With franchises and “cinematic universes” popping up left and right, it’s great to look back at this gem. Really hating the climate that Hollywood has subscribed the movie watching audience to — its peak consumerism 101; pandering to fan service when convenient, that converts things to cash.
What happened to a good story, a good well rounded movie? Its an endless rouse of buildups (with almost no satisfactory pay off) and popcorn entertainment. No wonder Hollywood is dying.
What happend Sup Forums? Will things ever get back to the way they were? I not saying that duds won’t exist tho — I’m just hoping for big movies that treat its audience with a higher level of intellect, not this endless stream of bullshit.
>pic related is a masterclass in making a “complete” trilogy.
Why didn't they use a carrier pidgeon to carry the ring and train it to fly directly into the volocano?
Easton Hall
Because that's an incredibly stupid plan?
Nathan Morales
pigeon will become corrupted
Nathaniel Cook
So I don't understand this meme
Everyone asks why didn't they just fly eagles? But where the fuck would they get eagles that could carry the weight of frodo and samn and gandalf?
Colton Stewart
>With franchises and “cinematic universes” popping up left and right, it’s great to look back at this gem
Just fuck my shit up senpai
Hudson Peterson
This trilogy is amazing, the fact that it maintained such a consistent level of storytelling was a bit of a miracle, especially when you see the trainwreck The Hobbit became.
James Perry
It's a defensive maneuver for an industry in decline, just like how every movie needs to have a Chinese actor or two in it now. Hollywood has largely brought about its own death and just like sequels (and remakes, although audiences have grown cold to those), Hollywood will go wherever the money is.
The Disney / Fox buyout happened for a reason. We saw this in the Japanese video game industry a few years ago too, with most of the big publishers announcing mergers. There simply wasn't room for as many tentpole studios anymore so they consolidated, and now the same is happening in Hollywood.
Anthony Bennett
>pic related is a masterclass in making a “complete” trilogy. Hello Peter. The battles were drawn out and uninteresting. Lord of the Rings is an adventure series not Age of Empires.
Jose Martin
no it's not
Cooper Smith
why didn't your dad come in your moms mouth instead of her cunt
Levi Smith
Why didn't they just encase the ring in concrete and throw it in the ocean between Middle Earth and Valinor.
Brandon Thomas
if you really wanted good stories then you wouldn't have franchises.
Brandon Sanders
There's something to consider here The lord of the rings is a trilogy of books, and had so much content that a lot of it was left on the cutting board for the movie trilogy adaptation, so you basically had one book per movie. It also was made during the golden age of practical effects, clever tricks and makeup artists and props so good they actually trick you into believing they could actually be real. The orcs, goblins and their armor, all forged, the fact every character was in the shot at the time, even the hobbits and dwarves, everything was just amazing and real.
The Hobbit was a single book that was forced and stretched into a trilogy to the point the third movie can be considered fanfiction and completely unnecessary, it has stupid shit going on constantly and an unnecessary love subplot completely original to the movies simply to pad runtime, then there's constant and glaring use of shitty CGI at times on the level of the ones used sparingly in LotR a whole decade earlier, and cartoony action that made it look like a video game rather than something that could actually happen. There was like, two Legolas moments in the LotR trilogy where it looked fake as fuck: the Troll in Moria and the Oliphant in Return of the King whereas in the Hobbit, every action scene plays like that shit and the elves seem to take "graceful" into physics breaking territory.
Everything was just fucking fake as shit. The pacing was a mess and the movie itself was such a soulless mess Ian Mckellen broke down and cried during the filming. It's hard to believe two trilogies set in the same world directed by the same guy, could turn out so night and day, it's like Peter Jackson just didn't care anymore and sleepwalked through it all and let CGI do the work youtube.com/watch?v=aVMq7ynj_64
Blake Cruz
>No mention of Guillermo Del Toro Come on user, Peter Jackson wasn't the only reason the Hobbit trilogy was so shitty.
Austin Hall
...did you finish watching the trilogy? Or am I missing the joke?
Michael Anderson
A better question is, if the Eagles were these ancient mystic beings predating Middle Earth to the time of the Maiar why wouldn't they be willing to risk their lives against the Nazgul to destroy Morgoth's fucking apprentice?
Levi Baker
Quest is too low level.
Jeremiah Gray
Honestly, it's a problem that Tolkein's whole universe inherited from his Catholic world-view: the forces of good are inevitably stronger and better than the forces of evil, but for some inexplicable reason they just sit on their asses and watch while evil fucks everything up over and over for anyone unfortunate enough to be born weak.
Leo Ortiz
>but for some inexplicable reason they just sit on their asses and watch while evil fucks everything up over and over for anyone unfortunate enough to be born weak
It's because bravery and courage against overwhelming odds is also a part of his work. If all the forces of good constantly banded together every time evil appeared, then there would be no heroes. Nobody would be brave, because everyone is brave. Stopping the bad guys would just be the status quo, not an admirable desire.
Jacob Campbell
That was explicitly explained though. The Maiar and the Vaiar were forbidden by Eru from interfering with mortal affairs. That's why Gandalf stopped to fight Durin's Bane but refused to help fight most of the time. Because Balrogs are Maiar.
Nathaniel Young
Except the Valar came to Middle-earth and whooped Morgoth's ass just because Earendil showed up and asked them to. And they sent the wizards to counter Sauron, who is also Maiar by the way. So if the Valar are allowed to intervene against other Ainur, and they are so compassionate and good, why won't they just take an afternoon off from partying in the Undying Lands to get Sauron out of everybody's shit?
is the real answer. It makes LotR a good story, but that's a meta reason. It's still a flaw in the universe, just like it's a flaw in Catholic theology, whether believers admit it or not.
Luis Anderson
You can go meta without going real life user. The only times Eru itself (supposedly) intervened during LOTR were to bring Gandalf back and to make sure the ring ended up in Mount Doom at the most critical moment.
It can be argued that Eru didn't give permission for anybody to intervene because they didn't need to intervene any more than they were as proven by the ring ending up destroyed and Sauron ending up banished for good.
Nolan Walker
>It can be argued that Eru didn't give permission for anybody to intervene That's plausible, but not stated. You're just saying it now because it's a convenient argument. And it begs the question: what is Eru's fucking deal anyway? Why does he/she/it not give a fuck about the suffering of mortals?
>they didn't need to intervene any more than they were as proven by the ring ending up destroyed and Sauron ending up banished for good ...at the cost of much misery and sorrow that could have been avoided very easily.
Bentley Clark
>Why does he/she/it not give a fuck about the suffering of mortals? Well now we're just getting into theological realms and moral relativism. Who's to say who does and doesn't get to live. When it is verified that Eru does intervene it is explicitly to stop Sauron himself and the evil he personally had a hand in creating. He doesn't intervene to kill Durin's Bane, just to bring Gandalf back to stop Sauron. He also as confirmed in the sequel story doesn't kill the orcs.
Justin Johnson
>It's still a flaw in the universe, just like it's a flaw in Catholic theology It gives this life a good story
Cameron Morgan
>The pacing was a mess and the movie itself was such a soulless mess Ian Mckellen broke down and cried during the filming.
Piss off. McKellen broke down and cried during filming because he repeatedly failed to deliver what was expected of him during the shoot of a particularly technically complex scene. That's it.
I don't even disagree with your view of The Hobbit but I swear, every nerd who talks about its flaws tries to twist things to make McKellen's breakdown somehow relevant to their particular gripes. "Sir Ian broke down in tears because of the CGI!" "Sir Ian broke down in tears because they changed it too much from the book!" "Sir Ian broke down in tears because the movie was a soulless mess!" Just stop.
