I find it hilarious how they have managed to kill star-wars as a setting with this one movie...

I find it hilarious how they have managed to kill star-wars as a setting with this one movie. The crux of space-opera is cheap fast travel since space is so big, you need to go from the ice-planet and the desert planet without dying of old age. So you invent a special engine or a wormhole generator or something that does all that. But also ensures that it can't be used as a weapon, by teleporting instantly, or going through another dimension.

What this movie has done, is establish that a hyperdrive can interact with other ships. One of the draws of Star-wars is that so many people have neat little ships to putter around in (people you can identify as and imagine yourself as) that means that with the new hyperdrive canon everyone with a ship, is sitting on a weapon powerful enough to destroy pretty much anything. Everyone. And ships in star-wars are like boats to us. Maybe even cars. Imagine if your car had a hydrogen bomb beside the spare tire? A clump of antimatter in the glovebox?

There will never be another star wars movie wherein there's a big battleship, or battle-station, or massive fleet where you don't go "Why not just hyperspeed-ram it?" And the best part. It's in a movie, not some obscure comic or book. Everyone who has seen the movie has seen the scene. There's no counterargument, because it happened, we saw it. Star-wars has effectively destroyed itself as a semi-believable setting. Because there's no traditional set-up with the big bad fleet and big bad base that can't be ass-raped by a single FTL ship.

how do those ships make damage at lightspeed when theoretically they would not carry mass?

The thing is it not only ruins all future SW movies, it also retroactively ruins the past films and makes them all look like idiots.

>A New Hope - "Sir we've worked out the final plan for the assault on the death star and it will be risky and cost many lives but it migh-" "Just Hyperspace-Ram it"

>Empire - "Sir the troops are ready for the ground assault on Hoth, walkers are ready to deploy" "Just Hyperspace-Ram the shield generator from orbit then Hyperspace-ram the rebel base. Boom. All the rebels will be dead before they can evacuate, wars over, and we never had to do a ground assault"

>Jedi - "Sir they built a new death star and it's even bigg-" "Just Hyperspace-Ram it" "But sir its surrounded by a shield from the Endor moo-" "Just hyperspace ram the endor Moon until you take out the shield generator, Ewoks are collateral damage, then hyperspace ram the new death star"

>Phantom Menace - "Annakin you have to take out that droid controller" "Just hyperspace ram it"

>Rogue One - "We have to take down that shield generator!" "Just hyperspace ra- actually you know what were going to just hyperspace ram the death star anyway so we don't even need these stupid plans. Lets get out of here everybody."

>TFA - My god they built an even BIGGER death sta-" "Just hyperspace ram it"

From now on, in every star wars movie ever made, every single time there is a massive fleet, large base or battlestation everyone watching will be thinking. "Why don't they just hyperspace-ram it". Johnson did this to the entire star wars cinematic universe, forever, for the sake of a ten second shot that "looked cool".

Yeah, but it made over $490 milllion in the box office so it has to be good.
Fuck off, nazi.

Well the proof is in the pudding, she took out an entire fleet of 17 ships. You saw it, we all saw it.

All they have to do in Episode IX is add some little bullshit line from General Hux like “Thankfully we have perfected our anti-lightspeed energy barriers” like they did with lightspeed tracking suddenly being a thing in TLJ.

yes but its hard for me to accept it makes sense, even in fantasy settings.
It took me a long time to relax my issues with lightsabers having a set length

>everyone watching will be thinking. "Why don't they just hyperspace-ram it".
implying people have attention spans for that

never mind all that, if the rebel fleet was fast enough to outrun the first order fleet to make the cannons less effective, why wasn't it fast enough to just keep pulling away until it was out of range entirely?

Why did they get just barely out of range and then stay there?

Because they were running out of fuel, and they realized the First Order was tracking them through hyperspace.

>Empire - "Sir the troops are ready for the ground assault on Hoth, walkers are ready to deploy" "Just Hyperspace-Ram the shield generator from orbit then Hyperspace-ram the rebel base. Boom. All the rebels will be dead before they can evacuate, wars over, and we never had to do a ground assault"

Vader was trying to catch Luke there, so he wouldn't risk killing him.

Yes, it's another very stupid thing in a badly written film full of stupid things.

The guy literally says to Hux, "Sir they are faster than us" Yet the ships always stay exactly the same distance away from the First Order fleet for the entire movie.

It's one of the stupidest movies ever made, and there are hundreds of examples of things like this.

You may have autism

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sounds like mutually assured destruction. i.e. preventing any damage at all.

That's not it at all though, since in a fleet battle it just comes down to whoever hyperspace-rams first, the other side never gets to retaliate since they are annihilated.

You lose one ship with a hyperdrive and one pilot (or not even that if you have a non-sentient droid pilot the ship), your enemy gets fucking obliterated.

just turn your brain off. Man I hate nerds

B-BAKANA

>massive movie breaking plot hole
>lel just turn your brain off

This is some intense high test autism, with all the things that are wrong with this movie and you're reeeeing at this?

I love when people make this excuse, completely ignorant of the fact that they're essentially saying that the only way to enjoy the movie is to enter the mindset of a literal retard.

It's just a movie lol just eat some popcorn and enjoy it!
t. DIDF

Go to wookiepedia, search *robot ramship*.
This concept has been around longer than you think.

why they even build death stars
why not just ram slightly bigger than average hunk of metal at planets at light speed?

It's not really autism at all. It's basic reasoning. It's like seeing a movie about people freezing to death while there's a fireplace with logs, paper, and matches nearby.

There's a difference between retardation and a willing suspension of disbelief.

>I don't know what words mean

Suspension of disbelief has absolutely nothing to do with the problem of the hyperspace ram.

No it's not it's a movie for children about non existent unexplained technology, full autism. It's on the same level as why didn't the Eagles fly them to Mordor.

This is literally what should have happened.

I thought she was just going to reposition the ship to physically block the cannon fire from hitting the transports. She could still have her noble sacrifice and save the rebellion and blah blah blah. But then they decide nah it's the year of the woman we need to give this character we just introduced the most epic universe-shattering death the Star Wars movies have ever seen because she's worth it.

Now compare that to Luke's death.

it's a fucking fantasy setting and it's pretty obvious that distances implied in those movies would require FTL travel which is impossible in the first place so the idea that they simply travel from point a to point b and can interact with anything on the way makes no sense to begin with. It was just a cool shot that had 0 scientific background so please stop.

So Rebels are literally ISIS?

alternate models of hyperspace:
>hyperspace actually works by "compressing" or "bending" space close together in a straight line so that you aren't actually moving fast, more your path gets shorter (hence the effect where the ships look like they are being stretched ) any interceptions along this shortened path will be like normal collisions or alternatively, hyperspace does not initiate unless path is clear

They were able to do it because Disney thinks you're a drooling idiot who will accept whatever is put in front of you.

so someone couldnt do this to the death starS or any super weapon

There are clear reasons why the eagles didn't take them to Mordor. You shills are so desperate it's sickening to see the levels you stoop to.

>There are clear reasons why the eagles didn't take them to Mordor
Absurd reasons. Just admit that it's a plothole because it clearly is, every swinging dick coming out of the theater was asking the same question about the eagles.

>Every important ship/fleet/planet is now accompanied by a fucking swarm of Interdictors to hopefully prevent the hyperspace ram apocalypse
Beautiful

>please stop having a criticism on the movie
cant shut me up, pal.

Mass is not needed to transport energy, see light for example.
t. physicist

Listen, you're clearly a knuckle dragging retard and shouldn't be wasting your limited mental capabilities typing words on a nepalese ice-carving forum. If I were you I'd focus on basic tasks like breathing and not shitting yourself.
At least that had the benefit of being briefly mentioned in Rogue One, providing an indication however minor that there was some forethought toward the idea's place in a larger canon

It's a scifi equivalent of jumping a shark.

are you suggesting the light hitting the ships was superpowerful that it caused damage?
would that then mean it is impossible for the ships to come back?

I mean this isn't the worst part of the movie (Luke Skywalker's character assasination is) but all this is true and it breaks any consistency this god forsaken franchise ever had

They don't have a set length. The jedi sets it when he/she builds it. Some are adjustable because they have multiple crystals.

Yep. It was neat to watch, but they sold out the entire star wars universe so they could have one flashy scene. Lame. Oh well. "Just don't think about it" is going to be the catchprase moving forward if you still want to like these movies.

You could literally destroy a planet by ramming an x-wing into it at FTL speed. You don't need a giant janky base with a laser the size of my dick. Rebels need a new Kamikaze Squadron.

Still makes all past rebels look stupid for not thinking of it sooner. I mean, when Han is talking about going through stars or bouncing too close to a supernova, why nobody think it would be a good idea to do it on purpose to the enemy?

OK, there is soft SciFi and reality.
In reality the velocity of the light, let's call it c, is the velocity of the causality. Light is composed of photons, which are massless and for a lucky and strange way, everything that has no mass has got the velocity of causality (the fact that cause generate effect, c is the maximum velocity possible).
So, it's impossible for something to go over c, or the events would not have causality, that is required by axiom in the majority of physical theories (modern physics is close to philosophy), and it's just common sense.
Keep in mind that the light it's not important here, c is a theoretical limit of causality. Period. Light has only this characteristic experimentally visualizable.
So, after this premise: sorry, no FTL for you EVER. It doesn't care how much strange particles you use, you can't have effect before cause and everything that moves have energy that can transport.
But, this is soft SciFi, so, there is no problem, use the FTL and make ships explode! The internal coherence of the star wars FTL is never fully explained.
Reference: see special relativity on wiki
Protip: dump soft SciFi and read hard SciFi like Greg Egan, remember to get a PhD to understand the themes too

this desu

and the worst part is that shot was completely unnecessary. laura dern was going to die anyway. you couldve had rey escape and finn/rose just not get caught and all we’d miss was that lame phasma fight and the epic scene of the epic robot killing people

god the more i think about this movie the more i hate it what a trainwreck. after the blu ray comes out someone will make an edit of just the rey/kylo scenes up to and including the throne room and ill watch that and pretend it was the whole film.

Obviously don't take for real my protip, I'm scarred for life because of physics.

Explain this then

WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THEY JUST HAVE ACKBAR MAKE A GALLANT LAST FUCKING STAND AND MAYBE CRIPPLE THE ENEMY SHIP THROUGH SUPERIOR MANEUVERING/COMMAND OR SOME SHIT HOLY FUCK

FUCK THIS FUCKING MOVIE ACKBAR WAS ON THE FUCKING BRIDGE AND GOT REPLACED BY SOME DUMB CUNT

I would have been ok with this. At least it made more sense than the hyperspace ram.

Unironically yes actually.
ANH was actually a metaphor for the Taliban fighting the Russians back in the 70s when the US still thought the Taliban were the good guys

I hate Star Wars I actually watched the first 6 movies to see what is so amazing, but it's shit and I made the same question when I saw the webm.

Yes. Cut the purple haired bitch entirely out of the story and have her parts replaced by ackbar/leia. Instead of having the retarded ass scene where she uses the force to pull herself back on board, have the bridge get hit, she uses the force to save ackbar (maybe lifting something off of him) and ackbar goes out like a fucking hero holding off the imperial fleet at cost of his own demise. you can even still do all of Po's learning and character arc, you just bounce him off of ackbar and/or leia instead. the purple haired woman was completely superfluous.

I just can't even fathom why they would write it this way. This shit writes itself.

>DUDE JUST TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN LOL

Behold soyboys, for I am the Chevy Cadillac, put your estrogen space soap operas behind you and follow me to a better place.

Think the actor died before the movie. So they just killed him off

That's a joke, right? Because at this point I don't even know anymore.

>You have autism if you think about things logically
Fucking faggot Nu Wars shill.

Why not just adjust them to like 100 metres or something?

Also it's a universe chock full of dispensable droids that can do the whole thing without having to sacrifice a human being.

No, he really did die before they shot the movie. That explains why they just killed him off in a sort of off-handed comment.

Not him, but the reason is not explained in the film, so is a plothole of the film.
I would not watch a movie that require me to read the book to understand the imprecisions. If you have no time to explain then in the film, change the story, make an adaptation.

>>Jedi - "Sir they built a new death star and it's even bigg-" "Just Hyperspace-Ram it" "But sir its surrounded by a shield from the Endor moo-" "Just hyperspace ram the endor Moon until you take out the shield generator, Ewoks are collateral damage, then hyperspace ram the new death star"

Worse than that, even. They established in TFA that you can move through shields at lightspeed.

I think the explanation is that they're weapons for defense, and 100 meters seems more offensive than defensive, but don't quote me on that.

The sith would care, why?

>mfw grown up people rave about how Star Wars is the best sci-fi story ever written
>they haven't even heard of Dune
Sad

What they did is that basically everybody has a nuke, the same way everybody has a car. Now anyone can literally blow up a planet if they feel like it with something as cheap as a car. And in a setting with so many heartless bastards the fact that nobody used it before makes no sense.

Ramming things at hyperspace isn’t a practical strategy. Why would you waste spacecraft carriers on kamikaze attacks? You’d quickly run out of ships amd ways to transport people, equipment, and weapons/vehicles. It was a last-ditch effort in TLJ, but not a preferred strategy by any means.

Yeah but like, it's not like nobody could do his voice or sit in his makeup. They've replaced people like him before. I dunno. I thought it wasn't an epic enough ending for a character so epic. Just kind of felt like they discarded him.

do waves and particles not have mass?

stick a FTL engine on a big asteroid and use that

the bigger point is that absolutely no military force would be stupid enough to even bother building large cruisers/dreadnaughts in a world where a ship 1/100th the size can blow it up with a simple hyperdrive engine (equipped on virtually every spacecraft in the universe)

>Maiars don't want to be near the ring because it can totally corrupt them
>"absurd reasons"
Yeah, why didn't Gandalf picked the ring and beat Sauron? makes no sense

>spacecraft carriers
Or you could do it with smaller craft. The prequels had an army of tiny hyperspace capable drone operated fighters that the new movies would really like for you to forget about. Even then, just slap an R2 unit in your x wing and wave him goodbye.

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Pink hair has literally the highest kill count in all of the star wars universe

if the target is more expensive than the missile it's always practical and makes sense as a strategy

like trading pawns for queens

Shut up faggot, auto pilot and disposable, cheap spacecraft aplenty are things. I would throttle you if I could for being so dense, fucking star wars.

Interdictors. Gravity wells. Space combat in Star Wars never made sense and was always WWII aerial battles.

The movie sucked but you are the worst kind of wannabe-fan contrarian cunt. If you ended your life right now the world as a whole would be better for it you autistic poser piece of human garbage.

Maybe she left hyperspace right before hitting the ships and the momentum caused the rest? Does it matter? Star Wars is about rule of cool

why even build deathstar to begin with
just ram something bit smaller to the planet you wanna fuck up in hyperspace instead

>he thinks Star Wars space combat ever made sense to begin with
Go watch Star Trek if you want "realistic" sci-fi.

Pretty sure the guy who pulled the lever on the Death Star had higher.

Didn't you already learn your lesson at my hand in the other thread you little bitch? Oooh you know about gravity wells, what street cred, as you said, you have, what a laugh. You gravity wells aren't going to stop a Mon Cal battleship from exiting hyperspace right up your capital ships ass, as this film portrays.

I agree and get where you're coming from. I guess they just wanted to respect his passing by killing off the character instead of having someone else do it.

Makes me wonder how they'll handle Leia.

58% drop shill

It's a WAR CRIME

Wave and particles are the same thing, a quantum packet and this sometimes have mass, sometimes it doesn't.
The photons and the gravitons (this is argued) are massless, every other particle discovered have mass.
Note the fact that having mass slow your capability of reaching the c velocity.

He will guide them, soon

Well they could've minimized the loss by using one or two bombers, or even those medical ships, to hyperspeed-ram the big one.

>They established in TFA that you can move through shields at lightspeed.
Oh yeah, forgot about that.... awkward...

As matter approaches the speed of light, it's mass approaches infinity. It's the basic premise of the special theory of relativity.

It's never been really explained how the Star Wars hyperdrive gets around this, but I'd assume it's some kind of cheat of physics like the Star Trek warp drive.
The dangers of light speed travel have been brought up a bunch of times in various Star Wars movies before, you've just never seen it go so wrong as to fly a Calamari Cruiser into a fucking Super Star Destroyer size flagship.

The ships in stars wars always seem more populated than the planets

Not him but it could go like this from Hux:

"Damn I can't believe we took down our anti lightspeed shields for a few minutes to shoot at the transports. What are the chances?!"

God I hope they don't give her the Tarkin treatment.