Bucky came back in a better story

>Bucky came back in a better story
>Written by a better writer
>He became Captain America when Jason Todd became a jobber
>Was a key character in two extremely successful blockbuster
>Jason Todd is more popular somehow.

How?

Batman

You want to root for Jason Todd. You want to see Bucky fail miserably.

Cap is a fag and Batman is more popular, therefore (since people hate fags and like popular things) Batman-associated things become more popular than fag-associated things

>A famous movie
>A famous video game
>tumblr pandering

>Jason Todd is more popular somehow.

Bucky had two famous live-action movies and tumblr pandering.

Jason's comeback story is better.

Bucky also lost everything that made him unique.

Bucky and Steve is now part of the gay culture zeitgeist.
Its tainted and a sinking ship even woman are on board.

The have the largest collection of gay porn


Disney should have learned its lesson

One you gave a rat(fags) a cookie he's going to comeback for more.

>Jason Todd is more popular somehow.
Because even if he's only had one good story (inb4 someone mentions current RHatO, yeah its OK). UtRH it's a simple genuinely good story when you cut all the crap like the movie did, and makes you root for the kid who at the end of the day, in a twisted fashion just wants his dad to love him.

Jason is easily more popular than Bucky.

Winter Soldier books don't even last long.

MCU movies are flavour of the week. Jason appeals a lot to incestuous shippers as well as edge fags on tumblr.

>even woman are on board.
"Only women are on board" would be more actual.

This doesn't make sense considering Jason has a lot of gay porn as well.

>Jason/Tim actually passed Jason/Dick

What went wrong?

>Jason/Tim
It's the jock nerd archetype, which is my main problem with it it makes Tim way more of a crying wimp than they ever managed in canon, and Jason far more of a suave fucker than the traumatised spaghetti spiller that he character is in comics.

>Tfw you ship Jason/Dami.
Why me?

Fanon Tim is pretty fucking awful because of that in general.

DC itself paired Jason and Tim during the New 52 to function was an equivalent to Dick/Damian.

Tim practically interacted only with Jason inside the Bat-Family.

As opposed to Canon Tim?
*rimshot*

mah nigga.

Bump

>Jason Todd is more popular somehow.
sorry, but there's is no possible way that's true

I don't think it is due to fujoshits from the MCU Bucky probably wins. They ever shove Jason in a live action then it gets interesting.

bucky is only popular because of tumblr fags and shippers

It is.

Also, Red Hood trade just got in the Top 10 best sellers of the month. Winter Soldier + Thunderbolt was canceled due to shit sales.

Here, this is why I think his book is doing better than anything related with Bucky in the last years.

But there are also other reasons: Bucky books has had been pretty weak, and the only times they worked, was when he wasn't the lead character. He does have a personality, a charming one, but is often associated with very weak writers and average to awful pencilers.

I doubt Jason is more popular than him: Bucky is an A lister now thanks to Cap movies. Jason isn't: he's starting to be well known now thanks to the games (and an arguably entertaining animated movie, even it it's now worldwide known). But he's a B-lister at best: only know by comic readers and a bunch of people outside that. Whereas even my mom knows who is the winter soldier (well, she doesn't know his name, but she knows he's Cap's friend).

And this comes from a Jasonfag.

> average to awful pencilers.

up until Zubbolts Bucky had great artists. Marco Rudy and Del Mundo were the ones on his last book!!

>They ever shove Jason in a live action then it gets interesting.
not really because it'll still be a DC movie

no one cares about comics and just wait until Bucky's announced for MvCI

Riiight, I forgot about Del Mundo, goddammit.
I'm sorry, I was wrong about that.

>Bucky is an A lister now
An A-lister than can't sell a book to save his life?

>no one cares about comics
How Marvelfags have fallen.

Despite the quality of Del Mundo and Marco Rudy neither of them where number getters at the time.

>no one cares about comics and just wait until Bucky's announced for MvCI
That's all they have now, syngergy to attract all the normies, thank god MvCI looks like shit and all the normies like Injustice 2 more.

"A lister" means that even someone who doesn't is invested in the original media knows. The matter of him selling books or not is out of question, user.

Or at least that's what I was told years ago. I don't know if that has changed.

Jason has a cooler costume. That's how it works. Hellboy had two good movies and two good animated films, while Spawn had one shitty film, but Spawn's design appeals more to normalfags so that's why he's more popular.

If Jason Todd sells consistently better than Bucky, he is more popular. Simple as that.

If Bucky is sales poison, he is not A-lister. Few characters are.

Would you say that Sam Wilson is more popular than Dick Grayson?

>Bucky is an A lister
You're retarded. A-Listers can carry series past 30 issues.

If I asked my brother about Falcom and he knows who I'm talking about, yes, definitely.

But if I asked my mother? She sure doesn't know him. So he's at least know for people that casually read and watch movies. Red Hood, on the other hand? I'm well sure he doesn't know him, because when he was starting to play Arkham Knight, I immediately knew what was the think about, while my brother still though every tug was working for the Scarecrow (a character he does know).

Now, if you're talking about popularity only comics wise, yeah, sure, Jason is in his peak at know, while Bucky is way, way down in the list of popular, well know characters.

I already explained why I think he is an a-liter and what I understand that being an a lister means. Which apparently is different from what you people think it means.

>tug
I meant thug. I made a lot of mistakes, but I hope I've got my point across.

If people aren't interested enough in the character to wants to read him, then he isn't popular.

People simply don't want to read Bucky. Put him together with Natasha, or killing aliens in space, or leading the Thunderbolts, and he always fails.

While DC gave awful writers and awful artists to Jason during years and he managed to keep being published during years because people go after him. They dig the character and want to read about him.

Look at how crazily people were demanding him on Injustice. I won't see the same with MvCI and Winter Soldier.

Well, there you have some strong points. I stand corrected, I guess.

I'm going to assume the one that has been in blockbuster movies is more popular than one who's most mainstream exposure is videogames.

You're assuming wrong.

Step out of your comic book bubble Sup Forums.

So, he is more popular than Red Hood, he just isn't popular enough to sell more than Red Hood.

Understood.

You're welcome.

"B-but movies!" can only go so far. Look how Peter Quill, a "movie character", can't sell more than 6 issues. How is that "popular"?

Hell, wasn't Red Hood and Outlaws top 10 in trades this month too?

Bucky is popular because of the MCU but they can't handle him well in comics. Also generally people who liked Bucky in the movies have little to no interest in the comic books themselves.

Red Hood has become more popular with games and generally gamers tend to also have interest in comics as well so Jason Todd is becoming more popular and selling better as his popularity is tied with people who read the comics.

Bucky's popularity is mainly with fan girls who have never read a comic in their life. Same with Quicksilver from the X-men, mass popularity in tumblr and the like but has little traction because he is so vastly different in the comics.

It had six issues? I only remember reading the first one when it was storytimed here. When did the other five come out?

The last issue was published in April. The book was canceled due to terrible sales since day one.

>movie bucky appeals to casuals
>comic bucky is a literal who and his comics always fail
>jason todd has been part of some very popular comics (including the ones that anons hate)
>had a somewhat successful new 52 run and now has one of the best comics in rebirth
>batman

Batman who kills seems to appeal to a few as well as the whole angsty bullshit

Also the Mask is much more marketable than a metal arm, as the rest of Bucky's gear just looks generic as hell.

The estimate I can find for Civil War bluray sales is under 3mil (same chart didn't have Winter Soldier, cutoff around 2mil) while Arkham Knight broke 5mil, so this is actually not a gimmie. Also somewhat debatable if casuals would remember "Bucky" and "Jason" by name tbqh and not just "that bad guy in x"

What is Bucky doing right now in the comics? Does he know Cap is Hydra?

ded

"Dead"
He got strapped to a rocket.

Jason is connected to the Batman, Robin and Joker brands. Very few can compete with that.

>Pretty nice comic story
>One of the best animated movies of all time
>Attached to Bat-brand
>Video game feature (although shitty)
>Referenced in almost every DC show (from YJ to TTG)
>Corrects the one moral issue everyone has with Batman
>Design is slick as fuck
>One of the more relatable characters

It's not hard to see, user. Bucky was a literally who until his MCU movie came out.

What again?! You'd think writers would avoid killing Bucky or Jason again, if only to avoid writing an even worse version of their original deaths.

Red Hood was always more popular but he was B-list easily before the movie.

>no one cares about comics
>is on Sup Forums
Wew lad

It's very strange now that I think about it.

When you talk about which character had the better resurrection, then Bucky wins by a long shot. However when you talk about notable stories and runs then I think Jason definitely has him beat . How many Winter Soldier solo books have we had? (and I'm not including that one mini too.)

Hell the fact that Jason hasn't even been in a live action film yet but he still has so many fans is pretty impressive.

He will probably be back by the end of Secret Empire.

Red Hood has better costume.

The fact that he can remain popular after 6 years under Lobdell is more impressive.

Why? It's either that or movies if you want capeshit, unless you're into reading superhero literature. And don't get me wrong, I'm all for books, but your choices are either Sanderson, Martin, or McCrae. I'm not even gonna mention the weird tranny shit that spawned off of an X-Men fanfic on this board.

>I'm not even gonna mention the weird tranny shit that spawned off of an X-Men fanfic on this board.
I'm sorry, what?

I meant on a blue board. Although I wouldn't put it past Sup Forums to make a bunch of tranny superheroes.

I consider the BuckyCap era pretty good. After that, honestly, the last time I found him interesting was during Brubaker's Winter Soldier solo.

Well Red Hood and his bootleg trinity is significantly more interesting than Bucky leading a shitty Thunderbolt team with an annoying godlike loli, Never mind the fact that the Red Hood book have superior interior art. Bucky's team book was doomed to fail.

jason is more popular for 2 simple reasons

batfags. batman books ALWAYS sell, even batman C-list villains are popular

and he's punisher lite. normal fags think they're 2deep4u that an ex-robin wants to kill/opposite of his former bat boss

>no one cares about comics
You done fucked up kid, should've used a different word.

They really should've gone with Uniform Quill.

I'm not a super Sup Forums fags. But Red Hood got better design for me, that's why I know him more.
I'm just not a fan of exposed head on cape.

hes gonna be in the new batman movie along with matt damon as hush

I love Jason because he has a legitimate claim to his anger. His death was caused by his mentors fucking stupid moral code.

His anger come from letting the Joker go even after his death that results something like oracle and everything.
Probably

He's not really all that interesting in the movies. Also his hair is stupid.

The main issue is that even if a character is popular among normalfags, that doesn't actually mean that they're gonna read the comics.

Not anymore

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Wait what? There's new issue?

Extended preview

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>Bucky came back in a better story
Hhaha what? Fuck no.
>Written by a better writer
Now this is just bait.
>He became Captain America when Jason Todd became a jobber
See above.
>Was a key character in two extremely successful blockbuster
Winter Soldier was really good. Civil '''''''War'''''''' was shit and he was nothing more than a plot device.
Also Jason has Under the Red Hood animated, which is better than both WS movies.
>Jason Todd is more popular somehow.
-Had a solid death which changed Batman forever.
-Challenges Batman's debatable moral code.
-Great desing and character.
-Great dynamic with BatFam and Outlaws

Comparing Jason to literally a shitty rip-off of him is an insult.

I love Soy's version of Jason so goddamn much

that's not an issue

because he's better?

I go with this explanation

Jason is stubborn even metanarrativeky.

Fuuuuck i need to get back into comics, i stopped buying them when the Agent Venom solo ended. The last time i read his comics was like, Outlaws volume 1

>Bucky came back in a better story
UTRH is far more superior.

Also, Bucky is only liked by fangirls while Jason Todd is liked by both fanboys and fangirls. It's not hard to understand why he became more popular.

>UTRH
The movie is alright. The original story is trash. And if we are comparing movies, TWS is still better than UTRH.

>The movie is alright
It's legit one of the best superhero movies ever.

Also, UTRH movie was ABOUT Jason while WS was more about Steve and Bucky was just a plot device. Heck, many people asked who the heck is Bucky when CW trailers came out.

>no one cares about comics

>>Bucky came back in a better story
>Hhaha what? Fuck no.
>>Written by a better writer
>Now this is just bait.
>>He became Captain America when Jason Todd became a jobber
>See above.

What the fuck are you talking about user? Brubakers Captain America is so much better than Winick's Batman that it's not even funny.

Do you read comics?

Bucky is a popular character that Marvel has no idea how to pander. They either shoot him off into space with 0 interaction with characters people enjoy him with, written on some bizarre drug trip and falling in love with some rando blue oc, or they put him in a team book with a terrible artist that makes it hard to get past. People WANT to read Bucky but Marvel does everything in its power not to deliver a decent book for him.

And just as he's being built up into the main storyline again instead of sidelined, they "kill" him off for the majority of the event.

People who like Bucky like him in stories with other Cap characters.

>implying Winick is a better writer than Brubaker
>implying Winick is a good writer at all
I'm done with this board, its taste grows worse with each year.

>It's legit one of the best superhero movies ever.
It's mediocre sappy flick where the only good quality is voice acting.

Bucky got a bigger and more push from Marvel than Jason ever got from DC and this is a fact. DC actually almost destroyed him couple of times, but he was still able to become more popular.

Jason just has more appeal with fans than Bucky.