A good amount of characters in Steven Universe have their hands drown like shit.
There is a reason why animation stuck with the 4 finger hand look for certain types of humanoids and the 5 finger look is reserved for more human looking ones.
However SU ignores this and shows exactly how not to draw 5 fingers on characters.
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Yes like i have told before some characters not all.
Pearl
Garnet
Lapis
and others
have proper correct hands.
While:
Steven
Greg
Amethyst
This makes the the creators look incredibly incompetent.
Once again the fact that Pearl has proper hands will not magically make Stevens hands less shit.
It only makes the situation even worse and the fuck up more noticeable.
It's a fucking cartoon dude
The lazily drawn hands are the last thing you should be complaining about
What do you have against Rebecca's hand porn OP?
>Ignoring over 50 years of animation fundamentals
>Going into the industry
>Stop noticing the things I do wrong in the industry I'm in you guys!
>lazily drawn
They are not lazily drawn you can see some characters have proper 5 finger hands while Steven the main character arrived something like this
>You see how we have drawn Pearl, Lapis and Garnet with proper hands?
>Now do the exact opposite and make it look like some shit pipe that some kid doodles on for the main character Steven.
Its not a animation error Steven looks like this in every fucken shot he is in!
See
These hands look correct for a fat human.
Some have argued that Stevens hands are fat However like in the OP you can see by googling fat hands and see how they are supposed to look on humans.
In the mean while Steven hands look like crap.
It's from lazyness. Drawing hands is too stressful for them.
Yet other characters have proper hands.
And they cheapened out on the main character? You know the one the show is named on?
Is Pearl practically not in every episode Steven is in?
They have the budget to draw her correctly yet the title character is not drawn correctly?
Not only this since the Gems are aliens they could have given Pearl 4 fingered hands since they are aliens same for Steven.
They did not do this.
Explain this.
See mixture of 4 fingered and 5 fingered characters since the 4 fingered one is a magical creature its OK.
>This makes the the creators look incredibly incompetent.
No it doesn't. They've clearly shown they CAN do it, what it makes it look like is a choice. They are drawn "correctly" in that they deliberately choose to draw them that way. Almost like, I dunno, a stylistic choice.
You autist.
Quick redraw(witch mause) of the hand this is how you place fingers in proportion to the rest of the hand and the wrist.
Literally Steven looks like a man with no hands who glued mini sausages to his stumps.
Steven looks like he's been taking crystals here.
>Creators decide to use wrong proportions
>Respect them for this
No.
They get criticized for fucking up legendarily and wanting to be pretentious idiots.
Like every animation fuck up they get criticized.
The SU fandom is truly pathetic if they are trying to pull
>Its their work so they made it perfect for them
By this logic every childish dueled is perfect because the incompetent child intended it to look this way.
Is this what western animation has come to? The modern art levels of shit and being smug about making shit?
Noodle hands aren't an SU only thing you morphodyte.
???
I don't even know what you are saying.
For everyone at home here is a fun game.
Take your hand and measure the proportions of
Wrist to thumb
Thumb to hand.
Thumb to fingers.
>hand as long as the rest of an arm
sasuga autist
The proportions are fucked up like you can see.
Was trying to fix the wrist to finger proportions.
Yet you fucked up the hand to arm proportions.
You really suck at this.
Joke's on you.
I did not try to fix the hand arm proportion.
Only the wrist to hand.
If you want to see how Steven is supposed to look if drawn by someone who is not a idiot try looking up some fan-art.
Or look at Pearl.
That's a really long hand.
Well that is because Steven has hydrocephalus.
I've got to hand it to you OP, you're pretty fucking autistic
Holy shit!
Somebody get this man an award for noticing that stylized proportions lead to an exaggeration beyond the realistically feasible and inconsistent projected anatomy!
How does he do it?
Could it be?
No, it cannot be!
It is him! Captain Obvious!
Sugar does really nice hands, but the rest of the crew seem to phone it in
Although desu who gives a shit about fat people's hands, they look like malformed slabs of ribs
So summing up the delusional beyond help SU-fags
1)
>A HA Pearl has her hands drawn correctly this somehow makes Stevens hands not fucked up!
No it makes the situation even worse and yes Pearl has correctly drawn hands while
2)
>They are lazy
This makes them bad and somehow they are drawing the main character like shit while secondary characters like Pearl get correct hands?
3)
>They are artists! The drawing is exactly like they intended stop criticizing!!!!
4)
>A HA you did not fix the whole image and reveled even more problems with proportions Steven has! Therefor you are wrong!
I did not try to fix the whole image
5)
>the reaction image you posted has slightly elongated hand therefore you are wrong.
Now this is what I call a ultra delusional fandom!
Before SU I did never imagine someone can be this level of delusional.
Lets explore these new limits of your fanboy delusion together.
PS: Yes the hand is elongated to long, little mistake however light years above the shit SU craps out.
Fixed it for you.
The problem is that this stylization violates over 50 ears of established practices and makes the hands look like visual cancer.
You know there is a reason cartoons where drawn a certain way with 4 stylized fingers.
>this damage control
OP take a walk or something, you're very passionate about this argument and it's disconcerting
Na ever since I have seen SU the thing that sticked out and looked horribly where these hands.
So I wanted to bring this point up.
I'm actually having fun with SU-fags trying to defend the indefeasible and constantly falling into greater contradictions like shown before.
>Not having a argument so posting smug anime faces
You realize you are at the at the bottom of the pyramid do you?
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Now the fingers are too thin.
I hope you realize its a joke on the original concept.
>Not knowing the problem is the to short thumb.
Sup Forums has fallen to the dogs.
>sperging out over the way a few characters' hands in a cartoon are drawn
jesus, you really are autistic.
You're right, the thumb is so small I can't see it.
>>someone points out proportion errors.
>you really are autistic.
And this is why anime creates elaborately detailed and wonderfully proportioned worlds while western animation is on the same level like western modern art.
So?
That's why Sugar is show runner and you are internet autist.
She has shortcomings on levels you wish you could.
I'm surprised you did not notice it.
I saw it the first time.
Glad to help.
It's hard to notice something that isn't in the picture at all.
If you want to start another le epic SU hate thread at least list valid reasons the show falters like plot holes, asspulls and too much filler. Don't be asinine and pretend to be an animation connoisseur who hates it because muh fundamentals.
Everyone can see through your pseud facade.
>"A HA"
>"PS"
>Formatting your argument into a numbered list
>Unironically using explanation points
There's something about all this that makes me want to laugh at you, but I can't really pinpoint what.
>>Animation looks like shit
>>Ignoring decades of established conventions
>So?
Like explained above if you want to play this
>TEH artists is the most important.
Game you simply end up with shit like with modern western art.
Where literal shit and nothingness are shown to people and self delusional snobs who think they are so great at looking at "artists meaning" and "artists intentions".
Yes you can make this argument however this only encourages western animation to look even more shit.
Glad I was never on the western animation train for this and other reasons.
Must be delusional central with you guys
>Anime quality is shit
>This western show that looks like it was drawn by a blind guy who has Parkinson is the pinnacle of animation.
First, your grammar is terrible and it hurts to read your drivel.
Second, anime creates samey, regurgitated designs in underfunded sweat shops in a vicious cycle of uninspired animation catering to a shrinking audience of hardcore fans that demand only more of the same shit.
Seriously, look at what wide range of manga exists, then look at what moves most copies in anime.
Compared to that wasteland of artistic bankruptcy and economic stranglehold, Western productions are wellspring of creativity and inspiration. Shite hands and all.
So I take it you're not a fan of Picasso?
woah.
you mean to tell me that most stylized hands don't have realistic proportions?
woah.
>Unsubstantiated, subjective and vague points
Yep no counter points.
>creativity and inspiration
If you can even explain what this is, I'm waiting.
See this is exactly why western animation is going the way of western modern art into literal shit and nothingness that are shown to people and self delusional snobs.
>in underfunded sweat shops
Baseless insults.
Lets concentrate on the technical qualities and how detailed the characters are VS the child's drawing of western animation. Something you can actually measure.
>it's another /col/itically incorrect thread where they pretend to talk about art without ever having set foot on /ic/
Really activates the almonds
youtube.com
I think this explains everything.
I don't need a video to tell me what looks good and what doesn't.
Why are you here if you're unable to accept the flaws in modern cartoons? Animation looks better in the East because it's cheaper there. Everything is driven by the possibility of a new revenue stream. We're all here talking about corporate products, not something deeply felt or aspiring to any kind of artistic sublimity.
I think you just like being a fucking contrarian sourpuss piece of shit because maybe you don't have too much going on in your life. I don't know. But don't come around going "this is terrible, why aren't you ashamed of yourselves, what are you doing to do about this" you cunt
You are aware you are making a fascist argument here?
Also, using modern art as an insult only shows that you don't know what you are talking about.
Right now there is more varied art in style, tone and quality than there ever was.
And sure enough there is stuff reminiscent of the Dutch Masters.
And there is stuff that is everything else remotely thinkable.
So snobs pay cash for things you don't like.
And there is nonsense. But art has never been driven towards a singular point of perfection. It goes all over the place and most is forgotten when it falls out of fashion. Like homunculus Jesus depictions. Those were some ugly babies.
Or vanity still life painting.
Really, you are beating up on an art scene while ignoring all the art surrounding you that must be more to your liking.
Hyper-detailed Link paintings and photography are all over DA.
You are just a half-educated moron appealing to nostalgia and simplistic views in lieu of a cogent argument.
Is this true autism?
Naw, just another kid who took a drawing class.
Answer these points:
1) You dodged a question
>creativity and inspiration
If you can even explain what this is, I'm waiting.
2)
> Animation looks better in the East because it's cheaper there.
This is a valid point if not:
2A) We are talking about Sugar violating age old standards from the west while
2B) Having characters with proper hand proportions like Pearl next to ones with bad one like Steven
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Moving on
>We're all here talking about corporate products
Partially true, western animation are corporate products while anime kind of is not.
You see most anime is based on mangas where there is almost always one writer who has practically absolute freedom in writing.
And since most anime follow the manga nearly perfectly there is one creative voice.
This is why anime is not only superior visualy ignore the visuals for one moment anime have far superior story and motives then any western animation.
There is no metric you can use to claim a victory for western animation.
Western animation is stagnant having the same stories over and over and watching the same characters like superman do the same things they did in previous movies.
All I have to give is Death Note or "from the new world" to show something that is truly inspiring on a storytelling level. And not having superman VS Lex Luthor in another animated movie identical to the previous one if you think I'm misrepresenting western animation give a better example in the story telling department. I think this is impossible.
Nah, it's autism. The fact is if you can still tell that it's a hand, they've won.
Unrelated, these weird nub hands people sometimes have irl always freak me out.
>You are aware you are making a fascist argument here
Oh no you are behaving like a Nazi.
Godwins law strikes aggein!
>Right now there is more varied art in style, tone and quality than there ever was.
And all of it is on the level of Sup Forums shitposting, what is your point.
>So snobs pay cash for things you don't like.
Yes because they are retarded and then there is the hypothesis that all this art is only a front for money laundering.
>And there is nonsense.
You can not build proper English sentences.
I think its a birth defect their hands did not grow properly, can someone post the actual name of this disorder?
Their fingers are 100% incapable of moving or holding things.
You think if Hitler didn't fail art he wouldn't have killed all those jews?
>I don't even know what you are saying.
>Western animation is stagnant having the same stories over and over and watching the same characters
the irony
>Western animation is stagnant
Ahahaha!
Look at the Sup Forums poster!
Look at him and laugh!
Dude, if you had been watching anime for as long as I have, you'd know what stagnant means.
Is this a web comic or something?
Is this a meme or something?
if you like anime more why are you here in the first place
Eh, he would have died an impoverished artist in Munich and another would have risen in his place.
To draw salad fingers on all the Sup Forums characters.
Best b8 8/8
4U
>anime is not only superior visualy
then why did you post a picture of an anime character with fucked up hand proportions in a thread about how terrible unproportionate hands in cartoons are?
You're surprised a shitty, autistic show has bad art?
you have a dream and i respect that don't let anyone get you down and continue doing what love
do everything you need to do and achieve your dream man
pace
>Western animation is stagnant having the same stories over and over and watching the same characters like superman do the same things they did in previous movies.
>All I have to give is Death Note or "from the new world" to show something that is truly inspiring on a storytelling level.
user, I get that you are having fun cherry picking at the moment, but let's be real. For every anime/manga out there that does something interesting or breaks some mold, you have hundreds more that are just run of the mill rehashes of the same formula with different characters tossed into them.
Post some examples.
Like post some names.
Can you give me any western animation that even compare in the actual literature and SF depths of storytelling in "from the new world"?
Because I can lecture you on how it can be compared to the book "brave new world" and how it even surpasses the book.
>Dude, if you had been watching anime for as long as I have, you'd know what stagnant means.
OK name 5 anime that are identical to "from the new world".
I'm waiting.
I'm not denying that there are stagnant cash cow animes like pokemon however the thing is there are gems in anime while western animation has nothing.
Prove me wrong by posting names of movies/episodes.
You can not do it because they don't exist.
Anime like "from the new world" and Death Note are masterpieces of fiction.
Also there is something named burn out and you should not force yourself to watch tones of anime or movies or you get sick of them.
don't forget sameface and fuck up or inexistent face proportion
>All I have to give is Death Note or "from the new world" to show something that is truly inspiring on a storytelling level
holy shit
>"different"
Not even that. They have it down to a formula.
Answer these points:
1) You dodged a question
>creativity and inspiration
If you can even explain what this is, I'm waiting.
2)
> Animation looks better in the East because it's cheaper there.
This is a valid point if not:
2A) We are talking about Sugar violating age old standards from the west while
2B) Having characters with proper hand proportions like Pearl next to ones with bad one like Steven
Is that something from this season?
I've stopped following current releases somtime in 2010.
>he's waiting bois :3
I sort of see your point OP, but could you post a few picture of what you think constitutes good hand anatomy?
Really, just as many pictures you have of hands would really help out.
Hands are hard. So many parts at so many angles.
>Unrealistic bone structure in a cartoon
>Hey! These heavily stylized cartoon characters don't have proper anatomical structure!
No fucking shit you dumb idiot. What the hell is wrong with you?
Also I have no words for what you are saying.
You are actively (Owning? Destroying? Contradicting?) yourself.
I think I need to put this into numbers:
Anime = 1000 Shit + 5 good ones
Anime = 0.5% good
This is your argument
Western = 100 shit
Western = 0% good
How on earth can you even say these things? If I have 5 good things and can ignore the shit i have 5 good things.
Meanwhile there is zero good things for western animation.
Or you post the name of it like I asked.
Until you post a name I'm concluding you know there are non and are only pretending.
No its all no facts and pretending there is something good.
How can you even formulate these self humiliating nonsensical arguments?
>SU Haters are so desperate for things to whine about that they're now down to bitching about fucking HANDS
Holy shit, you kids need a hobby.
the problem with anime is that release too much shit and the diamonds are to small or too overhipe
how many school girls sameface ,slice of life ,foodporn, hey is sooo funnny the guy fell on thos girls boobs and now she thinks he is a sex offender hahahaha so funny autistic overeact height picket voices , funny and cute :3 :3( i mean kawai *-* xD xd xd xd) shows do we need??
This. It's just general laziness manifesting itself in details. Hands take details so they get missed.
Pic related, it's just a manifestation of Sugar's extremely lazy managing style. It's the whole post modernism "quality is subjective!" crap
I thinks its a fan-created origins story for Salad Fingers
You know what is truly annihilating for you?
I asked for something and you are not answering the demand
OK name 5 anime that are identical to "from the new world".
I'm waiting.
Until you can actually address the point you are branded to be a fanboy who knows he is wrong and simply tries to fanboy with even more delusional and wrong arguments.
Also how can this be wrong see
Not that user but if you strongly have that opinion why did you come here ,is just seems that you are looking for quarrels and disputes
>I'm waiting
Steven universe is shit.
>the diamonds are to small
he literally said it and you still come with the same argument without even elaborated or bring a new point of view
Sad
Motherfucker, nobody here even knows that one or cares for it!
It's such generic, visually bland drivel, we haven't even had it blip on the radar!
I did not want to even bring it up.
However the conclusion of the main point was
>TEH artists is the most important.
And I made the analogy to modern art and I slipped by injecting anime.
I knew it will end wrong.
However since we are on the subject, I never understood western fanboys.
They must know they are wrong, I asked them to name 5 identical anime to "from the new world" and they can not do it.
I also asked for them to provide western animation that is profound and on the subject mater of Death Note and "from the new world".
All they do is dance around the question and try to make jabs at anime. If they literally can not provide names then their conclusions are unsubstantiated.
kek ,i imagine him refreshing this in autistic rage unimaginable or unseen by man
>SU bait thread
>its just about the hands
>96+ replies
>people complain about seeing SU threads
well the episodes leak tommorow so youre not getting rid of SU anytime soon.
>nobody here even knows that one or cares for it!
Translation:
>I hold strong opinions about a something without having knowledge of the subject.
>I also refuse to look up
Its literally like someone saying
>What video games they are the same pong pacman shit like always
>No I will not see what Fallout and bioshock
>It's such generic
Yet the story rivals master peaces of literature and I don't read books for the drawing quality (comics are not books).