>It was the RUSSIANS!
>It was the ALT-RIGHT!
>It was the RACISTS!
>It was WHITE MEN!
>It was MISOGYNISTS!
>It was ANGRY NERDS!
>It was TRUMP SUPPORTERS!
>It was PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE CHANGE!
>It was Sup Forums!
>It was Sup Forums!
>It was Sup Forums!
>It was REDDIT!
>It was WEEABOOS!
>It was PREQUEL DEFENDERS!
>It was BOOMERS!
>It was MILLENNIALS!
>It was DISNEY HATERS!
>It was REY HATERS!
>It was ROSE HATERS!
>It was HOLDO HATERS!
>It was the HOLIDAY SEASON!
>"People hated Empire back then, too!"
>"Dividing the fanbase was intentional!"
>"It did something DIFFERENT!!!"
>"I love how it subverted expectations!"
>"It made me rethink my views on life!"
>"It emphasized muh diversity/inclusiveness/feminist quota!"
>"It was an 'intellectual' film!"
>"It made some people uncomfortable. GOOD!"
>"It was expected to not make much money anyway!"
>"lulz it's just a movie turn your brain off!"
This is the most damage controlled Star Wars movie I've seen since any of the Prequels. The Disney shills are in desperation mode, and it's hilarious what lengths they'll go to. I haven't seen this much shilling since Hillary's failed campaign.
No amount of self-reassurance will EVER "fix" this movie. It was a complete abomination, and the defenders know that deep down in their hearts.
Disney's nuWars was made to pander to SJWs, and it is this very pandering that will ultimately destroy the franchise at some point in the near future. Deal with it.
It was the RUSSIANS!
Can't come up with your own threads, OP? Someone else already did this copypasta earlier today.
Lemme tell ya this is a low energy copypasta
>It was me James the author of all your pain
>1 billion
SEETHING
It was actually the sneedposters
what if it was
>literally
reddit?
>damage control
>making over 1 billion dollarinos
>not including all the constant merchandising money
>critical acclaim will always have more capital than popular opinion which can be written off as "F A N B O Y S"
Disney won 6 years ago, it's too late to stop it.
>toy sales down 46%
>half of fan base mad
>movie regarded as major disaster by anyone who knows anything about film
forbes.com
it's over lads you can go back now
It's still damage control regardless of how much money was made.
People never hated Empire
just sayin
It was always a literal GOAT Star Wars film.
It remains the greatest twist in film history
For fucks sake. Can you stop politicising this shit? You didn't like a movie. That's fine. You're angry about a movie. That's fine too. If fucking autistic. But that doesn't mean you have to act like the movie is a conspiracy against you and everything you stand for. It's a fantasy movie made to entertain children and manchildren and not part of some sinister plot.
>want to make families come to your theme park
>pander to bitter childless women
>it was MAGAniggers
honestly I hope it was Sup Forumsfags because starwars has legitimately always been for children and mouseshills need to go
i'm with Shatner on this
50%!!!!!! WE DID IT!!!!!!
SOYBOYS BTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT WAS ME BARRY
IT WAS ALWAYS ME
...
Oh for fuck's sake. It made 1 billion dollars. Star Wars is a franchise for children. Did you fanboy retards get the memo. Obsessive manchildren complaining about a cheesy series about space wizards and nazi.
why did you post this twice?
RUSSIASN
The movie had abysmal drops and despite opening 10% lower than TFA is going to make 700 million less at this rate. Literally in every comment section in the world people are trashing, in different languages, different cultures
The critic bias/corruption has been exposed just like the shills on Sup Forums and the more damage control is done the more normies will wake up. Mark has been avenged
Fucks sake. Disney made more than enough on this film. it wasn't for you guys. regular people loved this movie. Nobody was in cahoots with Disney.
It makes sense that everyone is being blamed for this movie's poor reception, because everyone actually does hate it. The damage control came around full circle in the end.
>250m production budget
>500m marketing
>Only makes 1billion
>Disney only get 60% of that in the US even less overseas
Best case scenario:
(1b * 0.6) - 750m = -150m
LMAO shill, Disney hasn't even made a cent yet.
>regular people loved this movie.
>50% audience score
Actually that score is weird because none of my normie friends liked this movie. It should be half of them right?
>Can you stop politicising this shit?
Why did they make it political in the first place? It's all politics or no politics, no compromises.
I'm glad you'll never breed. Millennials are nature's course correction.
Is this true? Then why is no one reporting about this?
Kys disney shill
...
> Rian likes the droopy, dopey face
Fuck this cunt
great tactic Disney, surely insulting everyone now is the solution.
$1 billion. Get fucked haters.
Yeah yeah d, tell Kathleen Kenedy she's a cunt.
He fucking ruined the original artistic Lucas vision of Force Awakens when Disney hired him to work on Last Jedi before bringing in JJ. What do you expect from a hack?
>$1 billion.
So it’s a failure, good to know.
Its a star wars movie that was hyped up to be good you fuck. Of course it's going to make a $1 billion.
yea russiasn yo
If it didn't have the Star Wars tag then this shit would've made max $100 000
Isn't it one of the most financially successful movies of all time? I don't see what the disaster is unless this controversy over the plot harms brand awareness.
You should watch more films kid.
The Force Awakens made over 2 billion. 1 billion is a massive drop in ticket sales. That means the next SW films could severely drop.
IT WAS ME AUSTIN
EVEN MY OWN FAMILY
Wish I could be this dumb and naive
>TLJ
>one of the most financially successful movies of all time
What fucking planet do you disney niggers live on? Planet plantation?
I haven't seen the movie, I just presumed anything over a biliion dollars puts it in to the upper echelons of profitability as far as films go. There's like what 30 odd movies that have made over a billion? I don't understand how being in that position is considered a disaster.
>only one billion when TFA made 2
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA OH NO NO NO
Russian here, they fucking deserve all this for ruining mah boy Luke.
Do kids even play with toys anymore? I think even if the nuwars flicks were excellent and the toys were best quality, toy sales would still be down.
It opened at 90% of its successor but since then has fallen to 66% box office. This 24% decline has to be considered the result of the public watching this movie and not liking it nearly as much as TFA.
That's how the higher-ups at Disney will see it.
Business people care about trends, you know? And this is a very worrying trend.
I believe the production cost
>500m marketing
Sauce or bullshit
>not including costs for acquiring the IP into the equation
b-b-but it made lotsa money, like a billiondollars!
So did the phantom menace.
Soon SW will have a phantom fanbase.
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>Dawn of Justice had a more graceful decline
JUST
I can't imagine how buttfucked Solo and episode ix will be with BVS to JL trend.
I think Disney are in a sunk cost situation with Solo and have been for some time. It was DOA before TLJ. Even if TLJ was perfect 10/10 kino, nobody wanted to see a movie about the Kessel run.
>dullest franchise has the biggest drop in percentage
kek
They do, but maybe not as much. There's zero Star Wars video games to buy for your kid right now unless you count that age-inappropriate casino shooter.
REEEE PUTIN REEEEE IT WAS THE FEMALE FORCE'S TURN REEEEE
Toys are awful right now. To me, a good toy has the following qualities:
1. It allows for some degree of imagination, and isn't in too specific a pose (like, let's say pointing forward) that limits that imagination. You can put the toy in different situations, and don't feel like it's only stuck in one.
2. It doesn't make too much noise and can be played with a night. When your parents would prefer you not to play with it.
3. It involves something the child likes, is interested in, or wishes to emulate. This is subjective, but popular things include soldiers, cowboys, bad guys, and explorers. Things the child is not, or does not experience normally.
I base all this for when I started to notice toys becoming strangely unappealing to me. I still enjoyed the ones I had, like pic related, but anything that made sound or was otherwise full of electronics was just a horrible frozen piece of junk that could only be described as an alarm clock. I hated it. Didn't let me play with it how I wanted to.
So my assessment is that current toys don't sell because they make lightsaber sounds when you press a button, and not when a child wishes to make 'bzzzt, crack crack' sounds. Children want to be in control of their toys and their imaginations, and now the toys seem to wish to control children.
Oh, and of course there's #3. Nobody in their fucking right mind wants to have a Finn toy. They'd rather just pretend to be a generic stormtrooper, and not some stupid cowardly cuck.
It's less than half a billion behind The Force Awakens this day two years ago, not a whole billion. Be patient or the boss woman will need to slap you again :-)
The designs are totally unappealing. Everyone wears dirty overalls and a russian tank driver helmet when not just street clothes.
I listened to the spoilers (which I won't provide) and read the negative reviews as soon as the rage began...and after having seen it, I don't get any of them. AT ALL.
To me, all the dislikes are either petty, express a want for the movie to be something different, or completely disregard the basis of the Star Wars story lines. Star Wars is beloved by so many, yet there are some who don't get sci-fi films, so they don't like it. But Star Wars isn't a sci-fi flick (it's an epic story in space), I don't get how sci-fi purists would bother picking apart the physical flaws in it. Explosions with sound have existed in nearly every space movie I've ever seen, for the same reason glints exist in animation: so it's more "believable" (read: less 2-dimensional and more entertaining).
I didn't see the political commentary, possibly because I get lost in movies/stories. Do yourself a favor if you can, and leave the analysis involuntarily injected into our daily lives at the door of the theater.
As for a little levity, some familiar imagery and dialogue, it's fun, not destructive. I'm was there to be entertained...and I was.
Star Wars has always been about the struggle between good and evil. I guess that's polarizing , and people have expectations about how that's supposed to play out. Isn't that our own struggle -- our own want to have absolutes and not have the struggle come to us?
>that moment when your child tells you he/she wants a Porg
Honestly, I'd start spanking then and there.
these russians are bumming me out, my man
Whatever you faggots say, this movie is refreshing, honestly. The comedy was occasionally a bit distracting, but it was also much better acted, written, and executed than in Force Awakens or any of the prequels. I enjoyed this movie a lot.
This
My fav toys in the 80s were the basic action figure of Star Wars and TMNT
When they start producing stupid variations like “ transforming turtle” or “hockey player Mikey” or “coke sniffing leia with realistic snorting noises” I lost interest and never bought any of it
But they *can't* say hey, our audience skews heavily white and male so we should probably try to make something white men might enjoy paying to see because doing anything that might in some way be perceived as positive for white men is the worst sort of racism so they would be instantly kicked to death by Tolerant Progessives.
So even if they wanted to they can't avoid doubling down on #forceisfemale #blacklivesmatter etc. because the alternative is for the entire western establishment to start attacking them with the same dedication they go after Trump.
Pasted from another thread:
Listen you idiots The Last Jedi sucked. But it did not suck because of all this alt-right/neo-nazi garbage. It sucked because:
1. The plot was a modern corporate “set-piece” showcase that made up “cool scenes” and wrote a story around them instead of creating a plot that could generate excitement through it’s narrative.
2. Rey is bad not because she’s a powerful competent women, she’s boring because she is a generic paint by numbers “insert-here” protagonist meant to be as inoffensive as possible so no possible merchandising demographic would not like her.
3. Finn had a good arc in The Force Awakens. Shame then that he apparently forgot it all between movies and repeated it all this movie. That why he was so pointless, not cause he’s black.
4. Canto Bight is a thirty minute waste of time that does not effect the plot. It has no “anti-capitalist message” it has a toothless “hurr greed bad” message.
5. Holdo is a bad character because she is a walking plot device that makes decisions only so others have to take action. She was created backwards. Where they wanted Poe to learn a lesson about “not being a hot-head” but didn’t want him to actually do something wrong because then the audience wouldn’t like him (and buy his merchandise). therefore she makes contradictory and nonsensical moves because she isn’t a character, but a plot-object. None of this has to do with her purple hair (it’s space, some planets have weird hair) or being a woman.
6. Hyperspace ramming as elaborated in detail elsewhere invalidates the entire franchise.
7. Luke had all his character development from a whole trilogy wiped out. All so they could do a cliche “fed-up with life kung-fu master” cliche who then dies from thinking too hard.
cont.
This
I was on Sup Forums soaking in the negativity and refused to go see it, but then got dragged in to see it by cousins and it wasn’t that bad.
Sea slug tits and super leia were the only criticism I have and it’s not THAT bad.
The purple haired woman was too bad
The “i like him too” bit was shit though.
But other than that it’s no different to ESB. When I say ESB in theatres back in the 80s I thought that was pretty shit
8. The First Order are illogical, apparently they built a fleet and accompanying super weapons as big as the Galactic Empires without having a galaxy or empire to fund and build them. Somehow the entire galaxy is fine with them rolling up and taking charge without so much as a shrug because they blew up one system with a weapon they no longer have. The OT empire was well presented in how they ruled and operated the galaxy even in A New Hope. The First Order has no characterization beyond “remember the Empire?” Nothing the First Order does is even remotely related to the Republican party, their pretty generic space facists. They never rant about immigration or healthcare or really anything political other than the same "We hate Freedom" that the original Empire did, and they have a diverse multi-racial and gender equal approach to evil, more so even than the original. Unless you think being obvious pulp-Nazi stand-ins is an accurate depiction of the GOP they're pretty toothless when it comes to current political commentary.
9. Snoke is stupid, lots of critics claim “we knew nothing about the Emperor” but the viewer had no preconceived knowledge about the Star Wars universe in the original films. It stands to reason that powerful characters existed, unknown to the viewer.
In the new trilogy, the universe is established, The evil was the Empire, Vader and the Emperor. For a character of Snokes immense power to exist is contradictory. It requires an explanation. And for characters such as Luke and Leia to refer to him by name, on multiple occasions, and for others such as Rey to never question this, is disconcerting, unnatural and entirely immersion breaking.
cont.
> Hillary's failed campaign.
> Disney's nuWars was made to pander to SJWs
In other words, it was alt-right faggots like you who pushed the audience score with bots and now are using that as an excuse to push your inbred redneck agenda.
Really makes you think.
10. Bad costume design, In the OT and PT everyone has a unique look and silhouette that is both easy to pick out in a crowd and memorable. From the Rebels on the Tantive IV to the Tatooine/Jedi robe look, to the Naboo guard outfits, to the Troopers in the Hoth Trenches. None of the costumes in The Last Jedi do this. I couldn't tell you what most main characters wore much less the extras. Everything is so generic and uninspired you could use it in another movie and no one would notice they were reusing Star Wars costumes.
11. All the ships and vehicles are just the original trilogies with some extra lines painted on. Both the prequels and Rogue One managed to have designs that were simultaneously unique looking but still thematically similar to the original movies. everything save the salt-speeders is just a repainted original with some flaps.
12. Finally It's funny hearing people complain about "fanboys" wanting TLJ to be a retread when TLJ dedicates it's entire runtime to nullifying any changes to the story since ANH. It has been 35 years in-universe and everything is now at exactly the same point it was during ANH, Empire has uncontested rule of the galaxy, Scrappy rebels (They even change their name from Resistance to Rebels in the third act!), Dark Lord ruling the aforementioned Empire, One half-trained Jedi to keep on the Orders legacy (which has been otherwise wiped out), and so-on. The entire original trilogy might as well not have happened now because the universe has been reset to a merchandise friendly timeless limbo.
I want to thank the based user who summarized these flaws so shills can be BTFO with just one pasta. We may take this board back, one day
>was a third cheaper to make
>will have earned 3/4 previous within this month
I don't see a problem.
That's because they didn't pay Carrie Fisher's corpse.
It's absolutely awful. It's worse than all the other films. Fucking atrocious.
You seriously need 4 hours to comb through the entire movei and analyse it.
>still doing damage control
HAHAHAHA
You don't think she negotiated a contract that has the money going to Billie?
Disney made more money with Star Wars in 3 years than Trump did with the money daddy gave him his entire life
Listen here autist
This movie strips away the standard and over-simplified "good" versus "evil" narrative to explore a more complicated version of reality in a way that's highly relevant to today. You can tell that a lot of thought went into the script and the development of overarching themes, from the exploration of Luke's imperfections, to Kylo Ren's complex relationship with the Empire, to the conversation that Finn has with the code breaker about the ethical murkiness created by war.
I agree that Leia's unprotected spacewalk felt ridiculous, but I don't think that warrants rating an otherwise powerful movie 1 star??? I also didn't feel that there were that many plot holes-everything (with the exception of surviving space suitless or Rey's rapid improvement in swordsmanship) felt pretty well explained. I anticipate that unanswered areas of the plot, like what happens to the code breaker or who the other boys were who followed Ben, will be addressed in future films. Who Snoke is and where he came from isn't really relevant. (But perhaps that will be answered by another movie 40 years from now haha.) Regarding the dark force that Rey encounters below the island, I think it's helpful to consider that scene metaphorically.
The effects were strong, there was plenty of action, and it was otherwise fairly similar to former films in the series. I can't think of a logical reason why this movie rubbed so many people the wrong way, other than that it challenges social norms for storytelling. But sci-fi is THE genre to push boundaries and challenge us to think more critically about the world we live in. If you are upset about increased diversity and the narrative shift away from simple good vs. evil storytelling, perhaps sci-fi just isn't the genre for you, and a Western would be a better fit.
I saw it twice and it was even better the second time.I disagree with the 'Popcorn "fan reviews and I'm sure Yoda would agree. As Yoda would say.' A star Wars fab does not crave these 'Popcorn things' ' Predictability,hummph,Nostalgia,hummph."a Star Wars fan has the deepest commitment,the most serious following.You must see this movie twice,to complete your training,complete your training.
I think you quoted the wrong guy, I never said anything about any of that shit. If it was bait then good job though
>Do kids even play with toys anymore?
Does that even matter? Parents and grandparents still BUY them.
My nieces and nephews get wagon-loads of stuffed animals and toys for Christmas and their birthdays even though they'd all much rather just play Minecraft and watch Youtube on their iPads all day.
It should be rated at about 75-85%, not 50%. Definitely better than phantom menace, clone wars and revenge of the sith.
There are too many whiners on this site. Too many star wars geeks who need to get a life.
Can someone please fucking explain to me why electronic toys don't seems to have substantially evolved or improved since the 80s?
Phones and computers are practically space age compared to back then, but toys are literally the exact same shit.
I don't really care about social justice bullshit, I just liked the movie.
electronic toys did evolve user. they're called video games
IT WAS ME BARRY
I SHIT YOUR PANTS
I don't know, I guess I am in the minority here, but I really liked TLJ. I saw it twice and both times I enjoyed it. The entire audience clapped at the end and everyone was talking about it afterwards. I am a huge SW fan and appreciated it going in different directions instead of rehashing everything all over again. We have 2 other trilogies to go back to and enjoy. Sure, it's not a perfect movie but to say that it is a terrible movie or the worst Star Wars movie ever? That's absolutely ridiculous. It's, by far, better than the prequels. Everyone seems to be upset that the story did not go their way. Good! Snoke doesn't need to be the new Emperor. We had an Emperor and he died. The end. Why do we need to know so much about him? The original trilogy didn't say jack about Palpatine yet you accepted him for who he was. It wasn't until the prequels that they gave you the backstory. The casino storyline was fine to me but could have been cut down a little bit. As far as Lukes storyline goes. I was genuinely surprised by all of it, in a good way.Did we really really need to see an older Luke in his 60's jumping around doing flips with his lightsaber? For me, it's not necessary. Some people seem to forget that the original trilogy was not that deep. It was campy, fun, funny and adventurous. It was not full of theories and deep content. I feel like these new movies are bringing back some of that content with a touch of theory talk. We are almost all assured that there will be surprising details in the final film and I for one am looking forward to it.
>Shill tomato
Even IMDB is way better than this shit.
C'mon let be real. Not as good as The Force Awakens or Empire Strikes Back, but a 50% rating??? What up? It's still VERY ENTERTAINING, and it's still STAR WARS!
I like the film. But the hyperspace ramming scene bothered me, I just don't have the time to sit down with a pipe and think about it. I'd love to see where this was elaborated on.
>You can tell that a lot of thought went into the script and the development of overarching themes
No... THIS is the real victory.
Super Leia - actually kinda cool.
Sea Slug Tits - I like this move. Clearly he knew this shit would bother some people and Rian kinda breaks the forth wall with Luke's reaction. Almost Kojima like audience trolling.
No need for much elaboration, if you can crush one spaceship into a much bigger one and destroy it along with another 12 bigger ships just by using something literally all ships have, they should have been doing that all along. That being possible makes all previous space battle look pretty retarded.
Nah Sup Forums already missed the core of the film, which is the unstated, impossible, but palpable romance between Rey and Kylo--all his motivations become clear, as one friend remarked to me, when you understand that he wants to get some. This isn't a perfect film (the attempts at humor sometimes fall flat, for instance), but it's one of the best Star Wars films, which makes it a must see to any fan. I've seen it twice, and would have seen it at least twice more by now if my schedule permitted.
It's a poorly edited film with piss poor pacing, overbearing soundtrack, scene breaking "humour" and awful meta commentary alongside ruining Luke.