The First Order conquered the Galaxy with little more than 60 Destroyers

> The FIRST ORDER reigns. Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy.

> merciless legion

> starwars.wikia.com/wiki/First_Order_Navy#Ships

It's canon.

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>Implying he needed ships after threatening the entire galaxy with estrogen-fueled hyperspace missiles and Kylo's poetry.

Just turn your brain off goy

This to be fair

Even if their fleet was pathetic, they still had starkiller base which could destroy entire solar systems from across the galaxy.

Just threaten planets with that and you can get whatever you want.

>60 Destroyers
Star Wars authors have literally never had a good sense of scale, mouse or no mouse. Karen Traviss used to be infamous for her abject refusal to crunch the numbers for a galactic scale war.

>muh 3 million clones

Wasn't it stated somewhere that a bunch of planets surrendered to them?

It was destroyed right after they used it.

Traviss was rightfully raked over the coals for that, but you have to respect the balls on her for calling her detractors "Talifans"

>Tatooine is on major trade route
I though Tatooine was the most obscure of obscurest shitholes
Also
>Kinooine
Is it, dare I say, /oursystem/?

>Dagobah on major trade route
>Hoth on major trade route

I'm never going to be able to unsee this. Thanks a lot, user.

Maybe its just cus I'm a nerd, but this shit really fucking pisses me off
I could deal with Vice-admiral Gender Studies and Luke being a loser hermit if the fundamentals of the universe seemed clear

I was looking for Hoth but couldn't find so I assumed at least they got that one right.
>Spend 2 years using most of Imperial resources to locate rebel fucking shits on some cold piece of barren ice
>"Yea dude, we get about 100 ships coming in daily, Thon Thon milk and Wapma shit are a real delicacy you know"

this galaxy is fucking tiny.

Real stupid of them to have made it so small desu. There's up to 400 billion stars in the milky way, even a tiny galaxy would have at least a hundred billion.

>Thon Thon

To be fair, we learned in the prequels that the races of the galaxy are a bunch of pussies who have no planetary militaries to combat any sort of threat, hence having to rely on clones.

I blame this
youtube.com/watch?v=ahA9S-f2Vlg

Was The Last Jedi set too late? What are they resisting? How did the rebels fail to become the new dominant power? How did the first order come to power?

You mean sci fi writers failed once again to grasp the scale of their setting and what a galactic civilization would entail in sheer numbers ? No sir, that's definitely a first and you should definitely blame Didney for that fuckup.
Fucking moron

The original trilogy rebels/republic dissolved their military as soon as peace was established because ''only bad guys have armies''

>Didney
Spastic

there were battles in ww2 that had millions of soldiers.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk

Is the 3 million clones thing canon?

>Dude good guys must be underdogs lmao
>Can't show terrorists in bad like because Muslims=Terrorists and Muslims=Good so Terrorists=Good Guys
Call me stupid but didn't most Sci-Fi Writers back in the day used to have some sort of Military/Civil Service experience so what they wrote actually had some resemblance of nuance?
Because going by the Map in the OP and NuWars, it seems that writers think of stuff in the Movie not from the in-universe perspective
>Dagobah is a nightmare jungle world, Joda is a Master Jedi hiding on it because its on no ones radar/near impossible to survey for a small goblin thing who blends in
but from meta perspective
>Dagobah was in the movies there it must be a really important system!
So that is how you end up with stretched Executors, Star "That is no no DeathStar! thats a planet!" Killer, Gorilla AT-ATs and Tatooine being an important part of Galactic Trade.

Its worse
When Obi-Wan visits Kamino the Long-neck dude says they have "200,000 units ready now with more on the way"

Never explained because they "didn't want boring political stuff" because "people didn't like it in the prequels." There's some supplemental materials that basically say they did it for no reason. Idk man, whoever is in charge of this new shit just doesn't really seem that interested in Star Wars.

It was considered canon for the EU, but only because Traviss was the main author exploring the clone troopers concept in detail.

IIRC the controversy was about the word "Units". Traviss interpreted that to mean individual soldiers, while her detractors said that had to mean something like platoons.

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don't forget this happened within hours from the destruction of Starkiller Base

>Can't show terrorists in bad like because Muslims=Terrorists and Muslims=Good so Terrorists=Good Guys
Except they literally introduced a terrorist rebel faction in Rogue One and expanded on it in other canon media, you absolute clueless retard.

>a moron who didn't bother researching anything about background lore is shocked when he doesn't magically know background lore

Except that terrorist faction in Rogue one is one guy who does nothing, and the other incident you're referring to is in Rebels, where it's the same dude, and his terrorism is being rude to a Geonosian and getting told to stop being a meanie.

youtube.com/watch?v=OeIzBe46xMk

Shouldn't the damage be even greater in TLJ by a factor of a million+? They can travel 60,000 light years in a short period of time (from Core worlds to Wild space)

Yes, that one guy, we know.

The rebels DID become the the dominant power in the form of the New Republic. The Resistance were a group of fighters lead by Leia Solo to defend against the rise of the First Order after Mon Mothma disbanded the republic military after the signing of the Galactic Concordance which allowed the Imperial Remnant to exist and function, however was not allowed to form an army, take control of planets, or produce weapons. Mon stupidly assumed that the Remnant would follow these orders despite the disagreement of Leia and other New Republic senators.
The imperial remnant fucked off into the unknown regions where they proceeded to break every established rule and re-emerged as the First Order. The new republic, now having not had an official military for years, were unprepared and The Resistance were forced to fight on their behalf. Keep in mind that at this point the Resistance was smaller than the rebels ever were, and even the first order was nowhere near the size of the Empire. That's why they have such a small fleet by the time of TFA.
It wasn't until their destruction of the New Republic capital planets in the Hosnian system that the First order actually rose above a now crippled New Republic. This is seen in TFA and the fallout of what happens next can be followed in the films.

Sources:
Star Wars: Bloodlines
Star Wars: Aftermath Trilogy

Some corrections - the New Republic did have a navy. It was just greatly reduced, only 10% the size it was during the Galactic Civil War. Instead, they decentralized the military, encouraging its member system to build their own defense forces.

So, the New Republic's fleet wasn't disbanded, it was just relatively small, and stationed in the Hosnian system. I mean for fuck's sake, TFA mentions the New Republic fleet being lost in the Hosnian Cataclysm, and Poe brings up his rank in the New Republic navy in TLJ. How have you idiots missed that?

The opening crawl quoted by OP is from TLJ. Turns out that the First Order didn't need a super weapon to rule the galaxy.

What exactly do these planets trade with each other?

Why not just colonise an uninhabited planet that has the resources you need, instead of paying an already inhabited planet for those resources?

Dagobah may be along the way, but there's nothing there so one would stop. Tatooine is in the Outer Rim and there's not much beyond it aside from Ryloth. So it's basically just a truck stop. It also has a tiny popular compared to other systems.

He, and many that followed him, his Partisans.

In the comics, Benthic almost executed Luke, Leia and Han on the account of their distrust for the core Rebellion. He had also executed surrendering, cooperative Imperials. In the Inferno Squad novel, Partisans, now known as Dreamers were targeting Imperial facilities, planning to blow it up during a literal school trip.

Like most others anons on Sup Forums, the guy went "muh PC SJW Disney won't show terrorists" was just full of shit. What a shocker.

It did. It needed to destroy the Senate and the New Republic fleet. That way it would be able to take the member worlds of the New Republic by surprise, with no galactical government to organize them - everyone having to fend off against the First Order of their own.

Why the fuck is that so hard for everyone to visualize?

>disbanded the republic military
>allowed the Imperial Remnant to exist
>didn't monitor Remnant activity
>Resistance formed even though there's nothing to resist
>Mon Mothma allows militarized Resistance to exist for no reason

Was this written by a downie paid in ice cream sandwiches?

The remnant was impossible to monitor in the Unknown Regions. And this user
is right.

The Resistance formed in preparation of the return of the Remnant because unlike Mon, Leia was smart enough to not trust them.

> Implying the writers thought this through

They could have lightspeed rammed the planets. It would have been less expensive than building the Starkiller base. On top of that, TLJ takes place a couple of days after TFA at best. If Rey's training and Holdo's chase happened at the same time, The First Order went from underdog to Empire 2.0 in a few hours.

>Putting women in charge of anything

>The first order went from underdog to empire.
Yes, because they destroyed the Senate and the new republic. Why are you struggling to understand this? The Galaxy is governmentless at the start of TLJ

Didn't George Lucas want to put in a ton of fluff into the original movie but was advised against it in post? You can tell the originals had some depth to them though, like there was thought put into things we never actually saw or heard about.

These new movies feel like there was barely any thought put into the stuff they ARE showing us. And the prequels felt a lot more fleshed out than this. And this comes from someone who enjoyed TLJ.

Lightspeed ramming a planet wouldn't work. Snokes ship is a fraction of the size of even the death star.

They might break through the surface, but any ship they launch at a normal sized planet would be dust by the time it reached the core.

You should realize there are rules to this kind of thing

If the EU is destroyed countries in Europe don't fall apart lol they still have their own national governments running them

Honestly man, you shouldn't lower yourself to even try and defend this. The amount of suspension of disbelief required is just insulting everyone's intelligence. Mon Mothma has just conveniently and implausibly allowed this situation to happen for no reason, letting the defenseless military power go into the unknown regions and not making any effort to monitor them.

The fact that you had to dig this deep to create a plausible "terrorists are bad" narrative is a stronger argument for his point than anything he said himself.

nu Wars isn't canon

What do you expect? They're pumping them out one a year. TFA had no ideas apart from recreating ANH and setting up non-mysteries for later entries to follow on.
They don't have a plan.

No matter how you put it, the writing is crazy stupid. A galaxy is made of billions of planets and alien species. All of them are pussies who depend on a tiny rebel force to survive, according to SW. The fact that the new republic made no effort whatsoever to check the remnants of the Empire is baffling. You'd think someone would try to conquer an unarmed galactic republic.

And individual planets still have their governments when Hosnian is destroyed, however none of them are large enough to actually hold their own against the first order. These are the people that Leia calls for at the end of TLJ that don't show up.

It's all stupidly straight forward actually.

I mean if ya got the resources too make a super weapon that destroys planets, why would you not?

Not him, but that is, frankly, a stupid argument. They instantly cut through a good 15-20km of warship with enough leftover energy to frag the fleet behind him. That's about a dozen mass extinction events rolled into one if it hit a planet.

>disbanded the republic military
Decentralized. So that no single person would control all of it. You know, to prevent another Palpatine. As said in in , they instead encouraged member worlds to build their own defense forces.

>allowed the Imperial Remnant to exist
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_remnant_(Core_and_Inner_Rim)
There was an Imperial remnant that did obey the terms of the Galactic Concordance and was under strict supervision. It dissolved eventually, and many of its world eventually sought to join the New Republic.

>didn't monitor Remnant activity
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_remnant_(Cold_war)
Now, the Unkown Regions is a different matter entirely - only select few Imperials were chosen by Gallius Rax to receive rendezvous in the Unkown Regions to form what would be the First Order.
It's not exactly easy to monitor uncharted parts of the galaxy.

>Resistance formed even though there's nothing to resist
Resistance was formed to oppose the First Order's increasing threat, a threat that the Senate was too passive to recognize.

>Mon Mothma allows militarized Resistance to exist for no reason
>because unlike Mon, Leia was smart enough to not trust them.
By the time of Bloodline, Mon Mothma was no longer in power, and retired from politics due to health issues. She retired from politics due to health issues, and couldn't do anything about eitherthe First Order or the Resistence.

Yeah, and that's pretty much the situation there. For the sake of argument, think of the galaxy like of Europe invaded by Russia after EU and NATO was suddenly obliterated.

>Lightspeed ramming a planet wouldn't work.
Sure it would. The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was smaller than Snoke's ship, but still killed 75% of things living on the surface because it fucked the ecology so bad. Also, that asteroid wasn't moving anywhere close to light speed.

They should've made Snoke a regional commander or something.

It's impossible to check on the remnant because they were hiding in the unknown regions at coordinates only those close with Emperor Palpatine had known

>And individual planets still have their governments when Hosnian is destroyed, however none of them are large enough to actually hold their own against the first order
it's still incredibly retarded that mere hours after the destruction of Starkiller Base, the FO already took control of THE ENTIRE FUCKING GALAXY

It literally is.

The dinosaurs weren't all killed at once idiot

Lightspeed ramming a planet with a golf ball would cause enough damage to cause a mass extinction and destroy the surface.

> Finally, at 99.9999999997% the speed of light (the speed of electrons in the LEP, the predecessor of the LHC) the kinetic energy is just under 400,000 MT. This would be the impact equivalent of a high-speed iron core meteorite that is several ten kilometers across: a global, extinction-level event significantly surpassing the one that killed the dinosaurs.

quora.com/What-would-happen-if-a-golf-ball-flew-straight-to-Earth-at-the-speed-of-light

>It's all stupidly straight forward actually.

Yes, the entire foundation of the new canon being "Mon Mothma went crazy and everyone gave her absolute power anyway" is stupidly straightforward, with an emphasis on stupid.

If you fools would just buy the Disney Canon, Young teen, fanfic books the shitshow on display in the theater would make sense.
Give Disney your fucking sheckels, goy!

What is the point of death stars if hyperspace objects can interact with real space?

Just send a fighter with a booster ring into a planet. Understand that this scene ruins the entire universe.

And all of these excuses don't seem, well, stupid, to you? I mean, decentralized or disbanded military, every planet developing their own militaries even though half of them are probably Imperial sympathizers. Yet somehow in spite of decentralized military, everyone is suddenly defenseless when a handful of planets are blown up, even though the whole point of decentralizing was to avoid concentration of power?

This doesn't strike you as, how do I put this? Really flimsy fucking excuses by authors trying desperately to make sense out of some really fucking dumb movie canon? I've never actually met anyone trying to defend this new universe as a whole, you're kind of a unicorn here.

Are you legit retarded? Asteroids can cause mass extinctions. Imagine a 2km ship moving 10000 faster than any asteroid could. Planet wouldn't explode but it would be fucked beyond hope. No life would survive.

It's FTL so the energy is orders of magnitude greater than that.

Correct me if I am wrong but Republic/Empire was supposed to have thousands of worlds under their administration.
Logically they would have been divided up into administrative regions, each with their own "capitals" that would further be subdivided into "counties".
Wouldn't it make more sense for a system without habitable worlds but say rich mineral fields be part of a trade route than a dust ball shithole hideout for Hutts, pirates and all sorts of scoundrels?
And if Dagobah is along the way, it would imply that there would be some sort of station or a refueling point, but in that case why would have Joda chosen such a system.
I believe most of these trade routes are centuries, if not millennia old.

Its stupid to put worlds like Hoth, Dagobah and Tatooine as part of Major trade lanes, which on a galactic scale would imply a traffic of thousands of ships each day, when their whole shtick is that they are irrelevant backwater worlds that Imperial bureaucracy probably isn't even aware exist. These weren't supposed to be towns along Route 66 but middle of nowhere trailer parks in bumfuck nowhere.

Was no one who served the New Republic also a Servant of the Old? As I recall Old republic also had no military and was cought by the Trade Federation with their pants down.
>Decentralizing on a Galactic scale
Another case of "Sci-Fi writers have no sense of scale". I you might say this is similar to NATO but if anything this sounds more similar to HRE, what is to stop infighting if there is no policing by the Big Guy?
And how decentralized? System by System? Or were there kingdoms/Federations/Unions within the Republic that would hold dozens, hundred systems under them?
It was because of inactivity of Old Republic that Palpatine managed to build up but 2 armies and fight a galactic war between them. And now the New guys turn around and do the same thing the Old Rep did because Empire was really mean and we can't have centralized authority?
Stupid.

>They could have lightspeed rammed the planets.
Meme argument that doesn't hold water. Before you pull some math stuff, real life physics don't matter in fiction, either.

>it's still incredibly retarded that mere hours after the destruction of Starkiller Base, the FO already took control of THE ENTIRE FUCKING GALAXY
>The First Order went from underdog to Empire 2.0 in a few hours.
Well, the actual quote goes...

"Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy."

As in, has just now sent out the fleet to besiege most major systems. "The First Order reigns" is easily simply a statement to its strength, its success in becoming the largest power at the moment. They definitely don't have as firm a grip on the galaxy as the Empire did, in fact, it's unlikely they have established a permanent government on any of the systems yet, whether already occupied or not.

>It's da jews
When will alt-right chucklefucks fuck off from Star Wars for good?

>It needed to destroy the Senate and the New Republic fleet.
Yeah, because the entire New Republic Fleet was in a single star system, just hanging out.
Because the New Republic's first decree was to get rid of their military.
You know, a move that directly re-created the conditions by which the Emperor could take over the Republic, by instating his own loyal military, under the guise of fighting a fucking corporation that had bigger military capacity than the Republic.

You can try to dig through the stupid to find a reason why it's that way, but the reason is always just even more stupidity.

This is not only retarded, it also shits all over OT. Everything they achieved means nothing and Mon Mothma turned out to be a retard.

Bravo Disney.

> Understand that this scene ruins the entire universe.


Holdo's sacrifice already ruined the Disney-verse. That's what happens in TLJ.

We saw it carve through 20km of warship instantly and frag the fleet behind it. That is JUST based on what we've seen on screen, with no extrapolation or math. That could effortlessly wipe out all life on a planet, and would also be the basis for all interstellar warfare. You're embarrassing yourself here.

>As in, has just now sent out the fleet to besiege most major systems.

A minute ago some guy told me the militaries were decentralized, therefore most of the Republic's military capability would be perfectly intact.

>Yet somehow in spite of decentralized military, everyone is suddenly defenseless when a handful of planets are blown up, even though the whole point of decentralizing was to avoid concentration of power?
We haven't went in-depth about remaining New Republic systems yet, at all. So far we have only followed the Resistance. I genuinely hope that by Episode IX, they'll team up with the New Republic remnants, which I hope will clear some of that stuff up for casual watchers.

Why are the unknown regions unknown ?

Nobody knows

Them literally hitting the undo button on Han's character development and making Luke into a cowardly NEET wasn't enough so I guess they had to ruin Mon Mothma too. It's really a credit to the accomplishments of the OT characters just how much the writers had to take liberties with the universe to hit the reset button.

No one mapped them out yet. No one but the Emperor, with the aid of Thrawn. That's why the First Order ended up being the only ones knowing the area.

>Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy
so basically now we go back to questioning how a "fraction" of the empire managed to come up NOT ONLY with a larger death star, BUT ALSO a larger capital ship, larger walker tanks and a fleet capable of taking over the entire galaxy. Just admit it, it's fucking stupid and trite garbage

OT brought down the original Empire, achieved 30 years of peace and freedom, and inspired a generation. That's plenty achievement already.

It's dangerous to go into hyperspace except on charted hyperspace lanes.

You still don't fucking get it.

THERE IS NO REPUBLIC MILITARY ANYMORE

It was destroyed on Hosnian. What remains are are the small planetary militaries that could never stand up to the FO

Yeah? We haven't because they weren't accounted for. Nor were any of these other elements you're presenting post-hoc rationalizations for. Why are you eating up this rat's nest of excuses so enthusiastically? You're sitting here serving me up a piping hot plate of "Mon Mothma went insane or something" lore and telling me to eat it up. Did you buy a bunch of stock in the company or something?

It's unknown... C'mon!! it was right there... you must always seek to recognise an opportunity for the pun

Puns are for Reddit

why are there so much habitable planets in the galaxy? the odds of any planet found in our milky way galaxy that can support life is 1 in a billion

They started in 5 ABY, with at least several Imperial Star Destroyers and one Super Star Destroyer from the get go, along with archives full of Imperial research. None of which the Republic was aware of.
The had 30 years to prepare for all of that, while the Senate was doing nothing, ignoring any problems that they didn't have to face.

> Meme argument that doesn't hold water. Before you pull some math stuff, real life physics don't matter in fiction, either.

Bullshit counter argument. What they did is like making 7 war movies set in ancient Rome, only to reveal in the 8th movie that machine guns were available all along. It breaks the consistency of the story.

Tracing space highways takes a lot of time and resources. The ones used in the movies are usually thousands of years old. For some reason tracing and holding lightspeed paths in the unknown regions is very difficult due to interferences.

Because it's a fucking space opera, not real life

Watching people defend shit that makes no sense with other shit that makes no sense is cracking me up.
Treating star wars as some lofty intellectual pursuit is nearly criminal stupidity.
Sourcing hack writers and glorified fanfic authors as if it were your doctoral thesis?
My sides.
Conglaturations on your Ph.D in Disney fanboyism, user.
It was time we'll spent.

>Star Wars authors have literally never had a good sense of scale

Lucas himself did, but only regarding movies. CG Clone Wars still steered into pathetic minimalism from time to time, despite his involvement, even when dropping a dozen additional CGI destroyer models into the background would not have cost them anything. Though on the other hand kilometer-long warships get blown up left and right in that series, and nobody ever considers that a significant loss.

It all makes perfect sense and is incredibly easy to follow

Dangerous how?

where were these in the movies

I think all they trade is spices and different colored milk.

Terraforming technology.

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I don't get it because you fucking people keep contradicting yourselves. Does the Republic have a military? If not, they can't keep control of different systems or keep the Remnant in check or enforce the treaty with them. If they don't have a military, are they a collection of planetary defense forces? If they are and they are sufficient to keep the remnant in check and enforce the treaty and keep control, were all of the planetary defense forces as Hosnian? If they are so militarily weak in a galaxy with divided loyalties and only short term peace, why was Mon Mothma kept in charge if she went insane by becoming a pacifist for no reason? Quit trying to rationalize this, this canon is a fucking dumpster fire.

I don't understand why Mon Mothma trying to prevent another Palpatine by not giving too much military power to the position of the Chancellor is insane. It's not like what she did was total disarmament. They just didn't want to stand as the overwhelming military power that the Empire was.

Here's 30

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets#List_of_exoplanets_in_the_optimistic_habitable_zone