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I know it's going to be almost impossible to discuss this on Sup Forums, but was anyone else annoyed at how Finn was basically token wacky black guy in TLJ?

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Little black boy better step aside for the real men

Nah, it bothered me too.

Hes the new jar jar binks. Nig nig dindu.

Finn was fine in TFA
should have teamed up with Poe in Space Vegas
Also Space Vegas shouldn't have been pointless

Isn't he Nigerian? Why is he so short?

Every minority was a token something.

You're never going to see a black or Asian Jedi in Nu Wars.

He's like 5'9 which is average, Driver is something like 6'3.

I feel the same. He has the most interesting backstory out of every new character in the ST, but Rian Johnson didn't care about developing him in the new movie. He joked at SW Celebration that he wanted to let Finn in his coma through TLJ. I think he genuinely has no interest in writing anyone but Kylo.

>5'9
>average

when will you learn?

>goes to put his arm around John Boyeaga anyway

Anything below 6'0 is manlet status on Sup Forums, but it's not how it is in the real world.

He was already a comic relief in Force Awakens. It's like they thought it would be a good idea to have an ex stormtrooper but they had no idea what to do with him, so he casually slaughters his ex coworkers then turns into the comic relief

>I think he genuinely has no interest in writing anyone but Kylo.

Then why didn't he go all the way with Kylo? He just stopped when was about to do something interesting before turning into generic bad guy.

Kylo was a Sith trough and trough I don't know why anyone doesn't get this

Yes. Very disappointed his conflict against Phasma was undeveloped and meaningless. Very disappointed he got stuck with Rose—she contributed nothing. Very disappointed in his slapstick first two scenes that set him up as a joke for the rest of the movie. Very disappointed he had no meaningful scenes with Rey. And very disappointed broom boy is Force-sensitive but Finn isn’t. All his potential was wasted.

his potential was already wasted in the first movie

>trough and trough
Learn to spell.

>Kylo was a Sith
Generic bad guy. All this talk of tearing it down and instead continues with the same thing.

I think he's a good actor, but the script for him is terrible and the directors are terrible at directing him. It's like every scene they have him saying wacky dialogue or breathing heavy - seriously, why the fuck does he always look frantic and breathing so hard?

This, everything from being a joke to Phasma was fucked from TFA. That being said making him force sensitive would be fucking retarded.

I guess so, his training as a trooper turns out to be a joke, so we get no development on star troopers themselves and they remain the faceless bad guys.

Partly yes, his character suffers to prop Rey up, but Rian could have fixed this, but he didn't even try. Just gave us a shitty subplot so the movie isn't 80 mins of Force Skype.

What's bad about Force-Sensitive Finn?

Space coon shucking and jiving I think the real sting was those being the Asians bitch like niggers are in real life, that was too close to the bone for their little sub 80 IQ's as it mirrors real life, bitch to the whites now bitch to the asians, blacks are nothing but a bitch race.

Yes that’s always been his problem. Even from the first frame of the TFA trailer. He takes his mask off and gives the goofiest fucking expression ever.

Soy Wars fanboys will dismiss all Finn criticism as “alt-right Nazis!”, but the truth is his race and the handling of his character have a lot to do with each other. Everybody liked Lando and Mace. Nobody cared that they were black. But the difference is, their characters weren’t written as black characters, nor should they have been. This is a universe where modern race relations don’t exist and modern black American culture doesn’t exist.

Also Finn is supposed to have spent most of his life as a stormtrooper, receiving military training, etc. So why is Finn acting like a 21st century, black, American, Kevin Hart-style comic relief? His character should be more stoic and reserved, and you could even still get comic relief out of it. They just botched this entire reboot from top to bottom.

It did feel like his role was downgraded from force awakens. If Finn hadn't been there the movie would have been basically the same.

They never do

I agree with most of your post but
>soy
THIS is the best that post-moot Sup Forums can come up with?

Average height for a man in Nigeria is 5'4" apparently. The Nigerians I've met haven't been especially tall people, although there are some smaller tribes where men are like 6'6, and women are 6'1.
>tfw no amazon gf.

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uhm sorry sweetie

>droid, please
yeah its stupid, stupid movies

I liked him in TFA though the romantic angle was forced. The character is completely squandered in TLJ though.

I'm pretty sure everyone noticed my compadre. It can be attributed to hack writing.

He was a master in tai chi

>Soy Wars fanboys will dismiss all Finn criticism as “alt-right Nazis!”, but the truth is his race and the handling of his character have a lot to do with each other. Everybody liked Lando and Mace. Nobody cared that they were black. But the difference is, their characters weren’t written as black characters
Interesting, I havent seen nu wars, what else do they do to make him a stereotypical black character?

>The character is completely squandered in TLJ though.
all the pre established characters in TFA we're pushed aside for self inserts

This. He's the most wasted among the new characters. It's more glaringly obvious because we can all see the fantastic opportunities for story and character that a defecting Stormtrooper brings with him. If JJ had one lick of creativity, he'd have pulled off that helmet to reveal a shaved head and a nearly emotionless face, nearly a robot.

no one liked mace dindu. Everyone loved Lando, but Dindu was crap as was everything in the prequels.

>Pussied out of Finn sacrificing himself for the resistance and having a fitting end for his character arc
>Pussied out of having Rey turn to the dark side
>Pussied out of having Kylo be redeemed
>Pussied out of making Holdo the villain she was written as for most of the movie
And that's just stuff that was seemingly being set-up within this movie. Fuck you, subversion man.

Gee I wonder who could be behind this post

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>Phasma

How depressing it must be to play Phasma, a character that appears for a couple of minutes and then thrown away like trash. Twice.

JJ Abrams and Kasdan told him, so you wanna be the new Han Solo...

Height is correlated to how early your ancestors had access to agriculture, since eating what you produce from agriculture means less proteins for you to reach your highest height potential. This is why Romans, who had an agriculture-based society, were shorter in stature than Germanics from the north who were more nomadic.

The same goes for Africans: some have had to access since very long (ie: Nigerians which has very fertile land) and therefore quite short on average, and other have not and are taller from this since their ancestors have been subsisting on meat and hunt since very long ago.

His potential wasn't that great to be honest and the moment they cast a black dude was the moment it was going to be shit no matter what because they cast him as forced diversity so he was going to be written that way from that point on. He's been a token black dude since TFA and was never fucking interesting, wish he would have died off instead of Rose saving him. Would have unironically been the best thing they ever did with his character even it it would've been predictable and still not that great in general.

Why doesn't finn have a story in which he discovers the location of his indoctrination camp, he destroys the facilities involved and ultimately fights general hux? A heroic ex stormtrooper would probably want to save whatever friends he had as a stormtrooper or prevent future generations from succumbing to their brain washing techniques mentioned in TFA.

5'11" at least is the real world average. It's probably 6' by now.

Unless your some shortarse beaner.

They never explain why only he defects.

>the most wasted among the new characters

Finncucks are obnoxious. and delusional.

I wish they did this; Finn and Poe go to Casino Planet to infiltrate and Poe goes on a massive roll while Finn becomes addicted to cocaine and falls in love with a tranny. They have a wild adventure, arrive on the Resistance's base only to find everyone dead. They shrug their shoulders and go off into the unknown!!!FACT!!!

>Everybody liked Lando and Mace.
Lando was fine but Mace was fucking stupid just like the hack Samuel L Jackson.

This.
>oh wow I just realized we're the bad guys
>haha that said, only I should have the luxury to join the good guys, fuck all the other brainwashed child soldiers who I'm going to murder with glee
If anything, he shouldn't be friends at all with Poe since Poe is this dashing Resistance pilot who openly will brag about how many FO pilots he's killed.

Wrong, height is directlly collerated to child malnutrition, which is why nobility in the medieval and early modren times had the same average height as we do today while peasants were manlets.

I honestly did expect Holdo to turn out to be a spy or something and am surprised you are the first person I have seen besides myself who suspected she'd be the villain. Everyone else was just too busy getting triggered by her hair color.

It's weird though. It's like he "subverted expectations" by taking our predictions and going in the most boring direction possible with them. "HA! Bet you weren't expecting me to do this boring shit!" Does this really count as subversive?

See? Already a more interesting premise. A Spartacus-style Rebellion of "defective" Stormtroopers could have been a fantastic movie.

Could have been interesting if he was sympathetic to the grunts. It's too deep for star wars though, you're expecting too much.

The problem is that he's a nobody in a 9 episode Skywalker saga and 7-9 is about Kylo who is the son of two heroes in 4-6 and the grandson of a hero and a villain whose story is shown in 1-6.

I wish Finn would go against Hux since it's Hux's (and his father's) brainwashing program Finn went through like Kylo killed Snoke who had influenced him since he was a child. Phasma trained Finn so it could have the an epic fight as any mentor vs pupil fight in Star Wars but that is given to Luke vs Kylo.

Instead we get Hux getting prank called by Poe, Finn being Rose's sidekick and that very short fight he had with Phasma. Finn is sadly just a nobody in Kylo's rise and fall.

It's part of the reason, but here we're talking about the whole population. It's a known fact that humans who entered into agrarian societies diminished in height because they had less access to meat. And that royalty that towered above others could afford to go hunting as a hobby and therefore had access to meat that little others could afford.

Poe and Finn should've gone to Military Industrial Complex Casino Land togheter and have a bromance, Rose shouldn't exist, Holdo should've been a First Order saboteur, Either Rey should've gone dark or Kylo should've gone light.

Here, I fixed the fucking movie.

And he tried running out like he just found out he got a girl pregnant

Reading this thread I'm glad Finn gets shit on by the writers, he's garbage yet his fans want to pretend he could have been the omg best character ever didn't you know? Of all things to complain about, you want to get so buttblasted mad over a side character who might as well be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things good storyline or no. I'm sure Rose could be a top-tier character too if she had top-tier writers but I'm not going to pretend her character even warrants that much importance over literally everything else.

>Either Rey should've gone dark or Kylo should've gone light
The latter would remove all threat from the last film. The only way is for Rey to fall to the Dark Side and then be turned back in the last film; or more interestingly Kylo is turned and she remains the villain.

I agree. What's weird is that I find Finn's character almost weirdly racist. They have him as the role of "token black comic relief" so much that it's actually backwards. He is always saying something during battles like "yeah, how you like that?!?!". His portrayal feels minstrely.

>yet his fans want to pretend he could have been the omg best character ever didn't you know?

I'm not sure where you are seeing that but a defective storm trooper could easily have an interesting backstory that isn't: He was the janitor.

> falls in love with a tranny.
so you mean Rey

That's why the movie should have just focused on the Luke/Rey/Kylo storyline. Other characters quite literally don't fucking matter, their writers suck ass anyway and it was basically filler.

Kylo goes light, Jake Skywalker doesn't believe it, turns to the dark side, takes over the Resistance to hunt his former apprentices down.

How is that for subverting expectations

>Pussied out of having Kylo be redeemed
Redeeming Kylo IS the pussy option

The fuck Jake Skywalker?

Im honestly shocked there arent people up in arms about this.

They push so hard for diversity but really they just want more tokens.

>And the worst part is his shining moment was right there and he was about to take it
>But it got ruined by another token (romance sub plot)

It would only be the pussy option if he was redeemed without Rey going to the dark side. The protagonist becoming the antagonist and vice versa would be genuinely fresh.

Well he doesn't. Just like Rose and Poe don't have interesting stories but I'm not making threads about them boohooing like it's so unfair that a forced diversity sidecharacter doesn't have a good storyline. Who would have thought and more importantly, who fucking cares? His character doesn't even have to exist and the story could still be good without him. At least the people who complain about Luke and Rey have the excuse that they are important characters that are supposed to fucking matter and be written half-way decently. I can understand people making threads about them.

If it was done in conjunction with Rey turning to the dark side then it would've been interesting. IX would actually have a powerful, threatening villain and an underdog protagonist, for one thing.

yeah. young will smith would have been way better. why is it so hard to find a new black kid with that guys charisma during his heyday? all the ones they get to try to replace him SUCK!

don't worry delusional sjw are constantly crying about him not being the top priority and mc of NuWars "it was HIS TURN" even though even if he was white he still wouldn't be that important because he's a side character who doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

i feel like they think they wouldve copped too much flack making him more important or serious so they opted for the safer bet. he shouldve sacrificed himself at some point and brought him back as one of the clones that killed him or something, fuck star wars

>devil
Why are you so angry?

No, the twist is that Elizabeth Debicki (fuck that ugly bitch from Games of Thrones) not only has a cock but is revealed to be PHASMA who was undercover and planned on killing Finn but instead falls for him because he sucks her feminine penis and fingers her asshole better than anyone she's ever been with. So she decides to let Finn go and tell Hux that they escaped. Later (s)he's sitting in her quarters on the star destroyer, listening to a melancholy Yoko Kanno song as the stars go by!!!FACT!!!

It's what fans call the new Luke, since it obviously isn't Luke. It comes from a Hamill interview.

youtu.be/gYIAVvNH8rE?t=22s

I don't think you understood his post.

>black guy and asian woman relegated to a meaningless joke of a plot
>non-human races are under-represented in the rebellion and are killed off in favor of white females

who's the racist now?

>Pussied out of having Rey turn to the dark side

To be honest f a m, I never really saw much sense in Rey turning to the dark side without it seeming like my dumb chinese cartoons.

There's enougg there. Pain of her parents abandoning her, Luke turning out to be a bit of a cunt, having the hots for kylo. I think you could pull it off.

Disney: A new Asian female character!
>it's an autistic mechanic

Disney: A new latino male character!
>it's a thief

The avergae is probably 5'6 because of how many asians there are

you can't argue with those trips finncuck cry more

Tfw 5'4 siilian manlet with 5'10 swedish/norwegian gf

BDT plays the first character in the series that follows stirnerite egoism. First logical person in the universe is a great achievement for the hispanic race.

Unless I misheard (which is admittedly likely) I'm pretty sure that when Luke has her meditate Luke says that she was being tempted by the dark side and didn't even attempt to resist it.

That's why global averages are irrelevant and you need to look by ethnic group. Germanic peoples are around 6' average, that's just how it is. If you have to compare yourself to Orientals to feel like less of a shortarse then I feel sorry for you.

>Pussied out of having Kylo be redeemed

It would be kind of funny if it turned out that Luke raped Kylo at his summer camp.

>trips and now dubs

Finnwhales BTFO!

if they wanted better representation why would they delegate him to the role of jester whos only purpose is to make the white woman look better?

Finn has always been comic relief though
>drinking out of a dirty pond
>constantly grabbing someone's hand for a few cheap chuckles
>goofy mannerisms
>needed to be constantly saved

It's only more blantant now in TLJ, Finns character has always been a glaring, underdeveloped problem from the start.

You heard right, but that's what makes it seem like a chinese cartoon.

Kylo cannot be redeemed without dying, and that can't happen until the 3rd act of the last movie.

I still don't get why they would put a guy who works in sanitation on a vital mission with the 2nd in command of the entire First Order

I'm annoyed that kikes cast a black guy in the first place. Good thing that pear-shaped ape is now implicitly homo and mixes with chinks, latter which explains its tanking in 中国大陆。

Ya I was mad. I wanted Finn to continue with his character development and so cool shit with his bro Poe. I was ok with him making the occasional quip, I was steeled for the Disney tone, but HO-LEE SHIT I was not prepared for what Rian gave us. Could have had Finn be a great character, could have humanized the First Order some by having us see some of Finn’s former squad mates, could have NOT PUT THAT STUPID CHINK IN THE MOVIE. But fuck it, the Force is female and we can’t have competent men, even if they are Latino or Black. Fuck.