Finding Luke was a complete waste of time

>finding Luke was a complete waste of time
>casino bight subplot is torn straight out of AOTC and pushing political messages has no business in a SW flick
>completely nonsensical chase subplot
>slightly less obvious rehash of TESB
>everything setup in TFA is thoughtlessly dismissed and the OT is rendered moot
>tonally inconsistent and most jokes fail to land
>Rey is indefensibly a Mary Sue now as her apologists hinged on the sequel to TFA explaining why she was so skilled
Do people actually like this movie or are the critics trolling?

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>god-awful acting from all involved, except Adam Driver
>reuses several setpieces from other films (Throne Room Battle, Imperial Walkers on Field of White, Dark Side Cave, Finn vs. Stormtrooper) in a series that's dependent on imagination and spectacle
>Flat, one-dimensional characters
>Payoffs all lame (secondary character we don't care about sacrifices herself to destroy enemy ship) or contrived (cellmate just happens to be brilliant hacker)

God only knows.

>Muh war profiteers
>Muh animal rights
>Muh orphans

Star Wars is not about dumb little social causes. You have literal genocides happening and entire planets being vaporized. Like literally just a few days earlier four system in a planet were destroyed, and Rose gives more of a shit about space fucking horses.

>pushing political messages has no business in a SW flick

Does the alt-right truly believe this? George Lucas isn't a racist Trump supporter. He made the OT as a Vietnam protest and he made the prequels as anti-Bush movies.

>Rey is indefensibly a Mary Sue now as her apologists hinged on the sequel to TFA explaining why she was so skilled

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This is what ANH would have been like if Luke was set up the same as Rey was.

>completely nonsensical chase subplot
This shit was fucking ridiculous.

It might have been interesting if it were explored at all. But nope. She just drops her opinion and wrecks a party. Thing is those people are so rich it was probably nothing more than an inconvenience and the lives of the slaves were only made more difficult.

And it's just a fucking casino, no their personal homes. Oh no, their night was ruined, good job Rose. They'll just have to cry as they hop back onto their personal star craft and head to their giga mansions on Coruscant to their dozens of Twi'lek sex slaves.

I guess this is what happens when diversity hires run a studio for the sole purpose of making political propaganda and not good movies.

Please explain how ANH is protesting a war that ended 2 years before it came out. Idiot.

I honestly believe the new star wars very comparable to the new die hard movies (4&5)

> The main characters (Luke, John Mclane) personalities seem inconsistent with prior movies.
>Forced conflict between family members for the sake of "Story". (This is the worst part, we are 5 movies in on each, and it's a bunch old people still being dramatic by pouting alone?)
> The main character's abilities continue to escalate to levels that do not make sense based on the "rules" established in the previous movies. (McClane on a Jet Wing, Luke force projecting across the galaxy, etc.)
> Weak villains. Darth Vader and Hans Gruber vs. Snoke and those bad guys in Die Hard 4&5 (whoever the fuck they were. I can't remember their names and neither can you).

> Le Alt-Right Boogeyman

HAHA! THEY AND THE RUSSIANS HACKED THE SHIT OUT OF YOUR VIEWER REVIEWS!

>Flat, one-dimensional characters
This. Finn hurt the most. He held the most potential and the writers dropped the ball. I was excited about a stormtrooper seeing the error of his ways and slowly turning against his programming. Instead he's treated as comic relief for the women surrounding him.

>pushing political messages has no business in a SW flick
Kek I wonder how many innocent children lost their parents to being trampled by space horses.
But I mean, it was worth it.
Not like the casino can wrangle the space horses in the morning or anything.

His past as a Stormtrooper has only been used as "I know where a thing is!" so far. Complete waste of a setup, and also lazy writing.

>>finding Luke was a complete waste of time
Brought hope to the resistance literally explained in the movie, kid
>>casino bight subplot is torn straight out of AOTC and pushing political messages has no business in a SW flick
All SW is political so shows what you know, mental midget
>>completely nonsensical chase subplot
Part of Finns character growth from more than just “muh Rey” but nice try, junior
>>slightly less obvious rehash of TESB
Meme complaint
>>everything setup in TFA is thoughtlessly dismissed and the OT is rendered moot
Not really but OK
>>tonally inconsistent and most jokes fail to land
4U
>>Rey is indefensibly a Mary Sue now as her apologists hinged on the sequel to TFA explaining why she was so skilled
Meme argument

Now this is Sup Forums shitposting!

He also went from
>war is hell
to blowing up stormtroopers faster than you can say first order

Agreed, he was my favorite of the three main characters that TFA introduced. He's well-acted and gets an actual character arc where he goes from a wannabe-deserter to a fighter.

So what happens in The Last Jedi? He goes from a wannabe-deserter to a fighter. A complete rehash of his arc in TFA. No wonder Boyega seemed so bored.

Good point. I remember how bad Die Hard 4 was and this gave me the same feeling. The writing is very bad.

I kinda liked the hacker villain from Die Hard 4. He's a pussy acting like a tough guy, and it just makes him so slimy and hateful.

Perfectly summed up. Irrefutable.

Are they really that bad at writing or is Disney testing the waters to see what they can get away with? I find it difficult to believe no one noticed how awful this was.

Rewatched this, enjoyed it a bit more, but noticed -
the mutiny plot is brief and completely pointless
the skim-speeders do absolutely nothing

Movie is at its best when Rey is on the island with Luke. Rey and Ren's Skype calls were okay. Virtually everything else ranges between mediocre to outright bad.

I'm still trying to understand what the whole casino plot was about.

>could've spent all those minutes on characters people actually care instead of a literal who and Finn or more cool scenes like the space battle

Anything would be better really

Plus those horse things will just be rounded back up in a few days.

>finding Luke was a complete waste of time
you mean except resolving the plot of the first film and training Rey
>casino bight subplot is torn straight out of AOTC and pushing political messages has no business in a SW flick
the prequel trilogy was all about the death of democracy and was extremely political, are you retarded?
>completely nonsensical chase subplot
the whole bight subplot was to introduce Rey's dad
>slightly less obvious rehash of TESB
I guess RotJ was a rehash of A New Hope too?
>everything setup in TFA is thoughtlessly dismissed and the OT is rendered moot
it uses all the characters from TFA and the OT was trash anyway
>tonally inconsistent and most jokes fail to land
its because people with autism (like you) can't into humour
>Rey is indefensibly a Mary Sue now as her apologists hinged on the sequel to TFA explaining why she was so skilled
Luke and Anakin are also hurrdurr chosen wun Gary Stus, thats the whole drive of the story

And hopefully put to death because the casino owners realize podracing is the better idea. Rose literally made everything worse.

I liked it because it was weird and it made no sense. As an EU fan I felt like this movie was made specifically for myself.

you are just a stupid faggot. I loved it

I liked it because it subverted my expectations

>OT was trash

>finding Luke was a complete waste of time
He literally saved the remnants of the rebellion.

>casino bight subplot is torn straight out of AOTC and pushing political messages has no business in a SW flick
The casino was unnecessary, yes, but acting like Lucas didn't put politics in the prequels shows you're not paying attention. One of the Trade Federation guys was named Newt Gunray. Newt f0or Newt Gingrich and Gunray
=Raygun or Reagan. Also, Anakins line "If you're not with me, you're my enemy" is straight from Bush saying "You're either with us or against us.

>completely nonsensical chase subplot
Podracing. Enough said.

>everything setup in TFA is thoughtlessly dismissed and the OT is rendered moot
You're somewhat right about the first. I'll reserve judgment until the next movie about the 2nd point.

>tonally inconsistent and most jokes fail to land
Agreed, but it isn't like Star Wars ever made me laugh.

>Rey is indefensibly a Mary Sue now as her apologists hinged on the sequel to TFA explaining why she was so skilled.
Meh. Perhaps, but it's obvious she is strong with the force, but I'll kind of agree on this point.

>training Rey
>training

take the nearest thing next to you and shove it up your ass

I hate the fucking pacing. Everything happens too fast.
Every scene always goes like this.

>2 seconds of an establishing shot so the audience doesn't get a headache from the constant shit thrown in their face
>scene plays out
>gag happens and 1 second later the scene is over
>rinse and repeat

>Podracing. Enough said.

The podrace is some Grand Prix filmmaking. Lucas is no Frankenheimer though.

>Luke and Anakin are also hurrdurr chosen wun Gary Stus
Luke is literally saved the entirety of ANH by the characters around him and only accomplishes one feat that the movie had building up to over the course of its duration. The Death Star shot was not impossible otherwise the Rebellion wouldn't have attempted to make it and craft Luke drove all his life was similar to what the Rebels were using. Wouldn't have made the shot without Han saving his butt at the last second. He literally fails all of TESB and attempts suicide only to be rescued by his sister. In ROTJ he botches his rescue mission, only defeats his father because Vader allowed it, and depends on his father to save him from the Emperor.

Anakin is an arrogant and mentally/emotionally stunted young man who gets his dismembered multiple times and disrespected by the entire Jedi Order. His wife marries him out of pity. Never gets to use his full potential because he is chopped up and burnt alive.

Totally Gary Stus, guis.

Why did Luke have a mechanical hand and not the realistic one?

We'll never know

The fake skin rotted away.

Can someone explain to me why Luke feared Ben Solo?

I understand he felt Ben's heart already turned, but isn't Luke supposed to be the strongest Jedi after his father?

Of course he was afraid his pupil would turn to the dark side, but it's not like Luke could kill him if he really did.

I actually think that is the breath and depth of Boyega's acting capability, we've seen everything he can do in these two movies.

I didn't mean to imply I didn't like it. Just that to complain about a chase scene in a movie is stupid. It's an action sequence.

>Can someone explain to me why Luke feared Ben Solo?
No explanation, just that they needed a quick reason to why Kylo would betray his Uncle and parents. Which obviously doesn't make sense, why is Kylo even evil if not for Snoke fucking with him? Could Luke not see that his beloved nephew is being seduced by an external force? Just awful.

He felt the dark side in him. It wasn't like this was ambiguous...

This whole franchise should have rotted away

He felt it when Ben was asleep being mind raped by Snoke. Luke couldn't see that? Luke saw a flicker of light in Vader and risked his life to see if it was true. Yet Luke now was ready to strike down his nephew in his sleep? This is such a obvious subversion of a beloved folk hero.

>podracing
>this bad movie was bad so it’s okay

don't forget veganism, it's apparently SUPER important politically right now

The person I was responding to was making numerous comparisons to past Star Wars movies so it is fair game. You should try some reading comprehension, friend.

I agree he was acting rashly, and un-Luke like. Just pointing out that he gave his reasons.

Luke acting rashly would be him seeing his nephew in danger from an external force and hunting it down. Maybe lead to a reason why Snoke is so fucking disfigured because Luke got into a massive duel with him. But that's probably too heroic for nu-Star Wars.

True, but then again it's not unprecedented for Jedi's to be oblivious to the dark side. Sheev was right under their noses for a longtime.

Luke was surrounded by the dark side, I think he knows what it is. We can't change what TLJ is and it will be fun to write fanfiction that could make the story and Luke better. But it won't be.

I hate how the flashback scenes were shot. Shouldn't have shown the actors' faces. Besides the Disney films, has there ever been a flashback in a SW film before?

Finn also picked up the lightsaber and fought Kylo in TFA. There could easily have been a storyline for him where his decision to turn away from evil and his courage makes him the perfect candidate to lead the new Jedi. Could easily have been a story where he pulls Rey back to the light side.

A stormtrooper who witnessed the dark side's power at the beginning of TFA, and uses that as a catalyst for good. Alas, all that was flushed down the drain so he could smooch Booby Lee.

>Finn also picked up the lightsaber and fought Kylo in TFA. There could easily have been a storyline for him where his decision to turn away from evil and his courage makes him the perfect candidate to lead the new Jedi. Could easily have been a story where he pulls Rey back to the light side.
This would have been an original idea and a natural subversion. No one of would have suspected this. Maybe Kylo Ren could have pulled Rey to the dark side and Finn becomes the hero of the story or something. Or the writers could have done something more with rich people funding both sides of the conflict thing.

Even if Snoke were to be brought back in Episode IX, his character has already been completely gutted and cannot be taken seriously. This new trilogy has a serious lack of villains with menace problem. The OT had Darth Vader, Governor Tarkin, Bobba Fett, and The Emperor. Darth Maul could have been cool if he survived until Episode III and expanded upon.

That would be ACTUAL subversion of expectations, not the fucking hack job Johnson pulled. If they really wanted to break tradition they should have done something crazy like that. With Rey being so God damn perfect and lover by everyone, her turning to the dark side temporarily actually would have made her interesting.

They took no actual chances with this movie. All they did was underwhelm.

All of her MarySueness being poured into becoming the next dark side force user would have also made her a real threat as a villain. Is anyone afraid of Kylo? Does anyone believe he'll win the third duel?

dude I was seriously hoping this would happen

>fanfiction (sic)
It's literally from the movies.

this is the thing I have yet to see any TLJ fan refute

Op fucked up, star wars has always had politics, what you mean is the social issues, (sjw) issues being hamfisted into the movies now

>gag happens
The jokes were painfully unfunny. The theater was die silent besides like maybe two slight chuckles over the whole two hours and thirty minutes.

>the prequel trilogy was all about the death of democracy and was extremely political, are you retarded?

Kill yourself. The effects of all the politics actually affected the narrative in the movies.

> the whole bight subplot was to introduce Rey's dad

Fucking what.

If i read the rest i might get cancer.
fuck off rian johnson

here you go kid since no one wanted to give any (you)s

>Is anyone afraid of Kylo?
No. I counted 5 times in TLJ when it looked like Kylo was about to burst into tears.

That video really hits the nail on the head, so good i actually find myself replying to some stupid tripfag.

>Luke and Anakin are also hurrdurr chosen wun Gary Stus, thats the whole drive of the story

That's wrong as fuck, ninger. Luke didn't fight Vader at all in ANH, in ESB, he gets his ass handed to him. Anikin gets his ass kicked by Dooku in AoTC. Rey beats Kylo in her first movie with zero fucking training.

b-but muh bowcaster

>god-awful acting from all involved, except Adam Driver
And Oscar Isaac, don't forget him.

No explanation, it's just there like a festering boil. Just like everything else in this piece of shit.

Hamill did a good job actually. Shame about the material.

>but isn't Luke supposed to be the strongest Jedi after his father?

Nope. The new cast is flat out better than the old cast. Rey is a better pilot/mechanic than Han. Rey is a better force user than Jedi Master Luke. Presumably the same is true of Kylo.

In fact, it would not surprise me if Leia was going to make Rey the leader of the resistance in IX.

Phasma could have been THE iconic villain of the triology but they utterly wasted all her potential. Phasma should have been a female equivalent of Darth Vader: an utterly badass character that makes everyone shit themselves by her mere presence but they literally threw their only marketable character in the trash.

Rey should have been the first (on-screen) female Sith. That would redeem her character.

I remember being so excited when Phasma entered on screen at the beginning of TFA, and so bewildered and disappointed when they threw her out. I'd have bought a fucking toy if she did anything at all besides look cool. At least Boba Fett managed to be a threat in ESB.

>He made the OT as a Vietnam protest and he made the prequels as anti-Bush movies
no he didn't moron

My friend has the toy of her. I chuckle everytime I see it.

I saw the film in three different theaters. No one laughed at the scene where luke throws the lightsaber over his shoulder.

No one.

The Knights of Ren without Snoke leading them would have been awesome. A group of several dudes idolizing legendary dark side users and hunting down Sith artifacts. Maybe they even hunt down force users. Join them or die. After the death of The Emperor and Darth Vader, a faction of imperial troops commit themselves to the Knights of Ren. Over the course of the trilogy they begin to bicker and slowly turn on one another. No Death Star or similar superweapon. Just guys fighting and dying for what believe in who manage to deliver a devastating blow to the complacent New Republic. Actually, forget large scale conflicts. Keep it a small scale story.

She was the sole reason I was excited for it and it was such a pointlessly-wasteful disappointment. Abrams is such a fucking hack.

Reminder

So how exactly did "The Force"™ protect Leia from the vacuum of space?

I didn't get that part.

Yet another thing set up in TFA that ment fuck-all. If they're so desperate for comic relief, they could had a KoR that was basically an autistic Sith fangirl.

>Based chrome-is-cool-poster.

Finn's character and motivations literally made no sense from the get-go

>raised by FO
>worked in sanitation as a janitor but somehow got sent to the frontlines??
>see his buddy die
>i-i cant do this!!
>defects
>proceeds to kill other soldiers he grew up with
>cheers enthusiastically as he blows up the people he grew up with because finally he is no longer enslaved and forced to kill people

>by Cuck Weakdick

>"Finn don't try and attack that giant space battering ram thing"
>"Finn I'm serious, everyone pull back"
>"NOW!"
>everyone else slows down or turns back while Finn proceeds at full speed
>somehow the fat Azn hits him from the side to knock him out of path and save him

How does this happen logistically?

Midiclorians

Look at this fucking brainlet. Everyone look and laugh. How does that mouse cock taste?

What ever happened to the Knights of Ren? I was really hype about them and they were just dropped

>"We should save the ones we love"
>she says after stopping Finn from saving the ones he loves

It doesn't. It can't.

It's like a lot of stuff in this movie. If luke was only an immaterial force projection how did he hand Leia a physical pair of dice that Kylo also later picked up before they dissapeared.

How was that even supposed to save him? They were right in front of the AT-STs.
It had no point in the story either. It just made Kylo look retarded when he told them to stop killing rebels so he can have a 1v1.

>How was that even supposed to save him? They were right in front of the AT-STs.
Honestly, I thought the story was going to say that the FO thought they were dead and now they were close enough to the cannon to sabotage it up close. But it was nothing and they somehow both survived.

>By Mike StackedPole

the difference is uncanny

Isaac did what he could, but he just seemed so half-hearted with all his delivery. Can't blame him.

Hamill was lousy. Every line was in the same croaky monotone. It's like he got worse over the past 30 years.

Johnson dropped them. Too awkward to insert them back in now so you'll probably never hear from them again.

Then why mention the jedi Ren took again?

>Jedi Killer Bike
God this is edgy