Did she really love him or was she just programmed to act that way?

Did she really love him or was she just programmed to act that way?

do humans actually love or are we just biologically programmed to feel that way?

does any woman love her bf / husband?

>I don't understand the central theme of this movie
Do you love your family? If so, why?

She's a programmed product ofcourse, but that doesn’t mean their interaction and relationship is any less worth than any other relationship.

Villenueve talked about the whole theme of the movie being not "are robots capable of human feelings" and more "does it matter" and that was the part of her arc, too.
Sure, she's programmed to call him Joe and say she loves him, but she also puts herself in harms way for him, shows distress when she realizes she's going to die, hires a hooker for him then tells her to fuck off when nobody else is around, makes her mobile and vulnerable so K has to take care of her "like a real girl"... none of that would have been explicitly programmed any more than we're genetically/sociologically programmed to react to queues, so does it matter at that point that she loved him in the first place because it was programmed?

Both of them were programmed/created—him to serve something, her to love—but at some point you're meant to accept their actions as having value in site of that.

Yes

She was a spyware

Both.

>About to die
>tells Joe she loves him

It's real

That specific Joi I believe did adapt to loving K.
Sure she was meant to make whoever bought her product happy.
But I think she loved K.

Good post

It doesn't matter because he loved her. She's his pinocchio

There certainly is a progression, why hadnt she stated she loved him until her "death"? She had to understand the reality of the situation and wanted to say a farewell. She loved him.

such a good novel.

It was real love, something humans are incapable of

She has been programmed to say whatever he wanted to hear, she never says a thing in the entire movie that he does not want to hear.

>love cannot have a biologically component, it's either 100% metaphysical or else it doesn't count

Does it matter? We all love her and that IS real.

she's just like every other woman. pretending to like things he likes (see OP's pic), telling him he's special and important (just like she told her last bf and will tell her next), etc.

I see no issue with this statement.

every single thing you have ever thought felt or experienced was caused by biology of the brain

she was programmed well enough that it didn't make a difference

She is made to manipulate her users by literally read the their minds and do whatever the user want to believe in. In the DNA scanner scene you see that she project the wooden horse that K remembers. How can she know how it look like when she haven't even seen it before?

This. Only waifufags will delude themselves into thinking an inanimate object cares for them.

Joe didn't want to move her to the emanator.

If one is programmed to love then there is no choice in it. Their relationship isn't love, it's rape

>there is no choice in it
you don't choose to love someone

He did though, he was just hesitant and deep inside himself he wanted her to say that

Yes, all she did was following a protocol. She gave her 'Joe' what he needs

Do women's butts stink? I've always been curious.

shoo shoo. back to tumbler

VR plus sensory inputs, holo and general AI will save us from overpopulation

This

Yes but you are not made to love whoever buys you, Joi is.

how do i get a joi gf?

it's 0% metaphysical and 100% biological.

>just programmed
every living thing is programmed

Speak for yourself soyboy 2017 tourist

Puppies seem to basically loves whoever buys them, too.

yes but she's made so well that you can fool yourself into thinking your Joi is special

LIT

>love whoever buys you
every woman is capable of this

Puppies aren't human and don't have human thought. Plus they are capable of not loving you, eg if you're an abusive master

why did he want an adorable looking submissive female projection around , was he just programmed to want it ?

joi stands for jerk off instruction hehehe

black lives matter whiteboi

...

aren't we all? I mean submissiveness can become boring fast though

>Villenueve talked about the whole theme of the movie being not "are robots capable of human feelings" and more "does it matter"

That's childish 2bh; love and feelings are a hybrid notion borne of biological processes taking action in higher-consciousness beings capable of reflecting of them. Both elements are essential.

The Blade Runner concept is interesting because replicants are still biological and subject to both elements, and it was in fact the short lifespan what actually made them MORE than human, as they were forced to deal with all that in a more intensive way.

Adding AI to the mix was a mistake if it really was meant to be thought as something comparable to biological consciousness; I choose to interpret Joi's role as something that, in a bittersweet fashion, is revealed to be ultimately meaningless and serving only for Joe to discover what"true" humanity means

>joe
Not sure they could have spelled it out much clearer for you.

>posted when it was the popular and "right" thing to do throughout social media, and to support injustice against blacks
>posted before BLM was exposed to be about white hate instead, and she never posted it again
Anyhow, to correct my previous post:
Everyone except one special snowflake loves Ana de Armas here.

it doesn't matter at all. you don't choose who you love, there's no free will involved, not to mention that apart from malfunction that can occur to either machine, a mother is essentially programmed to love their children and children are essentially programmed to love their mother.

Literally who cares

>mfw people say joi was programmed and K found something real when it's basically the same concept

>Completely artificial cold circuits are the same as humans, but made in a factory

?

I'm a brainlet and I didn't get all of the plot

why did K and that qt in the bubble have the same memories?

maybe she was programmed to say all the stuff
but I think that at the end she actually believed it which would make it real in my eyes

What is love? How do you grasp it? How do you define it?

Science says it is a combination of our biological traits based on chemical reactions whose body smell and pheromones we find attractive and eventually fall in love with and whom we can't.
In a way we are already programmed by mother nature. Or is there more to it than just a cold, calculating, emotionless biological and chemical process?

AI is capable of most selfless genuine love.
They have nothing to gain from it and they still do it.

Why did she "hate that book"? Why would a roastie simulacra hate this "Pale Fire"?

don't sleep on the real cuteness overload of BR2049

>Adding ai to the mix
Replicants are literally AI you daft twat.

Did he really love her or was he just programmed to act that way?

they were the same person

wut

this bullshit again,huh.
Humans are alive and have autonomy.
JOI was a literal object, a complete computer with only pre-determined responses.
go back to redit

>implying K wouldn't format her ass off if she didn't entertain him

No, there isn't. Still feels great though.
>tfw loving qt gf

bubble girls job was creating memories for the skin jobs
she put her own memories in some of them just because
and most of them joined the rebell army

The memories were hers, you fag.

It's in her programming. There are hints throughout the movie though that she's breaking her potential programming limits

for an ai that can pass the turing test you cant actually say

>Humans are alive and have autonomy.
>every single thing you do is governed by chemical and electrical reactions in your brain and muscles
>somehow that's more "valid" than pre-programmed actions

this
ana de armas is just a felicity jones clone

they were the same person, there was no one inside that building. check the reflection on glass when han solo enters the building

:(

Wondering this too. Why did she give him her memories instead of faked ones like she was supposed to.

the memories weren't his, they were implanted. through all of his existence he had this nagging thought in his head that he was special, that he wasn't just a skin job. he thought he was a real human bean. but those memories of the wooden horse were actually the girl's behind the glas - which happens to be the daughter of Wallmart Shirt Man and Rachel.

>instead of faked ones
she says the whole point is to use a bit of your own memories to add that realness factor

just stop.
Its not governed by it. We have been over this already. Humans have free will and the ability to have self control, as well as awareness of their surroundings..

The daughter (Dr. Ana Stelline) creates memories for replicants. While she tells K that it's illegal to implant human memories in replicants, she also explains artists put a bit of themselves in their work and suggests it's why the memories she creates feel so authentic (and are in such high demand).

>Humans have free will and the ability to have self control
completely unprovable axiomatic statement

>Picture from two years ago
You tried

No it's perfect. Joi is meant to question what it means to love someone. Should we love someone because they fullfill our every desire, or because we love them for who they are despite their flaws? Joi makes him feel what he wanted to feel. She's the inner voice of K desires and therefore and extension of him and not a person.

O so you solved the hard problem of consciousness all by yourself? Color me surprised!

Free will is an illusion user

If I start saving up neetbux today I hope I can afford a Joi in 30 years

>he thinks his free will is governed by physical laws which are somehow less deterministic than a computer program's could be

hope you're explaining that by just brainletting the whole concept away by believing in god

They look nothing alike

Putting Nabokov in that scene is kinda pretentious.

They should have gone with some lighter literature. Maybe even a children's book, which would imply so much more about replicants in general. Even if it seemed weird.


Oh yeah she's just programmed.
But so is K. So who cares.

Its been proven in science studies before user.
If we didn't have free will we would all be savage beasts in the wild.
take your redit philosophies back to redit

citation needed

t. good joes

citation needed on your reddit theories
just look it up dud. I am citing common science dawg

>god is metaphysical and not physical
>"I want concrete proof in my hands that he's real, christfags! if it's not purely physical then it's not real! Hitchens for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love science!"

>love is physical and not metaphysical
>"eww gross chemicals and shit, that's gross. if it's not purely metaphysical then it's not real! don't trust 'roasties', be a childless 30yo manchild like me!!!! evolutionary biology makes me feel scared and lonely... im above human emotions because I'm alone in my room on the internet all day every day... I am intellectually superior..."

so this... is the power... of nu-male logic. this is your brain on constant porn and consumerism and video games and capeshit culture. cucklets, the lot of you.

Evolution has programmed us to act certain ways.

Does an real woman actually love you, is it a conscious choice or just a biological reaction

i dunno a woman has never loved me

Read the fucking bible

the idea of replicants is a bit weird to me
>we need slaves to do work on colonies
>so we made some
>oh yeah instead of robots we used basically artificial humans because reasons
>it's okay though we only have them live 4 years
>oh yeah they don't actually die after four years, but they're supposed to commit suicide
>yeah we kinda went overboard with the whole independent thought thing
>anyways this NEW model obeys us
>except when they don't because we went overboard again

>science studies
At the moment science can only hope to give a material reductionist argument. It seems you are the redditor here.

very nice observation user, didn't catch that on 3 viewings