> I think we did eight or nine issues of, “This is what the story is going to be about.” Then we submitted all of that stuff to Geoff, and Geoff came in and said, “This is great, but this is not what we should lead with. We should lead with X, Y, Z.” > He wasn’t feeding us specific plots, but goals, in terms of story. The stuff that we had come up with, we kind of shelved, started again, developed this other [story] in consultation with Geoff.
This is how an editor thinks. Whether you like Cereal Lord or not, he's going to succeed DiDio as DC EiC. Be angry at any and every thing he's done wrong if you want to, but it's going to happen barring something bizarre.
And Geoff Johns literally hates Batman more than Hitler.
He turned Batman into a retard that needs everyone to save him in Earth One. He made him useless in his shitty Justice League Run. He helped Zack Snyder give Batman guns. He wrote the shitty Affleck script with Deathstroke as the villain (because Arkham Origins was so beloved). He wrote the shitty Arkham Knight twist. He wanted a bloody love triangle between Batman and Superman for Wonder Woman.
He is going to run DC into the ground when he takes over.
Asher Morgan
>He turned Batman into a retard that needs everyone to save him in Earth One
Nah, he's fun/.
Jack Cox
Not OP but you sound extremely butthurt.
Batman isn't somehow exempt from being written differently, major comic characters get different takes written on them all the damn time and for the most part (like with the alt verse superman stuff) its just taken as another fun story.. but for some reason you Bat Autists can't handle your beloved Dark Knight being written anything but gritty and serious.
and this is coming from someone who really, really likes Batman. You have no perspective.
Robert Stewart
I definitely get Priest's point. In an industry shoving PC down everyone's throats, it becomes racist itself when they alienate writers to one specific thing in hopes to appealing to certain audiences.
Christian Green
I've read interviews with some other writers who said that they developed their Rebirth storylines with Johns (IIIRC they were Humphries, Venditti, Percy and Benson, maybe others, too) A good editor visibly improves the work of a writer, and you can't deny that's happened to Humphries, Venditti and Percy, while Priest is as good as ever
Charles Price
It's not like he has done Superman any favors either
Blake Sanders
>I have never read Johns Superman neck yourself
Asher Jackson
While Johns would make a fantastic EIC he's not going to be because he's busy managing all the multi-media stuff and he's never stepping down from that.
He would actually probably be a better EIC than he is a writer.
Earth One was actually kind of ironic considering Johns has been one of the biggest pushers of reconstructionism at DC, and making characters less godlike and more relatable was the whole conceit of deconstructionism.
But you could also look at it as restoring Batman to his pre-Crisis years when he would struggle with a handful of mooks at a time and was more of a James Bond type. Of course Batfags hate this despite loving TAS where he was exactly that.
I think he's referring to DCEU Superman which of course is totally Johns fault because anything bad from DC as an entire conglomerate is Johns' fault and everything good isn't.
Chase Gonzalez
Most of his Superman stuff is either mediocre or terrible (his Nu52 stuff is especially terrible)
Geoff Johns is the Michael Bay of comics.
Jacob Lewis
>his Nu52 stuff is especially terrible
Nolan Baker
>DERP DERP DERP ITS OKAY FOR MUH HUSBANDO TO LITERALLY RAPE CHARACTERS FOR SCHEKELS Okay, Johnsfag
Jeremiah Gray
>But you could also look at it as restoring Batman to his pre-Crisis years when he would struggle with a handful of mooks at a time and was more of a James Bond type. Of course Batfags hate this despite loving TAS where he was exactly that.
It's mostly this because Johns started reading comics around COIE. 80s and 90s stuff left the biggest mark on him.
Christopher Garcia
Save for Brainiac and Legion of Superheroes most of his Superman stuff is mediocre or terrible.
Anthony Harris
It is.He ruined Superman worse than MoS by having him BLOW UP A PLANET. Then there was the shitty Darkseid War tie-ins. And making him useless on the JL and the WW romance...
Jaxson Rivera
>Last Son >terrible
Jeremiah Wilson
>He ruined Superman worse than MoS by having him BLOW UP A PLANET.
Oh, so you didn't read it. Good to know.
Liam Harris
My man. Also, Up Up and Away was a fun story. >It was also co-written with Busiek so it was bound to be good.
Also would anyone be upset if I storytimed Last Son?
Mason Lee
>Batfags cry about Earth One Every time. Every fucking time. Having all the heads of everything suck off your favorite character really went to your head. Guess what faggots if Batman is actually human "just like me XDDDD" then he shouldn't beat everyone and everything with ease like Timm and Dini write him.
It's no more unfair to you cucks than Injustice was to WW or Supes.
Cameron Garcia
Johns writes books for retards
Sebastian Powell
when did he write for the Legion
Ian Baker
i'm starting to think the people constantly shitting on Johns are really salty Batfags
Carter Scott
No do it
Nolan Harris
Please do, user.
Oliver Taylor
Holy fuck, DC needs to get Priest on Martian Manhunter ASAP
Cameron Morgan
Happy to oblige. Not going to lie, I'm really pumped for this story.
Isaiah Edwards
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Logan Sullivan
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Luke Ross
I do apologize for not just posting the issues. I'm posting everything so if someone wanted to download the images they'd have the complete series (so they could make their own cbr version). Also none of the pages need to be resized so that's pretty ballin.
Ryan Foster
I miss Chris.
I like Jon, but he should just be Chris.
Ethan Cruz
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Jack James
I really like John (like seriously think he's fantastic so far and his chemistry with Damien could potentially rival Batman/Superman if played correctly), but Chris had such a cool backstory and relationship with Lois and Clark that I completely agree.
Kevin Myers
I've really started to notice the power of memeing on this site.
About three years ago I started telling people Perez's Wonder Woman was her definitive run every time someone said "lol wonder woman has no stories xD" and within a month I didn't even have to do it anymore because it became a standard answer. I'd gather most people saying that hadn't even read it.
About a year ago clearly one guy made a bunch of Johns hate threads within a week and kept sperging about Johns in threads, then suddenly I started seeing it clearly from multiple people all the time.
Six months ago someone started spamming "Cucka" and then that became a thing as well whenever his Wonder Woman is brought up.
I think this is a much smaller board than I'd always assumed and these things get picked up alarmingly fast.
I'll upload it, gimme a sec.
Angel Bennett
They act essentially the same. Jon had to be inspired by Chris. Though, I do like the idea of Clark just having a kid like a human. Because being human is his story.
Mason Turner
I popularized the three masks theory for Superman, Batman, a few others.
Meaning instead of arguing if Superman or Clark are the truth, the people who know both see the truth. I didn't see that before I brought it up, and now I see it regularly.
William Ramirez
I've literally never seen this here before, but it's a cool theory
Josiah Allen
Humphries is honestly the biggest Rebirth miracle. It really shows what having an editor can do for a person writing when you compare his Marvel stuff to his work on GLs.
Cameron Russell
Totally these
Last son was pretty unimaginative. The only good thing that came out of it was Chris Kent. The main purpose of the story was to set up another shitastic Johns EVENT (see Forever Evil/Darkest Day, yada yadda) in New Krypton and all that accomplished was shitting up all he Super titles for 12 months+ with a lot of noise and nonsense that led to nothing more than GROUNDED.
Really heights were hit.
Juan Rogers
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Dylan Sullivan
DESU I saw Morrison saying that a couple years ago. Not saying you copied it because when I first started seeing it posted it wasn't in reference to the Morrison interview.
Caleb Ortiz
Last Son was great. It didn't set up New Krypton. Brainiac did.
New Krypton was good. It was sadly cut short though.
Cooper Sanchez
The conversations on here on DC when something is story-timed or a big event or some such is being brought up (for example, pre-Rebirth or say Multiplicity or the Who is Clark Kent story line, get anywhere from 300-1000 individual IP addresses. The average is a bit lower, but it can still be 100+ individual IP addresses.
Johns is just shitty. He has his fans but no one is going to defend him like they might Morrison or Miller (Frank) or Stan, etc. etc.
Luke Anderson
I think my opinion of Jor-El is severely warped by the show Smallville.
Landon Morales
I think I said it before Morrison?
It's not a not obvious take. I'm sure people said it before me. But I think I was the first to use it often on Sup Forums, and then it gained in usage.
And this was around when Johns was on Superman and Dini on Batman.
Michael Roberts
Poor Jimmy.
Tyler Williams
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Dominic Richardson
I just ignore people who do nothing but shit on Johns. They're usually ignorant.
The new 52 undercut his strengths, but he's normally great.
Jayden Foster
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Gabriel Johnson
Oh snap
Elijah Howard
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Grayson Bennett
Love the Metropolis shirt.
Dominic Ramirez
I never saw anyone hate him until Blackest Night and Flash Rebirth. Though I remember people shitting on Sinestro Corps War even before BN.
That's one thing, because those kind of were shit, but I didn't see the really militant JOHNS IS DC BENDIS until about a year or so ago. The guy who calls everyone who doesn't blame him for everything "Johns apologists".
I remember Sup Forums blowing up over Justice League #1 and it became a thing that Johns was DC's Michael Bay, that stopped a little bit later.
Morrison said it in Supergods and then again in a Fatman on Batman podcast but again I never saw anyone bring those specific sources up.
Cooper Cruz
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Jace Foster
He's anything but great. He's average at best, he peaked ten years ago, and he's directly responsible for the current shitshow at DC.
Michael Turner
Such a good page.
Cameron Hall
I'd like to have both. They would have good chemistry as brothers.
Carter Butler
I stand by most of early Justice League being controlled by Lee.
Camden Watson
Oh snap
Charles Ramirez
His entire run is one big shit sandwich.
Xavier Murphy
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Brayden Brown
See, we know he's not. We know it was Nelson, Didio, and Lee who did the new 52. This is that ignorance I spoke of.
Jason Baker
It's not often you see Superman this angry. Kinda alarming because it's such a contrast. Another character that displays this is Spider-Man.
Lucas Murphy
God I'd love to see that so much.
In Kent tradition they'd be brothers in minutes.
Landon Miller
I really enjoy Lex's lab.
Brandon Russell
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Liam Sanchez
Superdad in the making.
Jack Allen
I agree but that one guy calls you a Johns apologist if you try to do the obvious by pointing out Lee and Harras's stink is all over it.
Yeah even the parts that ARE clearly Johns aren't very good, but the first arc is such a blatant and unrepentant movie pitch where everyone is characterized the exact opposite of how Johns writes them I can't blame him for that.
The entire New 52 is like the exact opposite of everything Johns likes about DC and I feel like it made him kinda check out mentally for awhile. His Aquaman reads like shit he's had on deck for a long time and everything else he did at the time is just boring.
Asher Russell
Yes Johns is the bold iconoclast bringing love back into the universe. Just ignore Infinite Crisis and the subsequent decade long dismemberment orgy.
Samuel Ortiz
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Juan Reed
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Jack Hernandez
He killed like, three people.
He was chiefly about bringing back characters and concepts.
David Hill
=D
Christian Harris
Except for Aquaman and GL he was coasting. He stayed so he could ebenrually save what he could.
Thomas Campbell
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Levi Lee
>DiDio as DC EiC
Someone else has already succeeded Dan as the EIC for DC.
Geoff will be too busy finding jobs for his buddies, like he did for Goyer, as co-president of DC Films, and thinking of new Snap Chats he can have with his fellow Bo-Duke loving friends to spend time editing things he's not interested in, like Green Lanterns who aren't Hal and Flash family members who aren't Barry.
Lucas Fisher
What about the other fifty issues of Justice League where he didn't have the boogeyman forcing him to write with shitty characterization and plotting?
Matthew Morales
>all the people that died in Infinite Crisis >all the people that died in Sinestro Corps War >all the fucking people that died in Blackest Night
Lincoln Anderson
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Lucas Martinez
>Why? I'd be hard pressed to say no to this kid. Taking care of him would be a massive undertaking but you could also use this time to guide them into becoming someone that could make the world a better place.
Wyatt Powell
I'm not gonna defend his murderporn shit but Infinite Crisis was specifically about de-edgifying.
Again, whether that's what actually came out in his writing is another thing altogether. That's the valid criticism of Johns: he talks about de-edgifying DC but then writes edgy shit.
>Yeah even the parts that ARE clearly Johns aren't very good
Zachary Thompson
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William Powell
but geoff johns saved dc
Matthew Collins
Put your name back on.
Aaron James
Not many died in SCW. What about the people who came back in BN?
Hunter Thomas
>a rage that could cower Satan himself..... As per the best superman story.
You would think with how closely he works with the US government and how much good he does and with how FUCKING UNBELIEVABLY FUCKING GOD DAMN FUCKING POWERFUL HE IS, they would take extra steps to try to not piss him off utterly. I mean you would fucking think.
Nolan Edwards
So you admit he's shit then.
Henry Howard
>What about the people who came back in BN? Let's see: >Hawkman and Hawkwoman Killed by Johns in the very same event >Maxwell Lord Killed in the lead-up to Johns' event >Reverse Flash Pointless >Captain Boomerang Not as pointless, but it lead to the very pointless death of a legacy character >Hawk Pointless, also lead to the even more pointless death of a legacy character >Deadman wut
Martian Manhunter and Aquaman were the only ones worth bringing back or that weren't killed by Johns in the first place. Also, way more people died in BN that got brought back.
Julian Hill
What?
Jace Barnes
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Aaron Gray
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Gavin Rodriguez
No, I admit he has done good things and bad things and his actions and words don't always line up.
You know, like most human beings.
I think he's much better as an editor, though. I'm glad he wasn't an editor during the post-Infinite Crisis days because he was clearly at his worst then, however.
Easton Lee
It's official, Bizarro made my shit list.
Jordan Hernandez
>Lois fucking everything up same as always because she doesnt want to be tied down by kids.d >what a fucking bitch. Throw her into the sun and go bang wonder woman
Jaxon Cox
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Kayden Price
Love this page.
Luis Diaz
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Joseph Brooks
Where's that faggot that was going on and on about how Rebirth was all Didio and not Johns now?
Asher Bailey
>And Geoff Johns literally hates Batman more than Hitler.