Who the fuck is Snoke?

Who the fuck is Snoke?

Sheev's autistic son

dead

Fuck this shit

Ummmm but the emperor had just as little explanation or screentime, looks like you are BTFO sweetie

According to rian johnson "the thing behind the thing". Actual quote by the way.

Where did he come from?

He dreams of sushi

He's just an ugly boi who loves gold

A dead, irrelevant, character.

...

Some guy

Sheev's autistic semen

That little kid Anakin sliced.

ask Kiri Hart

This movie has to be the shittiest writing I have ever seen, it was a 2 and a half hour toy commercial.

Why do you autistic fucks HAVE to have an answer. The guy was the heir to Sheev, who gives a fuck. No one cared where Sheev came from when OT came out, and it didn’t matter, but this level of autism and Lucas being a Jew caused the prequels to be made.

It doesn't matter. He never mattered. You were just too dumb to understand. TLJ is for smart people.

He did. Lore and hype fags put so much hope into this character when he's just another piece of the trend that is Star Wars villains that aren't Vader or prequel Sheev. JJ set him up to be a cheap poor man's Palpy and Rian wrote him as a cheap poor man's Palpy that dies. By the end of TLJ you know as much about Snoke as you did Sheev. He's an asshole shittalker who conquered the galaxy alongside the Skywalker he corrupted. This movie has bigger fucking issues than some worthless, hollow, generic character dying.

An old white male that gets defeated by a younger white male with the power of his mind (by "power" I mean accepting that diversity is good and that's why the rebels are the good guys). It represents the younger generations being more accepting and less bigoted than old people and defeating their old-fashioned and retrograde ideas.

Oh shut the fuck up Rian, it's too late now.

if he were one of the younglings that would be kinda funny

he an old super-powerful force-user

that DOES raise questions you cant just dismiss with 6 movies having taken place before him showing up.

Rian is Peak Brainlet

The reason people think handwaving Snoke is so moronic and lazy is that he was built up as the mechanism by which the status quo of the OT shifts conveniently to the nonsensical status quo of the ST, so people with brains larger than a peanut expected him to be fleshed out beyond “naked vacuous plot device”. Hope this hopes

voldemort is that you

My headcanon is that he's just a strong force user that got rich enough to finance a new empire. Sorta like the people in the casino only grand. All the chat about darkness etc. was just to fuel Kylo's edgeboner.

The Emperor was there from the start. Snoke is like if there were suddenly a fourth LOTR book and there was an even bigger and badder villain that for some reason no one had mentioned during the previous books

Where did he go?

Well you see, he’s
>gets killed before he can set up anything

No he wasn't. That's just what people hoped he would be. TFA sets him up as literally just Sheev but he might be a giant. He's presented as the same character in that movie but with a tad bit more screen time. He's in 3 minutes of footage in a 2 hour movie. And it's more or less the same fucking scene as the Palpatine/Vader scene from Empire. Right down Snoke and Palpatine both warning their students about family.

Is Snoke human?

His head looked kinda big compared to Reys.

The Emporer was clearly human but this snork guy is like a giant? He was in Rogue One or whatever one I saw.

A poorly written plot device.

I love this tired excuse that seems to pop up everywhere but especially YouTube and here.

We didn't know the backstory for Sheev in ESB but we were fine with it because it was episode V, that is to say we were in the middle of a story. We acknowledged that fact when the opening text crawl of ANH explains that we are witnessing an event in the middle of a war and reinforced when the text crawl in ESB calls itself episode V.

We didn't need to know how Palpatine took control or who he was because his presumed story arc was already over. We could speculate and dream up any imagined story that we liked but there was no need to explain who he was because we knew who he bacame.

Snoke has no such luxury, he shows up 7 films into the storyline and he is bigger and badder than anything we had seen. He was basically "Bigger Sheev" and he had shown up out of nowhere from a storytelling perspective. We see no hint or foreshadowing for his arrival, he's simply here and he's somehow just unimaginably more powerful and influential than any John Doe should be. Some kind of explanation would be expected, how did he rise to power so quickly? How did he become so powerful in the force without being detected? He couldn't be a proper Sith, there were only two...or were there? Maybe he predated Sheev and Yoda, etc.? Maybe he was a familiar face that had been warped by power and evil? Any explanation would have been welcome, the only answer that would have been unwelcome was no answer at all... and that's what we got.

You say you don't care. You say it doesn't matter. You're just happy seeing pewpew lasers, golly gee witty quips and "epic" silent scenes. That's fine, gobble up your corporate-driven focus-grouped drivel but just understand that some of us are actually fans of interesting stories, lore-building, etc. Fantasy is all about building a cast of fleshed out creative characters and settings, it's a sin to write a character as just "some guy."

Umm, no sweetie, Snoke is set up as the big bad who led the First Order to dominance AND seduced Ben Solo away from Luke. Those of us who aren’t retarded thought this would be expanded on beyond “lazy plot device” and fleshed out, given that we’re meant to accept radical departures from the status quo established in the beloved originals

Instead we got Nu-Male Johnson’s “the thing behind the thing” handwave and audiences rightfully hated it. Search your feelings, shill - it’s not that complicated

>mentioned once in ANH
>30 second shit scene in ESB
>10 minutes maybe in ROTJ and dies
>the EMPRUR is diffierant!!!!!1

tl;dr nice dubs tho loser
Ummmm you are BTFO sweetie nice dubs though drumpfling

Half the man he used to be

Your Snoke theory SUCKS

Turn your brain off NERD SW isn't for you anymore

The Force is FEMALE, get OVER IT

You mean Melkor right?

nu wars has the depth of a puddle, time to move on from such hot garbage

>tl;dr

Ah yes, the mating call of the failure. I'm sorry my post turned your anus inside out, maybe there is a cream you can apply?

>t.

Some dumb cunt. I really wish they had explained something about him. I give the Emperor gets a pass on his lack of origin in the movies since you could infer he was just an evil guy who had been working at being in charge for years, and eventually the prequels confirmed that was basically true. But Snoke's simple existence opens a ton of questions. How and why did this evil Sith monster appear in the time after the Empire, how did he influence Kylo Ren, what are his goals other than being an evil ruler, how did he come to be in charge of the First Order anyway? I kinda like that Kylo Ren just decided to kill his ass, that was one of the few twists that was actually interesting, but it doesn't explain any of these questions. I understand the entire premise of his character is retarded but you could at least try to make him a little interesting or at least answer some of these questions.

what fucking kind of name is that even

snokes death. confused fans think he was a wasted character b/c they still see tlj as a star wars movie. but if you look at tlj as teenage girl masturbatory fanfic, then snokes character makes perfect sense. his only purpose was to die at the hands of kylo so we see how powerful our bad (but not really bad) love interest is and how far hes willing ot go to choose our stronk female lead over evil when push comes to shove. think twilight. think angel/buffy. think xena/ares.
whos fucking who? thats what star wars is now. whsos fucking who? dont like it? hang up your robes and retire your lightsabers with the rest if the eufags. whos fucking who? is kylo fucking rey? whos fucking who? is rey fucking finn? whos fucking who? is finn fucking poe? whos fucking who? oh look a black guy is going to be fucking some asian. whos fucking who? the purple hair chick is lez so shell be fucking other chicks. whos fucking who? whos fucking who? whos fucking who?
have fun!

Does anyone have the star wars all female ceo pic?

The emperor had 3 full movies of set up that people knew would come as eventual prequels to flesh out his character, retard. Snoke doesn't have that luxury.

>that pic

>dey new the prquels would come dey new he wud be explained!!!!!!!!
>t. ultimate brainlet

>dur the original trilogy comitted the same mistake so its okay for us to do it again instead of learning from it
I love this fucking fallacy so much. Its so funny to see people defend a whole of pile of nothing out of purely political reasons or mindless fanboysm.

cotton eye Joe?

The Emperor doesn't really need a back story because he is built up as the ultimate evil throughout the series, in the OT and the Prequels. The thing is you can only really have one ultimate evil, Snoke showing a few years after he died and turning out to be just as if not more evil and powerful makes no sense. It's like if some one spends 3 movies trying to defeat the Devil but then in the 4th movie the ultra-Devil shows up and is even more evil and stronger.

>yfw you read the lyrics to this song and its about a dude running around cucking everyone.

Darth maul says hi

Acorrding to JJ it's not important becouse we don't learn who Emperror is either in the original trilogy

Hi.

So who is Snoke?

I didn't say it was a flaw. We know what we need to know about Snoke and the Emperor. They're both evil guys who just love being evil.

Nobody knows, nobody cares

>Entire galaxy
>Everyone must be related to everyone

>defending under-developed bad guys that are just evil for evil sake.
Brainlet detected.

>t. darth blowjob-giver

kek

Star Wars isn't high art. Sometimes a villain just being a villain with minor twinges of development are all you need.

A fucking plot device that failed horribly, because JJ Fuckwit can't even be bothered to write a genuine story.

Think about this. We let the guy who directed Lost direct Star Wars, and we thought it was going to be f-ing awesome. Luke, Leia, everyone was coming back. But we missed the key part, this is the guy who directed LOST. THAT LOST. The one TV series that literally lost the plot and was a gigantic practical joke by JJ and literally ended up having 30 million plotholes and useless unexplained plotlines for an ending that was basically tl;dr they're all in purgatory. (Save yourself, see that spoiler). But the truth is that frankly this guy is going to end up completely screwing up the 9th one I guarantee it. Screencap this shit if you don't believe me. TLJ was garbage because JJ and Rian can't write a decent plot for shit and he can't come up with a decent conclusion to all the shit he writes. XI is going to be garbage because it's directed and written by JJ-I-LOST-THE-PLOT-Abrams. Watch the fucking new ones if you doubt me, George Lucas selling Star Wars was probablly the biggest sell-out in history.

>implying there isn't anything wrong with it.

You don't need to be high art to have a decent villain. I didn't even like Homecoming that much, but I thought the Vulture was the best part in it. And even though Ego the Living Planet was pure fucking evil, his motivation and backstory for his character.

*his motivation and backstory made sense for his character.

Exactly.

>led the first order to nearly exterminate the rebellion
>oversaw creation of starkiller base
>corrupted kylo ren
>baited Rey across the galaxy with force mind gambit shit

Don't worry, with infinite Star Wars movies to come I'm sure we'll get more on Snoke's backstory eventually if you really give a shit. In the meantime he has a perfectly respectable villainous résumé.

>were fine with it because it was episode V, that is to say we were in the middle of a story
If simply changing the numbering of this current trilogy from 7-9 to 10-12 would fix this problem of yours, it seems like a stupid problem to me.

>he shows up 7 films into the storyline and he is bigger and badder than anything we had seen...just unimaginably more powerful
Are you seriously saying that because he used a large hologram, this means he was implied to be some incredibly powerful being? Or is there some in-universe indication that he's insanely powerful?

He only had 8 fingers ya silly badilly

> How and why did this evil Sith monster appear in the time after the Empire
>how did he come to be in charge of the First Order anyway?
If you watch TLJ, you see the sort of tactics he uses. You can speculate from these how he rose to power, and perhaps become interested in eventually seeing that story (you KNOW they're gonna make a comic or something).

>how did he influence Kylo Ren
You explicitly see this in TLJ. Much of the movie is about how Snoke has been manipulating Kylo and now Rey.

>what are his goals other than being an evil ruler
This is also explicitly addressed in TLJ. He wants to stamp out the last remnants of hope in the galaxy to make the dark side imba. This is more than we got from Vader/Sheev in OT, isn't it?

This is the dumbest fucking reasoning I've ever read. We're going to get tv shows, novels, video games, comics, and filler movies that fucking exhaustively detail how the first order came to be and Snoke's origin. He absolutely has that luxury. Sheev Palpatine did not, there was no indication the prequels would ever actually happen and that the numbering scheme wasn't just a storytelling technique.

He is Cylo

>Cylo was a humanoid male doctor who cybernetically enhanced himself into an immortal system capable of assuming another body when the previous one died. A scientist who believed that evolution was only possible for the universe if organic species were upgraded with cybernetics

All of the force powers that were shown by Snoke (Him in god knows what fucking numbered body) were actually the result of a fuck ton of augmentation that allowed him to replicate certain aspects of the force, this is why he was blind sided by a true force user as he didn't actually have precognition.

I mean you need to read nu-EU shit for anything to really make sense (and even then it's kind of bullshit) but that's the case for everything in these new movies.

He looks like a used condom in human form.

It's pretty universal in fantasy. The idea is the audience can take their own idea of evil and map it onto the work. If Snoke had some explicit goal like "repeal and replace Vader-care" then it would narrow his scope. You should be able to project either Trump or HRC onto Snoke depending on your affiliation, is what I'm saying.

Literally no idea, but one thing that confuses me about Snoke is how he looks and talks drastically different in TLJ compared his appearance in TFA. TLJ takes place right after TFA, yet now Snoke somehow looks younger and less scarred, talks faster and with a healthier voice, and wears a golden robe and giant black ring that was obviously not present in TFA.

On an off topic note, why did Luke look younger in his force hologram thing? And have his blue lightsaber of all things? That whole segment just made no sense.

>villain should be whoever I disagree with irl
really gets my jog nogging.

I wouldn't consider somebody evil irl due to any disagreement. But if they thought it was okay to say, kill infants by raping them, then our disagreement over that issue would lead me to believe they were evil, yes.

I'm not sure what you were trying to communicate with your clever little post...

>it's a sin to write a character as just "some guy."
But literally everyone in the NuWars is "Some guy"

Finn was just "Some Stormtrooper"
Poe was just "some guy" who got actively shat upon for acting like a big dumb action hero
Rey's entire fucking story arc hinges on her being just "Some guy"

Literally the only person in the whole story with ties to the past is Kylo Ren, and those ties are what actively fucked him up. That's the whole point.
It makes perfect sense for Snoke to be "Some guy", because the main themes of the new trilogy are about forging a new future and actively avoiding making the same mistakes as the past. Killing off the new guy who was actively trying to perpetuate the same cycle again fits perfectly into the kind of story the new trilogy, and TLJ in particular is trying to tell.

Rouge 2 will answer this but also leave more questions

Cancer survivor from Snoking too much.

> The idea is the audience can take their own idea of evil and map it onto the work.
Except that didn't quite work with him, did he?

That's a story for another time.

>It makes perfect sense for Snoke to be "Some guy", because the main themes of the new trilogy are about forging a new future and actively avoiding making the same mistakes as the past.
I have to wonder when this trilogy is over and they repeat the same shit again, are you going to look with egg on your face?

Agreed, but note that this is not something unique to NuWars. Lando and Han are just dudes who get swept up into a bigger conflict and emerge as heroes. Rey has virtually the exact same origin story as Anakin.

You're absolutely right. Snoke not having a backstory is actually true Kino...

Are you saying it didn't work for you? Why is that?

he has six movies of buildup and character development
Snoke had nothing

>sauron wasn't a compelling villain until you read silmarillion

Some dead white male. Irrelevant.

Jar Jar

It's 1983. You and numerous other star wars fans will have long since been dead before three shitty movies his backstory come out. As the post you're responding to indicates, he has literally a handful of seconds of development before he becomes the OT's arch baddie. Where the fuck do you get off claiming that Sheev had six movies of buildup and character development?

>six movies of buildup
He doesnt have six movies of buildup you absolutely braindead reject. The prequels didn't come out for 20 years since his character was introduced

The Emperor didn't really need an explanation though, because the Rebels were fighting against an Empire that had seemingly been in charge for some time by the time A New Hope transpired.

Meanwhile, we as an audience are keenly aware that Snoke and the First Order rose in the absence of the Empire, and it warrants some explanation how they managed to do so in the presence of the new Republic.

>take off that silly mask ;)
>I can see your mind user
>I know you won't betray me

last baddie was Emperor Palpatine

>Lets call the new guy Snork.

Time will tell, of course.
I for one have zero faith in JJ for the next movie.
But trying to break from tradition and "Destiny" and actively fighting against the cliches and tropes built up over the past 30 years of Star Wars was a central theme to TLJ, for sure.

>Rey has virtually the exact same origin story as Anakin.
Only on the surface.
Anakin was always destined for great things, even since the very earliest moments of his life.
Rey, very pointedly, was not.

JJ Abrams wasn't the problem. He set the story up with The Force Awakens, and Rian Johnson had free reign to use those pieces as he wished. Rian Johnson could have explained Snoke, and he didn't.

>Meanwhile, we as an audience are keenly aware that Snoke and the First Order rose in the absence of the Empire, and it warrants some explanation how they managed to do so in the presence of the new Republic.
I don't disagree that it's a story that warrants telling, but I disagree that it is the responsibility of episodes 7-9 to tell it. I fail to see a substantive difference between throwing us into the status quo in 4 vs doing roughly the same thing in 7. Either way, I would blame it more on 7's opening crawl not providing better context than on anything in 8.