It's before the release of TLJ and you are in charge of writing a backstory about this guy which explains who he is...

It's before the release of TLJ and you are in charge of writing a backstory about this guy which explains who he is, why he is so powerful and where he has been all the time.
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LOL JUST NEVER EXPLAIN IT TO MAKE HIM EXTRA MYSTERIOUS XD

He is Darth Plagueis The Wise

>Darth Plagueis
but he is kill by Sheev

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It'd be dumb but plagueis is better than literally NOTHING

He's a piece of gum from under Palpatine's coffee table that become sentient due to a concentration of the Force in his bedroom

Papa Palpadine fucked a titty walrus

The emperor survived getting thrown down that shaft but now he looks even more fucked up.

Done

>literally just have him be one of Palpatine’s Inquistors
>have Luke say he’s hunted Jedi with Vader since Order 66
>trusted enough in bureaucracy to make him Supreme Leader
Done. Was that so hard?

He's actually Chancellor Valorum. After getting BTFO'd by Palpatine he went into voluntary exile into the Outer Rim, searching for a means to regain power......and he found it; the dark side of the force

thats what we call a mediocre twist, its a hell of a lot better than "he's some guy"

Palpatine posessed Vaders dead corpse and jumped out of the funeral pyre while Luke wasn't looking and then stole the crashed ship from the well movie and then personally started building a bigger death star and a bigger super star destroyer in space without a helmet flying around like super Leia with a hammer and some nails all why psychically telling mom mothma to be retarded and fun and the new republic military

Duh

This
They had a great explanation that could tie the whole saga together if executed right, and they just ignored it

He was one of the Guardians of the Whills like Lor San Tekka and Chirrut Imwe. He was a keeper of knowledge of the Force for decades, eventually discovered he was Force sensitive, and after the death of Sheev decided the galaxy needed a new dark side ruler

idk it's dumb as fuck Snoke doesn't need a reason for existing, his role in the story is to die to facilitate Kylo's rise

>he could save others from death, but not himself.

Maybe he tricked Sheev using force projection or doppleganger. It would have been pottery

He also turned Kylo to the Dark Side. We ever gonna figure out what keeps him there and what temptation he struggles with? I guess not, the motivation of our main antagonist is pretty boring.

but what if darth plagueis was so powerful in the force he could prevent even himself from dying?

Snoke is who Luke transferred the dark power in his body to. After Yoda died, the light power within Yoda inhabited Luke (Luke of course did not know enough to use this to it's full potential). After Darth Sidious died, the dark power that was in Sidious inhabited Luke's body. After Darth Vader died, the dark power and light power within Vader inhabited Luke's body. At that point the force was balanced within Luke similar to that mosaic that water was dropping into in the cave in The Last Jedi. When he was trying to train jedis some of the dark power within Luke transferred into some of the students including Kylo Ren. This is why Leia says that Snoke corrupted Kylo. This dark power in Luke was why Luke briefly considered killing Kylo. The dark power that was in Snoke has possibly started inhabiting both Kylo and Rey.

Clone of Luke grown by Sheev for a future body transfer, corrupted in the test tube and brought to life by Luke's own insecurities about being a teacher of the force when he was never formally trained, especially when some students die under his instruction.

He's actually pretty weak, but he's very talented at mental manipulation to the point where his brute strength doesn't matter.
Everything he used against Rey was actually Kylo, but with him being a near puppet master
When Kylo breaks control, there's absolutely nothing he can do to stop him, which is why he dies so unceremoniously.

This also explains why Luke sensed Kylo's darkness and was moving to kill him; he was actually very temporarily swayed by Snoke, who was also manipulating Kylo.
Luke then hides, partially worried that Snoke might be able to manipulate his actions, but mostly because he's so furious at him that he feels he'll fall to the dark side if he actually meets face to face.
We also find out that the reason for Starkiller base was actually to kill Luke Skywalker; Snoke is absolutely terrified of Luke ever hunting him down, which is why he wanted to find his location and then blow up the planet.

looks like sarah hyland's stent-neck. someone shoop this

Disney won't explain anything in the movies
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This is the most reasonable theory I've seen until now.

He is Darth Plaguesis who actually survived Sheev's murder attempt.

That's it.

>A powerful Sith lord who abandoned the order and was presumed dead.
>Retreated to the Unknown Regions to expand his abilities.
>Became strong with the Force, but saw it only as a tool rather than a way of life.
>Adopted the identity of "Snoke" and began amassing power once the Empire fell, bankrolling the First Order.
>Used the Force to expand his lifespan, but his body was withering away.
>Corrupted Kylo Ren due to the strength of the Skywalker bloodline, intending to transfer his mind into Kylo's body once it was weakened by Kylo severing all of his emotional ties.
>Foresaw his own death and allowed Kylo to strike him down so his mind could latch onto Kylo's like a parasite.

darth mual
that's how his species looks like when they get old

Which is why he's so fucked up, Sheev wrecked him but failed at killing him.

It's predictable and a bit boring but at least it's something.

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I like this one. It explains why Kylo would join Snoke, since he's literally a version of Luke who hates Luke.

Luke, Lor San Tekka, and a mysterious, wealthy alien named Snoke (or perhaps he had an alias) were all historians of the Force, and in early post-ROTJ days, they traveled the galaxy seeking answers about the Jedi, Sith, etc. I believe that while Tekka and Luke mostly believed in the teachings of the Jedi, I think Snoke fancied the Sith and the lavish, powerful ways that the Emperor lived his life. In fact, if we're going off of canon comics, Snoke may have had access to the Sith artifacts that Lando Calrissian was in possession of, fueling his interest in the Dark Side.

Meanwhile, Leia and Han encourage Luke to take their adolescent son, Ben, to his new Jedi Academy for training. Ben meets Lor San Tekka and Snoke since they are heavily invested in Luke's school. During this time, Snoke recognizes Ben's raw power and whispers secrets of the Dark Side in an attempt to turn him, whenever Luke is not aware.

What if something happened between Luke and Snoke and there was a disagreement... Snoke sought to corrupt Luke's young students and teach them the ways of the Dark Side. Luke, being the pacifist he is, tried his best to dissuade Snoke until the alien tried to fight him. In defense, Luke did everything he could to protect his students to being exposed to the Dark Side and brutally wounded Snoke, slashing across his face and creating the horrific scars we see in TLJ. Snoke scurried away to some corner of the galaxy, licked his wounds, and began scheming of ways to exact his revenge on Luke. Using his wealth and power, Snoke easily found himself in the top tiers of First Order leadership and began buying more and more equipment from profiteers on Canto Bight to create an improved military.

Snoke was able to connect Rey and Kylo Ren through the Force in TLJ, so he does a similar tactic by inserting visions of Ben committing horrifying actions like genocide into Luke's mind whenever Luke tries to read Ben. Ben is given visions of Luke plotting to kill him, making the young man lose faith in his uncle and become paranoid. Luke, a champion of the light, had a momentary lapse of judgment while entering Ben's hut and igniting his lightsaber, but unfortunately it was too late.

Snoke wasn't important. His backstory didn't matter. Why can't you accept that?

He was the most powerful pimp in the galaxy, could mind-slap bitches across the galaxy, eventually got hold of the entire mafia and slowly rose to power rulling the now ilegal remanents of the Empire.
There, i just explained the best part, his sick robes.

Are you being sarcastic?

Or are you literally defending this pile of shit, and it's decision to bring in one of the most powerful beings in the universe and not explain where he's been hiding for 40 years during the resurgence of the Jedi, and the rise of the sith and the emporer

>We ever gonna figure out what keeps him there and what temptation he struggles with? I guess not, the motivation of our main antagonist is pretty boring.
Jesus Christ this. So far Kylo Ren's adventures in the dark side seem like the work of an cartoon edgelord, except he barely seems to enjoy any of it so it's not even as fun as Palpatine.
>Disney haas actually made me nostalgic for a character whose entire motivation was "I like being evil, I don't have to explain shit".

I can't tell what's parody anymore

>as a youngling, I learned the true nature of the force and the evil inside the Jedi.
>I was scarred and left for dead, but i continued my training with the force, fueled by my memories of what happened.

>one of the most powerful beings in the universe
How do you know that if they didn't develop the character in the first place? All we know is that does shit Sith and Jedi didn't.

Okay so the main thrust of the story is Rey and Kylo Ren's journey right? But Kylo Ren's fall to the dark side seems to be largely the work of Snoke and they really play up the mystery of this powerful sith lord. But then they kill him off in the sequel why? It's not really a clever twist, because it's exactly what happened to Palpatine, just one film earlier. And now we're left with a main antagonist whose backstory seems weak, whose motivations are fucking weak as hell and who doesn't seem likely to represent much of a threat to the hero who has repeatedly demonstrated she can match him.

I mean, it's like they had no real plan for any of this shit beyond milking a franchi . . .oh.

>they really play up the mystery of this powerful sith lord

They really don't, though. You just assumed there had to be some grand revelation based on past cliches the series ascribed to.

How do i know?
They showed us. When he flung Rey around in circles.

What the fuck is wrong with you people defending this shit

So Luke's response to all of this is, I'll just go hide on a planet like my old masters, have a nice lukewarm pint of Thala-Siren milk and wait for all this to blow over?

And Kylo Ren's response is "wow, my uncle is totes going to kill me. Guess I better let this shady dude train me, wage war on everything my parents built and then kill my dad"?

>When he flung Rey around in circles
And that's a big deal because...? Jedi literally flung themself all over the place when they needed to jump.

Yeah, making any sense doesn't matter, we're just here for the colorful explosions and whoop-whoop

i dont know if youre trolling me, but its working.

>You just assumed there had to be some grand revelation based on past cliches the series ascribed to.
That's what I'm driving at. The entire series is built on these cliches; the TFW is literally ANH. Subverting cliches for the sake of it isn't necessarily satisfying in a narrative and just saying "oh but muh subversion, muh deconstruction" doesn't make it any cleverer than embracing those cliches.

Having this guy appear in the first film as the driving force behind the entire conflict only to unceremoniously kill him off is not some masterful twist or critique of the Star Wars universe, it's just bad story telling.

sounds like you were upset your headcanon was shut down.

To be fair that's a description that applies to almost everyone who didn't like it.

Nah, I'm just drunk and bored. I'm not even really a huge SW fan; like a few of the games and two of the films. The rest is pretty much wank.

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Your fan websites told you that Snoke was the most powerful being in the universe, the movies didn't.

You know user, I'm not absolutely hating this.

Woah

Christ the point is flying over your dumbass heads.
it wasnt "lol your fan fic didnt get created"

it was simple.
The movie was fucking bad.
They had infinite options for decent story telling, and they couldnt give us even a decently interesting answer to any of hte questions fans were inspired to ponder int he first film.

Why'd Kylo turn evil?
fucking stupid
How did kylo convince half of lukes class to kill the other half?
Nothing.
Snoke?
Fucking less than nothing.
What was so bad it made luke go into this type of exile?
Shit.
How advanced and wise is Luke going to be?
Nothing.
How is Rey so strong?
Nothing.
How awesome is Luke gonna be when he finally shows up?
Nothing

Hell it even brought up new questions and copped out on them within the same film.
Why is Rey so drawn to the darkside?
Nothing.
Hows Luke gonna effect the overall story?
Nothing.

Star Wars 7
>Snoke is Plagueis
>He uses his legendary knowledge of the force to bring back Vader from the dead
>Vader is the puppet ruler of the First Order, controlled by Plagueis from the shadows
>I guess Rey goes to destroy the new death star
>Vader defeats Rey with ease, because she isn't a Mary Sue and has no training
>Rey barely escapes with the help of Han and Ben
>Han sacrifices himself to let them escape (or maybe to blow the new death star planet up) (or maybe both)
>Plagueis starts manipulating a devastated Ben, promising to teach him how to get Han back (I haven't though of a way for Plagueis to know Ben)

Star Wars 8
>Luke starts training Rey and Ben
>Some shit happens in order to get Luke, Leia and Vader in the same place
>Vader and Luke face off
>Once again Luke gains the upper hand and refuses to kill Vader
>Vader attacks Leia and manages to critically injure her
>Luke has to step in and kill Vader
>Leia dies
>Plagueis fucks with Ben's head some more and blames Luke for not killing Vader when he had the chance and finally turns Ben to the dark side

Star Wars 9
>Rey and Kylo train for years
>Lots of shit happens
>Basically Plagueis kills Luke and then Rey and Kylo team up to kill Plagueis

You sound retarded now dude.
You're new argument is "dont believe your own eyes, what makes you think hes powerful?"
grasping at straws.
Let it go.
The movie just wasnt good.

>sounds like you were upset that the writing was shit
Yes user, that's right

>a bloo bloo bloo the story wasn't what I wanted and Luke didn't do ninja flips before blowing up the entire First Order with his mind movie was SHIT

you are a child

you're fucking pathetic dude.
Defending this sad attempt at being intellectually edgy by high school nerd Rian Johnson


'What are the overall themes behind this movie? Finn, Poe, and Rose all fail at everything they try to do for the entire movie. Fuck being proactive and trying to solve your problems on your own, just sit the fuck down and wait for Admiral purple hair or Rey to fix everything for you because they are so superior. Just sit the fuck down and submit to authority because your superiors always know best.

You know all the old OT heroes that you looked up to in the past? Fuck all of them, they're just failures that sat around and wallowed in uncharacteristic grief while the galaxy collapsed around them, until Rey walked up to them and magically fixed them with the power of disney princess plot armor.

The moral of this movie is that everything you loved in the past was shit all along, so sit down and let disney and your corporate slavemasters dictate your life, you fucking peasant. This is the real reason so many people hate TLJ. It's a plot-hole ridden mess that's 30 minutes too long and ruined one of cinema's greatest heroes, but that's not why so many people dislike this movie because most people don't love Star Wars enough to pick up on those details. They hate it because they know on a fundamental level that every fiber of this movie is completely antithetical to the essence of what people loved about Star Wars. It's a post-modern soulless product of its time, just another forgettable flick that only holds up by clinging to the past while spitting on it at every chance it gets. The prequels may have forgotten why people loved the OT but at least it never actively mocked it or its fans like Rian did."

a bloo bloo bloo not muh gary stu luke reeeee niggers kikes feminism mary sue fuck disney fuck ess jay double (You)s

"Nobody cares"

By Rian Johnson

yes I speak fluent Disney, I understand your frustration.
Sending positive energy your way

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Snoke was a Jedi Padawan when Order 66 is activated. Snoke's master and Snoke are on the battlefield when a clone uses a grenade on them. Snoke's master is killed and Snoke is burned and close to death. The clone reports them as both dead. After the battle Snoke wakes up and hate grows in his heart from betrayal and the death of his master. His anger is towards Sideous and Vader so he becomes aligned to the dark side but not a Sith.

Snoke goes into hiding to train and become stronger in the force to get revenge. Because the Jedi are essentially all gone and only 2 Sith exist in the OT time there is an excess of force power in the galaxy and he "soaks up" the force to become stronger.

Snoke sees the fall of the Empire and decides to make a move. Snoke hates Vader and by extension Luke because of the family connection and because Luke killed Vader before he got to. He finds Ben Solo and wants to bring him to his side because of the anguish it would cause Luke. He sees the opportunity to take over the command of a bunch of exiled angry Empire officers and takes it to create the FO.

I kinda like this, that he's only realy good at the manipulation parts of the force. Would be nice if he didn't die and instead had extremly compentent red guard to make up for his physical weakness.

>he pulls Luke towards him with the Force
>"Master Skywalker, what are you going to do?"
>kills him

Who Cares
Its Never gonna get explained so

literally no argument
congrats brainlet