I don't understand his motives. Why did he want replicants to be able to breed...

I don't understand his motives. Why did he want replicants to be able to breed? What did he mean by saying "but I can only make so many"?

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Because it's a gnostic fable for our age. Creation is a prison and humans are imperfect so the technocratic elite will remake humanity the "right" way since God (Demiurge) was too retarded and ebul to do it correctly.

His motives are actually very clear. Making replicants is expensive and slow so he wants to solve it by benis in vagina. Whats not clear is why the fuck would the replicant rebels give a shit and consider babymaking "a miracle". Like, if you consider yourself human enough to rebel what does it matter?

I really liked how it had very PKDickean themes, specially his later works about gnosticism like Valis and Ubik. Villeneuve is a genius.

>Making replicants is expensive and slow so he wants to solve it by benis in vagina

Wouldn't raising a child be even slower and more expensive?

Occult symbolism. It's a literal gnostic retelling of Genesis

What is even the point in making replicants exactly looking like humans in the first place?

>Valis was about anything other than PKD tripping hard

Because breeding, the creating of life, was the line in the sand between society considering you an expendable toaster or a sentient being.

Yes. PKD's works, along with those of Huxley and HG Wells, are both propaganda and admissions of the greater game at work in the world: the journey of remaking man into something else entirely.

I take it as Wallace was the Demiurge and couldn't replicate the human genome correctly to make them breed. Only God (Tyrell, the entire Roy scene in the original plays on this theme too) could replicate humanity while the Wallace (the Demiurge) could only imprison it and copy what God created.

He even has Archons (his "Angels") do his bidding for him.

The point of a replicant is to look and think like a human though. Do you mean what's the point of replicants entirely when you just build robots that can serve the same purpose?

PKD was specifically against the black iron prison and the empire, though.

That's the irony. The technocrats are so full of pride that through their rebellion from God into abomination they themselves are actually demiurgic. Why? Because humans are indeed fallible. And no amount of intellectual enlightenment will overcome that condition.

None of the Replicant lore in 2049 makes sense. Creating adult Replicants would be much faster, more efficient, and likely to succeed than raising a child from babyhood. And it's not like raising a baby doesn't require biomass and energy input.
But shouldn't Wallace want to totally suppress knowledge of Replicant breeding so that he could keep selling his product?

>The point of a replicant is to look and think like a human though.
I thought the point of replicants was to provide an expendable, superhuman force for shit like wars and offworld colony building, and occasionally prostitution. BR hardly makes sense, there's no reason not to give replicants some very distinct feature instead of having to conduct horseshit tests. Wallace in BR49 apparently made it easier by instaling serial number in the eyes, but they still somehow manage to lose replicants all the time. Future society is a bit retarded, maybe having women as police officers was a mistake

That may be the narrative, but it remains that the gnostic, NWO-type ideas are pushed into mass consciousness through his works, conditioning us via predictive programming.

So what is stopping humans in the movie from having babies? Why cant he just use his billions to steal humans and force fuck himself some babies?

Making replicants on earth and then shipping them to wherever in space takes time and resources. Making them on location is easier. Ultimately I think he wanted to replace humanity with his perfected beings in order to spread across the stars.
If they rebel without being able to reproduce they will inevitably die, even if they defeat humanity.

As an aside, I know PKD was privy to a lot of what was going on in Silicon Valley at the time and discussions of the future of technocracy. Even if he wrote all his works as a warning, the elites know through psychology the ideas work in their favor as an operant conditioning.

this is literally the mindset that is crafted for us to consume so that the gnostic elite have the justification for "creation"

What the fuck are replicants anyway? Are they synthetic humans, or actual humans grown in a lab? How is Wallace capable of recreating a human brain, the most complex thing ever, but not a functioning human womb?

>I thought the point of replicants was to provide an expendable, superhuman force for shit like wars and offworld colony building, and occasionally prostitution
yes
>BR hardly makes sense, there's no reason not to give replicants some very distinct feature instead of having to conduct horseshit tests
replicants are genetically human, a psychological test is needed to root them out. Also too give them distinct features they technically wouldn't be replicants.
>maybe having women as police officers was a mistake
possibly

He saw Replicants as the next dominant species on Earth (and outer-earth colonies). He figured if they can reproduce, they can eventually outnumber and overpower humanity.

Basically, slaves no longer having to say YES MASSUH!

>Why did he want replicants to be able to breed?
"insufficient for the needs of ultimate survival"
"nine worlds... a child can count to nine on fingers we should *own the stars*"

try paying attention

They're humans assembled from different body parts grown in vats.

because where humans were settling. keep in mind blade runner and aliens are in the same universe

So the planets humans can get to and settle are nasty and fucked up. repllicants are needed to terraform and change the planets because replicants are more durable.

because of the insane distance to these planets we are talk 10 15 years to get to one and the cost of sending them there we are talking tens of millions of dollars to send a single person or replicant it makes more sense to be able to have replicants built on these planets rather than make them on earth then send them out which would take 10 -15 years to get there and tens of millions just to get one there.

So by having them be able to breed in 5 years you could have 2000 replicants make 10,000 and they could have generations while keeping the cost down. The growth would be near exponential. What he has to do is grow them in tanks and he'd hit a wall

if you have 10000 tanks you can grow 10000 in a year for example, but since they have shorter lifespans you could probably have 10000 or so but they'd start dying off so you'd start replacing ones you lost instead of growing the population.

the only way to fix it would be for the replicants to reproduce

Replicants in 2049 are presented as a reverse or mirror version of xenomorphs. Instead of some unholy creature bursting out of far space replicants frame the idea through bioengineered humans, angels, bursting in an innumerable quantity out of the earth.

Wallace wants the same thing that the replicant underground wants for different reasons. Its simply another place where the movie plays with its own ambiguity, the clearest example being joi and the "did she do that because she wanted to or because she was programmed to" question

You're thinking on way too small of a scale. This guy is thinking towards the future. Thousands of years into the future where planets maybe have 100 colonists and not a factory churning out replicants.

xenomorphs are bioengineered also. you could say they are of the demon variety compared to replicants. but, in the end, it's all satanic. good analysis.

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he was a badly written footnote made to be nu-tyrell

>xenomorphs are bioengineered
is that in the first two movies? or did that solely in prometheus and covenant?

>synthetic humans, or actual humans grown in a lab?
What's the difference?

It wasn't expressly stated in the first two, although The Company had plans to bioengineer them iirc. It was developed later though that they were indeed products of the Engineers after years of speculation and fanfic assuming it.

So yeah you're right. But c'mon, same director, supposed universe, central themes, etc

A rebellion won't do anything for your species if you can't breed. When you die your cause dies.
New replicants could just be programmed to reject these rebellion ideals.