), and only moved in doom weapons departament? why doesn't the Resistance have their own Starkiller or Death Star at leat if it's suddenly something dirt cheap to make?

>That's like comparing computers 20 years ago to modern day phones.
No, it's comparing armies and superweapons to armies and superweapons. Seems like an apt comparison to me.

Like who the fuck is Snoke, how did he build the first order, his force powers.

Well the leak of the Death Star plans is a main plot point of the first movie.

>building Starkilles must have been more complitated and expensive than building Death Star.
Factually incorrect

>villain shown to be an all powerful leader of the First Order on par with the emperor
>seems to be the new trilogy's ultimate antagonist
>his existence raises so many questions, where did he come from? why does he look like that? what connections to the Star Wars past does he have? can we see how he might've built the first order from the empire? how did he meet kylo? why is he so powerful with the force? what are his motivations (other than crush the rebels obviously)
>nope let's just kill him off and fuck you for even wondering.

Classic autism.

Were you bothered by C3P0's red arm as well?

It's explained in the comics. Plus it's not like his arm being red is gee idk comparable to someone you hype up as a main villain of a trilogy. I highly doubt we're going to get a backstory on Snoke in any form for years if ever.

Kylo was clearly the main antagonist, Snoke was just his boss and it's very appropriate to have Kylo betray him considering Kylo was always shown to have huge visions of grandeur and constantly talks about killing anything that gets in his way.

I'm 100% sure there'll be a big tweest on who Snoke was on the third movie.

I dont get why people get this impatient with their headcanons.

I understand that. Kylo killing off Snoke makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is who the fuck is Snoke. Why the fuck is he in charge of the First Order and why the fuck is he there.

It's a bold move to show us that even powerful leaders can fall easily. Really liked it.

He's a dark side Force user who used his powers to amass an army and build a superweapon in uncharted space so he could take over the Galaxy.
Yes I know there's could be more, and there probably will be eventually as EU content or maybe even as part of a movie, but we have everything we need to explain the guy for the sake of these movies: