Batman

>Batman
>fascist
I haven't read many Batman comics recently. Is Batman a fascist now, or just from the average tumblr user's perspective?

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There are so many versions of Batman I don't fucking care at this point
The only true version of Batman is the Adam West one, and if you disagree then you're a faggot that deserves to get shot

What do you think?

>MY Batman
Why do they all sound like actual four- year- olds throwing tantrums?

Why were you on tumblr in the first place? And why did you leave it?

The version of him that was in Batman v Superman was written as a murderous fascist... however, it was also made quite clear that that was a Batman who had lost his way and needed to rediscover his humanity.

Meaning, that version only worked because we know it's at odds with his usual characterization

Because that is what tumblr is.

In a recent interview Ann Coulter called Trump a fascist specifically for hiring family members into high ranking gov positions.

It's basically just a pejorative devoid of meaning at this point.

The well known term for that, which there is no way Coulter isn't aware of, is nepotism, a close second being cronyism, none of these things are within a thousand yards of fascism.

I'm pretty sure the modern definition of fascism should just be updated to "any political party, entity, or action that the person saying 'fascism' currently disagrees with"

They're referring to Dawn of Justice.

yeah why isn't batman dancing anymore
wuuush swoosh

well, they recently changed the definition of fascist, so yes he sort of fits into that

Except he never murdered anyone

He's kinda fascistish, but in the fun way.

Hey I don't agree with it, I'm just saying that that's a popular opinion about the movie.

literally hitler

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That's also what Sup Forums is so....

>No regard for innocent bystanders
>Is now a psychopath and wasn't before
>Apparently doesn't protect the innocent anymore

What?

I love it when people who watched BTAS immediately assume they know everything the character is and should be without picking up a single comic.

Dobson's demonizing of Frank Miller is hilarious given how the writer is in real is.

How do I know this is Tom Preston
HOW

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>the Batman that's been popular for the past 15 or so years
>Posts Dark Knight Returns Batman which is 30 years old at this point

Dobson is an idiot.

The way the comic is set up makes it look like he's trying to imply that Bathitler is the version you should be supportive of. Like the previous images were what he was talking about and the final image was what he imagined a good Batman to be.

Why do you guys act like the 'bad end' for Batman isn't always him becoming a fascist though? Brother Eye, the all-knowing surveillance system? Him and his Bat-Bots stopping crime before it happens in Kingdom Come?

There are clearly versions of Batman that lean heavily in on his ability to force people to his own will using technology and finance.

>Dobbo made this crap
Why I'm not surprised?

Batman is still a regular neoliberal Billionaire who still abuses the proletariat.

No, it was something in the visuals not just the "strongly held stupid opinion" part

People in Germany during the second world war loved Hitler and we can say that Hitler cared deeply about his nation as well
During war times both sides has its own heroes just saying

We need more socialist heroes who fight corporation crimes.

Criminals have more rights than victims according to liberals

No, criminals and victims have the same rights. Human rights.

criminals give up their human rights when they commit a crime libcuck

So you're saying Batman is indeed HItler, and we're simply on the wrong side of history?

You can't give up human rights. The reason you have human rights is because you're a human.

Brick layer by day, masked human rights lawyer by night

so 3 decade after debut comedy adaptation is the true Batman? might as well say TTGO is the true titans

Not sure if he can be a brick layer, marx says the revolution has to come from the higher classes, as the proletariat is "corrupted/melted" by the day to day work to know they're screwed and how to deal with it.

>the government institutions are hopelessly corrupt and a force of evil and vigilantes privately funded by a major corporation are the only thing standing between civilized society and total insanity

Batman is a hardcore Libertarian

I don't like Miller's characterization either and I think he is an enormous hack who got by on his artistic skills

If he was a libertarian, he would have no problem with killing instead of consistently relying on a faulty criminal justice system

Isn't that why he brands the exceptionally bad criminals, so the dregs of society takes care of his dirty work for him?

Human rights are a man made invention and have recently been perverted to give rights to those have showed no respect to the rights of others because someone is a weak idiot who thinks that simply because we're the same species that they deserve the same amount of respect. The fact they've killed or robbed someone doesn't seem to matter because apparently we're all inherently good and just need proper "guidance"

Rich White Vigilante who beats up poor oppressed People of Color.

Of course hes a fascist.

Last I checked, Batman isn't socialist, militaristic or particularly nationalist. So I'd say Fascism in this case is just tumblr using words wrong like usual.

>human rights are a man made invention
so is punishment for crimes

Sup Forums is at least 80% tumblr these days.

I knew Ann Coulter was dumb, but did she really mix up fascism and nepotism?

On a good day.

Batman has been fascist ever since Frank Miller and people like this about him

Superheroes are fascist by definition.

Batman in particular it's pretty anarchofascist.

They're specifically talking about Batman v Superman's Batman, who definitely comes off as a murderous fascist.

He is heavy authoritarian.

>Batman is still a regular neoliberal Billionaire who still abuses the proletarian


No, he isn't neoliberal at all, he does abuse the proletarian but Bruce doesn't believe in deregulation or the free market

"fascist" is one of those words that's now devalued because idiots apply it to anything they don't agree with. Like how "racist" has been so watered down that people use it to define anything that seems vaguely questionable.

General consensus agrees that people don't want to be around those who do things like rob and steal.

Being authoritarian or oppressive doesn't make you a fascist. Bruce Wayne being a disgustingly rich ceo of a multinational corporation is pretty much as far from fascism as you can get even as an authoritarian. Fascism, at least, old school Nazi Fascism, believes in comandeering the capitalist system and forcing them through regulation to serve the "greater good." Socialism is a key pillar of fascism

Yeah, at his core he kind of IS fascist, especially when you take future versions like Kingdom Come into account.

Or that story where he got superman's powers. The dude rules by fear with force, and if he has the chance, he DOES crack the fuck down. Kind of a stupid thread, to be honest, especially people getting bent out of shape with Batman being called fascist as if this is somehow a new thing.

>butterfry

Imagine being so fat you looks at things and see food

In all honesty, fascism has become a buzzword now because liberals use it to describe anyone who's against them these days. They truly don't know what fascism is or have even experienced it and probably wouldn't know it until it put a bullet in their head, which is what would actually happen to them under fascism.

Kek no, he is anarchist in many ways and pretty fascist in almost everything else libertarians are an American corporate meme

I'm shocked by how ignorant Americans are. Fascism isn't Socialist, Socialism can be fascist, but not all fascism is Socialist you idiot.

Fucking Pinochet was a neoliberal fascist

When the fuck has batman not been a fascist. He's been a shithead authoritarian my-way-or-the-highway fag since the 80s at the latest

Being an authritarian my way or the highway fag could be any authoritarian system from communism to fascism you dolt.

Pinochet had the right idea about socialists though. The only good leftist is a dead leftist.

All superheroes are fascist.

How the hell does your mind equate vigilantism with automatism?

I know it's controversial, but, I prefer the 60's batman and second is BTAS.

Because I'm a pleb that hates reading.

if they were fascist, they'd overthrow the government and rule the underclass with an iron fist. You retards need to learn what fascism is

Socialism will always be inherently fascists because it needs to incorporate authoritarian methods in order to work. You don't think people give up their property voluntarily do you?

Tumblr doesn't actually know what a fascist is and will apply the word to anything that they want to label as "bad." If they understood what fascism is, then they would realize that antifa was a fascist movement in itself.

You can take your "general consensus" and shove it up your own ass, 'cuz I ain't agreeing with the likes of you on anything.

Nobody is thinking of Pinochet when they call someone a fascist. They're all thinking of Hitler. Pinochet may have put his own spin on it, but classic fascism has three core principles: militarism, nationalism, and socialism under a single strong leader.
Not all socialism is fascist, but fascism is almost always socialist.

Marx also said that "the religion of the jew is money."

depends on what is the actual definition of facist, you know, words can change meaning depend on your feelings

>Socialism will always be inherently fascists because it needs to incorporate authoritarian methods in order to work. You don't think people give up their property voluntarily do you?
Capitalism is also inherently fascist. You don't think people voluntarily obey the police, do you?

Telling anybody to not do anything they want to or to do something they don't want to by that definition is fascism.

Seems a weird definition. Since that would mean fascism isn't innately bad.

Only stupid normies like batman

im saying everyone you look up to is hitler for someone else

No political ideology is inherently bad. It's something you understand with life experience.

And yes, only anarchy is not fascist technically.

Capitalism is an economic system, not a system of government. Capitalism also operates based on voluntary exchange and thus can't be authoritarian. If you don't know what something is, don't speak on it, lest you look like an idiot.

People started equating authoritarianism with fascism, then equated any form of authority to full authoritarianism which they equated to fascism.

>And yes, only anarchy is not fascist technically.
But then you have no rule of law.
And no way to enforce any law.
And if I want to not be raped, murdered or robbed then nothing stops that from happening.

Which means the people who are inflicting those things on me are innately fascist and the system of anarchy enables and permit this.

What about Hitler himself?

We truly are in 1984 and liberals think this is a GOOD thing

Hitler would be Hitler to everybody.

Except the people who believe he was in fact an ancient alien.

I would love to live under the rule of Fascist Batman.

False.
We're in a mix of 1984 and Brave New World. We somehow managed to get the worst of both.

By the way. Demolition Man was loosely based on Brave New World. In the movie, John Spartan's partner is Lenina Huxley, a reference to Aldous Leonard Huxley, the author of Brave New World.

You'd think he'd be the exception to his own rule or something.

>What kind of fool do you take me for?! He's fascist, he's fascist, you're fascist?! I'm fascist! Are there any other fascists I should know about?

But you have the option of defending yourself with any means you deem necessary. No fascism there

Well, I'm not saying it's ancient aliens, but...

>But you have the option of defending yourself with any means you deem necessary.
Robbing the assailants of their free will to do what they want to me. Making _me_ the fascist.

I find this definition rather asinine to be honest, since anyone who restricts or stops what you want to do a fascist.

>voluntary exchange
>voluntary
>he thinks property rights are "voluntary"
this level of idiocy should not be acceptable

The superhero myth in general shares some traits with fascism, mostly because they take inspirations from select aspects of Nietzschean philosophy, but at their core superheroes are strongly individualistic and usually want to reaffirm conventional modern morality rather than challenge it the way fascism does.

On the other hand, they have much more in common with a conservative, "tough on crime" mindset ala Dirty Harry, but that doesn't specifically make them conservatives either.

But again, THEY are not restricted from responding to YOU, and vice versa. There is no fascism in that situation.

He's saying that Hitler is viewed through a loser lens. Churchill had a nice quote about it, you probably know the one.

And how is this interpretation of events not applicable to a non-anarchistic society like one we have now?

"Nobody's restricting you from raping people, it's just that if you do people will be free to punish you for it."

>[Helicopter noises]

the definition of "fascist" has become so fluid nowadays. and it's tumblr.

You really have no idea how shit works right? Americans are delusional.