Did the writers completely forget about them?

Did the writers completely forget about them?

because they revealed that kylo was a jobber

who cares about a jobber's servants? not like they'll be a bigger threat than the jobber himself

Everybody completely forgot about them.

Were they supposed to be the guys in red?

We dont need more questions user. Think of the children

Cut to make space for the casino plot

I thought they were the red guys guarding Snoke

This is what happens when you don't plan out anything and just make shit up as you go.

when we gonna get a star wars screener, lads?

why the fuck would they try to kill Ben then

Im not even kidding Rian wrote TLJ without watching TFA

Luke offhandedly mentions that some of his students went off with Ben when Ben attacked. We sure don't see them, though. But I bet they'll be in Episode 9, since they were Abrams' idea.

Nah just standard Royal guards or whatevr NuWars call them.

>MFWever I think of how much screentime got blown on that

They had 30 plus years since the end of ROTJ to come up with a story for the sequel trilogy.

What happened?

cause snoke was always their boss. if some sgt. is the leader of his unit, whose their boss, the sgt. or the general of the army?

>Cut to make space for the casino plot
i havent seen the movie but that sounds like somethihng george lucas would've hamfisted

disney didnt own lucasfilm for 30 years. thats what happened, they had it for about a 1.5 years to write a story. still not an excuse

Strictly speaking, Disney bought Star Wars at the end of 2012, started shooting early 2014 and had the movie out by 2015, so their pre-production planning stages for figuring out what was going to happen in this trilogy of films was from October of 2012 to when they started rolling cameras in May of 2014, although it seems like most of the details had been decided by the end of 2013 when they started converting spaces, casting people and getting locations. Probably like a half year of figuring shit out, then?

But then again, you have to wonder how much time should really be needed to figure out your artistic direction, or if artistic direction is even something that can really arise from a production where a giant corporation bought a legendary franchise from its original creator and then hired on people to make more of it for money purposes.

Also found this gem while browsing the Wikipedia page;
>Early drafts had Luke appear midway through the film, but Arndt found that "every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over. Suddenly you didn't care about your main character anymore."

They waited a movie and it still happened.

So basically, by rushing it, they could have had Lord of the Rings but turned it into The Hobbit.

So Kylo was Jannetty?

RIAN JOHNSON HAS NEVER SEEN A STAR WARS FILM IN HIS ENTIRE MISERABLE LIFE

Yeah, well the whole point of the new films was to see what happened to Luke. They should have started with Luke, and introduced the other characters over time. It's not rocket surgery.

Idiots.

>What happened?
Kathleen Kennedy happened.

what pisses me off most is my dad has all of the official George Lucas confirmed cannon books that take place after the original trilogy, but alas, literally none of the already confirmed cannon exists anymore. like the material to use was already there and, dare i say it, good.

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Rian Johnson's career is over. No one will ever watch his shitty movies again. Good riddance.

I was getting revan vibes from this.

what is the one to kylo's left doing in this shot

>name my band

If a dictator gets killed and the new one is right there, do you pointlessly fight him or do you switch? Especially when you were standing there watching Snoke carve up the future of the Empire with the two greatest younglings, which ain't one of you.

THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY DID IT LOL

Rian fucking hated TFA and personally fucking hates JJ.

Watch JJ shit all over TLJ in the next film btw.

standing menacingly
scanning the perimeter
mostly standing menacingly though

>tfw you realize that Kylo had to construct and build a mask in 10 seconds if this was the Jedi temple slaughter

what even happened

i mean the one holding out her hands to him at waist height on the right

seems like a she at least, slight frame

does she want a hug or something?

It wasn't. You see glimpses of the jedi temple slaughter in the same vision and it's not raining

Funny how this is probably the most memorable shot in the entire movie and it's completely abandoned in the next movie.

>Be Kathleen Kennedy
>After a long and illustrious career, get handed the keys to one of the biggest franchises in movies
>Pick directors that actively hate each other and proceed to let them catfight on the screen while your "diverse" writer's room hands you nothing but garbage

Bravo Kennedy.

I honestly think they did. Knights of Ren was what I was most looking forward to when I went to see TFA.

the more important question would be what happened to the other jedi that sided with Kylo
they could have build up this setting where the Sith actually outnumber the Jedi, but instead we will just get a big question mark and a fuck you

yes.

at least this is showing the entire star wars crowd the products of both women in power and diversity quotas

I think it was obvious that they were supposed to be Snokes bodyguards before they got replaced with the red dudes.

They played the safe route and deleted them instead of explaining why Kylo would fight them

They ripped off his look imo.

>Good
No.
Not even remotely.
Like, I'm not gonna start being an apologist for the nu-wars trilogy, and there were some gems, sure, and Timothy Zahn should absolutely have been given at least an advisory role in the new trilogy, but literally 98% of the expanded universe was god fucking awful.

You can't throw a fit at flying Leia, lightspeed ramming and unceremonious deaths and then turn around and say invaders from another galaxy, Palpatine clones, dark-side Luke and Mara Jade would've made a better story. Flat out does not work.

gay fag

They were mentioned, Luke says that Kylo took six other students with him after he killed the rest. They'll be in the next film.

>invaders from another galaxy, Palpatine clones, dark-side Luke
damn that sounds marvel-tier

>George Lucas confirmed cannon books that take place after the original trilogy
Those literally don't exist. George never cared about the EU, and it was never considered canon the same way the movies were (that's why there were like five levels of EU canon). Lots of those books contradict each other, too. The reason so much post-ROTJ stuff was released was because George wasn't planning on making any more movies, and didn't care what writers had to say about something he wasn't going to have to tread over.

Holdind out a big weapon

>JJ made no plans for Rian to work from
>Rian shat all over JJ's mystery box
>JJ will backpeddle any interesting choices Rian made

Good job producing the trilogy Kathleen

>JJ made no plans for Rian to work from

I find that extremely hard to believe.
Literally none? Zero?
I coulda swarn I heard from literally everyone before the first one came out that they had at least a vague outline of the entire trilogy

no

>We'll never get a Zack Snyder Knights of Ren spin-off

Why even vary the team this much in between movies? The director is the captain of the ship, you can't waffle back and forth on the captain, no one will know what the fuck is happening. There should've been a core top-brass production crew chosen at the start for the whole fucking trilogy so that things would be consistent. One director, one DP, one head of the art department, etc.

Rian stated otherwise on twatter apparently. I mean, because it's JJ there was absolutely tons of vague shit that someone smart could pick up, justify in a particular way and use as something meaningful to pick up steam for the third movie, but I'm not sure Rian is that kind of guy who can be content picking up JJ's leavings and working them into something good, which I'm pretty sure is why he just ended up throwing out everything that came before and doing his own thing.

I'm sure they have a vague outline, but if they didn't write out actual scripts for the whole thing then outlines are kinda worthless. Stories really come out when you decide the details; anyone can write an outline.

> which I'm pretty sure is why he just ended up throwing out everything that came before and doing his own thing.

What "own thing" did he do? I wish I knew. The end of TLJ is just another rebels + jedi vs empire + vader setup. There's nothing interesting left. The only thing Rian did was destroy every narrative thread he could in the least interesting way possible, he didn't create anything of his own to carry the next movie.

Isn't this how Lost turned out (never watched it myself)?

No one could believe they had no plan. No way they could have all these compelling mysteries and be building up to things for years and not have at least a roughly sketched master plan in file cabinet somewhere. But in the end they had no plan.

>because stone cold said so
I just got around to watching The Force Awakens yesterday. I got halfway through it before ragequitting. This movie good elements but comes together poorly and basically fuck JJ Abrams and whoever thought out the overarching plot for this trash.
t. Star Wars was my favorite movie as a kid but this is awful and fuck anyone who pays to see this in theaters

Admiral Haldo is an analogy for the way Disney is handling its movies. No one knows who the fuck is in charge, what's going to happen next, and leadership is handed back and forth to the point where rank doesn't matter.

Eventually a mutiny will occur and Leia will shoot the usurper.

maybe

I think originally the Knights of Ren were created before Kylo was seduced by Snoke because they were the Rouge One squad after being captured by the Empire.

Maybe not

rip

>Suddenly you didn't care about your main character anymore
Funny, I never did particularly care about my main character.

The Knights of Ren are not gone, and there's a very good chance they will show up in Episode 9.

It's pretty obvious the Knights of Ren were the students that left with Kylo when he destroyed Luke's Jedi Temple.

Ep 9 is going to need something big. Snoke had his Elite Praetorian Guards. Kylo will have the Knights of Ren to flank him.

Where have they been all this time? I'm willing to bet they've all been in different parts of the galaxy doing Snoke and Ren's bidding.

Go away Matpat.

The Knights of Ren were a dropped plotline in a supposed Dark Rey idea for the trilogy. In this, Kylo would abandon the First Order after killing Han and seek forgiveness from his mother and to make amends with Luke. In the process, Snoke would reach out to Rey and the Knights of Ren would become the Knights of Rey and end up killing Leia while Luke and Kylo were away. When they return, much like Obi-Wan and Luke returning to his aunt and uncle, Kylo would be in tremendous emotional pain and would find a discarded arm wrapping from Rey. This would setup a Kylo/Rey fight and a Luke/Snoke fight. Luke would die spectacurally, buying just enough time for Kylo to barely escape with his life. In Episode 9, a force ghost Leia would have helped bring Rey back to the light side, and her and Kylo would strike down Snoke.

This idea broke down when it became clear that Carrie Fisher's health and lisp made her acting in a major role in 3 movies was not feasible.

Oh I forgot to mention the KoR are all woman, Kathleen Kennedy's idea.

They were dispatched to the far reaches of the galaxy to do vague evil shit. In episode IX Galactic Emperor Ren assembles the team again.

>Why even vary the team this much in between movies?
am i a simpleton or something? don't they have like, virtually unlimited time and resources at their disposal? what is stopping them from pulling a Peter Jackson and just spend like 3-5 years crafting and creating the most mind blowing Star Wars trilogy of all time? seems to me the risk of running the brand into the ground by rushing out a whole bunch of crap is greater than the risk of what, people losing interest if they're not out fast enough?
could you imagine the box office draw if they treated this property like James Cameron is treating his fucking blue alien sex fantasy shlock and planned a whole trilogy? the whole thing boggles my mind.

Wrong. The original title for TLJ was The Last Knight (TLK). It was meant to be a marketing stunt to make people wonder if Luke was going to die or not -- but ultimately referred to Ren being the last Knight of Ren.

The title was dropped when Transformers came out the same year with the same subtitle.

The plotline where the Resistance were pursued by the Knights of Ren (who were trying to abduct Finn so they could get resistance info from him) was dropped for the long chase sequence we ultimately got.

Not really, it's hard to fit them in when Kennedy wants more diversity hires, Holdo & Rose took up too much screen time, leaving no room for KOR

Can't it be a premonition?

>Early drafts had Luke appear midway through the film, but Arndt found that "every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over. Suddenly you didn't care about your main character anymore."
>but Arndt found

THEN GET A BETTER WRITER

IF YOU CAN'T WRITE LUKE IN A SUPPORTING ROLE YOU'RE A MORON

i am the senate

am I to late for le epic pun/reddit gold train!?!? XD

i kinda don't blame him. when you're writing you go to what's interesting, and if you're picking between rey and luke, i mean, come on. it's just hard to prioritize her.

>Early drafts had Luke appear midway through the film, but Arndt found that "every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over. Suddenly you didn't care about your main character anymore."
How do they keep making me want to murder someone? I'm not even a violent person (especially compared to you autistic fucks). But seriously, TAKE A FUCKING HINT

>what is stopping them from pulling a Peter Jackson and just spend like 3-5 years crafting and creating the most mind blowing Star Wars trilogy of all time?
Time is money user

Kylo ren saw rey here, he was doing stuff during TFA before he went to that planet with the orange lady alien

Maybe if Rey was fleshed out and had actual character motivations and a personality, she wouldn't be outshone by Luke.
Or just make Luke the other main character in TFA, best buds with Rey, only to be killed off heroicly in tlj so that Rey could take over.
(So a combination of his role and Han's role)

Then everyone's satisfied and we get a proper reunion and one last rodeo with Luke lighting some stormtroopers the fuck up and a proper passing of the torch

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>like the material to use was already there and, dare i say it, good.

What is it with this revisionist history of EU being considered good now? Before Disney's buyout, everyone usually considered the EU to be trash.