Mark Kermode claims people who dont like The Last Jedi are misogynists

Mark Kermode claims people who dont like The Last Jedi are misogynists

I he right Sup Forums?

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People who like star wars are misandrists.

Everyone else is just normal.

We should really just say normal people and misandrists.

>having opinions about someone else's opinion

wew

Yes.

The fact you even have to ask makes me guess you are also a misogynist.

only internet faggots give a shit about these words, rest of the real world just saw a mediocre star wars movie

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kermode has always been a huge faggt

Of course he's right, because the Force is female.

The sheer stupidity of that tweet...

>The new Star Wars is great, especially if you don't like Star Wars.

Also Kermode has been steadily going downhill for some time now so this is hardly surprising.
When speculating about the reasons why Blade Runner 2049 had bombed he agreed with people who suggested the "unprogressive" portrayal of female characters was a decisive factor.

Kermode is cucked. If he can't see the flaws of this movie through his social justice goggles he's a shit critic.

No, I hate TLJ because I hate non-whites. I don't hate women, as long as they know their place (which the ones in this movie don't).

Believe me, if men were running the rebellion they wouldn't have a bunch of cunts in charge.

>the reading comprehension of a brainlet

yes

Pretty much. 90% of the threads on here bitching about TLJ focus on Admiral Holdo and Rose. Holdo is the same no nonsense military officer you've seen a million times, but of course she's a woman with purple hair so she's a stupid cunt for not pandering to her subordinates who shouldn't question her orders

Rose isn't the strongest character, but her interaction with Finn develops him and she explains where the First Order get their resources from. But she's not attractive enough so Sup Forums bitches.

There are other complaints, but if these characters bother you, it's probably you

In a nutshell. Fuck this guy.

>Kermode lives in Brockenhurst, Hampshire, with his wife, Linda Ruth Williams

>Williams followed her English degree at Sussex University with an MA in Critical Theory. She earned her PhD from Sussex on Lawrence, Nietzsche, Freud and Feminism.

People who hate terrible writing are misogynists because the protagonist of the drivel they hate happens to be female. Feminism truly has come a long way from being a reasonable movement about equality of opportunity and female agency. Well done women.

The autistic rage ITT just proves that tweet right desu senpai

She had no logical reason to withold her plan. It's not the character's fault. It's just weak, shitty writing, and it's not even the weakest or the shittiest thing wrong with the plot.

>genuine criticism
>autistic rage
Uh huh. Thanks for the input mouseling.

This is why Star Wars: VIII has such a high critic score, you are not allowed to dislike this film.

If you do

1. You are literally a nazi (because you dislike the POC in lead roles)
2. You are a misogynistic troll (because you hated the woman lead)
3. You are a basement dwelling manchild sperg (because you cannot tear yourself from the original trilogy)

Now imagine you write for XYZ magazine and you've been told to review The Last Jedi, and in reality you didn't like it for all its many many faults... but don't really want to be trolled / doxxed / get death threats / family threatened / fired... so you say "yeah it was good, go watch"

>genuine criticism

It is interesting to witness the mra when he is blinded by autistic rage.

>Mousesplaining
tldr

Finn's so called development in TLJ is nothing that hasn't happened in TFA.

Rose is a non-character. She only exists to spout liberal non sense, until she becomes the SW equivalent of the Kardashian girl handing Pepsi to riot police.

Admiral Holdo would be as stupid if she were a man.

Rey decides her purpose in life is to turn Edgy White Boy back to the lightside and willingly puts her life on the line for him.

How are these strong characters?

Well, there is something weirdly political about a lot of of the hate the movie is getting. But there's also something weirdly political about much of the praise it's getting.

no, becue if you switched all the gender roles it would still be a pile of flaming shit.

>To see things and characters change
Can someone explain this to me? How have things changed? It's the same story. It's still the Rebels who have the last jedi vs The Empire led by a whinny edgelord with a red lightsaber. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. All you managed to do was say the last 7 movies have been utterly pointless. Poe's whole story was pointless, Finn's whole story was pointless, Rey's whole story was only there for Kylo and didn't do jack for her. So what the heck are they talking about?

IT

SUBVERTED

YOUR

EXPECTATIONS

dubs says that the next guy who makes a Star Wars thread has his mom gets culturally enriched by Allah.

>"haha hitler did nothing wrong gas all jews haha"
>"how can you call me a nazi so unfair"

Hi Kermode.

It's a culture war battlefield.

That is what Star Wars is now.

How much fun is that?

Way better than all that daydreaming of heroism and adventure in a galaxy far far away we used to do.

And the really great thing is it is all pervasive and you can have no escape. Not even in to your fantasies!

Did we see the same movie? Every character is changed by the end of Episode VIII. I think the problem for some viewers is they can't understand that the entire film is about failure. That is what Yoda tells Luke. Pass along everything, even your failures and the lessons they teach. It is subversive for a big budget mainstream movie. There's very little "success" in the film. But to say nothing "happens" or nobody "changes" is just insane.

>You didn't like the movie?
>You are literally Hitler

I don't even want to watch movies anymore if this is how things are going to be.

But remember whatever you do instead of watching the prog propaganda will become the next target for Tolerant Progressives to ruin as you cannot under any circumstances be permitted to live free of their control.

A bald assertion isn't an argument. I've already refuted your representation based arguments. Give me something else.

>Movie is about failure.
>subverts big budget mainstream
Well it succeed there. People don't care about the theme compared to the story. This story was pointless and bad. All the character arcs, if you could call them that were forced. Luke isn't like the way he was here, he's not some suicidal cynic. Rey doesn't go through jack. Poe's arc wasn't even needed and nevermind that they had to make his character do this stupid stuff to get it to work. The casino bit had no freaking purpose other than to kill thirty minutes and give a completely unrelated and unnecessary "Capitalism and animal abuse is bad" message. Just because you 'Subvert' something doesn't make it good. World War 1 subverted everyone's expectations. Doesn't make it good.

>Holdo is the same no nonsense military officer you've seen a million times
No, the resistance lady in the military uniform who was standing next to her several times is that no nonsense military officer you describe. Canady and the others on the First Order also act professionally. Holdo is the problem.

Thing is, I actually really liked the movie which is why I find it very unfortunate that the discourse around it is so awful.

I think Star Wars is fucking dead and women killed it, just like they kill all male hobbies.

SOMEBODY HAS AN OPINION ON TWITTER AAAAAA

(you)

>for not pandering to her subordinates who shouldn't question her orders
Bitch we're all going to die so could you please tell us the plan?
>lol no sweetie
I'd mutiny too.

Mark Kermode is a typical aging europoor boomer from an upper middle class backround. He subscribes to the same light socialist left cookie cutter world view all euros do

Your new pasta sucks. It’s not going to catch on

Calm down Mark

>Sup Forums hates TLJ
>literally daily threads about how women can't understand film, have terrible taste, ruin every movie and tv show, etc.

He is right. There's a ton of overlap between those who hate TLJ and those who hate women on these boards. Those two things may not be linked, but he's right about the crowd who is against the movie, at least in these parts.

t. brainlet

>Bitch we're all going to die so could you please tell us the plan?

Don't forget that her plan was to run towards a planet, launch escape ships, all of them larger than a X-Wing, and hope than over a dozen of Imperial Star Destroyers won't notice. Fucking brilliant.

>subordinates who shouldn't question her orders
As a leader in any position, business/military, you have to make your orders very clear in dire times when they could come under questioning, and explain why you are utilizing such tactics. Holdo comes off as a completely ignorant character because she doesn't see a mutiny impending when she gave no logical reason why her plan was going to work. In fact, she didn't even reveal what her plan was to anyone. If she told her subordinates the actual plan they would have passed it down the line until it went to the Captains. Poe's concerns would have been alleviated, and they could have used 1/3 of the script for something more productive for the story and characters. Instead, all of the characters ran in circles while Holdo sat in the commander's chair, abusing the little power she had.
>I don't have to tell my plan.
>SO I WON'T.
The movie gave no reason why she couldn't reveal the plan. Plain and simple. It's a point you can't argue.

you can hate it for the sjw bullshit, or jst because it’s an awful movie

That toe is applying some significant force to those trousers.

>those who hate women on these boards.

Women - can't live with them, but they won't go away.
God forbid someone notices the absolutely common trend of women who ruins any space they invade. Yes, invade, because they cannot create their own.

Kermode never encounters reality

He doesn't even drive a car, he gets a train from Brockenhurst to London for his BBC shows

In his world, everyone earns six figures for intellectulising manchild entertainment, reads the Guardian and lives in a 100% white rural idyll

This literally makes no sense at all. Wtf are you talking about? Who said this?

Sadly no one gets to sit out the culture war.

Or escape from it, even just for the couple of hours to watch a stupid movie.

A bald assertion isn't an argument. I've already refuted your representation based arguments. Give me something else.

See below

Finn only cared about Rey at the end of TFA. He didn't care about the Resistance. Now he's willing to give his life for them. Rose is a prominent side character meant to act as a foil to Finn. And you are projecting your political prejudices hard here. Rey wasn't trying to turn anyone at the end there, so you might want to reexamine her character arc.

How is Holdo different from Admiral Adama from Battlestar Galactica? Aside from gender and hair color?

When he didnt know the plan, he started his own off the books operation. The minute Poe knew even a sliver of it, he threw a mutiny. He began the movie disobeying orders he didn't like. At what point has Poe made himself out to be trustworthy?

No, she didn't reveal her plan to Poe. She did reveal her plan to the officers on the bridge that backed her when she fought back against Poe's mutiny. Leia clearly knew her plan when she woke up. Everyone who needed to know, knew. That's how it works in delicate situations. Like when your enemy is using unknown means to track you. It's a plan that would have worked fine if Poe's plan didn't pass intel to the First Order.

Poe is irresponsible and is lucky he wasn't shot over this

Kermode is a far-left Guardianista. Why is this surprising?

Everything is misogyny now, disagreeing with your corporate overlords is now a hate crime.

less than mediocre imo with a few real world breaking things in it but at the end of the day, you are 100% correct

???
Did you intend that response for a different comment?

I used to like Mark a lot but the last year and a half he's really become a giant douche.

I'm fine with watching movies about a cute girl go on space adventures, I think most of Sup Forums is. But if you can't see this is poorly written feminist power fantasy that's shitting on a beloved franchise then I feel sorry for you

The problem is many critics / reviewers care less about if the film is good, and more about it fitting their narrative.

It might not even be the critic's own politics, it might just be them afraid to criticise something that will make them a target of social media outrage.

If this exact same movie was made without the Star Wars setting, it would not be profitable. (Sup Forums would also likely be indifferent to it, but that's another story)

If you watch Star wars 8 as Spaceballs 2 it's not that terrible

So I guess Mayo's brother who not only disliked the movie but correctly predicted it would divide audiences is a woman hater. Why don't you have him on?

Kermode is a fucking faggot who likes the sound of his own voice and sucks William Peter Blatty's dead dick!!!FACT!!!

>she didn't reveal her plan to Poe.
>That's how it works in delicate situations. Like when your enemy is using unknown means to track you.
Okay. I'll give you that. But Holdo knew Poe just prior held a much higher rank and he's extremely invested the success of the resistance. He's trustworthy because of this and knowing what kind of human being he is (HOTHEAD FLYBOY) he's going to try some dumb shit if you don't let him in on something. She displayed horrible judgement for someone in that position. She didn't have to even be specific.
>A plan is in motion and we'll all be in safety soon enough. We're currently being tracked and I don't want to give out further information that can jeopardize the operation.
Wow. Problem solved and Poe is still demoted and doesn't know shit and she can get her strange satisfaction of stomping on his ego that she enjoys so much for some reason. Everyone is happy.
>Leia clearly knew her plan when she woke up.
It wasn't Leia's plan? Leia went into a coma, Holdo came up with the plan, and Leia knew what the plan was when she woke up.
>Poe is irresponsible
Actually as an audience member I was on Poe's side the entire time because the movie gave me no reason to trust Holdo. It painted her out as someone who didn't have a plan. Seeing Poe take his own initiative made him out as the real protagonist. That was the only reason anyone was even invested in the Canto Bright sequence. We as an audience thought Poe, Finn, and Rose were going to go out and save the day. Knowing what I know now, they're efforts are a waste of time, so why would I waste my time watching it again? I won't btw.