FUEL?

was the fuel meme the laziest writing in the history of movies?

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First time I ever heard of anyone having a fuel problem in Star Wars and it doesn't seem logical that those kinds of spacecraft would run on fuel. But I'm not a Star Wars scientist so whatever. Just blow some shit up.

Literally the part that ruined it for me the most.

Basing the entire plot around some nonsensical space ship gas gauge countdown. But oh by the way we're going to go on a pointless mini adventure that meant absolutely nothing with the Ugly asian chick.

That and the "hurr spaceship hyperspace kills everything to save the day" deus ex machina bullshit despite having like 3 other ships they could have done that with to escape.

The first order had fuel, what the fuck was stopping them from hyperspacing in front of the rebel ships?

The ship just got fucked up by a single tie fighter. Why didn't they just blow it up with bombers?

Stupid fucking movie.

>That and the "hurr spaceship hyperspace kills everything to save the day" deus ex machina bullshit despite having like 3 other ships they could have done that with
I forgot about the other support ships they lost. If they were going down anyway and someone was still on deck then why didn't they hyperakbar earlier? The movie didn't give the audience any time to stop and think about these things because once you do you realize it's all kind of wrong.

>The first order had fuel, what the fuck was stopping them from hyperspacing in front of the rebel ships?
Ya know, the main problem I had with the fuel plot had nothing to do with the fuel itself and everything to do with Holdo not telling Poe or the others what her fucking plan was.

But holy shit, I never thought about your point before. It would have been so easy to cut them off and stop the cat and mouse chase before it began. Of course, I'm sure traveling such a short distance with hyperspeed would present a problem, so there's that.

So just call in one other ship as reinforcements.
>Hey Jeff can you beam to these coordinates and blast this ship?
>Sure thing
*One explosion later*
>That all?
>Yup, that was the last of those rebel cunts.

Although the fact that snokes own ship wasn't outfitted with the firepower to turn that Calamari cruiser into dust is pretty laughable.

>Holdo not telling Poe
But she was a strong femininist woman that don't need to answer to no man.

The SJW bullshit with "STAH HOLDING MAH HAND" in TFA was bad enough, but with this they doubled down and incorporated some retarded "women are in charge now power play so we have to stop the reckless men" sub-plot.

They've ruined every strong male character in star wars and killed them off.
Han turned into a coward 'divorced husband' trope who gave up on his sun and ran away. Then he was killed.

Luke turned into a coward that almost killed a kid because of some evil he saw despite spending the last two movies fighting to bring the good out in vadar. Then he turns into a hermit and runs away, only to go pretendo time and help out from afar because hes a coward before he dies.

Fin was never worth a shit but in this movie he continues his chicken shit line of thinking to try and run away only to have a woman be the courageous one to 'guide him' in the right direction. Ultimately into a useless sub plot that accomplished nothing other than him falling for an ugly Asian chick for some reason.

Poe, the only new character that seemingly is worth anything gets cut down, demoted, and ignored as being reckless and irresponsible by matriarchal women. His ideas and actions to save the rebellion are turned into pointless side-shows that accomplish anything and he's made to look foolish before the all knowing strategic wisdom of some old women.


This SJW feminist garbage has fucking ruined Star Wars.

It was literally just a copy of the ESB chase, just adding the running out of fuel aspect to make it look less copying Irvin Kershner's homework.

How about the fact that the massless turbolaser bolts had a ballistic arch in space for no reason?

Dude just go back to Sup Forums if you aren't going to actually analyse the content of the film instead of projecting your political narrative onto it.

This also isn't true. The ESB chase involved the Empire never knowing exactly where the Millenium Falcon was. It was actually more interesting and tense because there was subterfuge, camouflage, and a giant hand puppet worm that Han had to juggle. But it isn't just a direct copy. Han never had a fuel issue and the reason he couldn't jump to hyperspace is a callback joke to the Falcon being a piece of junk. It was like pottery.

>Although the fact that snokes own ship wasn't outfitted with the firepower to turn that Calamari cruiser into dust is pretty laughable.
Now this is stupid, I totally agree with you. Vader's super star destroyer would have leveled that fucking cruiser in five minutes. And Snoke's isn't much different.

I did anylize the film retard. I spelled out exactly what was wrong with it.

if you disagree with any particular point or feel I am off base on something, feel free to engage.

If you want to try to dismiss my post outright because you don't like the conclusions I came to because of YOUR politics, you can fuck right off.

Why didn’t the Millennium Falcon bring them more fuel?

>pointless mini adventure that meant absolutely nothing with the Ugly asian chick

Maybe Tokyo Rose should have gone for more fuel instead of the stupid tracker.

cockiness is often the Empire's downfall. it's especially believable with Hux, eho was probably rock hard at the idea of slowly chasing the rebel ships and gunning them down when they stop working.

THEY ADDED THAT NARRATIVE

SO YES WE WILL CRITIQUE IT BASED ON THAT YOU FAGGOT

what even is fuel in the star wars universe?

It was retconned to be tibanna gas (stuff on Bespin that is mined by Cloud City) in Battlefront II right before TLJ came out.

How convenient.

You're making up shit about people retroactively being made into cowards purely for political purposes. That's not an anal-sis, that's you playing their game and generating buzz where there is none.

It was so minor and they never drawed explicit attention to it in the movie. Y'all read too much Buzzfeed.

>fuel problem
>let's sneak out and go lightspeed to casino planet instead of gas station planet and come back empty handed

Holy fuck it keeps getting worse. This might be the stupidest blockbuster plot in years.

>we need to evacuate base X and escape the First Order fleet
>we have limited fuel
>we are not going to hyperspace in the direction of some New Republic planet that has planetary defenses and maybe even some capital ships to help us out
>instead, we're going to hyperspace in the direction of base Y
>base Y is abandoned, has no defenses whatsoever, is about 50x50 feet in size and is basically a deathtrap

Not to mention that the New Republic, even if it was "demilitarized" whatever the fuck that means in a setting where capital ships are common, would arm itself in a nanosecond if the First Order literally destroys a whole capital system

>You're making up shit about people retroactively being made into cowards purely for political purposes.

Except that's fucking wrong.

Han had a character arch in the OT that landed him with Leia and grew him into an upstanding member of a nobel cause. A general and a hero of the rebellion,

In TFA he was regressed and marginalized into a cowardly run-away divorced dad then killed off.

This is not a matter of debate., This is literally what happened.

Luke's OT character arch was coming into his own as a force user and Jedi knight. Facing his ultimate inner and outer challenges in the face of impossible odds and still seeing the good in his father till the very end when vader turned.

In TLJ Luke is regressed into a cowardly hermit that considered killing a child because he contained evil (destroying his arch with vader). then he ran away to die and left the universe to deal with his fuck ups. Like a coward.

The only person from the OT that actually grows in influence, dedication to a cause, and respectability in the eyes of the audience is Leia. Despite her being only marginally important in the climax of the OT. Now she's the matriarch running the resistance. And she has a literally blue haired feminist SJW as a second in command.

The only other strong male character in the movie, Poe, was cut down, demoted, and ignored as being too reckless. See: feminist "toxic masculinity" trope. His ultimate contribution to the plot is a pointless and ineffective plan and being made to look foolish before the "wise" matriarchal wisdom and planning of Leia and her blue haired feminist #2.

Rey repeatedly pulled the stupid "Stop taking my hand silly boy I'm a strong independent woman" bullshit like 4 times in 5 minutes in TFA. If you think that wasn't on-the-nose political SJW bullshit, you're fucking blind.

You can cry about the politics of these movies all you want, but I'm not the one who politicized them with the SJW bullshit.

>be an imperial soldier that joins the rebe...resistance
>literally noone questions who the fuck he is, debriefs him or anything like that
>literally roams the flagship by himself, no oversight whatsoever
>all this while there is a potential spy on board feeding the FO their hyperspace coordinates
>sneak out of a fleet that has a fuel problem
>have a side adventure
>sneak back onto the First Order flagship

George come back

The problem is that 30 years passed and you're basing all of this on a political narrative you're projecting onto character writing that you have no proof exists.

You're as bad as people who read into every little thing as being racist, sexist, or otherwise discriminatory. Actually, no, you're worse because you ignore context and are actually upset that a person has weird coloured hair in a galaxy of frog creatures and squidmen.

kek
>dad is the 2nd most evil person in the universe
>Luke still tries to save him even though Vader has killed countless people
>sees a hint of evil in Darth Emo Soy
>might have to kill this little shit

......aaaaaaand filtered. Thanks.

>Don't worry guize we totes have a plan you just cant know about it
>No you cant know the plan because its super secret and us women can only know, not you stupid boys.
>I would literally rather have a mutiny than tell you my plan
>okay okay, here's the plan
>we're going to fly our unarmed shuttles down to an old deserted base
>guise listen, we're going to hide behind this REALLY BIG DOOR
>they cant get us there guize
>No we're not aware of the entirety of the First Order's firepower
>What if they have a huge fucking laser that can blow a hole in your big door
>DONT WORRY LISTEN TO MY ORDERS I AM A STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN
>we will put out a call to my friends and use my private cell phone number
>Someone will surely come and save us. Now get in the little fucking ship and leave the huge armored cruiser behind.

It's called role-reversal and it is one quite literally an ancient trope.

Luke also tried to kill Vader the moment he mentioned that Leia was his sister and he wanted to turn her. He was a cocky asshole who threatened people and sociopathically killed creatures without moral qualms. He also killed people in self defense because he saw it as necessary to maintain balance and peace.

People making out the Kylo Ren thing to be inconsistent with his character don't pay enough attention and are so consumed in their hatred for this movie that their rationality goes out the window.

why is the resistance down to 3 ships if the first order keeps blowing up random planets, shouldnt the entire galaxy be the resistance?

>I can't argue with anything you said so I will filter you instead
Good job living in a bubble you child.

This. Luke can still see the good in Vader and tries to bring him back the the light but he contemplates killing Kylo Ren because there's a little dark side in his heart?

Nah.

>y-you’re just a right wing SJW!

>Nah
the movie dropped off like a rock this week because of the bad word of mouth. "nah" is the general consensus it seems

>only naturally blonde female lead in franchise
>force her to dye her hair purple
(((Who))) could be behind this?

He never tried to kill Kylo. He tried to kill his father. See , and realise that he has killed a lot of people. He's practically a mass murderer, if you're looking at it from the perspective of him even contemplating murder being wrong.

Like, people don't became wholly good the moment the overcome a great evil. That's fucking silly, and the movie dealt with his inner conflict in an interesting way. For all the things it fucked up horribly his conflict with Kylo isn't one of them.

That person is consumed in their belief that the character writing is dictated by a political narrative they have no proof exists. Thats zealous SJW behaviour if I ever saw it. Never mind that Luke and Han had logical reasons for abandoning Ben and Leia. That's just circumstantial. The real reason is because J.J. and Kasden had an axe to grind. Take a step back and realise how absurd and out of touch with reality that sounds.

the secret fuellll was moondildo outsidespacesection #extinctionconfirmednowforthespittingondemonracemausoleumtamorapart

Besides all the other stupid shit that happened involving this character what irritated me the most was the fact Poe didn't know who she was. How? There was probabaly less than 500 resistance left at that point (probably less) and he'd never once bumped into this chick before? Wouldn't she be at like, council meetings and stuff? What the fuck?

what I gathered from it was that subspace travel requires fuel and hyperspace uses some kind of alternate energy source. If they hyperspaced away the empire would just land on top of them elsewhere. The dumbest part of this (ignoring the lorebreaking aspect of hyperspace ramming) is that she hyperspaces into a sublight direction.

>Y'all

there's as many or few resistance members as the plot demands. He'd heard of her before just never bumped into her on a coffee break and its not like he's going to the admiralty meetings especially since he's the known hothead pilot

If you can’t see the blatant political narrative being shoved into Star Wars (and nearly all media these days), then you’re a drooling fucking retard.
Pic related from the Dr Who writer, they don’t even try to deny forcing an anti white, diversity political narrative into modern media. They’re quite open and proud about it.

Is one sentence from one paragraph really your only takeaway from all that?

>The problem is that 30 years passed
And? Does 30 years mean entire character arcs need to be retroactively destroyed for the sake of political SJW bullshit?

>you're basing all of this on a political narrative you're projecting onto character writing
I specifically pointed out character archs and how the new trilogy goes ass backwards on them. I pointed out how every single male character from the OT was marginalized into a coward and killed off other than the walking dog. And How every single new male character from the new trillogy is iether a coward by default (Fin) or is marginalized as reckless for actually trying to do something (Poe) falling into the SJW "Toxic masculinity" trope.

I pointed out how the least influential main character for the OT (Leia) is now the most influential leader in the new trilogy and many male leaders and generals in the OT, there are non in the new trilogy.

They literally have a fucking blue haired woman barking orders and marginalizing a male character under a feminist trope.

>you have no proof exists.
Except the argument that Star Wars is sexist has been around forever and the fucking makers of these films, Along with Disney ahve said theya re working to correct that.

The SJW shit in these movies is so on the nose it's pointless to deny it exists.

I have given you well reasoned dissections of these movies and the stupid SJW twists put on them and all you've done is say "NUH UHH DAS POLITICAL"

My contention is the movie is political and I am commenting on it. If you have a counterpoint to one of mine. Say it. Just shacking your head and saying "NUH UHH!!" and claiming that commenting on the political nature of a movie full of political innuendo is fully off limits is fucking stupid and makes you look like a child.

Everything surrounding that tumblr insert was a fucking idiotic mess, moreso than the rest of the movie

>SJWars is so shitty even normies had to drop it
Aren't these the same brain-dead fucks who pay money to watch Michael Bay movies? GODDAMN MOUSE HOW'D YOU MANAGE THAT

I'm from the south cut me some slack for using a southern phrase.

Oh I'm glad you're using Moffat - a guy who has no involvement with Star Wars at all - as an example of Rian forcing in a political narrative. You certainly aren't forcing your own political narrative with the most intangible evidence possible. I know they're interested in a general divesity quota to appeal to a mass market, but that has nothing to do with emasculation or the charcter writing problems you're pulling out of your asshole. You're absolutely making shit up and drawing a comparison to Moffat makes you seem like a paranoid fool who has run out of arguments.

would an intergalactic spaceship even use something called "fuel?" Are there space gas stations in star wars??? What the fuck.

Why not some kind of nuclear fusion reactor or something? this movie was horseshit... a 2.5 hour-long commercial designed to sell porg toys to fucking chinese peasants

You know how filters work on Sup Forums, right? Stop replying to kike shills, retard.

>they have no proof exists.
The proof is literally the fucking movie retard. And it has been outlined several times for you as to WHY and HOW it is political. That's what we are discussing.

Dismissing commentary as "political" when the point being made is that the MOVIE IS POLITICAL, makes you seem like the discussion is flying right the fuck over your head.

If your argument that there is no political SJW bullshit in this movie. Actually try to REFUTE some of the points made and put your "its not political" interpretation on it to further the discussion.

Claiming any discussion of this movies political connotations as off limits because you dont like the politics of those discussing it or you dont agree with the assessments being made just makes you a fucking retard.

>I'm from the south
of tel aviv maybe

IT'S NOT JUST A FUEL PROBLEM YOU FUCKING MORON
They get the fuel, then what? They'll go in hyperspace and the first order is gonna follow them again.
Is everyone on this thread fucking retarded, did you even watched the movie?

>I'm from the south
Sure

>better
Why is it better to put black people where there were none, but not white people? Imagine if China made romance of the three kingdoms and made a white Liu Bei. It would be so fucking stupid.

Why do liberals think diversity is good? Why do they push it so hard?

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Stay proud and defiant, white man.

Yeah. It's trite garbage.

You're arguing that people don't change or regress in 30 years time. This is nonsense.

They're called arcs, and arcs don't just mean that a character has changed in a positive way. You need to learn screenwriting theory before trying to school others on it. Finn grows as a character and becomes courageous. So does Han by confronting his son. Poe being wreckless is not necessarily part of "toxic masculinity" and you drawing this conclusion is part of my theory that you read too much Buzzfeed and absolutely are projecting your politics onto a movie in the same way SJWs do.

Also your concern over a woman having blue hair (it isn't blue, by the way, which makes it seem like you don't know what you're talking about) makes you seem like somebody who has an innate fear or hatred of people (especially women) with weird hair colour. Like, that's your argument? Laura Dern has "blue" hair, so it's bald SJW propaganda? That's so stupid. I guess Pink Flamingos is SJW propaganda now.

Star Wars has historically had problems with sexism. That's something pretty easy to ascertain. But the politial goals of Disney/Johnson/Kennedy have never been blatantly overt to the point of derailing the movies entirely. And if it doea have a political message: do you only care because it seemingly differs from your own? It isn't didactic in any sense of the word and you're focusing on it to extreme degrees when the movie never lingers on those elements once. It never suggests Poe acts the way he does because he's a man.

>fuse all the hydrogen in the reactor

>so we'll just run to a planet and hope people come help us and destroy the First Order fleet
>We definitely shouldn't try to get to them. No. we'll just go hide behind a big dor and hope they come
>Surely the First Order doesn't have anything to get past this big door.... right?

Did you fucking watch the movie?

>Dismissing commentary as "political" when the point being made is that the MOVIE IS POLITICAL, makes you seem like the discussion is flying right the fuck over your head.
T. SJW who reads into movies and cries about it on your hugbox when they disagree with your worldview

Good luck getting that shit to fly, Crazium.

God....

Please stop. You're making me hate this movie even more.

>the SJW's only recourse is to tell them to go away

>it doesn't seem logical that those kinds of spacecraft would run on fuel.
What do you think the spacecrafts run on? Hope?

You are a fucking retard, there a reason it was a surprise attack, its not like the order could just instantly follow their coattails, they counted on the fact they were already fucked

If the rebels could just hyperdrive away a couple more times it would have given them an enormous tactical advantage

like why didnt they just steal some from the star destroyers chasing them?

The funny thing is that legit SJWs hate me because I have a lot of negative things to say about the movie and people here hate me because I defend parts that deserve defending.

The Most Politically Divisive Film of 2017: The Last Jedi.

oh god did they? i didn't even notice that.

>You're arguing that people don't change or regress in 30 years time.
Not showing us how or why and just expecting us to swallow that pill on an established character is what us trite garbage.

Better films have been more harshly criticized for lesser offenses of the telling not showing rule. In this case though they didn't even tell us why the character changed so drastically they just showed us the end result. That is horrible story telling and if any other franchise pulled it they would be in deep shit. But Star Wars gets a pass because reasons

Right back at you, kiddo!

>You're arguing that people don't change or regress in 30 years time. This is nonsense.
These are established characters. If there is some sort of regression, develop that fucking character arch. Don't say "hurr 30 eyars later all the men are cowardly peices of shit and the only women is super duper awesome now because SJW writers!!!

If this was a natural non-SJW progression of character arcs, then why is it literally only the men who have regressed in 30 years and the only woman has progressed to the point where she is literally running the entire resistance without any males?

>They're called arcs, and arcs don't just mean that a character has changed in a positive way.
An arch is character development over the course of a story. It is not an arc to take an already developed character then drop them in a new movie in an arbitrary future where they've completely regressed into a shitty cowardly person for no reason.

That is not an arc. That is SJW bullshit retconning a story to fit a political narrative.

>You need to learn screenwriting theory before trying to school others on it.
Please, by all means lay out your "screenwriting theory" qualifications so I can laugh at your pathetic appeal to authority fallacy.

>Finn grows as a character and becomes courageous.
This is wrong even between TFA and TLJ. We went from a coward to gaining come courage, then back to a fucking coward trying to run away again in TLJ. They cant even get a single character arc right in movies completely under their control.

>So does Han by confronting his son.
Han is made out to be a coward for no reason and no real explanation destroying his established character arc.Then is runs into his son and is promptly killed off after accomplishing nothing.

You're fucking blind, to be honest. You ask for proof, then when people give it to you, you are unable to process it.
I really hoping you're just trolling people to get laughs, for your own sake.

Also, this board needs flags/IDs.

Nawww are you mad because there are no stronk men in the movie? Tell you you what man, if I had a whiny fag like you in my army I definitely wouldn't tell you my master plan. But I may order you to dye your hair purple for shits and gigs. So basically fuck you, you are cynical and obviously don't know how to have fun. Pathetic. Sucks to be you, shitlicker.

They explain why and show us in flashbacks that Ben turning evil is why. You clearly didn't pay attention.

It did show, though, so your criticisms ring as hollow and unfair. You see his conflict and the pain Han and Leia share knowing that their son is potentially beyond redemption. These are things TFA showed us throughout its runtime. Also, essentially this is what you're arguing: we don't see why Obi-Wan ended up on Tatooine, or what happened to Vader after he "killed" Anakin, so those characters are shit. If you think that's an unfair comparison, explain why.

>You're arguing that people don't change or regress in 30 years time. This is nonsense.
These are established characters. If there is some sort of regression, develop that fucking character arch. Don't say "hurr 30 eyars later all the men are cowardly peices of shit and the only women is super duper awesome now because SJW writers!!!

If this was a natural non-SJW progression of character arcs, then why is it literally only the men who have regressed in 30 years and the only woman has progressed to the point where she is literally running the entire resistance without any males?

>They're called arcs, and arcs don't just mean that a character has changed in a positive way.
An arch is character development over the course of a story. It is not an arc to take an already developed character then drop them in a new movie in an arbitrary future where they've completely regressed into a shitty cowardly person for no reason.

That is not an arc. That is SJW bullshit retconning a story to fit a political narrative.

>You need to learn screenwriting theory before trying to school others on it.
Please, by all means lay out your "screenwriting theory" qualifications so I can laugh at your pathetic appeal to authority fallacy.

>Finn grows as a character and becomes courageous.
This is wrong even between TFA and TLJ. We went from a coward to gaining come courage, then back to a fucking coward trying to run away again in TLJ. They cant even get a single character arc right in movies completely under their control.

>So does Han by confronting his son.
Han is made out to be a coward for no reason and no real explanation destroying his established character arc.Then is runs into his son and is promptly killed off after accomplishing nothing.

>Poe being wreckless is not necessarily part of "toxic masculinity"
bullshit. this is an established SJW trope. and Leia literally confronts him about it in an on the nose talkin-to she has with him

Did they imply she had a lesbian relationship with Leia or is it just me?

To be honest in the original plan they weren't suppose to be defending in that base. The original plan went like this:
>we fly the flagship to the old rebel base
>we fly down down on the planet and hide, we know for sure that TFO won't scan for small ships (FOR SOME REASON)
>TFO will blow up the flagship and think that we are all dead
>meanwhile we will hide in the base and wait for them to leave

It failed because Del Toro old TFO about the plan he had no way of knowing about.

t. poe
point of escaping was that the first order wouldn't notice the smaller ships. That's why the admiral keep it a secret. That's why everyone fucking died when the codebreaker guy snitched the info
>its not like the order could just instantly follow their coattails
They could. There's a reason why they didn't hyperdrive and tried another strategy. The following device sends the signal in every 6 minutes, and you can't instantly hyperdrive, you need to charge it up first. If that wasn't the case, they could just hyperdrive one more time, they had the fuel

She was a good friend

No one mentioning the fact that the ships wouldn't stop because of running out of fuel because they were already accelerated with nothing to slow them down.

Rian Johnson doesn't know shit about space and noone was willing to lose their jobs to tell him.

No decompress when Leia comes in? Paige laying on the grating with bombs falling into space. Using actual bombers in space.

"It's a kids movie."

Keep teaching kids stupid shit and you get stupiid mfers running around.

> every single male character from the OT was marginalized into a coward and killed off other than the walking dog

Chewbacca is female

most naval ships run on self-contained nuclear reactors nowadays

>Basing the entire plot around some nonsensical space ship gas gauge countdown.

The problem wasn't that they didn't have enough gas. The problem was that they we're being tracked through hyper space. Even if they had a full tank they would eventually be caught.

>that Ben turning evil is why.
No, no, no. You know that is not what I was referring to.

Why is the character responding to it in THAT way when previously he wouldn't? What series of events, specifically, changed him? Again, they are showing us the end result of their changes in character they are neither telling us nor showing us why that changed occurred. Expecting the audience to fill in such huge gaps through accompanying media or, even worse, supposition, is just shitty writing that should have been sent back.

If they didn't have time to show us they shouldn't have taken an established character in that direction.

>part of my theory that you read too much Buzzfeed
What the fuck are you talking about? Buzzfeed is leftist garbage. Sounds like you're projecting.

>projecting your politics onto a movie
Except I am explaining every point I have made and your best response is "your politicizing it!! ignoring the fact that the movie is blatantly political on its own.

>Also your concern over a woman having blue hair
it is a well known trope in real life for radical third wave feminists to have brightly colored hair. Blue haired feminist is the meme making fun of these fat undesirables.
Literally google blue haired feminist.

>it isn't blue, by the way, which makes it seem like you don't know what you're talking about
Ironic considering you dont even know what a blue haired feminist is.

>you seem like somebody who has an innate fear or hatred of people (especially women)
Cool projection bro.

>Like, that's your argument? Laura Dern has "blue" hair, so it's bald SJW propaganda?
The movie is full of SJW propaganda as I have explained in detail ADN they literlaly have a blue haired feminist as a secondary character whos only real point in the story is to cut down the only male character at this point who matters. Then go out in some rah rah womeyn power blaze of glory deus ex machina.

>I guess Pink Flamingos is SJW propaganda now.
The fact that you're so ignorant on this topic explains a whole lot about your complete ignorance and obliviousness to the SJW bullshit in this movie...

>But the politial goals of Disney/Johnson/Kennedy have never been blatantly overt to the point of derailing the movies entirely.
You aren't aware of the SJW flak Disney has gotten for it's "white princesses" and their response to that with Moana et al.?
You aren't aware of the new trilogies creators acknowledgement that they are trying to make the movies more "inclusive" racially and address the SJW sexism accusations of the OT? Two defining SJW narratives.
You really are clueless.

except in that case there are typically counterpoints

I've responded to it though, as one can tell by looking through the thread. Maybe you're the one who is blind.

>arch
That's not the right word. But nevermind.

1) They show and explain why these characters have changed in the ways they have. None of the men - not one you've mentioned - are cowardly at the end and your fixation on this makes you look like a moron.

2) The men were the ones with more going on in the original trilogy and the ones with more character attachments in the new one. This makes them more malleable from a character writing perspective. If Leia had a problem with cowardice in the original trilogy, they might have reverted her. But she also didn't have a father/son dynamic with Ben. You're ignoring variables that are inconvenient to your politicised narrative.

3) You clearly don't know what an arc is. You don't even realise that all the male characters have arcs in this new series of movies and have specific reasons for being "cowardly" after 30 years. You're being willfully ignorant and mostly because there is a higher prominence of vagina creatures this time around. You're polticising Star Wars waayyyy more than Disney is.

4) I already established that you don't know the right word, you don't know what an arc even functionally is, and pointed out you blatantly ignoring arcs in the new series. These are pretty clear reasons for why you don't know what you're talking about.

5) You didn't pay attention. Again. He didn't run away for his own petty selfishness. He wanted to save his friend. This is literally established in the dialogue. You are a complete moron with a short attention span who doesn't pay attention to details.

6) Han's character is given reason, motivation, and a backstory between then and now. This is reaaally basic shit. He believed that he failed as a father. He was ashamed of himself. So he went back to doing what h did best abd removing himself from the situation so he didn't fuck up worse.

Cloud city was retconned into being a gas station in the Battlefront II campaign right before TLJ came out to explain space ship gas tanks.

they need the fuel for shield and hyperdrive, also without the fuel you can't change direction. And they could use bombers because ships have artificial gravity around them

>THERE IS NO SJW POLITICS IN THIS MOVIE!!!
>SJW bullshit is pointed out in detail
>HURR YOUR JUST CRYING BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE IT

You are truly a shit poster.

>The fact that you're so ignorant on this topic explains a whole lot about your complete ignorance and obliviousness to the SJW bullshit in this movie...
And this is what the argument keeps boiling down to with no evidence outside of the most intangible stuff possible. Great work. Why bring up pink hair if you can't actually prove anything about it?

Yes, yes they did.

I thought I saw somethign wrong but then they showed it again and again in like 8 more scenes with turbolaser bolts arching across space.

Option 1 - split up. Each one of the ships take off at Lightspeed one at a time to different locations. The order only had the 1 ship that could track through hs at one time (such a terrible plot device)
Option 2 - evacuate all but one Light speed ship and do what they did at the end with the main cruiser so they only lose one ship. Not the whole fleet.

Tbh after seeing the damage, why aren't their hyperspace weapons in this universe.
Although this is a galaxy far far away the same rules of the universe applies, so it would only take a small amount of mass at close to light speed to cause significant damage. and its seems like there are no sheilds for kinetic weapons

throw away post.

So you think it's just a (((coincidence))) that all white males on the Good side are either broken, or dead, the Good side is led exclusively by women (not even giving Admiral Ackbar time in the Sun), and the Evil side is staffed exclusively by white men (except for one white woman)?
And if you notice this, you're paranoid/politicizing it/an SJW/a nazi?

You're clearly trolling or brainwashed. Or you're a shill.

>If that wasn't the case, they could just hyperdrive one more time, they had the fuel

Nigger, they needed the fuel for the weapons and defense, you just confirmed you didnt pay attention to the movie you fucking mongoloid

So how does a star destroyer fill up?

Do they land and fill at a gas station???

>Chewbacca is female
Get yoru SJW retconned bullshit out of here.

he as referred to as a he several times in the OT.

by your logic, they would lost their track by hyperdriving. They wouldn't need their weapons if they hyperdrive.

You can't make an engine out of a nuclear reactor without some form of propellant.

Typically hydrogen due to it's high specific impulse.

Ships literally stop on the flick when they run out of fuel