How much did we know about the emperor by the end of Empire Strikes Back?

How much did we know about the emperor by the end of Empire Strikes Back?

He was the emperor. Snoke is Hugh Hefner

The only decent point.

I knew he was alive

You don't seem to grasp the concept of "sequel".

Man, new star wars we're good!
It was the first time that I had gone to a movie where EVERYONE shut the hell up and all of us were able to hear each line, we all laughed (and HARD) together literally at the same time and I'm speaking of the ENTIRE theater in a NYC movie theater no less. When they killed off Snoke, I swear the theater erupted in howling laughter at the same time. Black and white people were giving high-fives to each other, I saw at least two people wiping away TEARS from laughing so hard and one guy actually FELL out of his seat into the aisle he was laughing soooo hard. Absolutely no one expected that. Brilliant writing. The funniest movie ever AFTER Blazing Saddles, Young Frankenstein, and High Anxiety. Sorry gang, no movie is funnier than a Rian Johnson movie.

Empire Strikes Back was a sequel to ANH an STILL didn't explain anything about the emperor. That much I know.

He was evil Emperor of the evil Empire, and Vader was his bitch.

The Emperor wasn't in ANH so it was a big deal when it was revealed that he was the real man in charge and not Tarkin and Vader

i heard a few gasps and one black guy went "holy fucking shit nigga"

He was an old lady with glowey chimp eyes.

We didn't need to know anything, because the film establishes that the empire has been the status quo for some time. It even mentions the emperor dissolving the Senate. Now that the universe has been established and fleshed out, you can't just throw extremely powerful sith Lords into the mix with ZERO explanation. What was Snoke during the OT and PT? How did Sheev not know there was another powerful force user? Etc. Etc.

sheev was a much smaller part of his first 2movies than snoke.

No? How so? They are both unexplained big bads that are in charge of anything. That's all you ever knew and all you needed to know until the prequel Trilogy

Empires have an Emperor, doofus. Plus Tarkin mentioned that the Emperor just dissolved the Senate (literally, I hope).

back to plebbit, mouseketeer

Look it's the latest Mouse Shill talking point.

He was a member of the old republic who gained power after the end of the clone wars.
He controlled the entire galaxy.
He removed the senate.
His name was Palpatine.


I didn't mention comics and videogames btw.

But it's totally a fair point, and you resorting to name calling only proves that further

Loads of empires didn't have an official title of Emperor

>They are both unexplained big bads that are in charge of anything.

>How much did we know about the emperor by the end of Empire Strikes Back?

I knew he wasn't dead. :^)

emperor showed up for like 20 seconds in empire as a obscured hologram. he didnt do shit until rotj

You will get it, just not in the movies, because backstory exposition isn't what this movie's focus is.

That he rose to power as the Old Republic fell. That he was old had a strong relationship with The Force. That he and Darth Vader a strong Master/Apprentice relationship. What more is there to know, shill? If you're going to give us the same premise, but subverted, we need some flavortext to make it "different".

... Sheev didn't die in ESB though?

If he had, we'd have the same feeling as Snoke. But he was "revealed" in ESB & expanded upon in ROTJ & something to look forward to as fans.

He had a single scene in ESB.

Meanwhile Snoke had several scenes in TFA and in TLJ. Both serve the same purpose, but one was kept misterious for a reason, giving you pieces of information on each movie, the other was just a "lol trolled you" device.

We only know two things about Suprem leader Snoke, his name is Snoke and he's the Supreme Leader of the First Order.

It's a silly point, we didn't see the Emperor until ESB while Snoke featured in TFA. We didn't see the emperor die in ESB and we had another movie with him to look forward to.

except that the emperor didnt make a proper appearance until the RoTJ. He was barely in the empire and there was nothing about him other than "theres that guy that exists" in the new hope.

We also didn't know Sheev's backstory in RotJ.

Hivemind bros.

yeah it's almost like it's a really obvious point

>But it's totally a fair point

You can't grasp the difference between a key player being foreshadowed and then ultimately confronted versus a big bad who just dies like a bitch?

More to the point the status quo of ANH is explained well. The galaxy is ruled by the iron fisted empire, led by the shadowy emperor figure.

We know much more about the universe in the new trilogy, and thus questions like "but how did Snoke come to rule the new empire" and "how did they take over the entire galaxy after attacking one solar system" and "where did they get the resources to rebuild everything and an even bigger death star after losing everything" become more important.

You can't pretend it's similar when they have to make these movies make sense within an established framework.

We didn't know the entire backstory, but we did know he was a political member of the republic, that he gained power after the end of clone wars, that he removed the senate and became the undisputed Emperor literally ruling over the whole galaxy.

IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT MY FRIEND

It is BECAUSE of the OT that Snoke having no backstory is weird. If these movies were the first to come out, it wouldn't be as strange. But there's a whole period of time between RotJ and TFA that we wanted to know about.

Rian will get a prequel trilogy covering Knights of Ren and Snokes origins.

4-6 he was the emperor, the last boss.
1-3 expanded upon him in much further detail.

Snoke doesn't make sense because he's not in any of the preceeding 6(7) films.

When he debuts in force awakens, we have no clue about him. He dies in the next one without any """""""back story"""""".

Every single ancient one in another galaxy did. Prove me wrong.

Tarkin literally says, "The Emperor" just in case you thought the Empire didn't have one, or in case you thought Grand Moff was the Emperor's title.

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Before Empire Strikes Back we had (1-3), (5); so 4 movies about the backstory of Sheev.

Snoke debuted in The Force Awakens, & the previous 6 films, spinoffs & cartoons never featured him. He dies in The Last Jedi & we haven't a clue who he is.

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The point is that it was a big reveal in ESB that he was the big bad and wasn't Vader pulling all the strings

I know this might come as a shock to some people, but 1-3 actually came out after 4-6

Just like Snioke.

When people bring up this point they're talking about when the OT was released but the PT wasn't. If that's part of your counter-point then they could just say that there could be expository media that just hasn't been released yet.

What? 1-3 came out after 4-6.

>How much did we know about the emperor by the end of Empire Strikes Back?
IF the new trilogy was a reboot officially then i had not a huge issue with snokes death. but sadly thats not the case so you wonder where he was during PT/OT

That he hadn't been wasted in a lazy attempt to shift emphasis on Vader

except it isn't a fair point, the Emperor had a written backstory, Lucas wrote the original episode 1, 2, and 3 before deciding to start with A New Hope, it just wasn't necessary to explain why the Empire was led by an Emperor

On the other hand it seems prudent to answer how the first order was established and why it's led by an alien corpse looking motherfucker who remained hidden through the last 6 movies

Could you imagine how strange it would have been if Palpatine was not present in the prequels with no explanation?

Did Snoke not pay his taxes? Is Kylo Ren the embodiment of the tax inspector?

We knew enough about him by proxy too Vader.
Vader was a scary, imposing figure that the entire galaxy feared and the Emperor was a guy who Vader kneeled before and called Master.
This was all we needed to see to know the Emperor was not only powerful he was certainly a foe to be feared.

>Lucas wrote the original episode 1, 2, and 3
>he actually believes this

>Lucas wrote 1 2 and 3 before deciding to start with a new hope

Ahahah is this an attempt to lie or do you just have no fucking clue what you are talking about?

...

He didn't write 1-3 first.

>when the background written up on the republic for star wars (the real name of a new hope) and the merging of two characters turns into a fully written prequel trilogy treatment because Lucas says so.
Hmm

It is a shock isn't it?

The same criticisms of the emperor can be applied to any character between 4-6, as it's self contained. So comparing Snoke & Sheev is mute.

'Cause, opps .. this might come as a shock to some people .. Snoke is debut, but isn't in any of the previous films, so where did he come from?

Except when the originals were released they were self contained, & there were no autists questioning who the "badies" were, as they as any movies villiains.

Snoke is in a sequel, & he wasn't featured in 1-6 so now you have a valid question as to where he came from, considering it's the same story & it isn't answered.

It's the same with The New Order, in it's own self contained movie they're the bad guys, but it follows 6 other movies, and doesn't explain.

But then again this is all obvious to non brainlets.

I agree that snoke having no back story is stupid. All I'm saying is that you can't use the 1-3 movies as characterization for Sheev because they were after the fact.

>Snoke is in a sequel, & he wasn't featured in 1-6 so now you have a valid question as to where he came from, considering it's the same story & it isn't answered.
Comletely incorrect.

ROTJ is the third entry in the trilogy and his appearance serves as part of the climax. Snoke appears 6-7 movies in with context and dies like a bitch midway through the SECOND film of a new trilogy. Not at all comparable, friendo.

they showed plenty of snoke in last jedi and still more of him in force awakens than emperor in a new hope.

THIS

*no context

>The New Order
HOW DOES IT FEEL

Greece is on earth.

Spain is on earth. Read the post you reply to.

>A long time ago in a galaxy far far away
And Earth is in SW galaxy

Not much, but I wanted to know more.
Which I was happy the prequels at least delivered some backstory.

He had the general idea of it. The first few pages of the original's novelization is a quick rundown of the prequels.

Name five

Can you not read?

five

The British Empire
Nazi Germany
Egyptian Empire

This thread assumes that we won't get any Snoke backstory in IX.

There are people walking around in Rogue one who don't have heads called the decraniated. Grievous is just a partial head, heart, and lungs. RotS mentions a Sith who could cheat death. Snoke will be back.

There's a guy in Canto Bight casino who has a droid lower half and a droid arm, too.

...

This. The Empire had already been introduced in ANH.

We can then infer a lot about his character in ESB since Darth Vader, one of the baddest characters in Sci-fi, acts like a servant so much that he leaves the asteroid field Han and Leia are in just to get a clear signal.

They mention the Emperor in the first movie! They don't call him Caesar, Furher, Pharoah, or some word Lucas made up. They call him the Emperor. Why are you even arguing this?

there was not a point of being so powerful sith force user whatever exist and never seen before

Stop your whaboutism sweetie, the mouse is finished and you should jump ship fast you mickyshill.

Are you having a stroke?

>How did Sheev not know there was another powerful force user
How would he have known? It's not like he was able to track down Yoda or Obi Wan.

Vader only knew Obi Wan was close when he was on the same space station as him. And they were only able to know about Luke when he was close by.

The force doesn't let them just search for every force user in the galaxy and know their location.

Whatever happened to those leaks/rumors saying that Snoke owned Canto Bight as part of his backstory and how he funds the First Order? Did it ever amount to anything or nah? I think something as simple as that would have made him more interesting and it might have salvaged the Finn/Rose subplot if they were inadvertently targeting the heart of the First Order.

Rian Johnson literally talks about Snoke as if he isn't dead.

This is a retarded argument. Empire Strikes Back was the second movie in the franchise. We didn't know the history of the setting. Episodes 7 and 8 are happening when the setting is old as fuck and we know all the events that happened in the past hundred years. We know about the Clone Wars, and the rise of the Empire, and the purge of the Jedi, and everything that's been happening for ages. If Star Wars as a setting was 50 years old when ESB came out and Emperor was suddenly introduced as a character then yeah people would have the right to ask who the fuck is this dude

I just hope Abrams picks up on it. Rian even hints that if Snoke were to return, it would have an impact in the powerplay between him and Kylo due to the latter's unexpected betrayal.

If Snoke revives, Rey is the only person Kylo can turn to. Unless a faction of the FO sides with him instead of the scarier undead guy.

nothing, but we didn't care because there weren't 8 movies, 1163 vidya, 1237 books, 182648 cartoons.
We only knew he is the emperor, and it was always the emperor. But we really want to know WHERE THE FUCK WAS SNOKE IN OTHER MOVIES.

But the Emperor doesn't die in Empire Strikes Back.

>How much did we know about the emperor by the end of Empire Strikes Back?
so you mean both movies are shit? ok with me mate

It's one thing to present an original trilogy where mystery is actually attractive, and to make a sequel trilogy that adds things without explanation or reason. The prequels at least attempted to answer questions from the OT, the ST so far is mostly adding mysteries that are actually attractive and encourage the viewer to wonder about them, but the response is instead "you're dumb for wondering lmao"

Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to famalam.

So what you guys are saying is that the Emperor also showed up only in two movies, the first he appears in being only in the form of a hologram, and he only appeared in his second movie to die after doing some Force fuckery? Damn, if only they did something similar this time and didn't change so much... No, i mean it, Kylo killed the fucker and took control over the first order, Vader talked about doing it all the time and never went through with it, it was very cool to see it go in such a different direction.

On a side note, i want a film about a regular trooper, just a tie pilot, a stormtrooper or something going to war, being in conflict over doing whatever he has to do and having to feed his family, seeing the horrors of war and later going back to his family only to find out his life will never be the same... You know, basically something Disney will never do...

I think people were spoiled by the EU and wookipedia having an answer for everything. So now they don't have answers and they are screeching like autists.

Some user explained it really well in another thread, and I will try to regurgitate the argument.


In the original trilogy you don't know anything about Sheev because he is simply the embodiment of the omnipotence of the Empire. Even though Vader is our main villain there is some even more evil, more ancient, and more powerful force (hehe) behind it all. this made the Rebel's struggle seem all the more difficult, and thus all the more exciting when they defeated this galactic force.

in the new trilogy, we already have an established universe, where the emperor was destroyed, and we all assumed the empire along with him, but no, now there's 'The First Order' with some dude leading it. But how did he get control? was he always around? is he a sith? was he the guy really pulling the string with the empire all along?

When you create a sequel and just reset the plot, without any real explanation, it is frustrating.

I knew of the EU in parts but never indulged enough in them to feel spoiled by the ideas they offered. If anything, the whole Snoke business reeks of inevitable EU story damage control and I'm not a huge fan of it.

no, you didn't know whether or not he was alive.
you were not sure if he was dead.
he might have drowned in the bathtub or suffered a heart attack off screen, you never know with a sith his age.

>He removed the senate
He WAS the senate