So has The New 52 basically been undone, or is Rebirth just rewriting everything yet again?

So has The New 52 basically been undone, or is Rebirth just rewriting everything yet again?

It's a bit hard to follow/keep track of, I feel.

It's restoring elements of pre-Flashpoint, not undoing Flashpoint altogether.

This. Just Infinite Crisis again.

It's not undoing flashpoint, it's more of a "where there's a will, there's a way" with older elements are slipping back

>So has The New 52 basically been undone, or is Rebirth just rewriting everything yet again?

NOTHING ENDS, ADRIAN. NOTHING EVER ENDS.

Convergence basically undid COIE and everything after.. There's now a multiverse of Multiverses, but this is like Infinite Crisis keep what worked toss out the junk that sucked.

It's retconning back some pre-Flashpoint things while keeping other post-Flashpoint things.
Rebirth is basically Zero Hour 2.

Jsa and legion and shazam will have more ripple effects.

They mentioned sivans old time pills from earth s. So magic unwammy.

Not everything is coming back. Final crisis, zero hour, infinte crisis, coie and indenitity crisis are deleted. And any deaths from them except doves.

Barrys death is staying deleted. Starfire and Beast boy never was members of the new teen titans.

The justice leauge is staying the 7 with cyborg.

I wish they'd stop pushing Cyborg so hard.

Final Crisis is still canon because Multiversity was referenced in Rebirth Superman.

>Starfire and Beast boy never was members of the new teen titans.
>The justice leauge is staying the 7 with cyborg.
I hate this. Just have Starfire, Beastboy, and Cyborg be PAST members of the Teen Titans but they graduated to older teams.

Onky canon in rembering something that used to happened. While not on earth.

If you look at this way the rebirth universe never was rebooted.

Whatever. Not everything is going to revert. Or should.

Cry for justice is still in sans roy losing his arm.

Bruce also still "died" and Dickbats still happened

FC is definitely canon

Didio said it didn't. Even if batman still died and dick replaced him.

The events arent exactly the same. No anti-life invasion or reseting the universe back.

Harbringer rembers everything that doesn't exist anyways. Like deleted times.

They made it so the OG leaguers are still canon though in Superman Reborn

Bruce dying is canon, Dick Bats is canon, FC and crisises in general aren't canon. Characters that can see hypertime (it's back! At least according to the Button) remember events that didn't happen in the current flow of the timeline and characters trapped before the change remember like Wally remembering all the shit that never happened unless he gets merged with Black-Wally and gets a new origin. Jay would remember as he remembered his adventures with Barry from his brief appearance, willing to bet the whole JSA and Legion if or rather when they come back into play they'll remember a whole bunch of shit that will just add more mystery of why someone would fuck around with so many events in history that decided the course of how characters fundamentally interacted or acted after the event, like Wally West going from Kid Flash to Fastest of the Fastest Men Alive.

Break up your thoughts, dude. That was agonizing to read.

Wait Roy still lost his daughter?

Rebirth is basically seating New 52 in the pre-flashpoint universe, with a gradual rollback of changes and bringing back pre-flashpoint characters.
As an example, Batman, Superman, and Martian Manhunter all wore their classic, Pre-Flashpoint costumes at some point in this history, the last guy probably having been a founding leaguer. Secret Origin too, is literally canon again, just with the Legion of Superheroes taken out.

Unfortunately they needed a black guy (J'onn doesn't count) and all the others had problems
Mr. Terrific stops Batman from automatically being the smartest guy in the room
Firestorm is weird and kind of goofy
John Stewart stops Hal from being the team's Green Lantern
Black Lightning would mean they'd have to pay Tony Isabella royalties
Vixen is a woman
So instead they went with the boring robocop knockoff.

So it's not undone. Not all.

Superman had his history consolidated to include preflashpoint and nu52. It's the same guy.

Titans is revising and including what old stuff they can with the mess they currently represent. Its uphill but Wally West has returned so it's ok for now.

Its all slowly being reconciled right now. It may be more drastic later.

Yeah.

Its 15 and plus career years again. Not 5 like nu52. Blue beetle had a career and his old costume existed. He was also a member of the jl. He teamed up with nightshade as well.

Wally inserted his side kick and titan days back in. Which brought death-stroke and his old his contract thing and costume back. His son Ravager died as well.

Donnas and wallys old costumes exist again. Dr Light is reverted as well soon. Jericho had his old costume in a flashback.

Most of Supermans stuff is back except matrix Supergirl, konel, the pocket universe and killing of the phantom zone criminals.

Reverse flash reverted back. And his future partly.

Jsa and legion will revert things and so will shazam. Sivanas earth s time pills was mentioned. And the atom knows time is muckered around.

Roy has love with chesire back in. And chesire has her old costume.

Still not everything will revert back.

Should have just canonized the LoSH and had Invisible Kid II get stranded in the present and help found the JL, fuck

Depends on what legion they're using. They might just use the bikini era.

>Its 15 and plus career years again.

Not quite. That pretty much only seems to be the case for Superman and those related to him (mainly the JL). For instance, it's not like Wally was a part of the JL despite a 20 year tenure on the team. They're picking and choosing stuff, not just rolling back the full 15 years.

I have the feeling that King's Mr Miracle is going to bring in more fixed stuf. I don 't know why, but I have this feel I cannot drop.

Since Barry never died in the new Rebirthing he most likely was always a titan and for the 15 years grew from Kid Flash to The Titan's Flash.

15 years applies to everyone. Even if their membership not restored.

Wally was never a Justice Leauge member or a flash taking over barrys spot. Barry never died in this universe.

John Stewerts membership is back in and unknown about Kyle.

It's a re aranged universe.