What exactly did they do that was so bad?

What exactly did they do that was so bad?

Palpatine was in power as emperor for like 20 years by the time Episode 4 starts and things seemed to be pretty stable in the universe if you weren't a rebel

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Alderon
Purged the Jedi (including children)
Wiped out history and replaced it with lies/propaganda

That's a short list but some heavy hitters

Alderon was 20 years after the empire formed

The jedi were offically traitors and had nothing to do with the running of the state

They wiped out history according to the propaganda of the rebels who were technically terrorists, meanwhile decent people just living their lives were enjoying the security of the empire as well as stable economies, etc

>civilizational stability
maybe, but the LBGQTXYZ community was not celebrated, and "safe-spaces" were becoming less common

even the younglings!?

They went around saying "surrender your planet or we'll blow it up". And then they did blow it up

They were like Hitler times 100

alderaan had it comming they shouldnt have been promoting the rebel alliance. honestly though they should have blown up mon calamari and save themselves trouble

Red'nar Ah'knu Ulbek couldnt legally change xirs gender for the fourth time

>Another "Empire did nothing wrong" thread
Would you fuck off? The Empire is never, NEVER ONCE portayed in a positive light in the films. Every time we see them, they are either blowing up planets or trying to go back to the position where they could blow up planets. Everything else is pure conjecture on your part.

Alderon was obviously channeling resources, weapons, and funds through to the rebellion.

It was a planet of arms traffickers funding terrorists

>purged the jedi
so? Palpatine was very right in that to have a real understanding of the force, you can't view it dogmatically like the Jedi. You must approach it with an open mind. The jedi were literally no different than the Empire and they tried oppressing the CIS - confederacy of INDEPENDENT systems.

>Wiped out history
everyone does this

THEY BLEW UP A PLANET

UHH.. HELLO!?

name ONE planet Hitler blew up, just one

Wiping out Alderaan is a pretty huge deal and the promise of more to follow sure didn't help.

Imagine if you couldn't vote in your representatives anymore, lived under a police state, and New York or Houston got nuked due to suspicions it was a rebel hotbed.

How else are you supposed to project power and authority throughout an expanse as large as a galaxy?

>h-hey g-guys, d-don't rebel or refuse t-to follow our laws, o-our we'll be upset!

After any massive paradigm shift, you need to use fear and oppression for a generation or two before the next generations just grow up accustomed to your rules and laws rather than sperging to restore something previous.

>You must approach it with an open mind
In this video - Palpatine approaching the Force with an open mind
youtu.be/PqaiKmm8gsY?t=61

Imagine if the US blew up Syria to destroy ISIS.... yeah your argument is shit.

>Revised history
Kind of like how Nelson Mandela was a hero and not a terrorist who bombed people?

but to destroy isis the US would have to blow up the US

You type like a girl. Isn't it amazing I can just sense it?

Regardless, we're talking about a GALAXY. They use planets to dump junk like giant landfills. Blowing up one (1) planet is the same as doing a drone bombing on some dirt village in terms of scale.

>that image

The movie needs to literally tell you they are evil because what they showed would’ve been justifiable if the Empire was called the Alliance or some shit

the US has thousands of nukes enough to destroy the world, just like the empire has the death star

the empire only used the death star ONCE, just like the US has only used nukes once

maybe the truth lies in the middle?

If you want to talk genuine politics, after a revolution, there will be a lot of moral gray areas. You HAVE to do a show of force because there will be large portions of your new territory that wasn't a previous ruler installed or previous way of life. You have to scare them so they don't act up.

You also have to silence and put away political opponents and political threats. After a generation or two, people forget and new children are born into this system as opposed to being from another system forced into your new regime. They'll be less rebellious and just take it as normal. That's when you can be a regular good guy again.

People don't like REAL politics because it gets very dark

**wants a previous ruler

>you need to use fear and oppression

Yeah. Doesn't sound evil at all.

are you a child? If you didn't have a little walnut brain you'd realize in the realms of high politics, it's deadly, competitive, and morally ambigious

reminder in a galaxy of trillion there were only like 400 rebels, oops i mean resistance, left.
Everyone loved the empire, oops i mean the first order in last jedi,

in a galaxy of trillion upon trillions of sentient beings it is equivalent of like a family of people trying to destroy the order of the world relative to us if there were only 250? 400? rebels left in the last jedi.

Man, the First Order must be soooo evil that only a few hundred people are rebelling

How big is the First Order anyway? Apparently, big enough to hollow out a planet, but in TLJ it's like a token force.

>New York or Houston got nuked

I could support this regime

I've said before the whole problem with these films is that the "rebellion" isn't actually any kind of downtrodden underclass. They're almost all royals and politicians who are just bitter at being sidelined. Why do you think the average man on the street had no issues dreaming of joining the Imperial Academy?

exactly, the way it was framed in the last jedi it is retarded.so evil that only 0.000000000000000000001% of the population is dissatisfied,

the resistance is potrayed as a bunch of deranged suicidal greenpeace terrorists in the flick

reminder in the OT in a new hope, luke was prepared to enlist for the academy, he had zero problems with the empire initially

I mean a group of guys with a weapon call the Death Star definitely did something’s wrong.

Only on this site would I see people saying that the huge tyrannical empire run by a black cloaked wizard that looks like the devil and gets his powers from hate, fear, anger, and all that stuff isn't actually evil at all

blowing up alderaan is the equivalent of blowing up nagasaki but even less, because in this case the rebels are even smaller in comparison, desu its more like using a moab on a taliban controlled village

reddit is idyllic to the point of being too much of an obnoxious purist

Sup Forums is fully realistic with how the world works. Very often, people just write villains as realistic people who don't wear a mask of PR to cover their actions.

Maybe stop trying to project power and authority you bootlicking fuck

If that were the case, there would need to be no gross display of military power like the death star. We've been shown that spice smuggling cartels like Jabba's had a considerable amount of power and that living conditions were less than ideal (Luke and his uncle and aunt struggling to survive by farming moisture).

Resistance to the Empire is based on the flawed premise that a room full of mediocre individuals in almost perpetual disagreement with each other can run things more efficiently and effectively than an individual with cognitive super powers. The fact the Emperor was able to ever rise to power in the first place is a testament to the inferiority and failure of the democratic process. It's important to recognize that it's not just a failure in that moment. The Emperor's ascent was just a final death blow to a weakening of the process that had been going on for generations. Even worse, the Emperor was a blatant and objective consequence, but how many flawed and inefficient outcomes resulted from the democratic process that went unnoticed? How many stupid policies came about due to idiots thinking consensus meant correctness? The Emperor himself however was a failure, but an Empire and an Emperor are inevitable because the exceptional minority will always exceed in performance the average and inferior majority. Exceptional people will come and go, but there will be a vacuum that one of those exceptional people will eventually fill and eventually one of them will not be defeated in their lifetime. Weak Democracies give rise to Emperors. Weak Emperors give rise to rebellions which give rise to new governments.

t.Liberal soyboy

thinking the evil wizard in the tower wasnt in the right form the beginning
fuck off newfag

You have to establish yourself as a monopoly of force and power if you're going to be seen not only as the sole military power but also the sole helping power whenever there are civil conflicts or terrorists.

are you really arguing in favor of an oppressive regime?

The scary shit here is that that sentence actually makes sense, The whole fucking galaxy is full of loads of fucking planets, and one of them is the hq of the rebels

I would love for New York to get nuked. Then the rest of us upstate would finally be rid of that fucking burden of a city.

farming moisture in the desert, its like if a drought came in a farmland, you don't necessary blame the president for it right?

plus in millions of planets why does the emperor have every final jurisdiction. tatooine probably have their own corruptioon problem under the system of the emperor that is due to the individuals ruling tatoonine, not the policies of the emperor similar to that like how detroit is a shit hole due to problems in state

How was the empire oppressive? You do realize that without a unifying force in the galaxy, there will be nonstop war and genocide between countless factions.

Star Wars is a black and white kids story. It was created that way and it's meant to be that way. Stop overanalyzing things like a dumb Youtuber or someone who did their college thesis on dissecting Harry Potter for the TROOFS

Israel

it wasn't suspicion though, princess leia is literally head of state of alderaan and is a known rebel that stole classified information as well as who know what crimes.

it is like nuking cuba in the cuban missile crisis with no repercussion this time because ur the lone superpower

and white people made up over .2% of the universes population

so awful

>there will never be a satirical TV series centred on a group of Imperial Navy officers written by Armando Iannucci and starring Peter Capaldi

Didn't mandela blow up nazis? I thnk it was in dunkirk

star wars is about a guerilla faction running village to village before getting napalmed into oblivion, using voodoo and mysticism to garner supporters

>I'm gonna le try to apply my own retarded logic to a work of fiction, yet I'm going to overlook important aspects that would defeat my argument to appear to be a clever little shit
Fuck off.

Your silly attempts at comparing the empire with the headless chicken that currently is the white house is both hilarious and baffling. It's like you're obsessed with your bloated, senile daddy.

Judging strictly by the movies, the Empire brought nothing but genocide and war for 3 episodes. Good job.

100 × 0 = 0

Sheev literally did nothing wrong

>a very well accomplished businessman in a competitive business industry is a headless chicken

oh boy here we go

...

Romans 13New International Reader's Version (NIRV)

Obey Those in Authority
13 All of you must obey those who rule over you. There are no authorities except the ones God has chosen. Those who now rule have been chosen by God. 2 So whoever opposes the authorities opposes leaders whom God has appointed. Those who do that will be judged. 3 If you do what is right, you won’t need to be afraid of your rulers. But watch out if you do what is wrong! You don’t want to be afraid of those in authority, do you? Then do what is right, and you will be praised. 4 The one in authority serves God for your good. But if you do wrong, watch out! Rulers don’t carry a sword for no reason at all. They serve God. And God is carrying out his anger through them. The ruler punishes anyone who does wrong. 5 You must obey the authorities. Then you will not be punished. You must also obey them because you know it is right.

6 That’s also why you pay taxes. The authorities serve God. Ruling takes up all their time. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them. Do you owe taxes? Then pay them. Do you owe anything else to the government? Then pay it. Do you owe respect? Then give it. Do you owe honor? Then show it.

I meant just in general WTF it doesn't matter which president is running u autist. it doesn't have to be in us.

ie Canada there's federal and then provincial and then municipal laws and levels of governance.

I don't blame Trudeau that abbotsford is a shithole, though I dislike him.

stop projecting lmao

>try to unify the galaxy
>autistic weirdos sperg out and become terrorists
>it's your fault there is war

And a well dressed one, lucas clearly have never been in a guerrilla, i didn't see any rebel eating rats in yavin 4

He's not wrong; It's retarded fanfic shit like OP that gave birth to "nerd culture." Lucas and Disney saw an easily exploitable community of redditors and marketed a film that sought to explain every minute detail. Nevermind that SW was nothing more than a fantasy movie and purposefully left a lot of shit ambiguous.

Sounds like Palpy during the Old Republic.

How do you figure? The OT usually shows us frontier worlds. Tattoine is much the same. The Empire blows up a planet because they are trying to strongarm one person. Citizens in Coruscant celebrate the death of the Emperor.

>sperging out over every minute detail of science-fantasy
>not reddit

>a very well accomplished businessman
>several bankrupt casino endeavors
>needing to resort to high level corruption
>currently under investigation by the FBI for electoral fraud
Ayyy, I love your hot, sticky maga all over my face and tits, dadday!!!!1

>What exactly did they do that was so bad?

Nothing, literally nothing wrong.

basically were fucking white males and thats bad mkkay?

I am pretty sure the jedi purged sith history.


Like that story that palatine tells Anakin.

Are you arguing that the empire isn't oppressive or that it's oppression is justified? Make up your mind please

You fucked up when your audience starts spitting out empire apologists.

Shouldn't have made them cartoon villains.

this nigga I'm the kool-aid all the most successful businessmen have a few endeavors that don't fly, IDK bout the corruption shit though but that was just a dumb statement

There's nothing wrong with cartoon villains if the audience has a tenth of a brain. This is like saying Sauron did nothing wrong and was the misunderstood good guy all along

>missing the scene where obi wan gives away he's working for them.
lol i bet you think mind tricks are real.

ITT: They dindu nuffin

Tfw you've lived long enough to see alt right white boys become the new niggers

he was radicalized by a old hippie

Sauron was a dick. But Ar-Pharazon did nothing wrong.

>You fucked up when your audience starts spitting out empire apologists.
All I can say is "What?".

That sounds like it would solve a lot of problems
Could we just take out the entire middle east?

>blowin up blanets and killid millyids of ppl id not bad

>might is right

hmmmm....

Stop typing like a 12 year old, people might find themselves more willing to take you seriously.

You'd have a point if Palpatine had created the Empire under anything but a ruse.
>literally mind controls politicians to get his votes
>fakes a coup
>pretends he's deformed by the Jedi's action and not his own
>makes up reasons for the Jedi's destruction that aren't true- even if the Order was corrupt, he committed a literal genocide

My heart

the death stars had tons of innocent people on them too

Destroying the Death Stars was an act of self-defense. One of them was seconds away from killing everyone.

so? murderers and people complicit to murder deserve death in a fair universe.

Military personnel isn't innocent by definition

They shot Luke’s aunt and uncle and burned their bodies

Sand"people" did that, and then Obi-wan framed the Empire for it.

>Yeah, these blast marks are too accurate for sandpeople, heh heh...
>You can trust me, Luke
>I'm a good friend

>they shot child kidnappers.

maybe those military units shouldnt have occupied yavin or surrendered or moved away

They displaced an alien race from their granted-for-eternity territory on Coruscant onto a dying planet where they all died within two decades and the entire race vanished

They strip mined, poisoned and completely devastated several planets protected for their unique natural features

They conquered several independent and stable systems after forcing protectorate ultimatums and starting wars when they refused, or smuggling in weapons and staging insurgencies if they accepted

They killed at least one city of ten+ million people and poisoned the lands with radiation when their Death Star Weapon project fucked up

They coerced, abducted and killed countless scientists and their families in their effort to build the Death Star

All of this happens within the first two years of the inception of the Empire.

a lot of very edgy opinions itt, I'm giggling to myself while flipping my switch blade around hehehe

there are heros on both sides.

Copypasta time for your (you).

- Killed indiscriminately everyone who MIGHT have come into contact with secret Imperial information.

- Blew up a planet for an "effective demonstration" of their power. (Blew up or rendered uninhabitable another planet, depending on what canon you prefer, for the first test of their planetkiller.)

- Rewrote laws however the fuck the Emperor wanted and established a military dictatorship.

- Killed their own on a whim. (Nuked their own base, de-lifing yet another planet in the process, on the off chance that this may prevent leaking of their secrets in DisneyWars).

- Lied every time they made deals with anyone, proving themselves not only evil but lacking basic integrity to make an agreement and follow it.

- Did fuck-all to curb activities of actual gangsters and criminals.

Maybe Sheev should stop being a cunt needlessly and people wouldn't rebell against him?