Astroprojection Red Herring

>show X-Wing to establish Luke has the capacity to leave
>Snoke proves astroprojection is possible
>Kylo makes note that anyone but Snoke using astroprojection would kill them
>Luke tells Leia he is going to kill Kylo
>turns out this was just red herring to divert from the astroprojection reveal
>Luke dies
I appreciate when little details weave together like that, but it doesn't make sense why Luke would tell Leia "Imma kill your son hehehe" when he has zero intention or capacity of doing so.

What does Sup Forums think? Is it okay to use red herring in movies to make the final reveal that much more powerful if the red herring is OOC and ultimately doesn't make sense?

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This one bothered me the most op:

>show first order is following rebels across hyperspace
>conceptually we know then there has to be a mole or tracking device inside the rebel fleet
>holdo starts acting shady as shit and trying to send everyone off on a seemingly suicidal plan
>turns that was just a red herring
>first order has magical "tracking tech" that can remotely track the rebels because reasons
>they only installed that tracking tech inside snoke's ship

What the hell is Rian Johnson's obsession with stupid irrealistic remote tracking of things? He pulled that crap in Looper as well.

inb4 hur dur warp drives aren't real so anything goes

>Kylo makes note that anyone but Snoke using astroprojection would kill them
When did he do this?

Fucking this. Only I expected it to be Arya SpaceStark who was the traitor.

He doesn't mention Snoke specifically, the fact that Snoke can do it is independently established, but Kylo says that Rey couldn't astroproject because the effort would kill her.

I don't remember that line at all.

And for every instance they actually weave anything together they have several dozen idiotic moments that outright disdainful of the audience, like:
>It's salt.
>You're not part of the story.

Second time in TLJ where Rey and Kylo meet if I'm not mistaken. Kylo is trying to figure out what is going on and says something along the line of "you're not doing this, the effort would kill you".

I also thought it could be that Finn had some tracker implanted. Or maybe something on Poe's ship.

But no. Magic, remote but conveniently limited and unexplained technology did it!

>Kylo makes note that anyone but Snoke using astroprojection would kill them

How is this a problem? Luke is a stronger force user than Snoke. Why wouldn't he be able to astral project?

The much larger Red Herring is when they mention Luke must have gotten into the base somehow that wasn't the front door. It was either complete luck or Luke knew there was a break in the back of the cave, but it wasn't ever explained.

>conveniently limited and unexplained technology did it
So exactly like the force that the entire series is based around?

That's in reference to making them force bond, not having her astral project to his location.

>How is this a problem?
>proceeds to explain why the OP is wrong for not having a problem
Are you alright?

That's in reference to the two of them being able to talk over light years, the same type of thing Luke does at the end and why the ending isn't a huge asspull.

Luke is a stronger force user than Snoke so his ability to use the force isn't limited as implied in the OP. The astral projection isn't the problem, it's the plan in general.
For it to make any kind of sense Luke would have to know there is another exit that has formed in the back of the base.

Fucking that's who it was. I was wondering why that weird face looked so familiar.

Or blind faith in Rey

And now this post does nothing to clear up the confusion expressed towards your original post, which brings me back to my question. Are you all right?

The force is a fundamental and well estabilished element of that universe, not a one-off lazily implemented plot device.

They weren't astral protecting to each other though, they were just communicating with each other. The force bond is an EU thing Disney's dug up from the grave. Just because they could see each other doesn't mean they projected copies of themselves to their respective locations. Luke couldn't even see Kylo Ren until they felt extremely connected.

>it's a POE-TAY-TOE, not a POE-TAH-TOE!
I honestly don't give a fuck about your nonsensical distinctions and whatever motivation you may have to bend over backwards with made up science fiction jargon to fool some random person on the internet into thinking a bad movie is actually worse.

That only makes them think of the ice fox things. Plus this is before its revealed Luke is a projection.
>x-wing was underwater and various parts are used in lukes house
>Luke doesn't say he is going to kill Kylo, only that he can't save him

I don't remember your second and third point ever happening. They don't mention astral projection. They barely even mention the fact Kylo and Rey can see each other

You could have just not responded, that would have been preferable to you acting like a blithering retard when you lost the argument. Force bonds are between two people, astral projection is making a copy for everyone to see. Go men senpai.

>y-you're just retarded for responding to my stupid post!
I was being polite.

Also watch the fucking movie. Luke saw Kylo when Rey and Kylo were talking to each other. It's exceptionally pathetic that you are just making up terms and rules with no basis in the fictional, made up setting just so you can bitch about it online.

So this... is the power of Disney fanboys.

>retard says something retarded
>gets called out
>y-you're just a f-f-fanboy!
I didn't even like the movie, dipshit. No amount of red herring is going to help you here.

>movie hammers it down for the audience that they have a special force bond
>NO THEY WERE TALKING VIA ASTRAL PROJECTION BECAUSE KYLO WAS IN THE SHOT SO THAT MEANS HE SAW ACTUALLY SAW HIM EVEN THOUGH THE SHOT AFTERWARDS IMPLIED HE WASN'T A PROJECTION AND WAS BASICALLY THERE FOR THE AUDIENCE AND DRAMATIC EFFECT!
I think you need to watch a few more movies to learn how these things work

Snoke outright stated he was the one allowing the two of them to communicate, you absolute retard.

You are mad, does this look like the kind of post someone who isn't assmad would make?

>I honestly don't give a fuck about your nonsensical distinctions and whatever motivation you may have to bend over backwards with made up science fiction jargon to fool some random person on the internet into thinking a bad movie is actually worse.

You are wrong so you've resorted to attacking your perception of my motivations (which are wrong).

>I was being polite.

No you weren't, don't make me laugh.

>Luke saw Kylo when Rey and Kylo were talking to each other.

Yeah, I mentioned that earlier too. He only saw them that ONE time because they were extremely close to each other at that point. That was a brief astral projection brought about by them being so focused on each other. What is your explanation for Luke not seeing or hearing Kylo up until that one scene even when he was supposedly astral protecting right in front of them.

Yeah, and only he could have forced a force bond like that without killing himself.

>HURR DURR IMMA KILL YOUR SON
liteally didn't happen in the movie. he told her that nobody is truly ever gone, meaning he was going to redeem his son. i swear you people literally have NOT watched the movie.

>no, you don't understand, that part that proves me wrong is just an exception to the rule I just made up because I said so, so believe my pointless distinctions of the same damn thing
You just keep going. I'm honestly getting curious how long you will keep saying the same bullshit with zero basis in actual Star Wars.

Dude, calm thine tits. Luke did indeed say that he was going to face Kylo and that he didn't think he could turn him back.

>astroproject

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection

Holy fuck you people are retarded.

You sadly didn't intend on it, but this is the most ironic post I've read all day. Thanks for the laugh.

>why Luke would tell Leia "Imma kill your son hehehe"

maybe this was meant for the 3rd movie

If anyone hasn't figured out yet, killing luke was a last minute decision.. that's why it was so awkward and hamill didn't even know until the premier (and likely because they wanted to fire him for all the shitalking he's done)

God, I hate this movie.

What am I being proven wrong at? What are you trying to say here? I really don't get it. They had a force bond imposed on them that allowed them to communicate, then they accidentally astral project once, what? Why does the entire thing have to be astral projection? It's obvious that's not what's going on until the one scene that I already said existed in , yet you're acting like I'm making some huge backtrack to fill some leap in logic.

>Arya SpaceStark
Who?

youtube.com/watch?v=OqBpZjm2s-g

>>Kylo makes note that anyone but Snoke using astroprojection would kill them
what did he mean by this?

I liked it. Or rather, it was better than I thought it would be. There were a few things that lit my autism on fire though. Like the hyperspace ramming and the fact that turbolaser shots arced "down" despite no gravity well being near by.

Just have the shots miss. I mean, goddam. It's not even about dumbing anything down for the audience. You are adding details that simply don't make sense. The original Star Wars was only good because it was space battles in a setting that felt lived in and fleshed out. Having weapons that don't arc "downward" and thus appear that much more alien or high tech would only add to the perceived depth of the universe.

Fuck I'm ranting.

what a stupid thing to try to draw a distinction between oh, they established you can be seen by another person, not several people so being seen by several people came out of nowhere. learn how to watch a movie

>>show X-Wing to establish Luke has the capacity to leave
If only Luke had the capability to remove the x wing from the water, perhaps in a way that shows he has gone full circle. And maybe, i don't know, the force ghost of one of his previous masters could show up and show his approval

>Yeah, and only he could have forced a force bond like that without killing himself.
stop making shit up faggot

Kylo says Rey even talking to him across that distance would kill her, Luke ended up doing alot more

Wait, are you trying to deny that Rey and Kylo could see each other during their "episodes"

>the fact that turbolaser shots arced "down" despite no gravity well being near by.
Holy shit. Is this when the ships were being bombarded? When was this in the movie?

... and he died.

Luke didn't force bond with every single person on the salt planet to astral project, that's just dumb. They're obviously different kinds of abilities, the only similarity is that they both allow people to be seen across the galaxy.

Everything u posted is wrong

You are a next level fanboy
So angry that this movie is shit that u try to weave in your own imagination to make things better

The entire fucking movie is the Resistance-and-totally-not-the-Rebellion fleet getting bombarded by arcing turbolaser shots. The entire movie. Every shot they fire arcs "down". I went to the dentist right out of the theatre because of all the teeth grinding I was doing.

>OP - *bitches about movie*
>user - u are like little baby, watch this
>user - *bitches about the bitching*
Teach me to be cancer like you, senpai.

It's in the movie you tard, go download it and watch the throne room scene again. Snoke is the one who bonded them in the first place. A force bond has a very specific meaning in Star Wars EU and it's not simply being able to look at someone from far away.

Prove it faggot.

>only he could have forced a force bond like that
>without killing himself.
>without killing himself.
>without killing himself.

I figured that's what you were talking about. Now that I think about it I realize how stupid that looks. They must have wanted it to look new or different but they fucked up.

The X-Wing has been down there for who knows how long. There was no way after he changed his mind that it was going to be salvageable in time to arrive at the pivotal moment.

So he did the only thing he could, and the thing that he felt right doing: giving the next generation a chance to go on without him. Because masters are surpassed by students.

>There was no way after he changed his mind that it was going to be salvageable in time to arrive at the pivotal moment.
It's built for space, it's sitting in water 15 feet deep. fucking idiot.

i think sheev was force projecting in the prequels. fucker was everywhere through all the events. i imagine he was in person with the senate and projecting himself to advise the trade federation and separatists

>astroprojection

...

>I also thought it could be that Finn had some tracker implanted

It was implied because Hux said he had a plan of knowing what the rebels were up to and then it was an immediate cut to Finn's head shot.

What was the fucking point of the force hologram if Luke was just gonna fucking die anyway? The only way the force hologram is cool is if Luke is actually completely out of harm's way and just distracting Kylo. Then it would show how hard Luke tooled Kylo.

Instead he just fucking dies.
Why not have him actually show up and make some sort of heroic sacrifice if the end result is him dying anyway?

CHRIST THIS MOVIE MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE

>Luke is a stronger force user than Snoke
According to who? We don't know anything about Snoke. Everything suggest that TFA Snoke is stronger than Luke, but TLJ Snoke is pretty much a different character. Althoguh I doubt Luke has the power to force project two people toghether while forceprojecting himself pretty much killed him.

>They barely even mention the fact Kylo and Rey can see each other
No, they can touch their hands and Kylo ask her specifically if she can see his souroundings like she was there. He thinks she's force-projecting herself that's why he says that would kill her.

kill yourself disney fag

>shit on the disney movies
>get called disneyfag
hello Sup Forums

Fisher's daughter. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Connix

Nothing in your post shit on disney wars you fucking retard. Also Luke is stronger than snoke. Also nothing to do with Sup Forums fucking newfag.

>Point out how the consistency between the two disney movies is pretty much nonexistent
>Brainlet Sup Forumstard gets triggered

Also yes, Snoke is suposed to be the strongest force user ever, even a reincarnation of Plagueis himself, according to many hints, they even used the Plagueis theme from ROTS in his fucking soundtrack in TFA. TLJ is just shit.

>>Brainlet
Sup Forumstard
>triggered
>Snoke is suposed to be the strongest force user ever
according to serkis? What other hints? JJ had no idea who or what snoke was, he has no back story at all. He was going to be a woman until a couple of months before release. John used the plagueis theme because he didnt give a fuck any more.

I'm not user, but he explained it pretty clearly. Sounds like you are having a hard time. I thought it would be worthwhile to let you know you're a dumbass. OK carry on

Well those are the pieces anyways. I don't think Williams used that track just because. It was at the very least one of the possibilities they had in mind before Rian decided to kamikaze the entire trilogy with his intellectualism.

you've got no fucking clue shut the fuck up retarded youngfag.