I like the Sequel Trilogy
I like the idea of yearly spinoff films
I like Rey and Kylo
I like the New Canon and the way its organized
Fight me. I haven't liked Star Wars this much since the 90s. All you underage babies have no idea what it was like to experience the prequels first hand.
>"Mouse shill!"
idgaf. Anyone who thinks Episode 8 is worse than any of the prequels needs to get some taste
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Disagree with literally everything you said... oh and I was born in 1976... son.
POSITIVES
>far and away the most space-based star wars
>resistance plot is speed in space and pulls it off well
>despite being a woman with purple hair, holdo is a captivating character with plenty of shades of grey
>prequel trilogy actually gets some love in the canto bight sequence calling back phantom menace's tatooine act
>rey shows weaknesses and faults (actually fleshing out her character)
>kylo shows strengths and doubts about allegiences (actually fleshing out his character)
>luke has failed and this actually effects his plot unlike some superhero who is heroic for the sake of being heroic
>fucking puppet yoda
>the suicide run was straight out of my animes
>snoke was a chump and the twist that he really wasn't that important felt good since trying to make him even more evil than sidious would have just been embarrassing
>luke vs kylo
>fuck you, porgs are adorable, didn't effect the plot like ewoks, and were kept mostly in the background
>papabacca
>hoth's placement always bothered me by making the rest of the movie sort of anticlimactic, action-wise; krait at the end was a fitting 'final stand'
>the 'true' story of luke searching kylo, becoming horrified, and then resisting the dark side fits perfectly with his character and actually bridges the OT and ST unlike Han and Leia
>johnson (who i don't care for) actually broke the boring abrams/spielberg/cameron mold and inserted a good amount of panache in the direction
NEGATIVES
>finn and rose didn't do much to endear me to them
>luke's exit wasn't quite as centerplaced as I would have hoped
Overall, 7/10. 3rd best SW after ANH and ESB. It seems normies hated it because it made TFA pointless, which was good in my book because TFA was a pointless movie to begin with.
6 > 8 > 3 > 5 > 4 > 7 > 2 > 1
Why do I get the feeling I'd find this over at r/StarWars?
I haven’t seen a retard that enjoys eating shit in the wild for some time. Monitoring this thread.
Because everything you dont like is reddit
Why did you like Star Wars so much in the 90s? What the fuck was happening then other than speculation about Phantom Menace?
>idgaf.
Stop lying lol
Phantom Menace hype train and general positive outlook of the franchise. Things are never going to be that optimistic ever again
I disagree with you, but I respect your stupid and ill informed opinion.
The EU reboot was the best thing to ever happen to the franchise
>Fight me
>Idgaf
>Speech marks in green text
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Agreed
Thanks for the bump. You just made me 50 cents
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>All you underage babies have no idea what it was like to experience the prequels first hand.
Anyone of any age can experience them first hand, they're not arcane knowledge. What you mean is they wont have experienced them when they first came out and had the feeling of expectations being shattered. Finish your English homework before posting user.
A bald assertion isn't an argument. I've already refuted your representation based arguments. Give me something else.
I have nothing to argue. You are right, im a disney shill and I just made another 50 cents thanks to this post.
Keep em coming. Trying to make $200 with this thread.
why make this post? hurr durr im contrarian and fuck you. really? again what was the point of making this post? why not do it like some of the other threads such as positive things about the last jedi or the sequels series or something like that. why sit here and provoke?
Same reason for all the anti tlj threads. To spark discussion.
Preach it, brah.
I'm positive 99% of Star Wars shitposting is done by ASSBLASTED DCucks who can't get over how shit their movies are and have gone on a crusade against Disney for some reason
Like just mention something negative about BvS or JL in ANY Star Wars shitting thread they all get hypertriggered it's hilarious
Thank you OP.
Star Wars isn't just a thing for socially alienated white men/boys anymore. It's grown beyond that little niche, and it also needs to lose the baggage associated with whiteness/maleness to reach a larger audience and have more influence.
Lots of the lessons and teachings embodied by Luke Skywalker are white, masculine and western in character. They've been done to death. The monomyth, Joseph Campbellian structure is dated and stale, and it can't keep running on those fumes forever.
I sympathize with lots of the grumbling white male neckbeards are doing. Star Wars was their thing and they don't want to share their beloved toys. And they're obviously gonna hate The Last Jedi because, in essence, it's about how Luke's legend really was flawed and limited in its scope.
The Jedi philosophy, just like the phallocentric white male western patriarchy, was bogged down in its own dogma. There's something beautiful and touching about the sentiment of "passing the torch" in TLJ. The white western male, long held as the only source of heroism and power in the canon, gracefully steps aside not only for his own good, but for the good of the universe.
In more diverse and progressive hands, there's no telling what this universe, and the force along with it, might become. It's an exciting prospect, to say the least, for those who aren't embittered neckbeards living in their parents' basements.
TLJ is going to be a watershed moment in sci-fi and genre films generally. It's all about letting go, letting your creation grow beyond you. And Star Wars, like civilization itself, has evolved beyond its parochial and patriarchal past.
Let us know when you realize that a shitty movie doesn't become good just because you've seen a shittier movie.
It also doesn't become bad just because it didn't live up to your expectations
How do you quantify bad then? If something is less than what you expect it should be, then by logic it's bad from your perspective.
Good point actually. For me, there is a stark difference between something that has let me down, and something that is bad. I don't know where I would draw the line, or how I would even convey that, but I don't think I'd call TLJ bad. I wouldn't even call TFA bad even though it dissapointed me to no end.
Not same user but don't you want to be challenged by films? I try not to go into them with all kinds of expectations like some autistic checklist I need fulfilled. I want films to surprise me and go in directions I may not have considered in my own imagination/headcanon.
I thought TFA was atrocious but TLJ was fairly entertaining. Was kinda bummed seeing fans react the opposite. It was nice seeing traditional Star Wars conventions turned on its head with some ESB-like subversions thrown in aswell.
Yes and no, if a previous movie sets up plot points and the sequel goes "lol no" with no coherence or reasoning, other than at best "lol subversion" and then rounds it off with no real momentum into the next movie, then I feel it's not done what I expect of a middle man movie, and also what little originality it has done fell flat.
Also I wasn't the original guy, I just pondered the question about quantifying bad beyond not living up to what I expect out of a movie of that calibre. I wasn't expecting specific details, I was expecting something of worth/substance and I felt it didn't give me that.
Isn't this pretty much how ESB ends with aswell? At the end of ESB, there's really no change in the overall story except some major character revelations and losses. Just like TLJ.
It at least ends it with one of the most iconic Star Wars moments and that's enough to make people tune in for more.
I thought the Snoke throne room and Luke's stand off against Kylo has potential to be iconic enough. Atleast for it being nuWars.
Yeah I guess, but what about those makes you interested in IX?
3 > 6 > 5 > 2 > 4 > 1 >>>>> RO > 7 > 8
I want to see what Kylo does as the leader of the First Order and how it will play into "killing the past". And also if Rey will attempt to kill or save Kylo after killing Luke.
Of course this would've been more effective if it was the same director for IX but hopefully JJ and Terrio walk the road Rian paved.
Nice measured response. Refreshing to find in these threads. I do disagree with you about TLJ. I'm a big fan of risk-taking in massive blockbuster franchises because it's so rare. Maybe I grade on a curve a bit because I wasn't expecting half of the things that happened. But I see where you're coming from
I think that's probably the big issue with all this, the changing of directors so no single vision is going to tie the movies together, I'm not upset at Rian for trying something new. It just clashes so much with the movie leading into it, and I can't envision a world where it wont clash with IX. If IX brings all three movies together and makes it feel like an actual series of movies I'll probably have a different view of the trilogy as whole. I just really don't see that happening, especially not with JJ.
Well I'm not as angry or zealously hating of the movie as most people are, it just didn't work for what it was trying to do. For me at least. I also don't have an agenda of wanting the series to die, which is clearly the case for some people.
They confirmed that Ep9 is going to tie the whole saga together. I'm not worried about JJ struggling to find a satisftying conclusion to 8
This was the worst written, poorly thought out and executed movie I have watched in years.
Non of the characters act with any internal consistency or logic and the movie utterly feels pointless because everybody ends up where they started. The movie plethora of bad pacing and choppy editing, some scenes have no establishing shots and last for literally no longer than 10 seconds
The humor is really bad, even for Disney standards, nothing lands. It feels like it got dragged from GOTG2 cutting room floor and turns every character into an ebin quipster maintaining no tension.
It also feels like it was made by some that has never seen a Star Wars movie before, just dragged a list of wiki notes on ESB/ROTJ plot points and rehashed them into something derivative. I am not surprised the fans have backlashed in such a way because they complete lack of regard for the established universe almost feels malicious.
The new characters add nothing to the story and prevent any real development for the newly established characters in TFA, due to this the director then tries to elevate the characters introduced in TFA by reducing the OT characters down to deconstructions of themselves. The end result is a mess of half backed ideas, pseudo intellectual themes and missed opportunities. The only positive I can take away from this are some of the visual moments which clearly take inspiration from anime and samurai movies, however they are all prevented from shining by bizarre decisions making, awful dialogue or a complete lack of internal logic.
How anybody can defend this on a film making level is completely beyond me
Here's how the Disney wars should have gone, this simple.
>Rey didn't have to be a marry sue
She gets into the flacon, they are escaping and instead of having her ripping pieces of circuitry out of the ship and pretending that is a great way to say you fixed the ship, have her pilot the falcon while chewy and han work on the mechanics. You could even give some shots and references to Luke flying his x-wing as he destroys the death Star. Learning to let go and feel the force in her piloting abilities as she finds herself truly as free as she's always imagined. Her force abilities could have been kept too, even beating Kilo, with one simple plot point: Rey is a force anomaly. Like neo is a matrix anomaly. The force, in its natural tendency to become balanced, created Rey the same way it did Anakin and for the same reasons. The dark side had shifted to a similar degree when snoke awoke and started turning Ben Solo as in the same way anakin was conceived after sidious and plaguis were making giant leaps in experiments and we're almost able to create life themselves. If you had to, you could even make Rey the reincarnation of Anakin, which I think is what they were wanting to do with the flashbacks in tfa but that seems to have been dropped.
This could all have been explained by Luke in exposition in tlj, if they didn't commit to assassination of former characters instead of letting them have a proper send off after passing their mentorship and wisdom to the new crowd. Luke could have taken his father's saber, lit it up, smiled, handed it back to Rey and said something like, "let's get started" or something and then give her time to train and everything. Like a 3 year gap between episode 7 and 8 would be fine. Meanwhile the resistance and the fo are duking it out and by the time episode 8 starts it's crawl you could actually reasonably say the fo has finally cornered leia and her resistance and have given some kind of urgency or desperation to the entire chase of tlj
Which OT characters got reduced? Luke was given character growth within the story. While some are mad about the scene with him over Ben, it's important to remember that he ultimately decided against it. And his downfall is due to losing students, some dead and some to the dark side. He felt like all he had accomplished after ROTJ was twisted into something worse. That made a decent argument for his passive attitude towards the rest. He was convinced that his actions were doing more bad than good. Of course the end is him embracing the symbol he can be and he does his western-like showdown with Kylo. I thought it was nice seeing a jaded mentor re-discover his youthly heroism.
>Luke and Leia switch deaths
This is obvious. Kilo should have been shown as truly a servant of the dark side by blowing up his mother, and given the entire twist not twist part about staying on the dark side after killing snoke some depth and not just Rey saying the believes in him or what ever. Balance the claim from a character with a visual for the audience only and instead of playing it like you pulled a post modernist twist you give it as if the audience knew Rey's pleading would fall on deaf ears and that her lesson should be different.
Luke must die facing kilo in the end of episode 9 in a kind of echo to Kenobi in ANH. His sacrifice should give Rey the opportunity, not the ability, to overcome kilo and the fo.
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Based
Something that Ep8 made me realize is that Kennedy and LucasArts seem to be more keen on giving directors the freedom they desire than say Marvel. I always thought Disney as whole was very anti-director but it seems they let Rian tell the story he wanted with some demands of affirmative action.
Oh and seeing how Luke will mind fuck Kylo.
Every OT character got reduced did you watch the movie?
Hans death barely even gets acknowledged, its almost like its a meaningless event to those who were around him and his family
Chewie is utterly sidelined and used a coupled of times for comic relief and to help merchandise sales. Seems everybody forgot his best friend of 30+ years got murdered infront of him only a couple of days ago, nobody seems to acknowledge he has any emotions about all of this
Leia looks completely inept, as a general of the resistance its under her command that the resistance gets utterly decimated. She seems incapable of making calculated decisions or being able to control her troops.
Luke almost murders his young sleeping nephew in cold blood because of what might happen when he refused to kill his genocidal father in the heat of battle who threatened to kill his sister. Everything regarding Luke felt like it was written to elevate Rey
Yoda, for some reason, is being the fake playful cartoon Yoda which was a ruse in Empire to test Luke. Felt like Rian had only watched one scene of ESB and thought that was Yoda. Nothing like how he was in any of the other 5 movies and essentially added as a goofy ghost to give Luke bants
Rey abd Kylo was the only good part of the movie, everything was godawful.
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When a police officer points their weapon at a potential criminal, they aren't "almost murdering them in cold blood". Its called fight or flight. Luke straight up says he wouldn't have killed Kylo, even if he didn't wake up
Personally interested to see if Rey begins to build a new Jedi order in Episode IX. This is what I felt the final scene of TLJ was hinting at.
Disney here on Sup Forums in FULL damage control mode hahahahahhaahahaha
Get the fuck out of here, with your pro TLJ thread. We know what you're here for.
This,
All of it,
It's true
>which was a ruse in Empire to test Luke
The fuck? Did you come up with that yourself?
Yoda was always supposed to be playful. He just taking things too seriously in the PT
There is nothing wrong with liking this movie but it was pretty terrible all the same.
I think every aspect of this movie has significant flaws and despite the allusion of doing something different it actually never does anything really different or interesting.
Seems the directors just went for subversion just for the sake of it.
There was one moment where I thought the movie could be saved and made actually interesting (Rey joining Ben) but nope, they pussied out. Same with Finn, him dying would actually make sense and give him some kind of arc but nope, never happened
Star Wars fans are the absolute worst fans of all fandoms. They expect too much and they want everything while being masochists at the same time. They complain that the new trilogy isn't like the old one with no familiar factions or planets then they complain that a movie like Rogue One was too much fan service. Fuck them. They're fucking horrible. They complain that lightsaber duels didn't have emotion and then why they tried to give you that in The Force Awakens you complain that now there isn't enough of choreographed lightsaber duels in The Last Jedi. This fandom is absolutely the worst that it makes Star Trek and even Doctor Who fans seem mellow.
OP, fuck them, just keep watching them if you like them. There's no pleasing these diehard autists.
This. Also, the early/mid 90s was when the EU was at maximum /comfy/-ness and LucasArts was cranking out god-tier SW games every couple months.
Also, kennerfags can suck a fat one because the 90s Star Wars micro machines toys were the best merch that SW ever licensed.
>fight or flight
wtf are you talking about? he walked into his room, felt he was corrupted, took out his lightsabre, ignited over his head and intended to murder him
Fight/flight isnt a natural response when you see a blood relative going through problems. Anybody with an ounce of decency would be looking to help them not kill them in their fucking sleep
Yoda was actually an important part of Luke's growth. He had to stop wallow in the past and go out there and get some shit done. I thought it was a nice scene seeing the ball busting Yoda back but also have it play into Luke's growth.
Luke was always plagued with doubt and nothing in his character implies he was wholly light. He was borderline dark side numerous times in the OT.
Also you think Leia should've had more presence, I think the opposite. Carrie Fischer couldn't act at all. It was embarrassing seeing her try to act with real actors that all outshined her. If anything her role is too big in this film.
They could've done a better job acknowledging Han's death I agree and maybe have that show through a depressed Chewie.
Yoda was the 'mentor' figure of the Monomyth. And now? Luke is Rey's mentor.
Luke sensing the dark energy in kylo was no different than if kylo pulled a knife on him. Did you like, see the movie? Luke straight up explains that he reacted on instinct (fight or flight) and if given another moment, would have put the lightsaber away
So if you got a premonition that your nephew was Hitler and saw nothing but death and destruction in his future it wouldn't enter your mind to do something? And remember, we get three different Rashomon-style views of that moment and the final one shows Luke immediately regretted thinking that way. But by then it was too late.
>Fight me. I haven't liked Star Wars this much since the 90s. All you underage babies have no idea what it was like to experience the prequels first hand.
In general I agree. Watching TLJ for me felt like watching the OT movies back when I was a kid. In retrospect, I made me appreciate TFA a lot less, because it seems like more a shallow nostalgia trip, while TLJ felt like a new Star Wars experience, and I didn't even really get that from the prequels.
I do disagree about the yearly movies, though. At some point, that's eventually going to lead to creator and audience fatigue. I like the idea of yearly Star Wars, but if it means the quality is going to drop, and people are going to care less about the franchise, it seems misguided. I'd rather it still be an event.
It was a good story that has three movies you could watch and read all kinds of books about. Before the prequels came out, it was pretty much a self-contained story (except for the EU, which still wasn't that big, and easy to ignore or not know anything about), which made it more like the classic legends and myths it was trying emulate. If you were a kid that was also into reading stuff about King Arthur, Robin Hood, and Greek mythology, Star Wars just felt like a modern version of that.
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I can understand some aspects of why the Sequel Trilogy would be good, but I can't see it as good. Star Wars is such a massive name in pop culture, so there should be a lot more care and effort put into these movies than usually done. I honestly hate TLJ the most out of all the Star Wars movies and I don't like what Lucasfilm did at all with TLJ because I don't see that they care about Star Wars and why it was good. Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy don't care about Star Wars, so why should I care about their movies?
Rian is based. He channels the power of the weeaboo. If you browse Sup Forums and hate what Rian's doing you need to
GTFO
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Opening Crawl
Credits
Leia's Theme
Binary Sunset
Imperial March
Cantina Band
The Emperor's Theme
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The Droid Army March
Duel of the Fates
Battle of the Heroes
A Solemn Occasion
The Tide Turns
Across the Stars
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The fuck?
i sure as fuck wouldn't
You mean, _the desperate, random money-making_ direction?
Well he was right
Didn't Ben immediately start slaughtering Luke's students after that confrontation? Clearly he was mentally fucked and Luke could sense it
It has nothing to do with expectations. It was objectively bad.
If you have a natural instinct to murder your family members then you are most likely a psychopath. What events led to Luke acting like a psychopath, old age?
Rian cant even order his scenes right to sell it either, having Ben destroying Lukes Jedi order first out of anger over his teaching FIRST would actually make Lukes 'moment of weakness' at least a bit more understandable
You shills are sad people. No one likes this piece of shit, sorry
This can't be refuted, shills BTFO once again
>Far and away the most space based
They literally shit the bed with their ineptitude. It's always been about space mysticism, space reality isn't a good idea when technology has stopped progressing in you story 5000 years ago. They tried being realistic with their "muh we're running out of fuel" and completely missed the point of how that makes no sense, especially in a story where engines are powered by reactors not fuel
Tldr; you're an idiot and I stopped reading after the first sentence bc you're too stupid to function
>I like new canon and the way its organized
Then why is it contradicting itself. For the books and comics that are stated to be "equally" canon as the films and TV shows, why did one of the new novels state Rey and Poe had met yet TLJ shows they haven't? Disney has had control of their rebooted continuity for 5 years and already fucked up harder than Bantam did in 10 years.
It's not like he's going around contemplating killing all his family members, it was just Kylo for a split second. FFS.
Yes, beacuse reactors run on magic.
People talking about TLJ ruining Star Wars when:
Midget bears defeated the Empire in ROTJ
When the Force became a number of midichlorians and Anakin built C3PO in TPM
When Jedis and Clones became almost entirely CGI in AOTC
When Anakin became "the chosen" and thus rendering Luke pointless in ROTS
When the entirety of the OT was made irrelevant through rehashing Empire vs Rebels in TFA
When a simple joke became the basis for a whole film in R1
But no, it's TLJ that "ruined" Star Wars and not the unimaginable amount of retarded shit in previous films.
This is how psychopaths think.
>It was objectively bad.
Art is subjective. You know this. Everyone knows this. Critics loved it. Some fans loved it. Some fans hated it. Saying something is objectively bad doesn't make it so. Here endeth the lesson.
>Midget bears defeated the Empire in ROTJ
They didn't. It was Han capturing the Imperial AT-ST and holding the reinforcements from the bunker hostage that won the battle, you retard.
>number of Midichlorians
Except ROTS outright states Midichlorians are manipulated by the Force, not the other way around.
>entire CGI in AOTC
99% of Nu Wars movies are CGI as well, TFA in particular.
>Anakin because the chosen one
Are you dumb? Seriously?
>Luke pointless in ROTS
Not at all, retard. You are a stupid shill.
If art were subjective, no one would create art.
Dude the midget bears fucking embarrassed the galaxy-owning Empire in ROTJ. Don't play around it. People have hated that for 40 years now.
>Except ROTS outright states Midichlorians are manipulated by the Force
Doesn't change that you can measure the Force with a number like DBZ
>99% of Nu Wars movies are CGI as well, TFA in particular.
Atleast most characters are human. Atleast nothing as bizarre as having 50 jedis spin their light sabers at nothing.
>Anakin because the chosen one
Anakin is indeed the chosen one that brought balance to the force. Luke was a mere instrument to that goal.
Huh? Explain
Oh fuck off. The Last Jedi is the first good Star Wars movie in 30 years.
Lots of pacing issues and plot holes, plus character inconsistencies between various points in their character arcs, keep it from being great. I'm pretty sure you can cut the entire Canto Bight arc from the film and it'd be not only better, but no more confusing for the omission.
But it's still a really good film. The music and visuals are great, probably because this is the first Star Wars by an actually skilled director since George replaced all the talented people who worked on the OT. The core emotional arc between Rey, Kylo, and Luke works really well and everyone involved gives great performances. The action is really fun when it counts, like the opening with Poe or Luke's short but sweet duel with Kylo, despite the pacing dragging a lot during the second act.
Overall, I rate 86/100 - better than anything *since* the OT, but weighed down by too many plot and pacing problems to be on the level of the originals.
It's good for you, if you like it.
Glad to see that somebody can be positive about this.
I am not happy with the fact that Disney is handling Star Wars like that, of course I never really had any optimism for the Disney trilogy in the first place.
>Snoke has his eyes on Ben
>Ben starts developing Vader-tendencies
>Han & Leia send Ben to Luke so he can hopefully help him get over it
>Luke feels a dark presence in Ben's room one night
>checks on him via the Force
>sees Vader 2.0
>instinctively turn on lightsaber
>turn it off immediately, feeling immense shame that he can't shake for the rest of his life
>gets crushed by a force wave
>wakes up to dead students, massacred by Ben giving Luke's premonition a lot more validity
>LUKE'S A PSYCHOPATH THO HUR DUR
Star Wars isn't just a thing for socially alienated white men/boys anymore. It's grown beyond that little niche, and it also needs to lose the baggage associated with whiteness/maleness to reach a larger audience and have more influence.
Lots of the lessons and teachings embodied by Luke Skywalker are white, masculine and western in character. They've been done to death. The monomyth, Joseph Campbellian structure is dated and stale, and it can't keep running on those fumes forever.
I sympathize with lots of the grumbling white male neckbeards are doing. Star Wars was their thing and they don't want to share their beloved toys. And they're obviously gonna hate The Last Jedi because, in essence, it's about how Luke's legend really was flawed and limited in its scope.
The Jedi philosophy, just like the phallocentric white male western patriarchy, was bogged down in its own dogma. There's something beautiful and touching about the sentiment of "passing the torch" in TLJ. The white western male, long held as the only source of heroism and power in the canon, gracefully steps aside not only for his own good, but for the good of the universe.
In more diverse and progressive hands, there's no telling what this universe, and the force along with it, might become. It's an exciting prospect, to say the least, for those who aren't embittered neckbeards living in their parents' basements.
TLJ is going to be a watershed moment in sci-fi and genre films generally. It's all about letting go, letting your creation grow beyond you. And Star Wars, like civilization itself, has evolved beyond its parochial and patriarchal past.
>Anakin is indeed the chosen one that brought balance to the force. Luke was a mere instrument to that goal.
Nah, it's a Father, Son, Holy Ghost thing. Anakin, Luke and Rey are all part of the same process of balancing the Force after Sheev fucked it up.
No, you're the psychopath for thinking that murdering a family member who you think has a problem is a rational action.
It's like you didn't even read my post
Star Wars fans are reaching levels of retard I never thought possible
Maybe Luke should have talked to him when he woke up instead of "instinctively" thinking about murdering him in his sleep like a psychopath.
... Well that's most likely what he was planning on doing
Turning on his lightsaber was a mistake, a base reaction to seeing the evil inside Ben. And considering Ben IMMEDIATELY STARTED SLAUGHTERING HIS FELLOW STUDENTS after this scene, what Luke felt was probably very evil shit.
This is literally how psychopaths think.
The allegory is that some dumb hick pre-millennial parent may have been railing on the blacks in front of their kid, then is shocked and appalled to learn their kid later became a serial murder-rapist who targets underage black women.
Star Wars isn't science fiction; the science never really mattered. It's social fiction; the speculah is sociological.
Those situations are in no way similar.