I think we did eight or nine issues of, “This is what the story is going to be about...

> I think we did eight or nine issues of, “This is what the story is going to be about.” Then we submitted all of that stuff to Geoff, and Geoff came in and said, “This is great, but this is not what we should lead with. We should lead with X, Y, Z.”
> He wasn’t feeding us specific plots, but goals, in terms of story. The stuff that we had come up with, we kind of shelved, started again, developed this other [story] in consultation with Geoff.

This is how an editor thinks. Whether you like Cereal Lord or not, he's going to succeed DiDio as DC EiC. Be angry at any and every thing he's done wrong if you want to, but it's going to happen barring something bizarre.

cbr.com/christopher-priest-on-why-deathstroke-brought-him-back-to-comics-he-wasnt-black

Batman is DC's biggest money maker.

And Geoff Johns literally hates Batman more than Hitler.

He turned Batman into a retard that needs everyone to save him in Earth One. He made him useless in his shitty Justice League Run. He helped Zack Snyder give Batman guns. He wrote the shitty Affleck script with Deathstroke as the villain (because Arkham Origins was so beloved). He wrote the shitty Arkham Knight twist. He wanted a bloody love triangle between Batman and Superman for Wonder Woman.

He is going to run DC into the ground when he takes over.

>He turned Batman into a retard that needs everyone to save him in Earth One

Nah, he's fun/.

Not OP but you sound extremely butthurt.

Batman isn't somehow exempt from being written differently, major comic characters get different takes written on them all the damn time and for the most part (like with the alt verse superman stuff) its just taken as another fun story.. but for some reason you Bat Autists can't handle your beloved Dark Knight being written anything but gritty and serious.

and this is coming from someone who really, really likes Batman. You have no perspective.

I definitely get Priest's point. In an industry shoving PC down everyone's throats, it becomes racist itself when they alienate writers to one specific thing in hopes to appealing to certain audiences.

I've read interviews with some other writers who said that they developed their Rebirth storylines with Johns (IIIRC they were Humphries, Venditti, Percy and Benson, maybe others, too)
A good editor visibly improves the work of a writer, and you can't deny that's happened to Humphries, Venditti and Percy, while Priest is as good as ever

It's not like he has done Superman any favors either

>I have never read Johns Superman
neck yourself

While Johns would make a fantastic EIC he's not going to be because he's busy managing all the multi-media stuff and he's never stepping down from that.

He would actually probably be a better EIC than he is a writer.

Earth One was actually kind of ironic considering Johns has been one of the biggest pushers of reconstructionism at DC, and making characters less godlike and more relatable was the whole conceit of deconstructionism.

But you could also look at it as restoring Batman to his pre-Crisis years when he would struggle with a handful of mooks at a time and was more of a James Bond type. Of course Batfags hate this despite loving TAS where he was exactly that.

I think he's referring to DCEU Superman which of course is totally Johns fault because anything bad from DC as an entire conglomerate is Johns' fault and everything good isn't.

Most of his Superman stuff is either mediocre or terrible (his Nu52 stuff is especially terrible)

Geoff Johns is the Michael Bay of comics.

>his Nu52 stuff is especially terrible

>DERP DERP DERP ITS OKAY FOR MUH HUSBANDO TO LITERALLY RAPE CHARACTERS FOR SCHEKELS
Okay, Johnsfag

>But you could also look at it as restoring Batman to his pre-Crisis years when he would struggle with a handful of mooks at a time and was more of a James Bond type. Of course Batfags hate this despite loving TAS where he was exactly that.

It's mostly this because Johns started reading comics around COIE. 80s and 90s stuff left the biggest mark on him.

Save for Brainiac and Legion of Superheroes most of his Superman stuff is mediocre or terrible.

It is.He ruined Superman worse than MoS by having him BLOW UP A PLANET. Then there was the shitty Darkseid War tie-ins. And making him useless on the JL and the WW romance...

>Last Son
>terrible

>He ruined Superman worse than MoS by having him BLOW UP A PLANET.

Oh, so you didn't read it.
Good to know.

My man. Also, Up Up and Away was a fun story.
>It was also co-written with Busiek so it was bound to be good.

Also would anyone be upset if I storytimed Last Son?

>Batfags cry about Earth One
Every time. Every fucking time. Having all the heads of everything suck off your favorite character really went to your head. Guess what faggots if Batman is actually human "just like me XDDDD" then he shouldn't beat everyone and everything with ease like Timm and Dini write him.

It's no more unfair to you cucks than Injustice was to WW or Supes.

Johns writes books for retards

when did he write for the Legion

i'm starting to think the people constantly shitting on Johns are really salty Batfags

No do it

Please do, user.

Holy fuck, DC needs to get Priest on Martian Manhunter ASAP

Happy to oblige. Not going to lie, I'm really pumped for this story.

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I do apologize for not just posting the issues. I'm posting everything so if someone wanted to download the images they'd have the complete series (so they could make their own cbr version). Also none of the pages need to be resized so that's pretty ballin.

I miss Chris.

I like Jon, but he should just be Chris.

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I really like John (like seriously think he's fantastic so far and his chemistry with Damien could potentially rival Batman/Superman if played correctly), but Chris had such a cool backstory and relationship with Lois and Clark that I completely agree.

I've really started to notice the power of memeing on this site.

About three years ago I started telling people Perez's Wonder Woman was her definitive run every time someone said "lol wonder woman has no stories xD" and within a month I didn't even have to do it anymore because it became a standard answer. I'd gather most people saying that hadn't even read it.

About a year ago clearly one guy made a bunch of Johns hate threads within a week and kept sperging about Johns in threads, then suddenly I started seeing it clearly from multiple people all the time.

Six months ago someone started spamming "Cucka" and then that became a thing as well whenever his Wonder Woman is brought up.

I think this is a much smaller board than I'd always assumed and these things get picked up alarmingly fast.

I'll upload it, gimme a sec.

They act essentially the same. Jon had to be inspired by Chris. Though, I do like the idea of Clark just having a kid like a human. Because being human is his story.

I popularized the three masks theory for Superman, Batman, a few others.

Meaning instead of arguing if Superman or Clark are the truth, the people who know both see the truth. I didn't see that before I brought it up, and now I see it regularly.

I've literally never seen this here before, but it's a cool theory

Humphries is honestly the biggest Rebirth miracle. It really shows what having an editor can do for a person writing when you compare his Marvel stuff to his work on GLs.

Totally these

Last son was pretty unimaginative. The only good thing that came out of it was Chris Kent. The main purpose of the story was to set up another shitastic Johns EVENT (see Forever Evil/Darkest Day, yada yadda) in New Krypton and all that accomplished was shitting up all he Super titles for 12 months+ with a lot of noise and nonsense that led to nothing more than GROUNDED.

Really heights were hit.

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DESU I saw Morrison saying that a couple years ago. Not saying you copied it because when I first started seeing it posted it wasn't in reference to the Morrison interview.

Last Son was great. It didn't set up New Krypton. Brainiac did.

New Krypton was good. It was sadly cut short though.

The conversations on here on DC when something is story-timed or a big event or some such is being brought up (for example, pre-Rebirth or say Multiplicity or the Who is Clark Kent story line, get anywhere from 300-1000 individual IP addresses. The average is a bit lower, but it can still be 100+ individual IP addresses.

Johns is just shitty. He has his fans but no one is going to defend him like they might Morrison or Miller (Frank) or Stan, etc. etc.

I think my opinion of Jor-El is severely warped by the show Smallville.

I think I said it before Morrison?

It's not a not obvious take. I'm sure people said it before me. But I think I was the first to use it often on Sup Forums, and then it gained in usage.

And this was around when Johns was on Superman and Dini on Batman.

Poor Jimmy.

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I just ignore people who do nothing but shit on Johns. They're usually ignorant.

The new 52 undercut his strengths, but he's normally great.

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Oh snap

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Love the Metropolis shirt.

I never saw anyone hate him until Blackest Night and Flash Rebirth. Though I remember people shitting on Sinestro Corps War even before BN.

That's one thing, because those kind of were shit, but I didn't see the really militant JOHNS IS DC BENDIS until about a year or so ago. The guy who calls everyone who doesn't blame him for everything "Johns apologists".

I remember Sup Forums blowing up over Justice League #1 and it became a thing that Johns was DC's Michael Bay, that stopped a little bit later.

Morrison said it in Supergods and then again in a Fatman on Batman podcast but again I never saw anyone bring those specific sources up.

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He's anything but great. He's average at best, he peaked ten years ago, and he's directly responsible for the current shitshow at DC.

Such a good page.

I'd like to have both. They would have good chemistry as brothers.

I stand by most of early Justice League being controlled by Lee.

Oh snap

His entire run is one big shit sandwich.

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See, we know he's not. We know it was Nelson, Didio, and Lee who did the new 52. This is that ignorance I spoke of.

It's not often you see Superman this angry. Kinda alarming because it's such a contrast. Another character that displays this is Spider-Man.

God I'd love to see that so much.

In Kent tradition they'd be brothers in minutes.

I really enjoy Lex's lab.

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Superdad in the making.

I agree but that one guy calls you a Johns apologist if you try to do the obvious by pointing out Lee and Harras's stink is all over it.

Yeah even the parts that ARE clearly Johns aren't very good, but the first arc is such a blatant and unrepentant movie pitch where everyone is characterized the exact opposite of how Johns writes them I can't blame him for that.

The entire New 52 is like the exact opposite of everything Johns likes about DC and I feel like it made him kinda check out mentally for awhile. His Aquaman reads like shit he's had on deck for a long time and everything else he did at the time is just boring.

Yes Johns is the bold iconoclast bringing love back into the universe. Just ignore Infinite Crisis and the subsequent decade long dismemberment orgy.

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He killed like, three people.

He was chiefly about bringing back characters and concepts.

=D

Except for Aquaman and GL he was coasting. He stayed so he could ebenrually save what he could.

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>DiDio as DC EiC

Someone else has already succeeded Dan as the EIC for DC.

Geoff will be too busy finding jobs for his buddies, like he did for Goyer, as co-president of DC Films, and thinking of new Snap Chats he can have with his fellow Bo-Duke loving friends to spend time editing things he's not interested in, like Green Lanterns who aren't Hal and Flash family members who aren't Barry.

What about the other fifty issues of Justice League where he didn't have the boogeyman forcing him to write with shitty characterization and plotting?

>all the people that died in Infinite Crisis
>all the people that died in Sinestro Corps War
>all the fucking people that died in Blackest Night

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>Why?
I'd be hard pressed to say no to this kid. Taking care of him would be a massive undertaking but you could also use this time to guide them into becoming someone that could make the world a better place.

I'm not gonna defend his murderporn shit but Infinite Crisis was specifically about de-edgifying.

Again, whether that's what actually came out in his writing is another thing altogether. That's the valid criticism of Johns: he talks about de-edgifying DC but then writes edgy shit.

>Yeah even the parts that ARE clearly Johns aren't very good

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but geoff johns saved dc

Put your name back on.

Not many died in SCW.
What about the people who came back in BN?

>a rage that could cower Satan himself.....
As per the best superman story.

You would think with how closely he works with the US government and how much good he does and with how FUCKING UNBELIEVABLY FUCKING GOD DAMN FUCKING POWERFUL HE IS, they would take extra steps to try to not piss him off utterly. I mean you would fucking think.

So you admit he's shit then.

>What about the people who came back in BN?
Let's see:
>Hawkman and Hawkwoman
Killed by Johns in the very same event
>Maxwell Lord
Killed in the lead-up to Johns' event
>Reverse Flash
Pointless
>Captain Boomerang
Not as pointless, but it lead to the very pointless death of a legacy character
>Hawk
Pointless, also lead to the even more pointless death of a legacy character
>Deadman
wut

Martian Manhunter and Aquaman were the only ones worth bringing back or that weren't killed by Johns in the first place. Also, way more people died in BN that got brought back.

What?

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No, I admit he has done good things and bad things and his actions and words don't always line up.

You know, like most human beings.

I think he's much better as an editor, though. I'm glad he wasn't an editor during the post-Infinite Crisis days because he was clearly at his worst then, however.

It's official, Bizarro made my shit list.

>Lois fucking everything up same as always because she doesnt want to be tied down by kids.d
>what a fucking bitch. Throw her into the sun and go bang wonder woman

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Love this page.

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Where's that faggot that was going on and on about how Rebirth was all Didio and not Johns now?

>And Geoff Johns literally hates Batman more than Hitler.

I hate this meme

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