People saying The Last Jedi is shit and worse than the Prequels

>People saying The Last Jedi is shit and worse than the Prequels.

What's happening here?

Is this simply a meme gone too far, or is The Last Jedi genuinely that bad?

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Prequels are better than they get credit for —
they had real artistic inspiration behind them, which people look back on in fondness.

Modern films are soulless shit.

The prequels were actually really good with a few minor flaws

No, it was really awful

OT > PT >>>>>> ST

Objective fact. If you disagree you're either a liar, really dumb or in denial.

The execution of literally every single filmmaking element in the prequels is sub par to atrocious, except for the sound design and the soundtrack.

I assume people are just trying to trick redditors into writing long posts about how "the prequels were actually great" so they can laugh at them. The Last Jedi is bad enough to make someone second guess that shit though

Yes, it is that bad. Let that sink in, this is worse then phantom menace AND attack of the clones!!

It's not bad. But it upset Star Wars chads because it wasn't that much of a spectacle and nerds because mah Luke

Yea, but I can look past the often poor craft (though I think its failings are exaggerated) and there's actually a story there that I can appreciate. Even if it doesn't come across as well as it could.

This new stuff is just glossy cardboard.

this

It's equal to or worse than AOTC

Prequels were actually still star wars. This movie doesn't even understand what a Jedi is.

Both nu Star Wars film are worse than the Prequels because they don't feel like Star Wars.
They're like Fan Films there's no escaping that. It's not nostalgia either I'm not that old or nostalgic in general.
These new Star Wars films are like veggy burgers there's no meat there if you know what I mean and I'm not a fucking vegan.

I'm not saying that the new stuff is good, but the prequels are heavily flawed and nothing can change that.

TLJ is bad in different ways than the prequels. But people see everything in power levels so they can't help but compare apples and oranges.

I wouldn't pay money to go see TLJ, if that is what you're asking.

How can TLJ if it was inspired by Hitchcock and Kurosawa? :^)

The generation grown with AVGN and internet critics wasn't upvoting comments when the prequels were around, so we can collectively doubt they were ever that bad.
The pleasure of sinking a ship this big will always outweigh the pleasure of being fair, so we'll never know, the prequels and this will be judged fairly only once our generation is entirely dead.

>prequels
Bad direction, bad writing, bad cinematography, overuse of CGI, poor structure, miscast actors, and shitty out of place "comedy"

>nuWars
Bad writing, lack of originality, shallow characters, shitty out of place "comedy"

Which is worse?

>Johnson's argument makes no sense.

It's not an argument, it's word salad to deflect.

>"Conversations that are happening"

Your movie sucks. Oh, not that conversation.

>if sw is going to grow, move forward

See, this is what I said all along. Killing Han, killing Luke, it's intentional. It's saying fuck you for being invested in these characters and not embracing the new ones. They're literally saying it's a market reason. All this diversity crap shoved down your throat, because that's where they think the SW market can grow.

"White nerds will see the movie anyway", this argument is used quite earnestly over and over. They need to appeal to women and minorities.

They're planning the franchise into 2050, and by that time white people will be a minority in virtually the entire west. This is why they're pushing this shit so hard. It's just money, and underestimating the backlash of treating that core audience like they're disposable.

Nuwars

Sheev makes up for the prequel

It is pretty bad. I'm casual Chad and I love Marvel quipshit and I couldn't stomach TLJ. I don't know what it is. Looks like some nerdshit but nothing is interesting and then they have this dumb humour in between that makes no sense.

It’s actually a pretty good movie, arguably better than return of the Jedi

But Sup Forums essentially is trying to argue that women and colored people are portrayed positively at the expense of the white male characters; who they see as always demeaned as villains, clowns, or pussies.

It’s a valid complaint in some instances, but not in this one.

There’re training scenes where Ray acts like an idiot, and pisses off the natives with her idiocy. Both kylo and luke save the protagonists lives at various points in the film. Finn and the Chinese girl fail to recruit the code breaker guy, go for the shady discount guy they were in jail with, and get captured twice (like idiots). Purple hair lady and Poe reconcile by the end of the film.

The entire point of the film is that we need to move on in life, and accepting changes brought about by life’s trials is the only way to stay alive and keep the past vivid; and the movie does this in a respectful manner. Sup Forums wouldn’t have a problem with luke’s ending, nor would whine that Rey is a Mary Sue, if she was a white man.

2 movie in and I ask myself why should I care about any of these characters.

You have to earn it baby. Me wanting to like Star Wars is not enough to keep me invested.

>arguably better than return of the Jedi
stopped reading

no lucas, no Star wars.

>Sup Forums shit

Not an argument

prequels have their own flaws, but in overall I love them
sure, the dialogue is cringy at times, but otherwise the movies dare the build new worlds, show wider scale of Galactic state of affairs, show us what is really happening with the end of Republic, and there are some good lightsabre duels and space fights, that is Stars Wars as usual. We see Anakin progress from scared kid into someone who is willing to make a pact with evil if it means saving the lives of those he loves. We see the arrogance of the Jedi and how old man Sheev is masterfully manipulating both sides. The soundtrack is amazing and some of the scenery is stunning (yes, lot of bad CGI too).


meanwhile TLJ leaves you broken on the inside as you watch Darth Mickey rip apart old canon and destroy Luke Skywalker, whilst giving you a flick that barely feels like Star Wars but still has the tag in the name, so ofc you went to see it. The side characters do their own things, but it doesn't really matter anyway, it's kinda random background filler for the Reylo plot. Hyperspace ramming is something that should not exist, yet here we go... gotta make the kids amazed over how amazing kamikazes are, but couldn't let Admiral Ackbar do it because that would be politically incorrect you know. We have no idea who is Snoke or what happened with abandoned plots like Knights of Ren or teasing about Rey's parents (literal nobodies wew) and the rest of the galaxy might as well not exist as we witness a 2 hour long episode of Battlestar Galactica with last brave survivors fleeing through space from evil baddies. First Order takes Disney villain incompetence to a next intergalactic level and it makes you want to facepalm in ways you previously didn't considered possible, like maybe with a hyperscape missile guided palm aimed at your brain.

this doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of everything thats wrong with TLJ

>one good character
>five hours of film

No thanks.

>stopped reading
I think you meant “started crying”

>>Sup Forums shit
>Not an argument

What the fuck are you talking about you mental midget? How is it Sup Forums? This is what they're saying to you directly and you choose not to look?

The growth market for Star Wars is not white men.

this

I think this is really the crux of it. Obviously the new films are better in a technical sense, but they feel sterile and soulless, like they were assembled by a committee. The prequels, misguided and (sometimes) awful as they were, at least had some kind of heart.

...

>that is Stars Wars as usual
If you grew up in the 2000's with the prequels and the EU, maybe.

>2 movies
>No good characters

No thanks

Honesty, I agree.

They were a mess, sure. But an over-passionate, over-emotional mess by someone with clumsily good, well-meaning intentions.

TLJ has no soul. It's a corporately-constructed exercise in money-printing. They do not care for the mythos of Star Wars. It's not anyone's "Project of Passion" now, and it shows. There's nothing there.

This.
I mean, just look at characters.
Rey. A girl with no personality that started her journey by...following a lost droid. That is really too strong in the force, too skilled, too everything. Why should i care about her ? She has no past, no goals.

Finn. A stormtrooper under ptsd that slaughter his companions at first occasion, and is a racist parody with no real qualities. And no reasons to fight.

Poe. He is the pilot. Absolute pilot. He can do things that are completly impossible in that universe. At no point i can believe it. And personality ? None. Another bland character.

Ben solo. The stupid name aside, he is supposed to be the heir to vader. Are you serious ? All i see is an angry emo teenager that had no real reason to become a darksider. Wooo, luke frightened him, poor kiddo.

Hux. Hux...where to start. Compare with Piett, Tarkin, Veers...he is even pathetic compared to ozzel.

We can continue but the point is made. For a story, you need characters. Not this.

no you're just racist.
Get used to it ;^)

Yeah. The critics really nailed it, its obvious.
*sigh*
We have incredible tech today, why cant we also have the creativity and acting skills of past decades ?

Exactly. Prequels are an original story, whereas the sequels are recycled garbage to sell plushies.

This isn't a situation where you like one if the other sucks, both nuWars and the prequels are garbage. I'd rather neither exist.

It was so bad it killed any interest I have with these movies going forward
Say what you will about TFA and R1 at least they felt like SW
This truly was fanfic and a really shitty one at that

piss off, nuWars also had terrible structure on top of ZERO world building, little to no creative direction and no sense of grounded storytelling and continuity

TLJ and the prequels are both awful but they're different kinds of awful. TLJ is down right offensive in the way it seemingly on purpose tries to ruin everything, every character of value, every interesting story concept, just ruin it all.

it's that bad.
see dipshits like this from plebbit blame everything on muh racism or sexism and every ism, in complete denial.

Everyone making these movies is cynical and miserable, and it shows because it's just a collection of scenes following a checklist (here's where the woman puts the spick in his place, here's where the negro comes in to fill the quota, quip quip quip quip ACTION SCENE sad scene QUIP reference to the old movie) with fucking awful post modernist meta writing based around audience expectations (which will make no sense to someone watching the movie in ten years) and with no structure or continuity where noone is having fun making it, so it doesen't have any drive or passion or heart
Seriously even John Boyega sounds like a depressed cynical fuck in interviews, noone cares about these fucking movies except for mark hamill who is also miserable because he seems to realize he's starring in complete garbage
The prequels may be the work of a shutin autist who has no idea how human beings interact, but at least they have a beginning, middle and end and he seemed genuinely passionate about building all the little creatures that were going to get turned into toys

I thought Hux wasn't too bad in TFA. Domhnall Gleeson played him well, and there was enough intrigue there.

Shame that they saw better that he should be a goofy comic-relief character in TLJ. Nice.

Notice how all of that is contingent on heavy Hispanic growth?

Am I allowed to say that I thought Rogue One was great? No? OK. Sorry guys.

Wasnt too bad. True. But not good.
I want an antagonist that makes people piss in their pants. One cold look from Tarkin would have been enough to make me want disappear. I strongly belive that calm competent villains are the way to go. Not only they are scarier, but also more believable. Especially those with military backgrounds.

rogue one was decent, it at least has enough to it that a reasonable debate can be had.
TLJ is objectively bad. If you enjoyed this piece of shit movie you are a walking tumor.

I think Rogue One is definetly a step above TFA and TLJ, however what brings the movie down for me is the retarded notion that the death star's weakness was intended all along (I just hate retcons) and the bland cast
But yeah, at least it was a movie and it had a structure

あり の まま で

Literally no one in this thread is talking about the negroes and Admiral Tumblr except you. The movie is garbage shill, accept it and move on

TLJ is a broken film. It's like there was a mixup in the editing process and the wrong segments were cut together.

It is THAT bad.

The prequels actually feel like movies in the star wars universe, unlike the sequels.

it's not Sup Forums shit when the cast and crew, and for that matter the rest of hollywood drones on about diversity and sexism constantly, and then awkwardly forces said diversity and girl power into movies.
once that's done, once the character is in the movie to represent a race or gender, everything the character does represents them too, thereby paralyzing the story.

Let me put it this way:

Tumblr hates it. It was so bad it peirced their SJW Delusional Shield of Feminism and made their tiny little dried up heart beat a couple of time out of sadness and repulsion.

Crazy hobo milkies drinking curmudgeon Luke was great, but the reason he became that way were retarded.
The fake spoilers that came after TFA were better. That's saying something. A Luke too powerful but unnable to control his powers and accidentally destroying his own academy and killing his students is looking good right about now compared to peado Luke of unzip lightsaber of nephew murder.

came *before* TFA
sorry, my bad

I think the essence is:

If you take apart and reassemble the prequels you get some really good star wars movie.
The story beats are there, the characters are there, the colorful world is there, the conflict potential is there.

NuWars are broken on a very basic level where you'd need to rewrite literally the entire main cast so people might actually give a fuck about them, change most of the plot to not be retarded garbage and actually creatively develop what you're doing with the world. The entire premise is fucked with the Resistance vs First Order thing, for example. And a B+ in the technical aspects is not going to outweigh this.

I was genuinely surprised by how disappointing it was. The Rey and Kylo stuff was interesting, but Poe and Finn both had storylines that you could remove from the movie and it wouldn't change the outcome of the plot one iota. It seems like they were only put in there for the sake of social commentary/political rhetoric.

If you make the prequels about Palpatine, instead of Jedi, they are great, as he's great all around,
Even if you make then about Obi Wan, they are good, because he's a good character

The rate at which it will happen depends on Hispanic growth, but Whites becoming a minority is inevitable if White birthrates continue to be below replacement levels, which they are.

It has some cool moments but ultimetly is shit

I like the way the way they killed snoke because he was a shit character. Felt like a poorly written game villian that was evil for no reason. The entire casino/code breaker sub plot was an hour worth of filler that had no pay off and was ultimetly useless and a waste of time. How this got past the approval stage is a joke. The way the first order could track the ships was also shit. I can think of a better plot point so much easier. Finn had a locator in his body from his stormtrooper days. He realises this and decideds to go the first order so the others can escape. He can have a fight with phasma de active his tracker and leave. But no we just get a generic computer isntead.

The whole ships running away plot was also terrible. There was at least 10 star destroyers chasing them and only 3 fighters nearly destoryed the rebel fleet. Why nit just deploy all your fighters and deal with a few losses. Porgs were made to make money and so were the salt wolves. Liea's distress signal was another useless plot point. Maz kanta was pointless and never explained how she got the saber. Rey falls of the half destroyed star destroyer then somehow is on the falcon with no explination??? The rusty speeders did absolutly nothing.l but get blown up, they did nothing at all. Just another excuse to sell toys. Leias force space flight was cringeworthy. Luke is the only redeeming factor in it and guess what hes dead now so whats the point in watching the next one

Its a shameless cashgrab with over an hour of pointless sub plot with no pay off. The entire casino section didnt feel like star wars at all. The purple haired bitch was insufferable.
Id rate ut only just better than TFA

If you honestly think the prequels are better made than the sequels you you literally need to neck yourself or stop thinking you have any substantial knowledge about movies.

You actually had world building with them with a variety of amazing designs. It's even something people complained about, that there was TOO MUCH going on and TOO MANY designs added in.

The NuWars movies are just rehashing already developed elements rather than engaging in any of that world building or even unique designs.

Kill yourselves

*inhales*

SJW propaganda is Cancer

I thought it was really good but I've never felt very strongly about SW. For example I didnt care about what they did with Luke

just what the fuck is wrong with that? fuck y'all

God this scene made me so sad. I checked out the moment she marry poppins'd her way over there and they decompressed the ship.

>KYS for the "Resistance" Brainwashed SJW
Libtards
THIS is propaganda.

TLJ is absolute shit. A kid in Film 101 could have made a better story.

Confirmed^
Don't be a SJW suicide Libtard

Why don't they just let Lucas oversee everything Star Wars? Kathleen obviously doesn't have a clear and original vision on where this franchise is going. Hell she doesn't even care if Rian and Abrams destroying each other's works.

Just let Lucas be the Kevin Feige of SW franchise.

Up to tfa you would be 200% right.
After tlj... I don't know anymore man.

It's pretty awful. Also I'd say most people thought the prequels ended on a good note. A lot of people enjoyed revenge of the silth. In fact I think Lucas could have done episodes 7, 8, 9 himself and do a better job than Disney desu. As most people can see Lucas got better as the prequels went on. Ep 1 was shit because he had too much freedom and yes men. Ep 2 was meh but Lucas chilled out a bit so by Ep 3 he was starting to get his groove and made something decent. Give him another movie and I bet it would capture star wars better than the jew hacks at Disney could ever do.

>mfw no face for this scene

As a non-star wars fan, here's a thing. It has good visuals, but story-wise it's just nothing. Nothing substantial happens for the whole movie. It has no drama, it has no climax, it's there, it's pointless. I felt like staring at white noise for 2.5 hours, had nothing to discuss with friends after watching it. Other than "this thing was dumb and this thing was dumb". Watch the camrip, save your money.

Can't we go back guys? I know you hate us but we built this great nation together.

Getting teabagged in the face by two giant balls of fire.
This is how my hero died.

What's it like having an extra chromosome?

Manchildren backlash.

>Is this simply a meme gone too far, or is The Last Jedi genuinely that bad?
Some autistic kids took the opinion of a fag who's greatest accomplishment is directing a movie called "Space Cop" a little too seriously. This movie is the equivalent of "Space Cop", I just wasted 2 hours of my life watching this. Adam Driver should really give a middle finger to Disney about starring in the next film. He's better than this.

tumblr plz go

It isn't, Sup Forums is just LARPing again

>everyone is wrong but me mommy

StarWars where you can shill with the rest of your paid buddies about how great this movie is.

>the people who were kids when the PT came out are now the pre-eminent pop-culture critics
Just sit back and ignore ratings and reviews (from critics and audiences) for a decade or two. Watch the trailer and judge for yourself if it looks interesting. Don't fucking talk to anyone about a movie you watched until you understand whether you liked it about it.

Fuck the hive mind. It is the death of society.

It was amazing. The racist alt right trolls and disgusting neckbeard star wars fans are upset because their misogyny and racism is being ignored (the 'fans' would do well to learn a lesson from their beloved works). This is a film for the people, not the hardcore, repulsive fanbase that has adhered itself to Star Wars.

>yfw tumblr hates TLJ too
It's true. Even the SJW think it's a bad movie.

List of people who hate TLJ
>tumblr
>Sup Forums
>people who actually sign up for rotten tomatoes accounts

Is this a group you trust?

Why would tumblr even hate this movie? It even has a tumblr personified character in Holdo (or whatever the heck her name was).

No it's really that bad.
Do you remember when Qui gon jinn talked about midi-chlorians and people taught star wars was ruined forever.
Well this is movie does that constantly introducing glaring plot holes every 30 minutes.
>Light Speed Kamikaze Ships
>Force Ghosts that can fight
>Luke attempting to kill his nephew in his sleep.

It's genuinely that bad. I wish I was joking.

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why do i get the feeling butthurt FinnRey fags and are trying to tank its ratings lol

This post is worth two portions on Reddit, at least.