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um, no sweetie

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>Kylo is on par with Vader and Dooku

Based review screw

lol. I love the retarded excuse people use to defend this. "Kylo was weakend!!!!!xd" but in tlj shirtless scene he has nothing but a small bruise. from a fucking blaster.

>experienced.

they are gonna go for the ''Kylo Ren is the big bad guy'' in the next movie, Rey will kill him with ease, while Kylo Ren has not won a single battle against her or any force user. SO HYPED! THEY BUILT KYLO REN UP SO MUCH! CANT WAIT TO SEE HIM LOSE AGAIN!

Her duel with Kylo was her least Mary Sue moment in the movie

>the guy that is the leader of a clan of intergalatic super warriors and dismantled Luke skywalkers jedi temple isn’t a force to be reckoned with

If anything he eclipses Vader, especially Dooku

He literally had a compression bandage covering his entire lower waist where he was shot

Our heroes are in danger from the big bad Kylo Ren! How will Rey ever defeat such a foe? the same man that has looked weak the entire trilogy and was beat by the protagonist in the first movie despite it being the first time she held a lightsaber. so compelling! our heroes are in so much danger from this big bad villain!

/thread

>Rey is on par with Luke or Anakin
She should be the worst by far because she's never even touched a lightsaber at that point, but she beats him with ease. The LEGO game version of that battle was better because at least it ended in a draw.

You are retarded.

This.

But also this. Its pretty much impossible for there to be stakes
>General CUX is a push over
>All armies are contrived based on the plot
>Kylo has lost literally every single encounter he's had with other people
>Rey even out "forced" Snoke by predicting Kylo would turn

Who cares if Rey doesn't have a lightsaber or whatever anymore. All the stuff that was interesting or mattered is gone, and the villains are perhaps even worse than Marvel with face-less goons to match,.

>resorts to ad hominem

I won.

And Mary Sue shouldn't be on par with Luke or Anakin retard, she should get beat worse

You mean most
>uses force pull after just finding out what the force is and saying a word
>beats an albeit injured sith apprentice in a saber duel when he should have been able to trounce her with one arm
>is completely unscathed and injures the villain thus eliminating any tension or fear the audience feels

At this point im surprised Leia wasnt force pushing the ship to outrun the First Order fleet

Why isnt Kylo the protagonist? He's infinitely more flawed and interesting than Rey

Darth Tyrannus would dance circles around him until he got bored, then disarm Kylo and kill him if he refused to join him.

He was easily beating her though, until he thought with his dick and tried to get her to join him

Darth Ludicrous would have killed him on the spot though

Maul also killed Qui-Gon and fought both Qui-Gon and Obi-Won at once
I'm supposed to believe this bitch who never held a lightsaber could fight toe to toe with a sith though

You're wrong though.

A) He exploited Luke's indecisiveness and softness
B) We don't see what he really does with the temple. It says he converted some, so it seems likely he didn't fight them all 5v1 or something.
C) Kylo isn't the leader of anything. Just an apprentice of snoke
D) Dooku and Vader both killed dozens of jedi: sometimes when outnumbered.

>gets her ass kicked until he mentions the force, then she thinks about the force for a second, then kicks his ass
Sure, bud.

The Disney model doesn't include strong villains.

Further prove Ring Theory is a thing

Katerina Hartlova

Nothing triggers these faggots online more than calling Rey a Mary Sue, I love it.

Notice how during the film Rey states multiple times to Luke that Kylo Ren is getting stronger and he has no equal other than Luke. They keep telling us Kylo Ren is getting stronger and is a huge threat but they aren't showing us how strong he is, they just keep showing him looking like a weak piece of shit, meaning it doesn't come across. Rey says Luke is the only one who can stop Kylo Ren despite her beating him in a duel with no training. RJ tried to sell the fact Kylo Ren is this huge threat without actually showing why.

A bald assertion isn't an argument. I've already refuted your representation based arguments. Give me something else.

>Luke doesn't even train her
>leaves the planet after giving Luke a beatdown
>Yoda blows everything up and says it doesn't matter because Rey is already the perfect jedi
End it all

That's not an ad hominem, but nice bald asseration.

>The Disney model doesn't include strong MALE villains.

Fixed.

>kylo defeats luke skywalker, canonically the greatest Jedi to ever live, and a whole temple full of padawans
>inexperianced

>Dude who beat experienced Luke Skywalker, who actually beat Vader and the Emperor, and an entire temple full of Jedi
>Not stronger than Vader and Dooku

Kylo never defeated Luke. Luke was holding back, Kylo collapsed the building on him and Luke, he runs away and kills a bunch of likely untrained and far less powerful apprentices and that was that. The fuck are you smoking, if Luke really wanted Kylo dead he'd be dead.

>Kylo is stuck in a headlock by a security guard and can't get out.

Why don't they just cut off his balls on screen?

Kylo's the 'Skywalker' in this trilogy

>kylo didn't defeat luke
>he only incapacitated luke!

sure sweetie
fetch me a sammich will ya

>incapacitated Luke
>literally freaks out, breaks the building and runs away
>first thing he does years later much stronger and more powerful in the dark side is freak out on seeing Luke show up and tries to get his army to fight him instead of himself
Nope

This. Kylo literally has a meltdown and autistically freaks out the moment Luke shows up at the base in front of his men.

>TFA Snoke is calm, thoughful and mysterious.

>Says he will train his apprentice when he returns

________

>TLJ Snoke is a cackling, cliche'd mustache twirler that shit talks everybody including Kylo and doesnt even train him before getting wrecked.

Literally the only good thing to come out of Disney Wars

youtube.com/watch?v=H8lWfnYK7C0

It's great.

>Why didn't they do the same thing 3 times in a row

>Implying Thanos won't get cucked in IW

They never learn

>Luke was holding back
ahahahahahahha

Fucking kek. I wanna see a comic of this

Snoke was a pathetic unimpressive cgi thing in TFA, he wasn't calm, he freaked out several times and didn't even bother when the starkillerbase was destroyed. The character was so crappy Johnson killed him off out of nowhere.

Vader led the 501st Legion and dismantled the old Jedi Order. Come on now.

Spotted the Disneycuck.

>can't give a rebuttal
Nice concession.

Lucas himself said that Luke > Anakin
Kylo beats Luke therefore Kylo is really OP

He ain't playing around. Make one false move and he'll take you down.

At least they tried to justify MaRey Sue with that whole "lol kylo as u get stronker ur lite side equiavlent will get stronker too" even if that makes no fucking sense at all

Agreed.

Kylo never beat Luke. He never even fought him and this doesn't even get into the part of Kylo shitting himself in total fear and paranoia when Luke shows up at the end of TLJ to save the Rebels that his first reaction is to pussy out and have his men try and kill him instead of himself.

they never showed Kylo Ren getting stronger though, they keep showing him losing and looking weak. if he lost in the first movie then he had to beat Rey in TLJ to make it mildly interesting. Now he's going to die in the next one and be 0-2 against Rey. So HYPED! Kylo Ren is such a threat to our protagonist!

>lol. I love the retarded excuse people use to defend this. "Kylo was weakend!!!!!xd" but in tlj shirtless scene he has nothing but a small bruise. from a fucking blaster.
It's also utterly pointless and autistic because it only argues from a story point of view.
It was WRITTEN THAT WAY and it works to the detriment of all characters.
Like people bringing up he was wounded, as if that is some historic fact and not just because it was written that way.
I sometimes wonder if people on Sup Forums are just stupid or autistc that they literally can't for a second forget that neither the characters nor the story in the movie is real and analyze it purely from a storytelling perspective.
Having your main villian lose his first large confrontation with the heroes (no matter if he's wounded or not) just takes away the stakes and makes the following movies less exciting.

Now having kylo kill snoke makes the entire thing even more underwhelming because its already established that rey is stronger than kylo and kylo efortlessly killed snoke.

So that leaves us with literally the lowest possible stakes, everything is so borked and fucked up from a story perspective.

They could have found a million different ways to handle the finale of VII and they chose the one that works the poorest.

Snoke was a totally different character in TLJ.

this is the most retarded shit i have ever witnessed. No training nothing the force autobalances everything. Fucking bury this franchise already i cant watch anymore

even so, they have so many characters at least one of them has to die at the hand of thanos

>implying he isn't

List three lines that justify either point

That seems par for the course for the Emperor-in-a-Star-Wars-movie model, but yeah, I agree. You really notice the change with Snoke, whereas Palpatine looked and sounded different, but doesn't altogether seem too different in VI. The only people who'd notice how the Emperor changed in the OT would be those who read the first novelization.

>Kylo is a PC in TES IV: Oblivion

Wonder when Rey will start brandishing a glass dagger.

>Sorry, Luke, it turns out that training you is the single worst thing I can do
>You see, the force is actually like some shitty server on that Hat Wars game you've got. All we have to do is wait and someone will beat Vader and The Emperor without effort
>If I train you, all I'm doing is getting in the way of that person at best, and at worst risking you falling, thus requiring another person to autobalance the galaxy
>nevermind that the dark side is quite explicitly not part of the balance
>the force is a good, if clearly inconsistent, friend.

There is a simple explanation.

>Luke Skywalker in his first battle flying a craft he has no experience with


It's okay though because he's male

It’s estsblished that Luke used to drive shit on Tatooine that was similar to xwings

kek, maybe if he never sleeps to actually level up he can counter-act this

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It was also established that ray did similar things on jakku growing up by herself

Um sweetie it's established Rey can use a staff

When. All we see her do is salvage parts. That doesn't teach her how to fix those things or fly them.

>beating up drunk miners on a junk desert is the same as regular flight training

He will be killed by Black Panther and we will be kangz (of the universe)

Using a staff against thieves doesn’t correlate with being adept with an ancient jedi weapon against an experienced dark side user

>Implying ST characters and shit they pull off is canon
c'mon now

Sadly he was already an intergalactic cuck in the comics too. His motivations are to impress a women who doesn't give a shit about him.

why didn't kylo just show rey his dick?

He only killed a bunch of kids off-scree lmao

>I implanted a lightsaber on my dick! Now I am on the patriarchal side of the force!

He and his team get regularly chased and fucked up by tie fighters and it's an intense battle. Wedge has to save his ass at one point, he still needs Ben's help and would've died to Vader if not for Han bailing him out. If anything Wedge is the best pilot for surviving all 3 movie battles. Luke crashes his snowspeeder in Empire, eat me.

it was stated beforehand Luke is a gifted pilot and the force was guiding the missle

Who the fuck is that girl second from the left? Talk about MILKIES

With all these major characters from the OT dying left and right, anyone kinda feel like it's GoT: Space Opera (without the sex, of course)?

It doesn't really matter because they are implying Rey is way more powerful than ether Luke or Anakin by this point in their trilogies, and can even ignore coercion to the dark side like it's nothing.

>Yoda blows everything up and says it doesn't matter because Rey is already the perfect jedi
I heard somewhere that when Yoda said "in that tree there is nothing Ray does not posses already" he meant that bitch also stole those books and that you can see them in the last Millennium Falcon scene.

i would fuck the shit out of the two on the left

This, that scene showed the books in a drawer in the Falcon.

That's the 'balance of the force' which was established in the prequels.

>mfw trumpanzees still think this is Star Wars related and not a Nike advertising campaign

I know "right wingers are retarded" is basically a meme at this point, but seriously. Can you get any dumber?

He's shot her down too at this point now.

Which raises the question of how the everliving fuck is she planning on reading them, if they actually are originals.

Obligatory
>"it's Disney, they don't have to explain shit!"

>women ever getting hurt in star wars

that would be sexism