Alright Sup Forums, now that it's over, let's settle this

Alright Sup Forums, now that it's over, let's settle this.

Would you prefer the ending if Jack was stuck in the future?

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That was the comic ending

I feel the sacrifice would have had more meaning if Jack made it willingly. As it stands, it was a by-product of his actions. An unforeseen consequence.

he should've killed aku in the futre then gone back in time to kill him in the past

now all the people in the future either no longer exist or are stuck with Aku and no way to kill him

Honestly, it could have gone both ways, just that it had to be done well.

Though maybe Jack staying in the future would have fit the direction and tone 5th season took, being content with how things have gone and fighting for the future and when Ashi said that things are in place for a reason in episode 9 (or something like that.)

Was sort of hoping for the stay in thr future ending, we get to keep the friends we got.

show should have ended by having Young Jack show up in a different future, free of Aku. Though Future Jack and Ashi no longer exist either.

The Samurai appears in a city, and it is beautiful and utopian. He bumps into someone and that person says "whacha where you're going Jack".

Yeah, what I figured would happen was that since Ashi has some of Aku in her, Aku would use that to pull a last-minute cheat. His body is destroyed but he can still return because part of him lives (or something along those lines) and he starts possessing Ashi in an attempt to return. So Jack is forced to kill her (or Ashi forces him to) because that's the only way to ensure Aku can never come back.

All the world-building and characters we got to know were in the future.

Nobody should honestly give a shit about the past.

We got exactly what Jack was looking to do, but it felt kind of empty.

I don't know what all the people are talking about, it's really not a bad finale

His whole goal was to get rid of the future that is Aku. If he went back to the future, it would basically make everything for naught, evil would still exist. By defeating him in the past, he prevented the evil of the future and saved far more than the other way.

It was kind of rushed and the reunion scenes weren't properly ended, but overall solid 7/10 ending

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO KING JACK

WHAT THE FUCK WAS HIS NAME

SAKURAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI

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Future. The IDW comic had it right. Instead of moping around doing nothing, Jack was creating an army to save the lives that needed his help in the present, not in the past.

It would've been both bittersweet and noble.

I would have rather had more stand alone episodes mixed in here and there.

These.

He kills aku in the past, thus erasing the future with aku. Ashi's erasure from existence proves this.

Yeah, I'd have been fine with either
>Aku is defeated, Ashi is quickly losing her power/dying and urge Jack to make his decision, he decides to accomplish his destiny and says goodbye to her and the survivors of the battle, going back to the past
or
>Jack almost dies fighting Aku, has a vision of his ancestors, who tell him it's better to go on and live for the future rather than undo what already happened. He wakes up and stays in the future.

So is Sakurai still the biggest hack in existence or does that belong to someone else or even Genndy now?

His name was son. The emperor's name is emperor. His mother's name is mother. Not even kidding.

nah, nomura is way more of a hack but it gets ignored because he does it once each decade

the son thing would be tight, mother and emperor suck though

They're all gone. I hate this.

Originally I would have advocated for him staying in the future but after Aku killed all the characters we knew then going back to the past seems like a better idea. Both scenarios offer closure, in some way.

Yes, because even if everyone died, they would still exist. There is a heaven in SJ universe.

On the other hand, being retconned through time travel probably overlaps that, which mean everyone we loved got erased. I think this is fucking depressing.

Plus i REALLY wanted jack to be happy. I mean, it still a 2002 story first idealized for kids. Jack didnt deserve the shit he got

Thats not even talking about the plotholes.

Sakurai needs to keep easing up the reigns for Bandai-Namco team to do their thing. Smash is so close to having a perfect title but he keeps shitting the bed with some of his idiotic design philosophies

As a matter of principle he shouldn't accept to stay in the future. Not saving the past and the people of the past for the sake of personal ties would be selfish.

>Jack could've easily ended the series here if he didn't save those monk bros

He clearly cares about the people and friends in the present and he should've stayed.

Time travel is one way nigga

If Ashi disappeared then when Jack got sent into the future Aku should have already been dead.

If Aku is already dead then Ashi never existed and then she never sends Jack back in time.

Yeah, I liked the comic better.

why do people assume that time is a linear line and not a fractal of every infinnite possibility that could ever happen

if this shit made any sense there would still be two alternate realities the one where jack goes back and the one where aku is dead in the "future'

It can be 2 ways in form of a closed loop, which this one certainly isnt

>There is a heaven in SJ universe.
>On the other hand, being retconned through time travel probably overlaps that
Who the fuck knows. If heaven can transcend death it can probably also transcend time.

Then there is 2 major problems:
>In the reality where "aku is alive in the future", where most of the series take place, jack never killed Aku. Jack abandoned scottsman and the daughters and aku will rule forever in that time. Bad end
>If that were the case though, ashi was born in the "aku is alive" timeline, and as it still exists, so does ashi.

But we see ashi doesnt exist anymore, so the whole fractal / multiverse falls to pieces. Time is linear in SJ.

So did it never occur to either of them that if the Ashi's father and the future she came from were both gone, that she would also be gone?

Gurren Lagann at least had both characters fully aware that this would happen and wanting to have the wedding anyway before it did. Here Jack is caught completely off-guard and Ashi either figured this would happen but didn't tell him (she doesn't seem too surprised by it), or was just as clueless as he was.

Why did it take her several weeks before she ceased to exist?

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jack should have stayed in the future. he could have been king and had ashi too.

Ashi you could excuse given she doesn't know anything the priestess or Jack didn't teach her, but Jack has had decades to ponder that eventuality.

He really was a foolish samurai after all. Bravo Genndy.

Yeah, though nothing, nothing will keep them together.

In TTGL Nia managed to live long enough to
marry MC because of Power of Love(c) kept her alive. It's probably the same shit here

Of course that only works if Ashi knew this would happen

Considering how calmly she takes it, she probably did.

seemed like it from her final words

She felt pain seconds after Aku's death, so she probably knew this. And you don't to be genius to figure that out anyways. I don't know why the fuck she didn't tell Jack about it though. Unlike TTGL it seemed like betrayal from her side desu

You know, I'm not really sure why he WOULDN'T want to return to the past.

Think about it this way: Let's say you're in a future where the world has been nuked. You basically become Mad Max, the Lone Wanderer, or other post-apocalyptic heroes.

But then you have a chance to go back to the time BEFORE the world was nuked, and prevent the apocalypse. Isn't it more responsible to do that? Sure, it sucks that your friends are wiped from the timeline, but you've delivered billions of people into far, far happier lives.

>Aku just fucking HAPPENS to "accidentally" send Jack right back to the moment he sent him to the future at

This was a fucking hack asspull but if they need to, here's a 10/10 ending that could have worked with it:
>Jack is sent back
>Duels with Aku in the past on top of Aku tower
>Aku himself goes into the future out of Jack's reach in the distant past
>Jack looks out on to the past empire with sadness for a moment before leaping into the new portal returning to the future know Aku will continue his evil reign if he stayed behind
>lands the final blow on Aku and end the series with the same end scene we got, except its the future and now represents the rebuilding of a torn world

Jack literally didn't have one hard decision to make. Whether it involves staying in the future or saving Ashi, he needed to make some kind of choice for a satisfying ending, otherwise it doesn't show what he learned in his hero's journey.

In which case she probably should've told Jack at some point so she wouldn't have a "oops sorry lol" moment.

>Time is linear in SJ.
fair enough

i just dont think that time is linear in real life is what i mean but thats just autism not relevant to the show

>Jack hold Ashi in his arms
>she whispers her dying words
>"f-foolish samurai..."

>Duels with Aku
Did people seriously think Jack wouldn't completely annihilate Past!Aku?

>even the archers had a flat screen tv

Yeah, Aku has NEVER been able to beat Jack in a straight-up fight. Like, even the first fight ends with Aku losing.

Aku really raised the standards of living, don't you know.

You could argue that deleting a whole future and everyone living there for the sake of his personal ties to the past is equally selfish. No matter what he did, people either got fucked or were going to get fucked.

>Ashi waits until Jack has summoned all of his friends from around the world
>travel is still low-tech as fuck so some of them may have journeyed months just to be there
>she waits until everything is perfect
>Jack is finally getting the happy ending he wants
>she collapse
>she starts fading
>"Ashi, what's wrong?"
>"Without Aku... I would have never existed."
>Ashi begins to fade
>at the last minute her face turns to Aku's
>"I HAVE RUINED YOUR HAPPIEST DAY FOOLISH SAMURAI AND IT WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT"
>fades away

>defeating literal evil
>selfish

justin trudeau get off co

I'm with these anons
It could've been either choice but one of the biggest problems with this season is that it didn't develop Jack's thoughts of going back to the past or staying in the future. Heck, for as shit as Ashi was, at least she could've been a character to reintroduce this theme.

Well that and the fact that Jack now has 50+ years of constant battle experience on a comparatively green Aku.
I would say one of the big differences is that the future peeps knew that going in. Remember, Aku played the original opening. They knew full well Jack was a time traveler and that if they succeeded, there was a strong chance they would get retconned out of existence.

They came anyway.

If he didn't return to the past then there would have also been a huge backlash.

I think Jack should have killed Aku in the future and just stayed there with Ashi and all of his friends.

I mean, he spent 50 years without his original family; he probably grew apart from them even if he didn't know it.

But then what about all the people Aku killed? Going back in time is the only moral choice, because Aku has ALREADY WON in the future. He's basically unbeatable.

In fact, is it even possible to kill Aku in the future?

They probably should've made it so that he could return to the past, but only briefly. He returns, kills Aku, and then goes back to a changed future. Now he can never go back to his old home in the past, but he can at least live in peace in a brighter future.

>In fact, is it even possible to kill Aku in the future?
It is, he's still terrified of the sword for that reason. That's why he was so desperate to kill Jack, he was the only thing that could threaten him.

He should've came back for the final battle. Unlike those random ravers, he actually had decent combat experience.

Think about it, it may not have even been possible for Jack to defeat AKU in the future and the only reason AKU lost in the past is he essentially had to fight two jacks, young jack in his emotional and ideological prime and then IMMEDIATELY after almost losing to him he has to fight 50-years-plus-buffed mad max jack who wants nothing more but to slay AKU.

AKU got dp'ed hard by the jacks

There is not reason Ashi receives damage after Aku's death. that's exactly the point where all fucked up.

Why doesn't that make sense? When Aku dies, Ashi is never born. Therefore, as the universe catches up to the paradox, she ceases to exist.

Well, it is arbitrary. If she disappears because the future never existed, Jack couldn't come back from the future either since he had no future to come back from.

Time travel is bullshit.

>Therefore, as the universe catches up to the paradox
Why would it need to catch up? It should be instant.

I don't know, I'm not a physicist.

You just got Gurren Lagann'd

It has more sense if you'd talk about the same scene.

The fact is, Jack was "frozen" in time when he was in the future for over 50 years. When he came back, he started aging again, because Jack was born before the Aku future or the New future was created, so he's not a paradox. Ashi was.

Really Ashi should have remained because she traveled from a timeline that was real just like Jack did. I believe that when you travel to a point in the past before you change the future you become a part of that timeline.

His existence in the past isn't a paradox in and of itself, but the fact that the means that he used to travel back to the past no longer exists means that by killing Aku he also removes that method of travel, effectively cancelling it out.

No, Jack never belonged in the future in the first place. That's why he was in stasis. Aku created a future that effectively never happened, so Ashi became a temporary fixture in the past until time properly registered that she's a paradox and removed her. Jack exists independently of the Aku future, so the loop is closed.
That's also why the time portal to the past put him immediately after he was sent to the future, because in that instant, time started to make sense again, and the stasis ended.

Because in this universe there's a linear time, so Ashi disappearance had to be instant

Not anymore. He was not only old as shit but he hadn't fought in 50 years. It's like language skills. Use it or lose it.

Not him but that makes a lot of sense user. Good work.

>so Ashi became a temporary fixture in the past until time properly registered that she's a paradox and removed her
Why the hell would time need to "properly register" that she's a paradox? It's not like time needs to think about it.

>Jack exists independently of the Aku future, so the loop is closed.
Yeah, but the way of jack returning (ashi) isnt independent of Aku. It is not a very direct case, but thats a grandfather paradox.

This but also

>final scene is Jack going to the guardian portal to fight him so he can get sent to the future

Maybe because Jack NEEDED to exist in the future until he went back to kill Aku, or else time literally couldn't right itself. Jack was necessary to set time back to where it needed to be, but Ashi was not.

...

Because of jack's return and murder of aku, everything is a paradox and the universe should be destroyed. Jack should have stayed in the future.

>I felt him leave me
>still covered in Aku skin
>takes another few weeks to actually die

Sure, but in that sense, Aku creating a new future indirectly resulted in his own death. He created the loop himself that came right back to him and ended his existence.

I'm just happy we got an ending.

So why didn't Ashi disappear as soon as Aku died?

Can someone screenshot this and use it as a response for the inevitable next few weeks of finale butthurt?

If you remove the cause, the effect does not happen. But if you remove the cause AFTER the effect happens, then the effect stays.

NO!

Aku dying happens before jack hits the future BECAUSE IT'S THE FUTURE. When aku is killed, jack that got flung should reappear in a world without aku. Since this presumably happened just moments after the first time we see jack get flung, that means jack never should have seen a future with aku. If there are naturally occurring time portals he can come back, but the things we see him doing never should have happened.

I am still confused. I guess it's because I never saw the first episode. He imprisoned Aku but how did jamming the sword into the ground and yelling KILL Aku? It was almost like injecting him into his own fortress caused a massive overload.

AI YO

>fractal of every infinnite possibility that could ever happen

Because that hasn't been proven.

That still doesn't explain why it took so long for time to autocorrect.

If Ashi never existed why does jack have memories of her. If aku never existed in the future why does jack have memories of his adventures.

>I guess it's because I never saw the first episode.
Why are you watching an ending to a show you never saw the beginning of?

None of the time portals were naturally occurring. Aku created all of them since Jack may have been the first, but certainly not the last to be thrown into the future by Aku.
Time is lazy.

I see you user

I see you

knowledge is unaffected by time, I guess.