My sister told me about this and she's mad as shit. What do you guys think?

My sister told me about this and she's mad as shit. What do you guys think?

Me? I'm having a KEK with my sis suffering. She's a dirty fanfic writer.

You're a bad brother OP, You shoud love your sister

Supes/Wondy is shit, as is your sister by association.

The movie is going to be shit tho why the fuck care?

t. A batfag

These shippers are insane and don't get the character at all I'm pretty sure superman would never give the finger to anyone not even darkseid

.....Didn't they have to destroy a universe in order to push Supes and Wondy to begin with?

Steve is Diana's husbando

Supes romance with anyone but Lois is stupid. It's too ingrained into the character and the latest retcon of the week can't change that. Same with Spidey and MJ.

Some characters maybe you can pull a retcon like that, but not those two.

Based DC, NOT doing what retards like want.

>She's a dirty fanfic writer.

That's basically what modern cape writers are tho.

>"No words needed"
>here is a paragraph for text

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Bat is the only possible correct answer.

Japanese people care about this stuff?

>That's basically what modern cape writers are tho.

Reminder that somebody said "I think Lex Luthor is the only womb powerful enough to bear Superman's child" and the company was like

Holy shit, there are people behind trinity pairing? I thought even shippers had some integrity.

>THIS LOVE IS REAL
What love? There's no chemistry with this sort of thing, it's just taking the two important people in something and smashing them together like dolls.
Don't even give me that "they can understand each other" horseshit. Someone like Lana can understand Clark and Lois comes to love what she learns about both halves of him, but Diana knows Superman as, well, Superman or Kal.

This is admittedly a poor example of their ship, not that there's much to choose from, but I was reading Kingdom Come recently and despite having his kid and all in the end one of the first things she does is come and tell Clark to stop farming and go be Superman. She tells the Farmer to STOP Farming.

Yeah it was a distraction, yeah he has obligations and all, but it's the red light of this relationship for me. Same thing in Injustice, she wants him to act like some kind of Super Dictator more than anything. Hell, she falls in love with him in Red Son because when she meets him he's more or less that already.

It's like a politician falling in love with a soldier during a conflict, and when she goes to meet his parents in the suburbs she's like
>Yeah, you need to move. To like a military base or something. I'm not doing this little people thing.
And he's like yeah sure I'll just wipe the significance of my upbringing away. Fuck my childhood right? All that matters is my powerset, position in a super team and popularity complimenting yours.

Fuck this kind of thing, fuck this kind of writer, fuck this kind of reader.

>all the whiny New-52fags complaining about DC just erasing 5 whole years of history
God I hate them.

This could only ever end poorly which is why it needs to happen

>THIS LOVE IS REAL

What a great love story.

>There's no chemistry
Same with any cape comic couple, they just love eachother because that's what the status quo is. Shippers are all awful. You "people" shouldn't look down on your own kind.

I am also laughing at your sisters rage

>Dat Pic

Jesus how pathetic

DC was a mistake

I want a good movie I guess D.C. Can't deliver

I can smell the tsundere coming out of her pores
>I wasnt gonna let him die, you baka alien
>what are you standing there for? lets fight already

Superman and Wonder Woman in special has no fucking chemistry whatsoever, though.

It's either them telling each other what great friends they're because they can understand each other better than anyone else due to how unique and alike they're (the last part is specially bullshit), despite countless examples of one don't understanding the other at all, or Wonder Woman worshiping Superman's power and manliness and trying to convince him of his innate superiority and the necessity of them pacifying the world, which is a plot that makes both characters unappealing as fuck.

Who's talking about the fucking movie?

She was totally going to let the old man die, though.

Hey, man. Batman at least have chemistry with BOTH Superman and Wonder Woman.

Superman/Batman is obviously the superior ship.

New 52 is created by an autistic Blue God with a Big dick that stole hope from the universe..... Superbro and Diana's Delusions became a couple in the New 52 basically doctor M's fan fiction and they think its true love ?

user Please

Steve really is the only acceptable love interest

Themyscira needs at least 3 nukes.

with your penis, of course

The funny thing is that the SM/WW book had more moments of Supebro and Wonder Woman failing to understand each other and arguing over the most inane shit possible than getting along. It worked more against the pairing than in favor for it.

Are you talking about this, or did somebody make mpreg fanfiction? Legitly curious.

well, I uess that explains Booster' disappearing and all when they HAD the relationship?

I never really understood the "How will humanity grow stronger if they're always being saved?" argument. First of all I doubt if it's even true, and second of all the worth of a regular person isn't really based on how able to kick ass they are. Hasn't been for a long time.

This?

Superman shouldn't be in a relationship. He could've saved a thousand people or found a cure for AIDS during the time period where he bones Wondy or Lois.

l-lewd

Batman/WW is kinda interesting because Bruce is always used to being the one in power. I would like that pairing if they played with Bruce's insecurities.

I don't think it's so much that Bruce is used to being in power as it is that he desperately wants to be. I imagine a big part of the trauma of having your parents murdered in front of you is the powerlessness of it, how you had no control at all.

Well, maybe I should say he's used to feeling in power. He needs to be in control of everything and always make sure he feels that way.
WW would take all that control away because unlike his relationship with Selina, he can't even overpower her phisically.

The DCAU played a lot on his insecurities. He was the one who was desperately in love with Wonder Woman (kinda OoC since it came out from nowhere) to the point of forgoing his reasoning and acting desperate every time she'd get slightly bruised, spilling his spaghetti every time Wonder Woman would act mildly warm or teasingly towards him, and wallowing in self-loathing feeling he wasn't good enough to be with her.

In Joe Kelly's JLA run he was also afraid of facing her and admitting his feelings because she was too special. There's also Phil Jimenez's Wonder Woman run where Batman was basically shown as a huge Wonder Woman fanboy.

To be honest, i find these characterizations kinda bit masturbatory towards Wonder Woman. Batman pretty much becomes an awkward teenager that never fell in love before.

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These people are delusional. What great stories are there featuring SM/WW? Not to mention that the book was selling like shit.

I don't know. There are more of them.

The only moment that clearly stands out, to me, about this relationship is that time when Diana was saying "let's take over and kill all the criminals," and only stopped because Batman appeared.

This page? And yeah. Wonder Woman was portrayed awful both in Geoff Johns' Justice League and Charles Soule/Peter Tomasi's Superman/Wonder Woman.

I seriously don't understand these people at all.

Yeah, that one.

Every time Supes and Wondie get together it is just awful. New 52, Act of God, Injustice etc..

I have no idea what people see in it.

They're not a fan of the characters, just the idea of the pairing. It's the prom king/queen dynamic that attracts them.

At least that's my theory.

A lot of stuff in New52 was dumb crap casuals would think would be good.
>Captain Marvel is now called Shazam
>No red trunks
>Flash villains are now metahumans

Fuck Jurgens. Cant wait until his shit fanfic crashes and burns.
Fuck this run.
Fuck Rebirth

A relationship that started with Wonder Woman using Superman as a rebound because he was invulnerable unlike Steve Trevor who she tried to push away because she felt guilty about him getting hurt over her is now this grand love story unlike any other.

Geoff Johns, the one who started it, said on record that he only did it because he had planned to end it uglily in an event cross-over, which never came to pass because the media buzz made saved it.

Then he made Wonder Woman think of Superbro as a mere fuckbuddy and still show signs that she was into Steve.

Remember when Scott Lobdell used that kiss between Wonder Woman and Orion, which in her solo happened as a mere diversion and taunt, to imply there was something more going on between her and Orion and that she was cheating on Superbro?

The problem is that they always try to force her into some relationship, which isn't really necessary and most of the time completely unjustified, perhaps with the exception of Steve Trevor (which has also been handled like crap lately anyway).
One of the best things Azzarello did in his run was showing she doesn't need a romantic relationship to be an interesting character, without signaling about it. She didn't need to give some long ass speach as why "she don't need no man" or any crap like that. She just kept busy with the shit that was going on in the comic, and you never stopped to ask if she was dating anybody.
More people should do like he did. Make her strong on her own right first, and then you can explore her romantic relationships, which would also write themselves much easier once you have a well grounded personality to build from.

modern WW is the blandest, most boring female hero char in dc right now

i cant imagine why anyone would want to ruin soup herman by pairing him up with her

Well, it needs to be written properly, of course, but I think it could be interesting.
It's true that the episode where he runs to see if she's well it's way to out of character, but I thought the one where he has to sing to save her was better written, and something Batman would totally do.
At any rate, I think what's best for WW is to stay away from romantic relationships for a long time, and even more so from relationships with other superheroes.

We're lucky the facist bitch isn't trying to cross universes again to marry Steve Rogers since Cap went all Hydra.

Don't worry, Superman/Wonder Woman shippers, you'll always have the Injustice universe.

>we gave the broad strokes in action
>we gave that broad, some strokes in action

Am i reading too much into this

>dont worry aids patients, at least youll be thin

Are you sure this isn't Injustice Wondy?

I'd give the broad some strokes with my penis if you know what i mean.

The problem with SM/WW is that the pairing isn't based on the their chemistry or anything like that, but on the idea that they two are "important" and "alike" which often translate into being uber-powerful as to practically be gods and feeling alienated because of it. This bankrupt take on the characters that the writers always repeat make both look awful. Here are two characters that are all about being simple and human and their big idea is to make them look like two gods disconnected from humanity.

Then, because the writers can't think of a nice dynamic to make the pairing work, they resort to do the good cop/bad cop dynamic with them, with Superman acting humble pacifistic and Wonder Woman acting stuck-up and aggressive, and that's pretty much all their interactions in everything that feature them as a couple. Superman trying to teach Wonder Woman some manners and contain her temper, and Wonder Woman being wrong about everything and trying to drop every motherfucker they encounter dead.

I mean, you might think i'm bullshitting, but i'm not. See Kingdom Come, All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder, Dark Knight Strikes Again, Dark Knight III: The Master Race, DC: The New Frontier, Geoff Johns' Justice League, Superman/Wonder Woman, Injustice: Gods Among Us, INJUSTICE 2, Justice League Action...

Couldn't say it better myself, my distaste for WonderXBat is from it being the opposite of SuperXWonder. While both are very forceful one is devoid of direction while the other is too heavy handed. DianaXBruce comes off as fetish driven the way he's designed as an emotionally clueless boy who needs a big strong woman to guide him into manhood with a leash.
Given her lasso and origins it's not even a little subtle, seldom do you hear what he'll do for her in the relation.

Then again, as I said, the opposite extreme is no better. I agreed with one user in another thread that showing Superman having bad blood with Apollo (Olympian God) and Orion (New God) just so he could appear the protective boyfriend really only injured the character of everyone involved. Such trite dudebro pissing contest antics scrawl should never, not once ever show up on the same script page as the names Superman and Wonder Woman. Fucking hell, the fact I even need to say that makes me worried for what the scrutiny process is for the shit passing through DC editorial.

>I agreed with one user in another thread that showing Superman having bad blood with Apollo (Olympian God) and Orion (New God) just so he could appear the protective boyfriend really only injured the character of everyone involved. Such trite dudebro pissing contest antics scrawl should never, not once ever show up on the same script page as the names Superman and Wonder Woman.

One thing i didn't understood about Superman/Wonder Woman was the weird-ass obsession Wonder Woman's godly family had on her relationship.

In Brian Azzarello's run on Wonder Woman the gods were just getting to know Wonder Woman and most of them wanted nothing to do with her. The only ones interested in Wonder Woman's life were Zeus, Athena, and Hermes, because she was instrumental to their keikaku, and on smaller scale Ares and Hera, because one wanted to die and pass his role to someone else, and the other wanted to avenge Zeus constant betrayal. Apollo? He wanted nothing to do with her and was actually pissed that she was ruining his plans of taking Olympus. Once he and her reached a deal he was more than happy to leave her alone. Eros? He had just met her and just helped her in setting up a meeting with Hephaestus out of niceness.

But in Superman/Wonder Woman they were constantly popping up to test Superman, to see if he was a good enough boyfriend material, all because he was dating her. The fuck?

Your right, I'm a dirty Clark x Bruce Shipper

>Such trite dudebro pissing contest antics scrawl should never, not once ever show up on the same script page as the names Superman and Wonder Woman.

Superman constantly complaining about Batman as if he was insecure about Wonder Woman leaving him for Batman was a lot more stupid, specially when Batman's supposed to be his bro and throughout the entire 'New 52' Batman and Wonder Woman were constantly shown as odds.

1/3.

2/3.

I mean, what is the purpose of this shit? Why show Superman as an insecure and bitch-y boyfriend? Why use Batman for this shit, specially?

3/3.

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See, they should play up Diana and Clark as a couple of country folk, the type who go to Rodeos and State Fairs and folk life festivals.

Both of them grew up in a rustic setting with an appreciation for nature.
Make them sweetly boring to big city heroes (pretty much all of them).

City-bred comic writers don't seem to get this.

Fuck me, I think I blocked most of that from memory for my health and now there's two stores of it.
It's like getting two red lantern rings at once.

I mean, i get wanting to push the pairing, but there's no need to ruin Superman and Batman bromance for it.

Now this I'm glad to see again any amount of times!
World's Finest 'til the day I die.

He wasn't wrong, Johns had Batman spying on the two of them like a creepy obsessed loser because he was the one who wanted Diana.

Well, like I said, I think the best thing for WW is to stay away from those relationships for a very long time, so she can be established as a strong character on her own. It's just that if it's Superman/WW or Batman/WW, I think the second can have a more interested dynamic, and can show WW in a much more assertive and positive light, unlike the emotional dumbass bitch she always is around Superman.

But I think the best way to portray her is the way Azzarello did. She was surrounded by different characters and dynamics: she learned from some, she taught others, some loved her, some hated her, some started loyal and betrayed her, some started as enemies and ended as allies, etc.
I haven't read Rebirth, but knowing Rucka, I bet he's doing a decent job as well. It's too bad that most people don't know what to do with her in team books.

Yup, reminder that TRINITY WAR was going to be the love triangle between Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman, and would result in an ugly break-up between Superman and Wonder Woman, and probably a fight between Superman and Batman. DC stopped Johns.

Alright, let's get scientific about this.

>best waifu for Superman
>best waifu for Batman
>best husbando for Wonder Woman

Batman/Wonder Woman is just less shitty because is pretty much Superman and Batman bromance with the sexual tension turned overt. You all faggots know this to be the truth. The dynamic is the same. Batman seeing Wonder Woman as this great person and a symbol of hope while being autistic about his feelings, and Wonder Woman trying to give Batman some company and make him chill a bit. Just change Wonder Woman's name for Superman and voila. Same shit.

The only difference is that Batman act a bit more of a beta who shuts up or backs down every time she tells him to, which like the above said happens for fetishistic reasons and to show Wonder Woman as a empowering female who can boss even the big bat around.

wtf is this shit. A true warrior culture most often has themes of "Be strong and defend the pack" not some bullshit "don't help anyone because that means they're weak"

I would understand if it was some crippled baby and WW just goes "wtf why don't we just kill it" but this is fucking stupid.

It was just a contrived excuse to later have Superman teach Wonder Woman how to act as a decent human being and proper hero who won't let innocent people get hurt just because.

Wonder woman is like, the crossroad of fucked up stuff writers can't handle
>confuse warrior with heartless asshole
>confuse strong woman with bitch
>confuse coming from female society to manhating bitch
>confuse foreigner to a new world with a freaking child showing wonder at everything
>confuse guardian charged by the gods with aloof uberbeing
>try making supes x wondy (which is bad in itself, but whatever) and instead of focusing on farmboy x princess, go for lady mcbeth trying to get supes to rule humanity

People can't write wonderwoman. Which is why her origin gets retold and her character gets redefined constantly.

That sounds right because, from a quick look at least, Reddit and Tumblr both hate the pairing as well, so it's just people on Twitter.

it's sad because all they really need to do is just make her a spartan from 300 or even an MC from a greek epic and then change the gender to get the general jist of her personality.

Diana is gonna live longer so she can have Lois' sloppy seconds.

This is interesting, I always got the impression people had difficulty writing Wonder Woman but never figured why. I feel like it should have been obvious, but your post is helping me just now realize where the speed traps exactly are.

This page here is the perfect example of everything wrong with SM/WW and this shit was written by both George Perez and John Byrne.

If not even these two niggas were able to make the pairing not look like a pair of colossal jerk-asses with an ego the size of the moon, then what hope there is for this shitty pairing?

Why does it seems like so many people now have a fucking personal vendetta against romance?

It's like people will praise something solely because the character doesn't hook up with anyone. Like that in and of itself equates to good writing.

Normally, Wonder Woman lose her immortality when she steps out of Paradise Island.

Not that it matters when it comes to pairing her up in Elseworlds or some shit, since the appeal is all about showing them as inhuman as possible.

Just wait untill JL movie release and if it not flop - WW will be shipped with Batman in comics too. Just imagine amount of rage from every side.

A massive ego is pretty justified for characters who can do what they can.

It's simple, really. Likes combat, but not war and slaughter. Believes in protecting, forgiving and spreading understanding, not in punishing.

My ideal scene for Wondy is, she's sent to deal with a brutal civil war where the two factions have been going to each other for decades, at that point, faction x is wiping faction y people out, she intervenes and protects people y, person from y says they should act now and kill x, wondy says no, y person says
>but they're savages who would wipe us out
wondy wraps lasso around a captured x and asks him why they try to kill y people and he answers
>because they're savages who would wipe us out

and that leads to the two groups understanding they're both the same and that leads to improving the relationships and peace

>Superman talking as if being raised on a farm in Kansas isn't all he ever knew
wtf Byrne

Yea and she starts calling him Kal usually whenever they get into something.

I hope not. Joe Kelly did the best way possible: it's a doomed fling. They like each other for a bit but decide to be friends because they both are all about their mission. Batman because he needs that shit in his life and Wonder Woman because it's a holy privilege bestowed by her matron goddesses.

If the movie make them an actual couple i will... i will not see it anyway, but it'll suck. Specially if it end up influencing the comics.

There are more probably, I'll point out more if the thread is open when I come back from psychoanalysis

Not really, mostly because even if we accept Batman thinks WW is Superman with tits (and maybe a pussy idk), I think WW would see Batman differently than Superman does.
I think Superman would just go "yeah, Batman's an asshole but he's a nice guy deep down, and he's my friend", like a friend would do but WW would try to make him stop being an asshole, for instance.

But, let me repeat yet again, I think the best thing is to avoid this shit alltogether.

Come on, man. It doesn't fit the two characters at all.

Superman grew up in a rural town surrounded by simple folk believing himself to be a mere farmer's kid. He only started to develop his powers as a teen - Yeah, i know about the silver age and him having super-powers since infancy -, so for the most part Superman grew up like a normal kid. His super-powers are more a responsibility that he takes very seriously, because that's how his fine folks raised him, than something to showboat about.

The same for Wonder Woman. She grew up as a normal girl, although a bit spoiled for being a princess, and was surrounded by women that put in the work and sweat their brow. She only gained her powers as a blessing from her matron goddesses when she won the right to bring Steve back to Man's World. Her powers are both a privilege and a responsibility. They're almost holy in nature. She wouldn't see her powers as something to feel vain and superior about.

And fuck, the main appeal of these characters, at least for me, is that despite their powers they're nice, chill, open, loving. I just can't accept a Superman or Wonder Woman who fancy themselves as better than anyone. Specially for such a vain thing as a physical trait like a super-power.

That's my main problem with SM/WW. It robs the characters of their humanity and for fucking what?