Admiral Holdo

Admit it, he's right

when does admiral is purple hair woman?

She wasn't obligated to do so, but she was kind of a bitch. I was under the assumption the movie was trying to paint both of the characters as being in the wrong, but Sup Forums of course has an agenda at all times

>hurr why does the calm and unassuming character defies our expectations by not explaining her actions to the audience like they're children
I don't know. You tell me, OP.

>bloated oestrogen filled manchild larps that he even has the slightest inclination of what occurs on Naval vessels during war or on a mission

The Soyboy meme is fucking real

I lost any respect for Pablo Hidalgo. Someone asked him how he reacted to Rian Johnson script and he said he agreed with all of it. He's a soyboy who is scared of losing his job. Can't blame him but endorsing the shit in TLJ is pathetic.

The movie tries to fix this issue by having the Chinese lady say that people are trying to defect via escape pod. Meaning they have to maintain secrecy to stop it from leaking to the first order. However that falls apart when you remember this dude literally blew up Death Star 3.0 and is therefore trustworthy.

THREADLY REMINDER

HOLDO'S TOP SEKRET PLAN WAS TO

"ABANDON SHIP"

No wonder people start mutinies. Just look at Leia, she became a general just like that and some of the soldier had to make the whole way and earn it. Probably same thing with Holdo, she became admiral just because she's a pink haired wamen.

Why did she just let everyone on the other ships die if she had a plan?

That's not how a Rebel's army work.

There's hierarchy? Sure, but they work on brotherhood, not on orders. They fighting for a end. It's not their jobs, They just want to go back home.

They're not fighting for money, for power, but for their freedom.

Their hierarchy is based on RESPECT not on TITLES.

Umm no sweetie, she also planned to hide in a salt mine and wait until someone showed up to help them and bring them military hardware for free.

They're fighting for an end.*

Also, that's how REAL LIFE hierarchy works, the Rainbow haired hag without children that studies Social Sciences didn't inspire respect out of their crew. Not only that, she's a character that appeared out of no where. Like magic.

No one had to blindly follow her.

When it prevents a fucking mutiny.

>what are mission-type tactics
>what is net-centric/knowledge-based tactics

centralized command was made obsolesent by WWI and obsolete by end of WWII (unless you can afford to lose 5-20 times the enemy loses)

>When the captain is an officer and thus is required to make independent decisions to achieve the wider mission

>admiral that is dressed like a tumblrette
I'd ask for an explanation for such faggotry, too.

A one liner would have put him in place:
"There is a plan Captain, you're just not privy to it. Do as you are commanded or you are being insubordinate."
But NOOOOOOOOOO purple admiral has to stand there like a dummy.

Non argument

>OT depicts massive military debriefings where anybody can attend to showcase difference of democratic rebels vs fascist empire that force-chokes failures
>in ST, rebels go just listen to what I say cis-scum while empire generals take phone calls instead of their secretary

Inb4 SJWs are the real Nazis!

Leia led the rebellion from day one you daft cunt

Probably the dumbest complaint I've heard about the movie. An Admiral doesn't have to explain herself to a fucking captain.

>Rebel's
except theyre a resistance so none of what you said applies

No but the captain in question, and everyone else, should be aware that there is a plan beyond being picked off. Also its a fucking resistance not a formal military organisation.

She was a smug cunt to him for no real reason.

Yeah youre right.

Umm... Sweetie, when all the men under your command are losing faith, hope, feel they are throwing their lives away, and are close to mutiny, you are supposed to explain your orders. That's how it work Sweetie. You are supposed to keep moral in the army. When people are telling you they want to know the plan because the soldiers believe it's a suicide mission and are entirely too unwilling to continue, you solve the problem.

Sweetie, look, I know you are just pretending to be an admiral. It's cute. You're cute! Purple hair, very cute. But look, being an admiral is a man's job, and you need to do the job properly, sweetie.

>galaxy far away from our own
>they follow our military ranking system

No, but an unproven Admiral who commands her captains to execute orders that appear very dumb, without explaining the underlying intent, should expect a mutiny. You're required to follow orders, but absolute loyalty from immediate subordinates is earned.

Command at Sea will explain this.

Also being the last remaining member of the monarchy probably helped legitimized her claim, even if it was just as a figurehead

>galaxy far away from our own
>everyone speaks english

If she knew they were only tracking the main ship why didn't she have the other ships lightspeed away?

Why would that be something to keep secret? Even if the FO wasn't told about the ships and never fired on them if they were a smart military organization and not a Saturday morning cartoon villain they'd send some ships to scan the nearby planet, notice there's an old rebel base there and that there's been recent activity there. Wouldn't take a genius to put two and two together.

>Vice Admiral takes over command
>it's currently her time of the month
Everybody's gonna get raped!

Explaining orders might allow subordinates to see how incredibly stupid those orders are and suggest better orders.

Also if anyone bothered to notice she actually explained the fucking plan to all her officers.

When does a tumblerina without any knowledge of tactics or leadership and does not wear a fucking uniform or space suit is promoted vice admiral ?
Turns out, never.
Retarded, the tweet.

This is the obvious and correct answer

Someone so incapable of basic people management and preservation of morale would never rise through the ranks in a real military organisation, let alone to the status of an admiral

Pure incompetence

Not the fact Leia had been working for the rebellion as soon as she could and that over time gained her respect as an experienced person? I mean she didn't just let Luke and Han drag her around when rescuing her. She took action and grabbed a weapon, mocked their shitty job and was the one to give them an escape route.

If Holdo was in charge no one would know about the plan until the Death Star was in firing range of Yavin-4.

A Pink Haired Waman!!!

When is it a good idea to demote your commander:
>When he's a cis white male
>When he just saved the entire fleet from certain destruction

It's also a moral problem. One of the most important things you learn in the army is to keep moral high at all cost, keep the trust of your subordinates, explain clearly your orders when they are questioned by your officers in a hopeless environment, provided you have time to do so. Keep trust at a all time high. If trust and faith is broken, then everything fall apart.

Honestly, she feels like a female writer takes on the military. Holdo has the bigger balls (she is admiral), so she can be as bitchy as she wants and expect everyone to obey her orders. That's how it works in the military, right? The guy with the bigger balls bark orders and everyone is expected to fall in line, and if you don't you're wrong and the admiral is right and end of the story. This reeks of oestrogen so much.

Not even joking. This kind of bitchiness and expecting everyone to obey reeks of oestrogen.

They don't, it's just auto translated for convenience

This. She was a founding leader of the rebellion and had already earned the respect of subordinates.

She didn't show up our of nowhere -12 hrs BBY and pull a boner like this

Then so are the military ranks. :^)

Yeah but in their desperation some pilot probably would have FTL's his ship into the Death Star and given them a great new strategy on how to take down future Death Stars.

Technically Holdo also did stuff during the rebellion to gain their respect the only difference is we SAW Leia do stuff so we have an attachment to her character. With Holdo we're TOLD she did stuff and that we SHOULD have an attachment to her and feel sad when she sacrifices herself. Holdo should have either been Akbar or someone like Wedge, characters we also SAW do things to garner an attachment to.

>whole movies filled with rubber suits talking with regular humans with nobody batting an eye
>purple hair is somehow something worth focusing on and bringing up over and over

Autists really work in mysterious ways.

Um no sweetie. Only an extremely competent and feminine admiral can conceive of such innovative tactics. Ideas like that don't come from testosterone-filled flyboys.

She shouldn't be an admiral as how she behave anyways.

Of course. The tactic that should have been old as mud in a universe where lightspeed is thousands of years old technology that only now is being used in TLJ. Could that be anymore of a middle finger to Star Wars? How much you wanna bet Rain Johnson was some snarky teen that thought of this as an alternate and "better way" to take down the Death Star and decided to implement when he had the chance regardless of it now fucking with the entire universe cannon?

>With Holdo we're TOLD she did stuff and that we SHOULD have an attachment
Hmm. Maybe Lucas was directing this film after all.

In real life Admirals ALWAYS explain their plan to their subordinates partially to avoid what happened with Poe

this does not make a you a general all of the sudden. there were soldiers fighting since day one and they had to climb through all the steps on the latter to get to the top. what about them?

Rubber suits aren't a hallmark fashion statement of an extraordinarily fraught modern political faction.

This guy would be shoot by his own troops in Vietnam.

What does he think, troops are robots that will follow their leaders no matter what? Maybe if they're chinks, kek.

Star Wars - Now *almost* as much fun as a two and a half hour lecture on gender theory delivered by an angry lesbian!

>dumb retards who have never been in the military thinks it's ever acceptable for an officer to keep her subordinate officers entirely in the dark
What is an operations order?

Anybody from the army would tell you that no way a woman like that makes it to admiral position, be it ad-interim or through the chain of command. Maybe in Sweden, but during war times they would never let a woman run the thing. That is why it's jarring.

It's storytelling 101

You can make an audience feel attachment to any character, no matter how worthless or even evil they may be, so long as you give them enough time in the spotlight and show their vulnerabilities

The same works in reverse - even the most noble and gracious characters are insignificant to the audience if they aren't given time to grow attached

Completely amateurish writing

It's one of those plots that only exist because the characters aren't communicating properly

Not only does it improve morale, it allows officers to adapt to changing battlefield conditions because they know what the main objectives are. If you know what the Admiral wants you can switch to new tactics to make that happen when the enemy throws a wrench in your plans.

This is the worst thing in modern screenplays.

Seinfeld in Space

/thread

Using the word autist won't make you fit in redditor.

Bringing up reddit to deflect sure will, newfriend.

Holdo probably was ackbar in an earlier script but the target audience would have complained that a male (calamarian) did something

This
It’s always been canon that hyperspace is separate to real space.
Massive realspace objects project their gravity into hyperspace so flying through a star in hyperspace will fuck YOU up but you’re not in realspace so the star/planet will not be affected.
For the entire Star Wars Universe to make any sense this HAS to be the case. If it’s not the case then nothing in this universe makes sense.

You see, an object, even a tiny one, travelling at a fraction of lightspeed and impacting a planet will completely annihilate all life on that planet pretty much instantly. It makes the Death Star, Starkiller base etc completely pointless wastes of time. Any asshole with a cheap piece of junk ship with a hyperdrive could wipe out an entire planet.
Space battles would be fleets of drones accelerating into each other at light speed.

I cannot begin to express how badly hyperdrive ramming fucked the entire Star Wars universe. All for one “cool” CGI scene to make admiral tumblr some sort of martyr and deus ex an escape for the resistance.

I completely agree. The officers in Last Jedi were useless morons, but Poe needs to learn his place and follow orders, he got almost every pilot in the resistance killed with his stupid bombing stunt.

When its a terrible plan and everyone dies

So, what happens if a commander, who refuses to communicate their plan to their subordinates, dies before the plan is enacted?

Everyone under their command would be lost as to what to do since there were given no objectives. It would result in chaos and failure of the mission.

This is a simple enough explanation as to why keeping your subordinates in the dark is fucking dumb.

Could you picture Admiral Adam acting like that purple haired giraffe cunt? I don't think so.

Well, if they kept the B-wings and Y-wings, that were quite effective and designed for trench runs attacks, the whole scene would not even exist. These could literally destroy capital ships. Rebels would lose a few fighters and get the job done. Another shitty thing in this shitty nuwars.

>if they kept the B-wings and Y-wings
The B wing was designed to replace the aging y-wing.
By the time of the disney movies things like the X and Y wing should be museum pieces while the A and B wing replaced them, with their next generation of replacements being introduced.

The empire dindu nuffin
It’s stated in the canon that the republic was stagnating and hadn’t progressed for centuries
Empire comes along and there is massive technical innovation
Nu-Republic forms and what do you know, back to beuracracy, inefficiency and stagnation.

Bring back Sheev.

>. I was under the assumption the movie was trying to paint both of the characters as being in the wrong,
They failed at then, badly because when lives are at stake plans needs to be explained.

I thought I remembered her saying something exactly along those lines. Didn't she?

Yep, i was aware, but seeing the horribly inefficient nubombers make the y-wing look like a top tiers fighter in comparison. At least, it could dogfight and launch torpedoes from afar, instead of having to get on top of the objective. And while not very agile, the B-wing had a very thin profile, hard to target, and heavy shields and weaponry. Both, while outdated by the time of nuwars, would work better than these 1930 era bombers.

>fandom wars
What is this tumblr??

what are you mutiny fags even trying to argue

>okay they mutiny
>confront holdo
>going kill her.
>wait guys
>i was gonna tell you guys to get in the transports and im going to sacrifice myself and this ship thats going to died anyways to do a number on the first order

then fucking what? they mutiny anyways? come up with a different plan? oh wait, the only other people that did have another idea are already doing it.

>Empire comes along and there is massive technical innovation
Like what?

>have most of the senior staff killed
>don’t tell the highest ranking pilot what the plan is
>even though you plan on handing leadership to him at the start of your plan

Why does everything in this script stumble over itself when later parts of the script are revealed? It can’t stay consistent with its themes and morals.

Super Star Destroyers, megalazers, armour.

No, sadly this is outdated info. A-Wings and B-Wings are contemporaries of Z95s and X-Wings and TIE Defenders as per Rebels.

armour hasn't changed and I hesitate to call
>Super Star Destroyers, megalazers
for "massive technical innovation"

>Rebels.
You want to fucking fight?

Don't they realize how bad these optics are? You don't do this shit if you have confidence in your product.

>space station that can destroy a planet
>pulling ships out of hyperdrive

>he

This

>Alright we just destroyed the last rebe-Iiiiiii meaaaaan, resistance ship
>Is that a perfectly habitable planet a parsec away?
>Conveniently located right about where they exited out of light speed?
>Better fuckoff back to where ever we came from now that our job is certainly done

I mean, it wouldn't be nu starwars unless the evil patriarchal fo was out smarted by a plan from the mind of a basic 12 year old girl

If your method of command is to push the crew to the point of mutiny before you are willing to explain your plan of attack to anybody, then you lack the skills required for competently commanding a scout troop, let alone a starship

The character's behaviour is completely inexplicable given her supposed background as a successful and trusted leader

The fact that Kathleen Kennedy okayed the script without asking questions about that plot point says a lot about her management style

I wouldn't buy stocks in Disney with her at the helm of their flagship franchise, if that's what she thinks is a good example of leadership for young women

>space station that can destroy a planet

Retardation on the empires part.
As TLJ showed, hyperdrive ramming is a thing. They could have just stuck a hyperdrive on any old bit of space junk and had a droid smash it into a planet at lightspeed to achieve the same thing for a fraction of the cost.

>space station that can destroy a planet
They always had what was needed to destroy a planet, it's just that the old way required a fleet of ships.

Say sweetie one more fucking time and I’ll track your IP address and drown you in your own toilet whilst your mother watches

Yes and American never needed to invent the nuclear bomb, they could just have loaded a plane with as much explosive and TNT as possible and then ram the plane into whatever city they needed to bomb.

>except theyre a resistance

funny because the movie itself can't even decide whether they're rebel or resistance
>rebel scum

how do command chain heiarchies work when a unit is facing certain death irl? im pretty sure the spartans at thermoplae werent badgering leonidas about a backup plan or if they were we dont know about it cause they all died anyways

You clearly dont know how Spartans worked

He's right, except for the fact that he is absolutely fucking wrong