FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL

>FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL

What did he mean by this?

he was right

Yes he was
Anakin was pushed to do the arbitrary because of a flawed system promoted by proud monks
He couldn't tell the senate his problems because of fear to be thrown out and stripped of his titles
So when the jedi says fear gets you to the dark side, whilst the system is very prone to making its members fear, who's really at fault?

Buried underneath all the crap, the prequels tells a beautiful story

Of course he was.

The Sith Empire are not evil. They want ORDER and discipline. Only beta faggots think they're evil.

He was trollling Obi's morally dualist delusions.

That from his point of view the Jedi were evil.

The Sith want power in and to themselves. The only order that matters to a Sith is an order that serves the interest of whoever is the Sith master. The only discipline worth acknowledging is discipline that serves the Sith agenda.

The Sith are fucking terrible for social harmony. You have been hoodwinked. You have been tempted by their displays of power and forget how many woes the Sith cause.

>Follow your own passions and desires, do whatever the fuck you feel, pursue only your own well-being and further power
>Order

are you retarded?

Too bad that doesn`t come across well. I honestly think a lot of the ideas in them are really good, but fuck does it all play out like shit.

That's the thing is that he's right, from his perspective the Jedi were evil
But it's such a strange thing to shout in the middle of a fight
It's like if your roommate drank some unlabeled soda in the fridge and in the middle of your fight you say "but the soda was mine" and he says "but from my perspective the Soda was mine", like he's not wrong but why state the obvious?
It's just not the appropriate thing he would say in the moment, it's like when Black scientist man tweeted that "almost all conflicts in history are because both sides believed something different", neither are wrong but were they going somewhere with that point or is that it?

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Yes dude.

even luke and yoda got disillusioned with the jedi order. The jedi think themselves higher than sith but they are a bunch of bureaucratic monks. "only a sith deals in absolutes" what does that even mean? kek

this. The sith agenda is unsustainable. They all backstab each other anyway for power.

(nice digits "Jedi")
>The Jedi want power in and to themselves. The only order that matters to a Jedi is an order that serves the interest of whoever is the Jedi master. The only discipline worth acknowledging is discipline that serves the Jedi agenda.
Wow it's almost as if neither side has the moral high ground!
I think it's less about pursuing hedonistic desires but using your ambition to further yourself. As for the attachment of order to the Sith, people generally consider the Empire to be the Apollonian to the Rebellion's Dionysian, which should be obvious from aesthetics.

>sheev is a bad guy!
>no u, imo.

Man they really need to remake the prequels. Hopefully with Lucas on board.

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The Jedi were hypocrites. They were more interested in their own power

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The Empire wants order. Palpatine knew the Vong were coming and had to prepare to face them. That's got nothing to do with being Sith. Actually come to think of it he was pretty terrible as far as Sith go because he worked for the greater good instead of just doing whatever pleased his id.

anakin was being cucked by both sides. sheev got the upper hand in the end. So this means anakin was a gray jedi? was that concept non existent in the prequel era?

There's nothing gray about killing those kids.

obviously obi wan didn't think so as he fought him on a literal lava planet for 9 hours.

kino

no there isnt he COULD have been a gray jedi was where i was getting at, but he leaned too far 2 the dark side. Anakin was prideful as he really wanted to be a jedi master. gray jedis sever themselves from the order.

>Man they really need to remake the prequels.
>Hopefully with Lucas on board.
I'm just letting the uninitiated know this is bait

That image is so satisfying, saved.

I would like for one or two good writers to polish Lucas' ideas for the prequels and a competent director to put those ideas on the big screen properly. How is that bait?

Why couldn't the script just say "To me the Jedi are evil" the "from my point of view" really kills it

Amazing how changing a few words can convey a stronger message.

There should be a Star Wars character that uses the dark side but is a good guy and doesn't buy into the same idea of "balance" that the rest do. The dark side is clearly far more powerful.

>far more powerful
*easier

>not having ublock origin
you deserved it

Even Dooku saw this as he was fed up with the bureucracy and corruption in the republic

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Or just 'The Jedi are evil!' would suffice.

The way it is written, it sounds like an author explaining his character at a book reading. George may as well have walked onto the screen and said: 'Of course, what Obi-Wan fails to recognise is that from Anakin's point of view the Jedi are evil.'

Sidious and especially Plagueis are clearly more powerful than any Jedi.

The influence that a religious organisation like the Jedi Order has in the Republic is a clear violation of the separation of church and state

The whole fucking point of the prequels is that the jedi became a bunch of spoiled faggott pricks. Its literally animal farm, and they deservedly got culled.

did you find out how chumlee died?

this. It's what Lucas was getting at through all the prequels, the Jedi were guilty of their own hubris. I mean Mace wanted to depose the Chancellor and take control of the senate, in what world is that acceptable? Luke was right.

Rigid and dogmatic views
Peace through obedience
Religion that denies basic human emotions
Large central government that seeks to control economic affairs
Outlaws different ideologies, has religious hit squads to deal with "different" force use.
Absolutes are evil except when we say so, like all force users are absolutely evil unless they become Jedi.

Jedi can also encompass both Jedi and Sith (Which used to be called Dark Jedi) they have the same teachings but reversed principle and mottos.

When it came down to it, you could say the Jedi (Light and Dark) can be viewed as evil as it tries to control the force and bend it to it's will instead of looking at it from a complete view. This creates imbalances which lead to death and destruction. I say, good riddance to the Jedi order and the Sith.

Now that they're gone, balance has truly been restored and the Skywalker prophecy fulfilled.

go slice some more padawans you sith apologists

He means a basic plot was poorly writen

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Why do good guys need to train child soldiers?

Anakin told Yoda about his fears and Yoda was like

>lmao faggot fear leaves to the dark side like JUST FORGET ABOUT YOUR SLAVE MOM LMAO

and then he killed the women and children.

Its also pretty heavily suggested in EU material that the military officers didn't have a problem siding with the Emporer because they saw how the Jedi's tactics had caused unnecessary and unacceptable losses. It's one thing to wage a war with a "hearts and minds" view toward peace time, and another entirely to put your own code above the lives of others

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The Sith are beautiful but they don't last very long.

>When it came down to it, you could say the Jedi (Light and Dark) can be viewed as evil as it tries to control the force and bend it to it's will instead of looking at it from a complete view. This creates imbalances which lead to death and destruction. I say, good riddance to the Jedi order and the Sith.

Only an idiot would take a neutral view of the force and just 'let things be'. If you don't use it, someone else will, therefore it makes sense to form an order with rules and prescriptions for its use. And yes, that also involves shutting down people who would use it for selfish/evil ends.

Not saying I agree with everything the Jedi order did but it makes perfect sense that some order of that kind should exist. Otherwise you will have a bunch of supervillains running around unchecked.

>at the cinema
>movie begins with a boring title crawl explaining the action through text
>think they could`ve tried to show that in the film itself but whatever let`s keep going
>movie starts
>literal pause symbol appears on the screen and the movie stops
>"Hi guys!"
>George Lucas is in the screening
>"Well so as you may know, these are PREQUELS to my original 3 Star Movies. As in: They'll explain events that happened before those chronologically."
>verbally recaps the entire other 3 movies amidst audience booing continuously
>nearly every one leaves
>covered with popcorn from angry movie goers, George presses the play button on his controller and the theatre screen lights up again (it had gone dark from no action being done for too long a time)
>movie begins proper
>first character appears
>about to speak
>George pauses movie again
>"And this, is Anakin Skywalker! As you may recall, he is father to Luke Skywalker, from the previous 3 movies. That is, previous not chronologically, as these tell the actual story..."
>keeps going and pauses at every character that appears, giving a full introduction to their motivations and relationships within the mythos.
Overall pretty good experience. Some bits were unnecessary though.

checks and balances are fine, but the core problem is the hypocritical jedi order.

>he's never even seen episode one

What?

The frames don't do justice to what the scene tries to convey, Anakin doesn't try to save Palpatine because of the jedi way, he does it because he is trying to save Padme, he literally turns into a sith in that scene.

We know that Anakin believes the Jedi are better than the Sith, and we know that Anakin has no trouble in violating the Jedi code when Obi Wan asks him, Anakin would have let obi wan kill sidious with 0 regrets, he really hated the nigro and with good reasons, he was always really passive aggressive against him.

Nope too dogmatic, just be a grey jedi- or dark force or light force user. People are idiots if they feel that must conform to a relgious sect that tells you how and when you're allowed to use the force. Want teachings and to read old books? That's fine. Jedi books, methods, meditations (also same used by sith) all good in my view. When you force people to only do that or they will chop you down with a purple saber at the slightest disagreement, that- that is what I have a problem with.

It's like Catholicism in the 15th century if they had Templar knights that could also read minds and slice through stone with "LAZER SWORDS!"

It's more stable then the Jedi. They outlived them.

They were flawed but not evil. Anakin was motivated by his lack of action on his passion in a proper fashion.

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retard

not sure about outlived more like a fragmented group of assholes powertripping atleast the jedi formed and club and organized.

The Sith had good guys like Anakin, he even killed Darth Sidious. From my perspective, Vader was good.

Oh shit, Jedi Order shut the fuck down!

>Palpatine knew the Vong were coming and had to prepare to face them. That's got nothing to do with being Sith. Actually come to think of it he was pretty terrible as far as Sith go because he worked for the greater good instead of just doing whatever pleased his id.
This is the biggest ass pull that the EU pulled and I'm glad George never considered it canon. Why can't people accept that the Emperor is just a dude who likes to laugh and do evil things? God forbid a character in a kids space fantasy movie is evil for the heck of it.

"Only a sith deals in absolutes" is in itself an absolute statement.

>When you force people to only do that or they will chop you down with a purple saber at the slightest disagreement, that- that is what I have a problem with.

You make it sound like Palpatine was just an oppressed member of a religious minority. The truth is that he was duplicitous about beliefs because they are explicitly against the public interest, and no one with those beliefs should be in charge of the Galactic Senate.

It would be different if Palpy was an open advocate for the religious freedoms of the Sith. But he was not. He was sneaky about it because he was clearly up to no good. Mace Windu did nothing wrong.

exactly.

>when Jedi are in power thousands of years gp by with relative peace and prosperity within the galaxy
>when Sith are in power their reign lasts a couple decades at most and the galaxy is rife with civil war and death upon a massive scale every time

But feed me more of your desperate moral relativism Sup Forums

easy times creates weak men.

I don't disagree. Anakin wasn't trying to save Padmé for Jedi reasons, his very attachment to her was against the Jedi code. But what's interesting is that even though his personal interest is involved and motivating him, he still cites the code and cuts Windu's saber arm off (rather than outright killing him as he did to Dooku earlier).

Sheev definitely manipulated him into making the choice, but I don't think it's until he BTFOs Mace that Anakin realizes he's picked a side and will do whatever to help Sheev to save her.

are you a prime example?

i was born and raised in the balkans during the fall of Yugoslavia, go figure.

i apologize.

I don't understand why people think the emperor is pure evil. He has to do shit on a galactic scale.What the fuck is a traitor planet or two?

every side has its agenda, but the problem with the empire is the whole "kill innocents and oppression" bits

>The truth is that he was duplicitous about beliefs because
Palpatine was just an oppressed member of a religious minority.

they are explicitly against the public interest, and no one with those beliefs should be in charge of the Galactic Senate.
According to Jedi beliefs, but a greater good argument can be made for peace through Order, which he brought.

Now, I'm not gonna say the Emperor wasn't actually evil. Since he rejected the light side of the force and also had dogmatic views, he was no better or worse than the Jedi he set out to depose. He did only issue order 66 when he was found out.

The only good in the universe was Luke, because he wasn't dogmatic. He just sought to do the right thing. It wasn't until he became a full Jedi shit started getting messed up.

>I don't understand why people think the emperor is pure evil

Well gee, I don't know, ordering the execution of countless children, enslaving people who opposed him and sanctioning global genocide without any remorse might have something to do with it.

>This is the biggest ass pull that the EU pulled and I'm glad George never considered it canon. Why can't people accept that the Emperor is just a dude who likes to laugh and do evil things? God forbid a character in a kids space fantasy movie is evil for the heck of it.

Because when you are creating an Expanded Universe, you inevitably have to go deeper and this means dealing with a lot of questions. Like why do some people seem to be fiercely loyal to the Empire, if it is so bad? What motivates Palpy after he has defeated the Jedi?

I don't think the answers were very good but it was the challenge the writers were faced with, and they had to fill in gaps that a quick space-romp movie will never have to address.

Palpatine wants to secure the galaxy for the Sith as revenge for the Jedi being genocidal against siths, he knows he doesn't have alot of time so he makes Darth Vader his heir, because he shares the same ideology.

He basically just wants Jedi to suffer, but has nothing against other people, and has given more people jobs combined than the jedi ever have.

A bad guy? Sure.

Unreasonable? No.

By the 15th century, most monastic military orders were becoming extinct
They were more a thing in the middle ages

>but a greater good argument can be made for peace through Order, which he brought.

He didn't bring order, he brought violent dictatorial oppression that lasted two decades and involved countless failed rebellions across the galaxy until the Empire was finally overthrown.

>Like why do some people seem to be fiercely loyal to the Empire, if it is so bad?

Because of power and status that siding with the Empire gave them.

That's exactly why I chose that time period. Think how that would look if they literally got Jedi that could do magic and cut down opposition. There'd be no Church or England, Lutherans, or even Eastern Orthodoxy.

I don't understand.

He meant that the Jedi has some minor flaws therefore they are evil and the Sith are cool dude. You'll see this same line of logic from people who post here.


Keep in mind that these "people" vote....

>Because of power and status that siding with the Empire gave them.

There are only so many times you can tell the story of the "corrupt Moff". To keep things interesting, you have to create characters like Thrawn who have a higher ideological purpose.

And then, by extension, you have to give the Emperor a higher purpose, because Thrawn follows the Emperor. You see where this eventually leads.

>he still thinks voting matters.
ahahahahah

>minor flaws

You didn't really address how that makes them evil.

The Jedi weren't the ones who ordered or carried out the slaughter of younglings.

I realize your point now but Eastern Orthodoxy already existed at that point
They could be the sith in this analogy I guess

>ike why do some people seem to be fiercely loyal to the Empire, if it is so bad?
Why were people so fiercely loyal to Hitler or Mussolini? Propaganda, strong military, luxury and security if you're in the right demographic.
>What motivates Palpy after he has defeated th
Ruling the entire galaxy, for one. You, know his goal in life since he became a Sith? In the new books he also spends a lot of time dabbling in the dark side, trying to strengthen it's hold on the galaxy with experiments.

>They could be the sith in this analogy I guess
No that would be Islam

Ended the clone war and direct central control of Jedi power over the Senate. Created thousands of jobs. And pride to the Galaxy as a unified Empire. Of course there were some rabble raussers. But no longer could a few separatist systems just decide to break off and control whole arms of a galaxy for years.

Where the rebellion was slowly formed underground and mostly consisted of hit and run fights. The Empire mostly engaged in direct army fights when it could, and only destroyed a small prominent planet in a Unitarian effort to show its might to quell rebellious attitudes. Which might have worked had the terrorists not blown up the death star.

The Old Republic got millions of innocent civilians killed in the cross fire with it's weak ability to put down the separatists. That lasted for over a decade.

Where as the Empire had straight peace for 20 years. Then a relatively quick 6 year war, that even with EVEN WITH the destruction of a planet had much less civilian casualties.

The entire issue is a moot point because this is all the outcome of separating the force into dark and light dogmatic religions and refusing the nature of balance in the universe. The light rises, people get weak, war. The dark rises, people become oppressed, war. Rinse and repeat.

It truly is a galaxy of different Stars always at War. Oh shit, they should call it Star Wars

"The onus is on the person making the claim " is also a claim with no onus to back it up.

Kind of absurdist logic.

>the Jedi are like the sith when it comes to power
False. Are you brainlet? How do you come away from watching the PT with this retarded sith propaganda notion? The Jedi are shown throughout the PT to not be able to get done what needs to get done, what they know needs to get done because their code restricts them, because they operate in a secular fashion from the government. They do not control the government outright like the sith do. They try to influence and maintain peace and they are very limited.

muh nigga. You're probably the only other person who caught this part of the RoTS.