What are the biggest mistakes with the new Star Wars trilogy?

What are the biggest mistakes with the new Star Wars trilogy?

The whole First Order vs Resistance thing doesn't make sense. How the fuck did a paramilitar group beat the New Republic to the point they had to become the resistance? Honestly, they deserve what they got for their incompetence.

Having nothing to do the the prequels. There. I said it.

cool concept art to be honest

(so, anakin was a skeleton all along? Now I understand the meaning of the skeleton appearing at the end of rotj)

Having no master plan.

New Republic disbanded its army

pandering to an audience rather than making a quality product

because their female leaders decided to disband the army so there could never be a war again.

really makes you think.

>disbanding your military right after winning a brutal civil war that saw entire planets destroyed
What did they mean by this?

They needed to be a clean break from everything that had come before. Those stories are finished; the character arcs are over. This trilogy should have been a brand new set of characters and environments, completely independent from all that has come before. It would allow these movies breathe, but importantly it'd ensure that these new stories don't undermine the older films; films that people love and cherish. The exact opposite happened with TFA. The film's entire purpose being to hit people over and over with waves of nostalgia. You still get people defending TFA and saying that it "needed" to be that way. That's bullshit. Then Johnson came along with TLJ. No one at Disney even seemed check if the film worked as a sequel to TFA, which it obviously didn't. Johnson still tapped heavily into nostalgia, but he at least wanted to give the appearance that his movie is different. So now, 2/3s into this 'trilogy' you've got two filmmakers (with the first one coming back to direct the third!) that have completely different concepts of what these movies are supposed to be. Entire narrative threads are cut short or thrown out all together between films. Ridiculous decisions are made as a substitute for real creativity, and the entire project is being run by a micromanaging cut-throat who's already fired 3 directors in her short term as the one presiding over these stories. Obviously there's a lot more but I think these are the broadest problems.

Pandering to focus groups.

>New Republic
>became the Resistance
How to spot people who have no idea what they're talking about.

This. No wonder these brainlets hate these films when they don't even understand the most basic things about the plot.

Existing

There's no way what you describe would make any money.

Peace maaaan

What don't they understand about the plot?

not true, in the Force Awakens they mentioned the Republic fleet and it's subsequent loss.

And btw OP's picture is a fake leak created to hide the enventual real one.

rey and kylo ren havent fucked yet

They're saying The New Republic became The Resistance.

no white male heroes, in fact no positive role models for anyone except for white females.

It would make money. Just not as much. If you're going to prioritise money over ambition and creativity then you're destined to make mediocre movies forever.

imagine being this much of a brainlet

*inhales*

Imagine being this much of an oblivious fuck

that the force awakens literally is just a new hope

it all could have stood for itself i they tried to be more honest to creating something new that connects to the old movies but not immitates them.

imagine being such a baby that you don't watch the movie and have a completely uninformed opinion about its content based on maymays

What are you muttering about, virgin?

First order is lame. Would have been better with a new interesting villian.

This is a good post

The galaxy would be at peace without the evil white males trying to bring back the empire

Filming it.

Uuuuuuh, sorry sweetie, but after the capital of the new republic and all governing bodies of that republic were destroyed by the first order's deus ex machina of a laser and left Leia as the surviving member with the highest authority of that government. When she created the resistance, and the government collapsed, the resistance became the paramilitary and lose alliance governing body of the rest of the galaxy that was not already under the first order's control. Try again

Never explained in any movie.

Where's Coruscant by the way? Where's the senate of the New Republic? Not on Coruscant? On which planet, then? Was the core planets of the republic the one destroyed in TFA? If yes, why isn't it explained in the movie?

Come on. It's only a shot with "Badalabada, Capital of the New Republic", it's not hard. Just pretend to care, if you can't really care.

Also, why would the New Republic, born from turmoils, empire, and rebellions, disband its army?

It is so intellectually lazy. They just wanted a rehash of rebellion versus empire, but they didn't care even one bit for internal consistency.

>make a trilogy
>don't write whole plot in advance
>every director does whatever he wants
How stupid you have to be to do that?

>first movie is a remake with worse actors
>second movie is a piece of shit that undoes the previous movie so they cancel each other
>third movie will be a mix of the previous two
Good night Star Wars, we'll always have the OT

Woman level stupid

It literally did though.

it's disney. you can be sure there are 20 ghost writers behind every movie

Anyone who thinks the mouse doesn't have the basic planned out in advance is just retarded. Also anyone who believes when they say they want to end the Skywalker line, specially when the best actor this dumb franchise has is the last Skywalker-Solo. Give it 10 years and they'll come back to it

Who tf wants to see future solo Finn-Rey-Poe adventures? Shit is boring as fuck and Disney knows that

looking into her eyes, you just know she's evil

Which was never explained in the film. Nice job, feminists!

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I still think they can flip the script by the third movie.

Make the resistance basically ISIS. Supreme leader Snook the consensus builder is beloved by the people. Those were hospital ships the resistance crashed into. I dunno. Star Wars is shit.

The Virgin Producer vs. The Chad Kinosmith

It's the same as when some literal WHO woman got given the Halo franchise and no one knew what the fuck was going on in Halo 4 & Halo 5 cause you had to read XYZ comics and books to have known when certain events happened

They choose the laziest director and writer to start the series off. JJ has never had a complete thought before starting his projects, much less a planned out storyline before releasing his first installments. It worked for Lost because people thought surely no one could be so inconceivably anticlimactic with all the random elements he threw into the show. But he was because he never had a plan and never had any actual intention through out his projects. And it shows. In the end it always shows and all the non paid shills are going to be irrefutably btfo when they don't have the "next episode it will prove you wrong and me right" copout/excuse

That throne room scene is basically sex tho

Rey will be revealed to be pregnant with Ben's babby next movie screencap this

You're dumber than Kathleen Kennedy. You would fit right in with other Disney execs.

but somehow a Republic with thousands of planets and trillions of citizens can't come up with any forces? They make these movies take place in a retard vacuum

>new order -makes no sense
>republic makes no sense
>TFA crypto reboot with mystery boxes that are completely ignored. .
>Rey =Mary sue that uses jedi mind tricks with no training
>snoke was a shit character from the start- his orgin could of been interesting, but fuck it
>thousands of plants and trillions of people, but the resistance is like 30 people now
>new mega death star
>weaponized light speed
>even more black and whtie - good/bad guy relationship
>characters forced into the story because of muh diversity. Write the character first.
>story is regressive mess, they talk about bold directions but everything is recycled trash.
>Star wars universe has nothing interesting going on to think about
>no cool new ships
>no cool new aliens.
>shit quip humor.
>plot holes.

Keep sucking GL's cock then.

Hyperspace ram destroying entire fleets.

Just think about it. It basically invalidates ALL the Star Wars movies since they could have been solved by sending ships at light speed towards the Death Star and even against other planets.

Why even build the Death Star when you can send a couple of ships against a planet to fuck it up?

This may not be the biggest mistake but the one that bothers me the most is the Music, so far it has been lackluster with the new movies relying mostly on themes and medleys from the other films.
Shit even the clone wars movie had better music.

Nope. Rey is gonna end up with Poe or Finn and Kylo is having a kid with a nobody. Their kids are gonna end up together. It's always the same shit.

>Liking a movie
>Being called a shill for it

At least sure beats feeling miserable over daddy Luke not force-wrecking the entire FO or something.

>still mentioning Lost as if that's really an argument when the story group has a lot of influence over JJ's work. Do you really think frigid control freak KK would let this shit go plotless? Lmao

>the first femoid lead ending up with the black comic relief with childbearing hips or with the Latino manlet
>ignoring the blatant sexual tension with the white male lead which is the only good character this ST has come up with

Did we even watch the same movie?

Sorry, I'm not a shipperfag. You just want your favorite characters to fuck. Are you a girl?

First they played it too safe. Then they didn't play safe enough. Worst of both worlds.

It doesn't invalidate anything? No one needed to take such drastic measures in the past since they had other weapons at their disposal. The Death Stars had shields too, once deactivated the pilots didn't need to blow themselves up since they could shoot at it/escape through hyperspace (now he have hyperspace tracking which actually feels very similar to BSG's first episode).

Irl kamikaze pilots weren't a thing until the Japs did it and even so it's not like you see that frequently with dogfights. I guess not everyone wants to be the first to sacrifice themselves. Shocking.

uhm, sweetie, Star Wars is totally about good guys vs evil empire

This.

It's absurd. At the same time that they were going for an off-shoot of the empire, they area much stronger and destroying whole planets with something much bigger than a Death Star.

Kylo and Rey not twins

Rey not undergoing Jedi training

Han and Luke being losers and both dead

Luke disappearing to whatever planet he went to

Kylo Ren is not intimidating

Kylo losing to Rey

First order being run by two incompetent villains

The extreme left political slant

All the women reprimanding the men and making the men retarded

Diversity on the good guys side with no white men but evil side is 99% white men

Dumb plot holes like hyperspace ramming

Dumb feminist characters

Every heroic character has to be femLe

no barefoot females

>not wanting to watch Jewish propaganda where the monkey gets the white girl
>must be a girl

Enjoy watching Tyrone filling up your future gfs taint

Bruh they're 10 years apart. You wanted Leia to have a 120 month pregnancy? Too hung up on Jacen and Jaina still. Dude's also getting a redemption arc, he's clearly the protagonist in this one.

Kylo Ren is great, he's not supposed to be intimidating and I'm glad Rey is a nobody. Tired of you faggots crying over dumb shit, she's not even a good character anyway who gives a fuck.

Them being twins adds emotional weight to the story. Star Wars has always been about dysfunctional families.

>white male
>protagonist

I will bet you a million dollars Kylo gets killed off and nobody in the story will care because it’s another white male dead.

>Villain of an evil fascist regime
>Not supposed to be intimidating

Kill yourself. The First Order sucks and is not a culture of fear like the Empire. If the surrounding underlings laughed at Grand Moff Tarkin they’d all be executed.

Finally Sup Forums agrees with the sjws on this one. One side hated the movie because it's leftist propaganda and the other hates the movie because the minorities are painted in a bad light and it's sexist/racist and whatever the fuck they want to invent next. No side knows what's a plot hole apparently.

Best example of horseshoe theory right here.

He's not supposed to be intimidating to the audience, I know it's hard for you to understand with your brainlet mind but that's how it is. That's who you create sympathy for a character, it's basic writing. Hux is the only person in the FO who isn't intimidated by him and that's because he's a little bitch who has always hated him probably and he gets forcechoked and slapped around for it.

>durr it's not like the past

Cry more baby.

Do you really think they're going to kill the only link to the Skywalkers with no chance to return to it in the future? He's gotta have a kid at least before dying.

>Them being twins adds emotional weight to the story.
Dull rehash of luke and leia.

He's not intimidating to anyone. The very first scene he's in has a smart ass resistance pilot cracking wise because he doesn't take him seriously even after Ren kills a town full of innocents. He's thought of as a total joke by pretty much everyone.

Fucking this. Rightfully complaining about Mary Sues but then they want the bad guy to be a one-dimensional villain.

That says more about Poe than Ren to be honest.

>this guy just murdered a town
>better crack jokes hehe

Rey is a Mary Sue, but some of these fanboys really are just impossible to please.

>who gives a fuck if main character is shit?

Are you legit retarded?

Allowing JJ to make a soft reboot of New Hope.

>he legitimately thinks giving Rey Skywalker blood would make her less of a garbage character

I'm glad you're not writing anything. There is no salvaging her at this point, it would just be a weak attempt to satiate fanboy rage.

No. Stop right there.

They had no plan for this story. Ergo trying to portray Kylo sympathetically is FUCKING. DUMB.

It’s basic writing to have a plan. Portraying Kylo sympathetically while “winging it” has been a failure. Kill yourself.

>That says more about Poe than Ren to be honest.
It completely undermines any threat Ren supposedly poses. His enemies don't take him seriously even when they are completely at his mercy. The exact same thing happens later when Rey flips the tables on Ren in the interrogation room.

Every single time he's in a position of power, there's another character there to knock him down a peg.

That's retarded but they still had Luke, didn't they? Why didn't Luke beat the shit out of the First Order?

He's been portrayed sympathetically since almost every scene in TFA, not my fault you turn your brain off to things that go against your preconceived baby rage complaints.

Did you see The Last Jedi? Because it was a movie without any real plot direction or world building. Nothing has been explained about the world of the previous film.

Where did the First Order come from? How powerful is it exactly? What's at stake?

Who is Snoke?

How powerful is the Resistance?

Who is Rey? Why is she so powerful? Why is she the main character?

All we kind of got was an explanation of why Kylo Ren is evil. And even then only sort of.

It very much seems like the most the director got was vague post-it notes and otherwise did his own thing.

He's not supposed to be intimidating to the audience can you read what I just typed? The FO are intimidated by him, except for Hux and Snoke. The latter is dead and Hux gets bitchslapped daily.

That it is 100 times better than the original trilogy and hipsters and fanboys are not ready for it

The New Republic was composed of Two political parties: The Populists and Centrists. The Populists were like Libertarians: they wanted planets to govern themselves. The Centrists wanted more of a centralized military due to lawlessness in space.

The First Order was a secret separate militia funded by some of the centrists (who wants the Empire back). Leia knew about them, but her reputation was tarnished when it was revealed to the Senate that she was Vader's daughter. So she had to form the Resistance on her own without the New Republic's backing.

This. The whole conflict is flawed at a deeply fundamental level.

The empire was established by usurping the previously existing power and resources that had taken thousands of years to create.

Now the First Order just shows up and is an intergalactic threat able to challenge the republic in a mere 30'ish years? It's fucking stupid and whoever came up with it should be publicly shamed.

Who says you need to be on the ship to get it to hyperspace?
It is easily conceivable that some clever weapons engineer (which, judging by the wealth weapons dealers have accumulated, must have been plentiful and well-funded) would have developed a hyperspace torpedo working on the same principle.

>Kylo and Rey are so powerful in the ways of the Force that Kylo impregnates her through the Force itself, immaculate conception style

>Original trilogy
>Good actors
One and only one my friend

>murder old man
>stop blasters midair
>slaughter a village
>kill his father

Dude, Vader in IV didn't kill anyone onscreen other than Obi who let him and just faded away. Kylo was never supposed to be likeable.

>What are the biggest mistakes with the new Star Wars trilogy?

kek

What was the point of showing fluids can be transferred though, unironially?

Sounds like allot of info that the movies failed to convey. If it requires you to do research on the internet to understand core events like "It was revealed that Leia was vaders daughter and thus she was shamed" then its terrible writing.

Fine, why wasn't this explained in the fucking movie. I honestly don't understand how they can just gloss over basic explanations like this and all the retards just accept it and think it's a good movie.

>The FO are intimidated by him
There is absolutely no evidence of this whatsoever. He hardly interacts with them on screen. The few times we do see him with regular soldiers are when he's throwing a tantrum. In these scenes, they are less intimidated and more simply aware that their superior is prone to killing people in fits of purile rage. It's basic survival instinct, but not any real respect for the danger he represents.

Regardless, it's irrelevant how those under his command see him. They aren't opposing him. His enemies demonstrably do not view him as a credible threat. And this colors every single encounter they have with them in a way that drastically undercuts any sense of tension.

You are dumb as shit. Not explaining why she's so perfect and amazing is completely retarded. Make her Luke's former student who survived the academy massacre and got her memories wiped to hide her from Snoke.

Or whatever. People get millions for writing those fucking scripts so write a good one for Christ's sake.

I know you're a brainlet and it's hard for you to understand but likable and sympathetic are two very different things. He's been shown to be conflicted since TFA and the audience is shown his reasons for being the way he is.

>The FO are intimidated by him

Remember when stormtroopers ignored his orders?

They are afraid of him face to face since he's a retarded baby with dark side tantrums. I bet 99% of FO wants that idiot gone.