Why did he use a force ghost if he was going to die anyway?

Why did he use a force ghost if he was going to die anyway?

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Why didn't he project himself with the green lightsaber? Why didn't Kylo go 'wait, how are you using that lightsaber? It was destroyed!'.

because if he actually went to Crait he would have just gotten blown up by the walkers

the point of the scene is that Luke Skywalker has transcended the mortal coil and become a symbol for the Resistance and in doing so has become more powerful than he could ever hope to be as a mere man

They killed him in post-production. Hamill was complaining too much with fans about how SW was turning into a shitfest.
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>hamill got Poochied
Nobody deserves that

Well he didn't have a functioning ship, unless X-Wings that have been submerged for who knows how long magically work. Also we don't know how far it is to (not) Hoth from wherever he is so it may have taken too long.

Why did he have his ghost walk out without explaining to the resistance that he was a going to distract the first order in order to give them time to escape?

Lol this is so fucking true

He didn't die. He disappeared.
Betcha he will come back in ep IX as an almighty force ghost now that Disney made SW a capeshit-tier story where everything can happen.

He doesn't know that the lightsaber was destroyed.

Because it would take too long to travel to where they were.

Rey managed to get there on time

why did they let some random bitchy pink haired lady go out with a bang instead of Leia?

yeah, this movie need more people explaining what they will do in the next scene!

as opposed to a documentary about life in space?

they wanted to keep her around for episode IX i presume

He was the one who destroyed it...

As opposed to a fiction where characters are constrained by their persona and by the rules of the universe they inhabit, which leads to an actual story, not an endless rehash of tropes.

If the Skywalker saber is destroyed, how can Rey fight Kylo now? Is she going to build her own? lol

I'm just kidding. It's not funny. Rey is a strong woman who doesn't need guidance, she's going to build the best fucking hilt in the universe.

How could he have known that

She will have a green one now because 3rd movie the character gets a green one

Saberstaff Rey? Dual wielding Rey?

>he would have just gotten blown up by the walkers
Yeah, not like he could have just force-crushed those wobbly walker legs or anything.

Or Ackbar

because they didn't want kylo to kill him since he is no supposed to be rey's romantic interest

That's the only thing that'd make sense for her character and would actually validate her skillset.

Just turn your brain off

Popular fan-theory is that he wasn't supposed to die but was killed off in post-production. It's possible given how vague his death scene is. Hamill might have been told they're filming a scene with Luke trying to catch his breath after using a very complex and exhausting force technique.

Because this movie was written by hacks.

I'm trying to figure it out purely in the context of the movie, ignoring that Mark Hamill got Kermited.

I think the idea is he really doesn't care about the Resistance. It's not his game anymore, and he doesn't even really care about taking sides. The one and only reason he reconnected with the Force is to finish training Kylo. Even though Poe says 'he's buying us time', I don't think that was really his goal.

He also wanted to deprive Kylo of killing him. The intent to kill, and not being able to follow through, would probably throw him into an even bigger loop, especially since he 'failed' to kill Leia.

I think there's still plenty of room for Luke to do some real Jedi Master wisdomcrafting in IX. If he makes good on his promise to haunt Kylo's ass for the rest of time, he can basically just pop up every time Kylo's about to do anything, and just say "hello Nephew, quit a pickle you've got yourself in here".

The best way for me to look at it, is that he remembered what Obi Wan did for him, and is trying to do the same thing for Kylo, without necessarily putting his thumb on the scale for the Resistance.

pls r8 my gay theory

Fisher signed the contract for three movies.

Why did he need a diving board to somersault over to the other ship when Jedis can fly?

You know why. No fun allowed.

The green lightsaber was part of his worst moment, Anakin's lightsaber was being used by Rey throughout the movie as a symbol of hope. Him choosing the blue lightsaber was an attempt to choose hope over something he and Kylo associated with a moment of weakness.

It's also another huge hint to the audience that he wasn't really there.

That would have left people with an image destroying things. He wanted to show up and make a huge impact on everyone while looking invincible. It sends a much different, and way better, message.

By force projecting, he can show up and defeat the entire first order force (and kylo ren) without killing anybody or destroying anything (remember Rose's words?)

Because the all-female storygroup decided that they couldn't let Luke exhibit too much toxic masculinity. By making him an hologram, they neutered. At the end of the Luke doesn't use his lightsaber a single time. They allow him to do as an hologram or as a flashback. It's clear that it was very important for the cunts of the story group that the only good guy allowed to swing the lightsaber would be Marey Sue.

Anyone else thought that he was using a conventional hologram to fool Kylo and that he would pop out somewhere else?

It would’ve fun to have him as a chaotic good version of the obi wan ghost. It would also be similar to the role Hamill played in one of the Arkham games where Bats is haunted by the memories of the Joker and keeps swing him perched in weird places and pestering him

>Kylo returns to his new throne room after a long night of brooding
>Sees Luke chilling on his throne, splayed out in full relaxation mode
>”Long day Ben? Oh, did I take your seat?”
>Ben spazzes out and storms out of the room
>Luke is standing at the doorway already slamming some blue milk
>”Ooh touchy touchy young Solo. Thirsty?”

>Haha, you think this is the real Luke? It is.

I think the core of your idea is a pretty good reason, too. By not physically being there, there's no chance of Kylo killing him, and no chance of him killing Kylo (accidentally or otherwise). That probably would have been very important to him.

Fuck off mouse shill.

It doesn't matter. They already butchered Luke by turning him into a coward who thinks about killing his twin sister and best friend's son, his nephew, and when shit hits the fan because of it, just runs away to let the galaxy get ran roughshod over by space Nazis.

His legacy has already been sullied beyond redemption.

>green lightsaber was part of his worst moment
What? Luke kicked ass when he had the green one and when he had the blue one he had his ass kicked.

>Playing it safe always ends in disaster
This is some top tier female logic right here.

ITT: People actually thinking being dead is going to keep Luke from showing up in 9

>remember Rose's words?
You mean the dumbest thing ever uttered by a human being?

Luke can't even whip his laser dick out anymore.

Depends on the contract Mark signed.

What was that hole on the island that rey went into? What was up with all that mirror shit with multiple reys? Looked like some film school project.

If luke wanted the jedi to end, what exactly was his plan to stop dark side users like kylo ren and snoke if there is no jedi to stop them?

Also, why did luke have a change of heart at the end? I dont remember

If they listened to any criticism of TLJ at all, which they probably have to given the measly one billion dollar box office return, they probably caught on that people were invested in Luke Skywalker and didn't like his role. People wanted something closer to Logan, where a beloved character does one last important thing before stepping aside. Since force ghosts are an established thing in Star Wars, there's room for JJ expanding and justifying all the insulting shit and still show that Luke is out for the good of the Galaxy and his friends.

I hated his part in TLJ as much as anyone. But I'm trying to force myself to believe there's a potential for him to make a strong comeback in IX.

You think Mark is gonna even fucking try? His performance will be as phoned in as Fords in TFA. They straight up betrayed him, look at this fucking reaction after he saw the full movie at the premier. That kind of rage is not easily forgotten or forgiven.

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But that's just the thing: I don't want him to come back in IX. I want people to have to live with what they did to Luke, and understand that without him and the Skywalkers, Star Wars is dead. It's a lifeless husk, a shell for corporate hacks to put on when they want to squeeze a few more shekels out of their soy-addled, Funk Pop-collecting sheep.

It's the Trial of the Mirror, as the old EU would have said. Jedi have to confront their own demons, and almost certainly fail the test, learning what their deepest flaws say about them and revealing how they could fall if they don't put aside their own personal shit.

Luke encountered Vader and immediately went to town, only to lean that Vader has some of Luke in him and vice versa. He ignored the lesson and still tried to confront Vader, but in refusing Vader's offer to join him he passed his second test.

I guess Rey learned that her own doubts about her past can be her undoing, except when she refused Kylo at the end it made no sense.

Also why the fuck didn't Rey get some kind of horrible wound? I think she'd look good with a big grody eyepatch.

I'm more invested in Luke Skywalker than I ever was in Star Wars, and that part of my brain refuses to accept this as his last showing. I could forgive all the stupid shit in this movie except for what they did to Luke, and I could forgive all the stupid shit in the next one as long as Luke gets to show that everyone was right to put their faith in him for all those years.

>I'm more invested in Luke Skywalker than I ever was in Star Wars, and that part of my brain refuses to accept this as his last showing
And that's why he needs to stay away. This isn't Star Wars. This is nu-Wars by Disney™ and it means nothing.

why the hell do you all think he died? He is clearly not dead, he just went poof and became one with the force. Probably to be deux ex machina in the next one, but he clearly didn't die.

I believe it.

I GOT THAT REFERENCE AND I CLAPPED

His X-Wing was submerged on Dagobah so it could have worked on Ac-Toh or whatever the fuck it was called.

It had been submerged for over a decade and one of the wing components was the door on Luke's hut. I know it's space shit, but I doubt even an X Wing could stand up to years of salt corrosion.

So since when can you die from overexerting your Force powers?

They aren’t. They outright REFUSE to CG her.

He (probably) didn't die from a force hernia, he just realized that he could be most useful by existing as a force ghost. If Kylo had said "yeah alright sorry let's call all this off", Luke would have just gone back to milkies and fucking lizard people. But because Kylo's training wasn't complete and he was the only one who could do the job, he decided to check out of his corporeal form.

well good luck to them now. I'm almost glad she is dead since this fucks over the production of the movie.

So he intentionally transcended? That's a better theory but the way it looks is that he was exhausted and just died like some old fart.

>opening scene of IX

>public funeral for Leia after a 10 year timeskip

- or -

>oh no look Leia's cruiser is getting shot down oh no

Oh fuck off. The Last Jedi is the first good Star Wars movie in 30 years.

Lots of pacing issues and plot holes, plus character inconsistencies between various points in their character arcs, keep it from being great. I'm pretty sure you can cut the entire Canto Bight arc from the film and it'd be not only better, but no more confusing for the omission.

But it's still a really good film. The music and visuals are great, probably because this is the first Star Wars by an actually skilled director since George replaced all the talented people who worked on the OT. The core emotional arc between Rey, Kylo, and Luke works really well and everyone involved gives great performances. The action is really fun when it counts, like the opening with Poe or Luke's short but sweet duel with Kylo, despite the pacing dragging a lot during the second act.

Overall, I rate 86/100 - better than anything *since* the OT, but weighed down by too many plot and pacing problems to be on the level of the originals.

Honestly the way it looked to me was Luke feeling the resolve and purpose to finally leave the island and get back into the fight. Once he composed himself, the scene looked like the Triumphant Return of Luke Skywalker.

That's probably what the script originally said. Then Mark Hamill kept asking why the movie was bad so they had him pop like a soap bubble and left us to figure this shit out on Sup Forums.

I absolutely hate this movie and everything Disney has done for a decade, but my brain is hermenutically programmed by Star Wars and I can't ignore the franchise without permanent damage.

>Once he composed himself, the scene looked like the Triumphant Return of Luke Skywalker.
Mark was directed to look into the sunset and "smile" he figured it was his awakening to become the hero he once was. Instead Disney killed him and Mark had no idea. I'm more upset at that than anything that happens within the movie.

The prequels were better and infinitely more faithful to Star Wars than anything out of this new Cuck Trilogy. Directly from the mind of George Lucas. They werent perfect by any means but they were still Star Wars.

>poochied
explain

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Why the fuck was the major plot about a space ship with a shield slowly being depleted? Why does one ship have such strong shields and no others? Why did the evil battle ship keep shooting it slowly instead of shooting it with tones of lasers to kill it faster? Why then when the good guys shields are depleted does the sjw bitch send the ship at light speed to destroy the bad guys? Why didn't they do that in the first place? Why don't they always just send shit at lightspeed to fuck shit up? Why don;t the bad guys have shields against that?

Why does this shitty movie have such shitty plot? Its literally like children playing with toys in space making shit up and power levels.

I don't know why you sperglords are obsessing over the hyperspace jump. The was the largest ship the Resistance had, its expensive, and its a biggest waste to simply jihad it at some other ships. The FO ships were focusing on the smaller transport and thus were not firing at the Resistance capital ship. That tactic worked because it happened to be under very special circumstances. It's accepted a small fighter can shoot a pair of missiles into a vent and explode an entire space station the size of a moon, but a capital ship going into hyperspace wouldnt fuck some shit up in its path?

Thats not what I asked at all. You didn't answer shit thank you

This is pretty much what Disney did.

It wasn't about their shields being depleted, it was about waiting for their gas to run out. The Resistance ships were able to stay out of effective range of the heavy turbolasers, but kept firing just for bantz.

As for why they didn't hyperspace ram them with the other cruisers as soon as gas became an issue, I dunno.

Your refusal to see the answers doesn't mean your fucking sperglord questions weren't answered.

1. That ship is worth more intact than used as a jihad suicide ship.
2. That ship wouldn't get close enough to do a jump like that because it would get blown away.

Do you watch the news? Suicide bombers get stopped all the time in their suicide cars because soldiers see it coming and stop it. When don't they stop it? If they are distracted or never see it coming. Which is explained in the fucking movie, Hux says out loud to ignore the capital ship and focus on the transports because he has no idea pink haired cunt was gonna go full allahu ackbar.

so all retarded answers. Cool. Shit movie

why didn't they use theses ships to kamikaze the deathstar?

If mass travelling in hyperspace can interact with normal space, then there would be no counter to it short of interdictors. You could just bolt a hyperdrive and navicomputer to any asteroid and it instantly has the energy to destroy the most expensive ships the enemy owns.

If the movie had made any effort to removing the Supremacy's shields, or had something vaguely special about the resistance ship, or anything, I could get over it. But it's like if every single car on the street had a hydrogen bomb in the passenger seat but no one ever thought to use it. The movie just didn't even try to justify it.

If you had payed attention to the movie Hux answers all of your questions. Why they chase the Resistance ship, why they keep shooting it, why their guns aren't doing any damage, why he ignored a capital ship spooling up its hyperdrive.

You just sound like a mouth breating retard you can't even grasp simple story telling techniques, like characters explaining things to the audience so they understand whats going on.

Rebels didn't have any capital ships at Yavin. Death Star 2 was being shielded by a massive shield generator from the planet surface. Did you watch the movies you fucking sperglord?

You're really earning your $0.03 a reply, Disney shill.

Would be sick to see him deflect a ATAT blast with his saber.

it's like if every single car on the street had a hydrogen bomb in the passenger seat but no one ever thought to use it. The movie just didn't even try to justify it.

this

Why are you even bothering trying to explain it to the retarded sperg? He is clearly shitposting

lazy white male

>Rebels didn't have any capital ships at Yavin

They were all blown up in the fight in the previous movie which they could have won by jumping a Y-Wing into the Devastator's bridge.

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I feel bad for chewy, man. Watching all his friends die, all he has left is c3p0 and r2d2

But shields wont matter when you can just hyperspace yourself into the middle of your target.
Why the need for proton torpedos when you can just have one of your x-wing suicide himself through the shaft?

Backstroke of the West is a legitimately more enjoyable story than Last Jedi

you forgot that chewy became vegetarian too

It's right next to: "If you kill your enemies, they win".

porgs are so cute, why eat them when you can buy them at your nearest toy store?

Because if he'd been on the planet, Luke would have needed to perform something physically impressive. Not just to school Kylo but he'd have needed to pull some serious Force work to stall all the FO warmachines, like actually blocking all those blaster shots and possibly tossing an AT-ST into the other.

And that would have completely overshadowed Rey lifting a bunch of rocks while in complete safety.

I think my biggest problem with this movie is that it wasn't so much a story as one long setup.

The Holdo plot is to setup Poe as the next Rebel Leader. The Casino Planet is to setup Rose/Finn. Snoke's entireexistence is just one big excuse to give a teen a galactic Empire. Luke's appearance is to remove him from the storyline and setup Rey as THE JEDI. He's not here to impress or give guidance, he's here to quietly pass the mantle to the new protagonist in a way that very much tells you the new hotness is much better than the oldfag.

It's basically checking one item after the other off a list so it ends up with the universe in the shape they want it to be for their next story and too bad if this story ends up nonsensical and utterly mediocre in their effort to get there.


It's like TFA only existed to prove Disney could make a classic Star Wars movie, and then TLJ exist to get rid of all the elements you'd consider as "classic." I'm more than fine with their decision to shake things up, but the way they went at it was all-aroujnd unstatisfying.

>Kylo keeps saying "let the past die! Kill it if you have to!"
>the past literally shoves its way into Kylo's life until he makes his peace with it

Could be good.

>Luke can't even whip his laser dick out anymore.
They castrated the character. Kathleen Kennedy is obsessed with doing that. The fact that she lets directors shot almost entirely their film and then cock block them by forcing them to watch another director reshoot and edit their film. It must be a traumatizing experience, Phil&Lord simply walked out to avoid enduring this. Gareth Edwars suffered so much he basically quit filmmaking. This bitch really has some serious issues with men.

>mash
>death of Colonel Henry Blake

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Star Wars isn't just a thing for socially alienated white men/boys anymore. It's grown beyond that little niche, and it also needs to lose the baggage associated with whiteness/maleness to reach a larger audience and have more influence.

Lots of the lessons and teachings embodied by Luke Skywalker are white, masculine and western in character. They've been done to death. The monomyth, Joseph Campbellian structure is dated and stale, and it can't keep running on those fumes forever.

I sympathize with lots of the grumbling white male neckbeards are doing. Star Wars was their thing and they don't want to share their beloved toys. And they're obviously gonna hate The Last Jedi because, in essence, it's about how Luke's legend really was flawed and limited in its scope.

The Jedi philosophy, just like the phallocentric white male western patriarchy, was bogged down in its own dogma. There's something beautiful and touching about the sentiment of "passing the torch" in TLJ. The white western male, long held as the only source of heroism and power in the canon, gracefully steps aside not only for his own good, but for the good of the universe.

In more diverse and progressive hands, there's no telling what this universe, and the force along with it, might become. It's an exciting prospect, to say the least, for those who aren't embittered neckbeards living in their parents' basements.

TLJ is going to be a watershed moment in sci-fi and genre films generally. It's all about letting go, letting your creation grow beyond you. And Star Wars, like civilization itself, has evolved beyond its parochial and patriarchal past.