Why would practitioners of the Dark Side themselves refer to it as "The Dark Side"? That's something the Jedi call it. Wouldn't it be an Illuminating path to the Darkside practitioners? Wouldn't they consider the Jedi users of the dark side, seeing as how their practices are the antithesis to everything The Dark Side teaches?
That's as stupid as that group in the X-Men franchise that refers to themselves as the Brotherhood of evil mutants though they claim to be in the right.
Star wars is morally absolutist. It is intentionally morally unambiguous to promote a more simplistic universally understood narrative.
It is why in the prequels they recognized the stupidity of this and tried to rectify it by giving imperials this motivation of security and peace.
It made more sense but they couldn't go back and retain the whole "dark lord of the Sith" thing.
Fear is power. If that is embraced there is a benefit to making yourself appear "evil."
No not really. Literally calling yourself emperor of evil is a good way to spark rebellions.
Much better to be called a saint but be a sinner.
they obviously do it ironically
Because it's shrouded in mystery
Because they have no illusions. The Sith are literally a cult dedicated to worshipping evil and making others suffer. Just look at Sheev, he knows what he's doing and having a blast.
Because star wars sucks and always has. Written for kids and manbabies.
Killing anime isn't evil.
>It is why in the prequels they recognized the stupidity of this and tried to rectify it by giving imperials this motivation of security and peace.
The OT already did this to some extent. For example, it shows the imperial officers as being mostly regular blokes who serve an evil regime, not as evil cackling monsters. Also, there's Vader's line to Luke about bringing order to the galaxy.
This guy gets it.
This. Dark as in "dark matter" not "evil".
Though canonically the dark side corrupts your physical form and makes you look scary. I don't know how they rationalize that.
The whole "both sides" thing was something George threw in there to make it more ambiguous for the prequels.
The Dark Side is evil. The Sith know that, but believe that morality is a spook and that might makes right. Palpatine is even a step beyond that, he's basically a psychopath.
>Dark as in "dark matter"
Retcon
Yeah, and also doesn't extended use of the dark side eventually kill you?
>tried to rectify it by giving imperials this motivation of security and peace.
No, that was Lucas trying to insert his leftist politics into things, and about the Bush administration.
No it fucking wasn't see: It works with the OT.
This. I think they know that they are evil but don't give a sith
It literally was. He even put in dialogue allusions to Bush quotes just to hammer it in.
You are retarded. Lucas has outright stated nothing in the PT has anything to do with then (Bush Jr era) politics. In fact he said there is closer parallels over shit with Nixon then Bush, moron.
Yeah nah, fuck off.
Among the gods, your humor is unique.
All sith are basically corrupted Jedi. They know it's the dark side but relish in its power. Some random civilian wont know shit about it other than it's an ancient religion that uses mind tricks.
>retarded
>moron
Yeah, I'm the moron for ignoring the direct reference to Bush's "if you're not with us, you're against us" shit.
Fucking idiot.
Go kill yourself you fucking retarded
Kill yourself over your movie opinions
Retard
Why did the Nazis wear black and red uniforms with skulls on their hats?
No you are the moron because Lucas has outright debunked that.
We're you an adult during 2005? It was widely talked about.
You're either a complete idiot or was too young to know the context and read the news at the time
In ROTJ lucas pushed the "fuck it" button and just went full fairy tale. Thats the why rotj is the worst movie
found the RLM cuckold
Source?
a e s t h e t i c s
Look up Lucas's commentaries in the PT DVDs and interviews he's had during and after the PT films came out.
>Lucas has outright debunked that.
When and where?
He wa saying when he said that. If you weren’t 4 when the prequels came out it was pretty clear the films were a hamfisted commentary in the war against terror.
He's never refuted it in any of the commentaries or interviews I've seen during the time, or in the DVDs.
Proof, or again, you're full of shit, because every thing else you can google up says otherwise.
Skulls were an old military symbol.
There's a difference between that and literally calling yourself "the dark lord".
>on the war of terror
No they weren't.
Yes he did, its not my fault you are too stupid to remember what he said.
>Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under the omnipotent moral busybodies.
Jedi are the worst.
It really wasn't fucking subtle at all, especially in the years surrounding that movie. The media was completely over-the-top with the "Bush is evil" bullshit.
The "if you're not with me, you're my enemy" was so horribly on-the-nose referencing Bush's "if you're not with us, you're against us" that it was kind of cringey.
You don't have the proper context for when that movie came out.
>He's never refuted it in any of the commentaries or interviews I've seen during the time
That doesn't count when you haven't watched any of them.
Because there is literally a dark hole on Jedi island where they go to hang out?
You fuckturd did I said anything about the prequels dogfucker? Go watch jar jar step on alien shit then
Your peabrain is grasping trying to make irrelevant rationalizations when Lucas has outright repeatedly said it wasn't the case, get fucked you simpleton.
>no proof
>"ur stupid for not believing something I remembered incorrectly"
yep, pure retardation
Nice bald assertion faggot.
>this obviously hamfisted commentary isn't commentary because I was too young
ok lil buddy
No he didn't.
>totally believe me, even thought there's absolutely no video or articles covering this!
thought so.
Keep projecting
No villain thinks he is doing evil. Those that intentionally try to do evil are the worst kind of cartoony bullshit villains.
Where's the evidence?
>continues making up shit
>"projecting"
kek
They don't consider being dark inherently bad. Otherwise why would they adopt something known only as "the Dark Side"?
>has no refutations
>ad naseum repeats the same shit anyway despite being called out
>"Not projecting"
kek
you literally only need to google "revenge of the sith" "bush"
If you weren't a child during 2005, you would've actually caught all the direct allegories and quote references in real-time during the premiere
Note that you can't find anything regarding Lucas refuting it with any google search.
Almost like it's... made up.
>has no proof
>"refute this thing I made up"
kek
You are a retarded conspiracy fag.
>no argument, just nonsense claims
>"proof"
kek
Because Star Wars is and always has been black and white but people try to make it into something else.
>That old Alex Jones video where he LARPs as sheev and gushes about how redpilled lucas was for episode III
Christ. Is it possible to lose an argument any harder?
>too afraid to actually google what was stated
Just because he inserted retarded political commentary, doesn't make RotS any less enjoyable. There's no need for you to be retarded about this.
A lot of us wouldn't understand the context if we were kids during that time, like yourself.
>If Revenge of the Sith is supposed to be Lucas getting all anti-Bush on us, it’s remarkably half-assed. Why paraphrase Bush when quoting him outright would sound much less clunky? Why not explore the religious parallel, in which the Emperor gathers strength from his faith and focuses only on the negative aspects of that faith, rather than on its positives? Why not give the Emperor some sort of motivation, other than pure, cackling evil?
>Contrast Revenge of the Sith’s apparent nods to Bush to those made in another recent sci-fi film, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. Sam Rockwell apparently studied Bush’s infrequent public appearances closely in creating his portrayal of Zaphod Beeblebrox, the President of the Galaxy; he closely imitated Bush’s vacant smile, stuttering small talk and clipped delivery, even adopting Bush’s strut.
>Rockwell’s character explains his lack of knowledge of current events with an echo of Bush’s disdain for newspapers, saying, “I’m president of the galaxy—I don’t get a lot of time for reading.” And he says he has two heads because, “You can’t be president with a whole brain.”
>You could dismiss this as a blanket critique of all politicians, as Douglas Adams likely intended when he wrote the Hitchhiker books decades ago, if the lines weren’t spoken in a Texan accent.
>You could also see Revenge of the Sith as an indictment of the neo-con American empire, if you’re willing to look hard enough. Is there some significance to the fact that the heroic Jedi wield blue light sabers, the color of Democratic states, while the evil Sith use red, the color assigned to Republican states? What about the fact that Bush’s second in command, Vice President Dick Cheney, has machine components helping keep him alive, like the Emperor’s sidekick Darth Vader?
It was Lucas shitting on politicians in general, take from that what you want.
>if I keep saying it, with zero proof, it means I win
how do you do these mental gymnastics? And why does it hurt you so much that there's some dumb political commentary in RotS?
>no argument the post
kek
With direct references to Bush in it, who was the boogeyman of the left and media at the time.
Keep in mind, Lucas is the same guy who tried to claim that his Red Wings movie was breaking important ground.
Its ambiguous at best, the parallel with Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is more direct. You can feel free to think whatever you want.
>explain how to look up the proof that it was anti-Bush idiocy
>doubles-down on looking like an idiot
kek
"If you're not with me, you're my enemy" is not ambiguous at all. It was horribly ham-fisted.
Luckily doesn't take away from the Obi-Wan/Anakin fight, though, and it doesn't destroy the movie even remotely.
>prdof
>this is how an ESL third worlder types
kek
Like that quote is remotely unique or original to Bush Jr at all. You know who had that same sort of shit in his later speeches and private talks about political rivals and enemies? Nixon.
>Josh Griffin, a self-described "conservative Star Wars fan," says he cringed when he heard the dialogue at a recent advance screening of Sith. "Star Wars is meant to be a children's movie ... not to be a political statement about someone's liberal ideology."
>But others applaud Lucas for taking a stand.
>"As a liberal and a Democrat, it was comforting," says Slant magazine film critic Ed Gonzalez. "Star Wars is created by real people, starring real people, so it's inevitable it will reflect real-life issues," even if it is sci-fi fantasy.
...it was directly following Bush infamously throwing the quote out, while RotS was in production, and media hounding after that Bush quote like he was the most evil thing out there.
You weren't old enough to understand the context.
>Salon’s Stephanie Zacharek is one of the few film critics to both point out the political parallels and dismiss them, sarcastically saying the Emperor must be a metaphor for Bush since he’s “ruthless, unappealing and arrogant. He’s a cartoon baddie, like Ming the Merciless, or Mumbles, or the Penguin—all of these are very bad men, just like that bad old George W.”
>now typing unrelated nonsense
Thank you for your concession
You aren't old enough to remember why ROTJ was made the way it was were you? You know like the clear geo-political and social inferences with the Battle of Endor on the moon in the jungles where an organized invading force is swamped down by indigenous jungle tribes? You know, like Vietnam?
>Freelance writer Craig Winneker, who accused Sith of bias on the webzine Tech Central Station, says he nonetheless loved the film. "I'm not going to hold a grudge against the movie or base my opinion on world events because of something Yoda says."
Yeah, it was retarded of Lucas to throw in political commentary into a Star Wars movie of all things, but this guy had the right idea. Not a thing to get worked up over.
ITT: Fuckface millennials who don't remember the anguish of the Bush years
RotS. Not RotJ. And with direct references to Bush boogieman crap.
You're really bad at this.
Why are people bitching for or against Lucas always inserting political shit into Star Wars movies? He was doing it since the OT, just not as subtle as he did then as compared to with the PT. One of the things I like about the PT is the politics.
I said ROTJ, not ROTS, specifically for a reason. You are really bad at this.
And have no memory of just how badly over-the-top the media was with "end of democracy" doomsday reporting during the Bush years.
You'd think with current media, it wouldn't be too difficult to understand.
Which isn't relevant, because we're talking about RotS. Which was made during the Bush/Iraq years. With direct Bush years.
>"You are really bad at this" requote backfires horribly
very nice
From MY point of view, the brotherhood of GOOD mutants are evil!
>Lucas is the same guy who tried to claim that his Red Wings movie was breaking important ground.
Do you think anyone showed him the made for HBO movie "The Tuskegee Airmen" before he said any of that?
>With direct Bush
references
Because it's literally dark.
Hard to see, swallows light etc.
It's not a subjective thing.
Which, funnily enough, had someone who starred in both movies
It is relevant because I was chiming on the tangent about Lucas's use of politics in Star Wars movies in general.
RLM doesn't think RotJ is the worst movie though. Not worse than the prequels anyway.
So literally sith lords?
Who gives a fuck what RLM thinks
>Why did the Nazis wear black and red uniforms with skulls on their hats?
Because Frederick the Great did.
the SS didn't invent skulls on uniforms
You're basically reinforcing what I was saying by providing an example of him doing such in the past as well, though, not refuting. So unless you were originally responding to the wrong person, it's not relevant as a refutation
I wasn't giving any refutations or involved in any debate in anyone in this thread at any point. What your saying makes no sense. I commented on the fact its pointless to bring up politics as if the PT invented them in the Star Wars universe in a metaphysical sense, because they've always been there since the OT. That simple.
Still haven't seen red tails but I love the old tuskegee airmen movie.
Does it have any redeeming qualities?
>4chode threw a hissy fit about liberals
>"widely talked about"
Because it's sound cooler
>The Sith know that, but believe that morality is a spook
>The sith know that the dark side is objectively bad...
>...but the sith don't believe in objective morality
What did he mean by this?