Why is it so hard for producers to understand; you dont tell people what to like

Why is it so hard for producers to understand; you dont tell people what to like.

If I wanted to watch a pro - feminist movie Id watch.............fuck knows, but im sure theres other films out there.

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What are you going on about?

I still dont get how nerd shit who had the most diversity ("strong girls"/diverse casts/tons of non human characters) in all of media became the fighting ground of modern identity politics

Its like all the shit they want was already part of these IPs but it had to be changed and ruined to appeal to people who dont care about it in the first place

>Want to be inclusive
>Instead of using stuff like "Force knows no gender" or "Force is genderless" no, lets go with "Force is FEMALE, deal with it!"
Then they say stuff like "we didn't want to divide our audience", yeah, fuck you and your shitty marketing tactics, Jewlywood

Cause nerd geek shit was mainstream and a big money maker. Feminist and social justice assholes wanted in on that money and overexaggerated/lied about perceived sexism racism, homophobia, transphobia shit in the industry to cash in and push their agenda.
As you can see it worked...for a time but you can't make people take shit and calli it caviar for long. It is starting to decline ad these fucks are doubling down hard on the identity politics bs. Each new media property, celeb, that runs their mouth is turning so many ppl off to this and this will inevitably result in a huge crash in hollywood, the games industry, even the tech industry as well cause they put this identity diversity bullshit above quality.

Yes... That's how you extend your demography.

Niggers didn't care for it, so you push the lando character up to the front and give him a sword: the force is black

Grils didnt care for it, so you dumb down the independent and sassy princess to a one dimensional girl power character and give her a sword: the force is female

Chinks didn't care for it... Still don't

>the producers are incompetent! t-they don't know what they're doing!

Whity cis male will watch it regardless because of nostalgia. You literally have nothing to lose appealing to blackies and pussies.

But they forgot to make it coherent so some people are bitching about it

Disney is not interested in making entertaining movies. They have nothing to prove, theyre already a household name. Theyre interested in influencing public opinion. Every movie they put out has a political agenda and its only going to get worse.

Dumb paranoid fuck.

They don't have a social agenda. If lynching niggera were hip again, they'd remake american X in 3D so you can feel the curb stomp.

Sjw and diversity is fashionable and marketable. Girl Ghostbusters was a forgettable mess that flopped, but had high scores and get the money back just on the girl power push. Now imagine a competent movie with some nostalgia potential: star cucks.

I say this as a man. When we have been in power for centuries, and done nothing for gender equality, i dont see why its wrong to push female empowernent for a while so they can catch on. You got a problem with that? Is your self steem that weak, snowflake?

>no social agenda
imagine being this ignorant

Doesn't contribute to art or meaningful culture in any shape.

Movies are worse and pointless outside your silly vagina perspective. Books are unreadable since prose doesn't matter, only bechdel tests. Games are bible tier bad, with a nice bow at the end, no challenge or entertainment.

Money wasted in social reform instead of kino things. No wonder the only good movies this year are about strong male roles disregarding female crap

Poignant.
Go back to Sup Forums

Sjw and diversity is only fashionable for a small outspoken percentage. Disney is obviously aware that the country and world at large is not comfortable with that shit but they keep pushing it anyways. Theyre political agenda is priority, entrtainment is only important insofar as it supports their agenda. even profit is secondary at this point.

>They don't have a social agenda
>this is what people actually believe while the producers, directors etc are basically shouting their agenda from the rooftops every day

>gender equality
Except men and women aren't equal and treating them like they are is laughably naive
>inb4 retard thinks im espousing enslaving women
Just acknowledging facts sweety

>I say this as a man

Uh huh. Like one of those "dear fellow whites" where you find out the guy is Jewish.

Disney's only "agenda" is making shitloads of money. They make inclusive movies with female cast and liberal values because this shit is easy to advertise and sell to the masses. Your little nazi larping club at Sup Forums doesn't turn profits. Sorry, but there's no big evil jew under your bed trying to condition society through dumb ass Star Wars movies.

are you really this brainwashed or are you the one hoping to do the brainwashing? everyone can see the agenda being pushed and it's not like they are subtle about it either. you've lost, snowflake. you've lost

the ceo of disney is literally a jew and espn, owned by disney, keeps pushing their agenda despite falling ratings and subscriptions

>If lynching niggera were hip again, they'd remake american X in 3D so you can feel the curb stomp.
kino post

>the ceo of disney is literally a jew
So? Hollywood movie industry is jewish-built and jewish-owned. Thank you for pointing the obvious, Cap

It's not secondary at all. Inclusivity and diversity are paramount on all their big pictures, and all of them are big blockbuster hits.

Sjwing is marketable. I understand that a minority of people actually care, but thr bulk of cinema goers are sympathetic to the cause so having Disney say "you can watch this capeshit and also help in promoting all this social crap you see on twitter all day" is appealing to a big chunk of people.

you can definitely see propaganda elsewhere, but TLJ is just a case of paranoid nerds blowing things out of proportion. Either way, not a great movie. The fact that you guys cite shit that never happens on screen and post screengrabs from delusional leftists and clickbait tells you everything you need to know about said paranoia

here's hoping

>it's a Sup Forums unironically thinks there is a white genocide occuring thread

no it's not jewish built you fucking rat kike. hollywood was built by d. w. griffith. i can't wait until the world wakes up to your shit again

yes cus killing off beloved main characters that made the franchise popular in anticlimactic fashion to replace with boring token minority characters is easy to sell to the masses. Wrong, youre a dumbass

Producers only care about money. If you sincerely think that Kennedy gives a flying queef about girl power, you're deluded by Sup Forums to a helpless degree.

Writers care, some directors care. And ceos let them play with their shitty sjws ideas because they're IN right now.

Make sjws shit go away and 100% of niggers and females writers would be fired on the spot.

stop projecting. i form my own opinions unlike you. they fucking straight up say what they are doing. THE FORCE IS FEMALE. THERE'S TOO MANY WHITE PEOPLE IN HERE. am i even communicating with another a human here? the amount of denial and refusal to accept reality is fucking terrifying

>Snowflake.
Ok mister durden, you're right... Fuckin retard weeabo

>Producers only care about money.
Not all of them. Regular writers and directors can be producers you know? All they need is money.

there comes a point where you don't need more money and you can safely push your agenda

>it flopped because I don't like it!
Meanwhile, in real life

>doesn't disprove anons point
>no you're the retard
>uses the wrong insult
He proved you wrong just shut up and leave with some dignity snowflake

Because it's so EASY. If you grew up on a series you're not gonna stop buying the next product just because it has women power, and that's exactly what they take advantage of, as in "we already have the nerds buying, let's get more people to buy now". It's all about the money, especially since as soon as you show off as diverse then there's articles popping left and right about how progressive your game/movie/whatever is.

Why else do you think barely anybody attempts to do it with a new IP and when they do it it almost always fails?

but its hollywood and disney who is pushing the sjw shit. They know people will see SW no matter what. but including the sjw stuff is still a financial risk but its worth it to them because they think they are doing something important

This is partially true. For small indie crap, you're totally right, but big AAA have hundreds of tie men behind, and they're not gonna let some irritated pussy make a mess of their investments.

That's way, ironically enough, new Ghostbusters was so bad for the gurl powers. No one is going to lose money on an all female cast again for a good while, i fucking guarantee it.

As i said before, if the cultural scenario changes, Disney will change too. They don't care about social stuff.

Block all those shitty twitter personalities, kill off every dyke and negro in a group showroom analysis, make curb stomping and jew lynching cool again...

Then we can have kino movies and meaningful art.

Disney is the expression of the current sociopolitical status. Effect, not cause.

>Hollywood isn't prone to liberal fever and moralist fervor
okay then

Snowflake again... Go back to pol weeabo san, durden is dead, you misread the plot of that story.

Just another proof that only White man can produce art.
Shitskins and roasties are utterly worthless.

>no social agenda
>movies, video games, music, entire business industries, even Howard fucking Stern have been infiltrated by some unqualified female figurehead that is unanimously agreed upon as a negative force on the quality of the product and that ends up turning it into a neutered, uninspired, forgettable turd.
>practically everything you can think of think of being attacked and ruined
>no social agenda

>When we
Wait, I've been in power? really? man, I should have taken advance of that more

>nobody does it with a new IP
>it's always being taken over
This shit pisses me off to no end

Video games have been the battlefield for this shit for a decade now.

And actually so has films.

You just haven't noticed it before now.

the current sociopolitical status is people getting fed up with politically driven big budget movies. No one wants to see that shit in star wars, we just want a good story

Its not a risk whatsoever. Numales dont care. Dykes and niggers are happy. Only you and me are a bit letdown.

TLJ didn't make much money because they're getting lazier. Why even bother making a plot when you can give the movie to some random sjw, make a few toys out of a penguin, and scream female power?

I've been brought up in a equality style of life, it really pisses me off all this feminist bullshit and double standards. But maybe is because I don't come from a backwards country like USA.

You and me want a good story.

People don't care about kino dude, that's why capeshit is safe. That's why sjw is rising.

Blade runner flopped, black panther will make millions. We're done

>i say this as a man

the roast will toast

/pol this pol that the only one riding pols cock is you faggot

No social agenda by the big money men.

It's a fashionable thing... White cis males that actually care about kino are a tiny minority. Using all those mediums and IPs to sell makeup and watermelons is the smartest and safest bet ever made

>When we have been in power for centuries
I'm no immortal, and I'm sure as fuck not in power.

Wasn't always like this, 90s and early 00s America was the best, nobody cared about colors or sexes, no matter what you were you could reach the stars. Now the pendulum swung and we went to the 60s but backwards.

Still hanged up on that huh? Go play some durden fantasy my little buddy. You have no point to make here.

Also, stop being retarded

it's funny because nerd shit has had a ton of strong female characters and they never once scream about their vagina

>Why is it so hard for producers to understand; you dont tell people what to like.

They are pushing ideology and they have very deep pockets, they don`t give a shit.

>neutered, uninspired, forgettable turd
Says you, except if they were commonly unsuccessful then companies would stop trying to do it, but for example TFA with its amazingly obvious diversity checklist went up as one of the most hyped movies of all time to the point where people who don't even watch movies at all know about it

But all this is irrelevant anyway, it's actually pretty simple: because normal people don't notice it, Twitter warriors crave for it and the 'bigot' minority can't do shit about it, it's just a good business decision all in all

Epic stock photo of a graph, Goobergator.
Except TLJ is the highest grossing Star Wars film of all time by a country mile.

youtu.be/Kj3opk1QFTM

>all the laws giving more rights to women passed by men in power
WOW

80s were the golden movie era when everything could be made a joke, and nothing was being pushed. But yes, agreed.

How can anybody make a good plot when you have to include a nigger, a jew, a lesbo and a mean whitey in everything?

Really makes you think...

Not too make this a thing, but any movie that underperforms by that much is safe to call a flop. Think of it like getting a D in college. Technically, you didn't fall, but you thought you were going to get an A. Would you be happy with your performance?

>They don't have a social agenda.

Shill or deeply ignorant.

>Producers only care about money.
Producer can rake money from a lot of financial sources, money from movies are small change.

I used to be a normalfag like 8 years ago fully intent on listening to every side of an argument but as soon as Bayonetta came out and all the popular outlets called it a sexist piece of trash even though the Bechdel Test was a super popular argument at this time, which was obviously ignored by everyone in this context because it didn't fit the narrative I just realized these people were batshit insane

Don't worry user, much like how they shot themselves in the foot with me they'll end up doing it with everybody sooner or later

>No wonder the only good movies this year are about strong male roles disregarding female crap

>BR2049
>Dunkirk
>Baby Driver
yep, it checks out

This seals the idea of directing by committee.

Having the writer/director didnt pay off, hence abrams coming back.

TLJ will be the last actual movie by solo director we will see in a big franchise for a while

Br, baby, dunkirk, paterson

Not one female lead was worth anything.

They can't comprehend that someone somewhere might disagree with them. It's why they are had a mental breakdown post-trump

But Baby Driver was shit largely because half the movie was so focused on romance with cardboard waitress girl

You know nothing about film industry or how much money they make.

TLJ alone has made them billions already. Cinema tickets it's just a part of the investment.

And they would have made a billion more if they didn’t make such a stupid decision. That is a giant fuck up

can't argue with that but I still like that film for what it was

>this is what Sup Forums actually believes in

Hello fellow white males,
Donchu think it time for black women to be force? Whas wrong wit you mah nigga

Maybe if they told an interesting well made story first those series they start with could potentially become large. If the movie is a vehicle just to shove identity politics into it first then it’s going to suck ass

Fair. That just confirms the idea that having any female role character makes the plot weaker.

BR bypass it by having a fake satiric female hologram and an androgynous villain.

Just remake baby driver without the negro raper and some waitress trap. Kino 10/10

It's fucking real wtf

TFA already had 800mil domestically
Every SW from now on will make less money

what? obviously it wouldve made more if they made story the priority and not sjw shit. you have to know that, right?

They're not true fans of movies or games. So of course they don't realize that these characters already exist. If you prove them wrong they'll just move the bar.
God forbid you call them a fake geek then they really spaz out

Can't have that.

White females are marketable. Black females aren't.

White men dont like them, and black men leave them after making them preggo.

Black women are lowtier. It's preferable to have a full on orcs or dwarves movie.

>Billions
What?
Their toys, movie tickets, everything is down is it billions of imaginary disney bucks?

TFA made 2 bil this made 1.2
It doesn't take a genius to know someone fucked up

slate.com/articles/business/the_grind/2016/08/nike_s_supply_chain_doesn_t_live_up_to_the_ideals_of_its_girl_effect_campaign.html

Op pic reminded me of this article about how Nike's "girl effect" campaign is just shitty marketing to feminists while not actually doing much to help women materially.

>he Girl Effect was born amid an urgent PR crisis two decades ago, when Vietnamese Nike workers spoke to labor advocates and journalists about being routinely beaten by their managers; dozens of other news stories exposed negative working conditions in overseas factories making products for Nike. Under public pressure to take responsibility for its supply chain, then-CEO Phil Knight admitted that the company had become “synonymous with slave wages, forced overtime, and arbitrary abuse.” He promised to not only transform Nike’s supply chain but to lead the entire apparel industry into a new era of corporate social responsibility. Soon after, Nike employed two women, Maria Eitel and Hannah Jones, to overhaul the company’s image. Both had extensive media experience; Eitel had served as a media adviser to President George H.W. Bush.

>We all have a part to play in ending violence against girls and women,” Eitel told a roomful of development professionals and women’s rights advocates at the 2014 Girl Summit in London. It’s an idea she repeats in speeches around the globe, and it’s one of the Girl Effect’s signature causes: that “[g]irls can’t succeed when they live in fear” and that “ending violence against girls is the first step to ending global poverty.”

>Of the 14 women I interviewed who are currently employed, 11 reported excessively high work pressure, frequent or occasional humiliation, insults, threats, intimidation, harassment, and abuse by their managers. Their managers, these women told me, call them stupid, shout at them, and threaten to have them fired if they complain about the work pressure or low pay.

Ditch the dyke and the poc. Make kylo ren the sole focus, struggling with his inner demons and his family issues. Budget of 50mill, Paterson style.

Will easily make 10times in revenue

wow its almost like every time women are given power society falls apart and has to drag itself out of the filth and the blood and the guts of the chaos and destruction that empowered females bring, with men taking their evolutionary role socially so that society can be good and strong again until women come around to reap what men have sown

not enough subverted expectations

Source? Because they are selling more toys with TLJ than with TFA.

They are making billions.

just like actors and actresses shouldnt tell people who to vote for. they tried and how pathetic and cringy it was, not to mention it backfired right in their face kek

ITT: Armchair businessmen.

>First
Are you people aware of the budget for a film like TLJ, counting marketing which is likely more than half the budget? The total budget must run up to at least about 400-500m. 1.2bn in boxoffice may not be a failure, but I'd bet my ass they were expecting 1.5-2bn.

>Second
It's not about TLJ itself, it's the tendency. Anyone who knows his shit knows that you have to look at business in the long term as well. The issue with TLJ is that it marks a hard downward tendency. That's what is likely worrying execs, not the underperformance itself.

>And third
It's not just about the money, but about the market position and brand recognition, read the hype that it generates. We're talking one of the most valued and well-known film franchises EVER. Having the second film in your main trilogy get this little hype is terrible. You want everyone talking about this, have it turn into a huge phenomenon. Remember people dressing up as Harry Potter and sheit and going to midnight screenings or waiting in line for the new book for hours on end? That's what disney wanted, not just another big-budget blockbuster with reasonable numbers. They want a cashcow which won't run dry in 2-3 years, not just a bunch of movies that make *some* money.

To me is more funny knowing the merchandising is selling less and less, and that Finn and Chink don't sell shit

>they charge the same for a unfinished Lego AT-ST as a complete one

I just think the best kind of romance, especially in a semi-action movie, is the purposefully ambiguous one to make your mind fill in the blanks instead of telling you outright how perfect the girl is.

For example in John Wick you see small glimpses to his time with his wife and you see them happy and that makes you think 'wow they were in love', and then you look at Baby Driver and she's being quirky with references and shit and I'm like 'what the fuck does he even see in her she's lame as fuck you could literally throw a shoe in public at a random girl and she'd definitely be more interesting'. But that's just me.

Oh no no no

Make him gay at the end then. That's how you get star wars in the oscars.

...

two data points is not a trend

I’m not Sup Forums dumb fuck. I’m just not and idiot (unlike you) who realizes that killing off and reducing one of the most iconic movie heroes of the century to a sad state was a stupid business decision and by word of mouth it hugely and negatively impacted the sale of this movie. I didn’t even mention anything about Rey, Finn, or any other identity politic crap. I was referring to Luke. Only.

Not to say injecting modern day political jargon won’t also impact a films performance when it was never a core focus of a franchise.

God fucking idiots can’t accept that it’s not just the Sup Forums boogie men that don’t like this movie. They can’t accept that maybe this movie is a piece of shit.

Agreed.

That's why the romance in Driver is miles ahead of Baby Driver.

Have it ambiguous, silent, in the background. Part of the motivation but away from the main plot.