NEVER kills

>NEVER kills.
>Joker definitively proven to be irredeemable.
>Flat out admits he will always break out and always continue to kill.
>And he does. Again and again and again.
>Bruce still doesn't kill him.

The destruction of Metropolis and the death of Lois is completely on Batman's head. Instead of being there for his "friend" after the Joker's death, he got up in his face and tried to fight him, leaving that fucking witch Wonder Woman to twist Superman's head. So why does Injustice never explore the fact that Bruce is borderline insane, a total fucking asshole, and a shit friend.

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>Joker definitively proven to be irredeemable.
So would batman if he kills, especially the joker. Just because you are right and he is wrong doesn't mean you can do a wrong to make him right.

Writers who acknowledge that Joker will "always" break out are as retarded as the ones who say shit like "Batman loves the Joker" and "If Batman killed the Joker, he would never stop killing". It's pseudo-intellectual garbage.

Batman, in-universe, has absolutely no reason to believe that Joker will always break out. None. His breaking out defies all conventional logic because Joker isn't some magic escape artist, he has no special abilities, yet no matter where you put him, he'll get out so he can be used for another story.

It's one of those story elements I wish people would just get over and ignore.

In fact in the New 52, notice that the Joker never actually gets imprisoned, he vanishes or "dies" at the end of his arc. That's the way it should be. He doesn't get killed because he never gets captured, his plan just gets foiled so he disappears.

>proven to be irredeemable
When?

Why doesn't Batman just ask Superman to throw Joker into the Phantom Zone?

Unironically this. Lets get some Jokerized Kryptonians for when he inevitably breaks out.

Why doesn't Batman just lobotomize the Joker?

Why there isn't death sentence on Gotham?
Seriously.

Rape

Rape Joker

Because of librul faggots like that rich asshole Bruce Wayne! He doesn't even know how bad crime is in Gotham but keeps lobbying to keep the death penalty out.

I forgot where I read this but being mentally insane isn't supposed to warrant the death penalty (or something).

>Keaton's Batman outright killed minor thugs and villains but was still inarguable the hero, no "killing them will make you just as bad" bullshit
The Burton films truly were the best.

I mean you're the one trying to put any mental effort about a Mortal Kombat game.

>In fact in the New 52, notice that the Joker never actually gets imprisoned, he vanishes or "dies" at the end of his arc. That's the way it should be. He doesn't get killed because he never gets captured, his plan just gets foiled so he disappears.
Holy shit this. Finally, someone who actually reads comic books.

Because then he'll just break out with an alliance of other Warner Bros. licensed villains!

Except, y'know, Batman Returns where he tells Selina "killing Max will make you just as bad as him"

Remember when Joker was put on trial outside of Gotham and Batman actually defended him against the death penalty?

>Bruce Wayne
Who?

In the same movie where he stuffs dynamite down some fat dudes pants and lights another guy on fire with his car.
Also to be fair Max was just a corrupt businessman who tried to kill a only Selina and may have murdered one of his employees, not a mass murderer

I really fucking hate how people refer to that story this way.

First of all, he didn't "defend" the Joker, that implies some weirdness with Batman in court acting as his attorney.

All Batman did was capture the ACTUAL mass murderers that had framed the Joker. It wasn't about saving his husbandu or any gay shit like that, it was about not letting the real killers get away.

It's up to the justice system to decide if someone should be put down, not a vigilante. Bruce understands that.

>In the same movie where he stuffs dynamite down some fat dudes pants and lights another guy on fire with his car.
Exactly my point.

The Burton movies are sloppily written schlock, and the sooner you accept that the sooner you can enjoy them without insisting they're the gold standard all Batman should be held to.

fuck off Hal.

What would Batman do if someone else killed the Joker? Like some dude was walking home from work one day and the Joker jumped out of an alley, the dude got scared, but then things turned when it turned out he had a CCW and just shot and killed the Joker?

Why should Batman kill him? If Joker is as dangerous as you say then give him the death sentence,

I mean, when it comes to Batman MOVIES they kinda are the golden standard.

It's up to the justice system to take down criminals, take evidence, break into a person property, beat the living crap outta people...etc., not a vigilante. Seem Bruce didn't understand that.

Yeah, but it's a really boring story and the mental image of Batman defending him in court is way better.

And Batman does visit him in jail multiple times over the course of the story.

>All Batman did was capture the ACTUAL mass murderers that had framed the Joker.

I support your message but have to correct it a little bit.

1, it was a murderer, singular. One guy did it all.

2, he didn't actually capture the guy, said guy willingly turned himself in when confronted out of grief for what he'd done, Batman didn't even bring him into the station.

Other than hat you're right, Batman never defended the guy and actually was having a harder time justifying even looking for the real killer.

Besides the fact that Joker has escaped dozens of times. The guy has broken out of Arkham a lot, Batman would have to be stupid to assume he won't do it again.


And how many died every time he broke out?....Dozens every single time. Joker has killed a lot of People, and clearly can not be cured of his mental illness. Keeping him alive makes no sense. He will break out.....he will kill again. That is what he does.

>Besides the fact that Joker has escaped dozens of times.

In dozens of continuities maybe but in the most recent pair of comic iterations he's batting at 1, and he had to cut off his own face to do it. Or not. It's weird.

In fact, which continuity had him breaking out dozens of times?

Not if you are mentally insane, which 90% of Batman's villains are. Arkham is an insane asylum, not a prison.

The Injustice comics aren't the Nu 52. And Superman in the comic and game points out that Joker has broken out of Arkham more than once.

>The Injustice comics aren't the Nu 52.

Kay, and he's dead in one universe and still locked up in the other.

>And Superman in the comic and game points out that Joker has broken out of Arkham more than once.

Neato, but unless that translates to 'dozens' you're kind of hard pressed to justify that Batman would be stupid to assume he couldn't be held when fucking Superman could.

Batman teamed up with Mister Miracle to build a jail cell to keep the joker locked up using tech from genesis.

He escaped.

The Joker would lead a Jail break of the Phantom zone

how

There's a difference between "serving justice" and "taking a life". Batman doesn't decide if people are guilty, he just wraps them up with a nice bow for the legal system to pick up.

His last escape he killed several hundred people and Superman's wife. Doesn't matter if he escaped a dozen times of just 4. His body count was off the damn charts on just his last escape. Superman did the right thing in killing him.

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He doesn't say that at all.

But since Joker keeps escaping, it's clear that penal system is inadequate and outsourcing justice to it is immoral.

>The destruction of Metropolis and the death of Lois is completely on Batman's head.

How exactly? Superman's the one who failed to stop Joker and got tricked into killing Lois.

The reality is that everything Batman does it charity and if he doesn't want to kill Joker or anyone else he doesn't have to. He provides a free service to Gotham and the world thwarting everything from petty murders to Gotham destroying events routinely. He's the reason the city is not a smoldering crater. If other people want Joker dead they're free to kill him. Asking Batman to do your dirty work when all he wants to do is lock them up is just passing blame.

You don't get pissed at Batman for not killing badguys you say thank you for your charity service to the community while the GCPD, Blackgate, Arkham, and the state of New Jersey incompetently never keep them locked up or executed.

>BATMAN IS SUCH A MARY SUE HE HAS NO FUCKING FLAWS

>WHY DOES BATMAN HAVE A CODE THAT HE INSISTS ON MAINTAINING DESPITE LOGIC AND HIS FRIENDS TELLING HIM NOT TO DO SO! WHY IS HE FLAWED??

You can't have it both ways.

Why doesn't the GCPD just extrajudicially murder the Joker right after Batman captures him?

>his hamartia is that he is too perfect a moral paragon

>moral
>lets thousands die to uphold platitudes

uwot

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Burton's Batman was pretty much modeled after Batman in his earliest days in the 40s, back when he was a Shadow knockoff using guns and throwing people off buildings.
Some of the funniest scenes in 89 and Returns are the creative ways Batman keeps murdering people

Adam West's Batman was the best.
Not only did he never kill any villains, but he also let them run for mayor.

Why people never ask the same about Superman? Zod, Mongul, Darkseid, Doomsday, Lex Luthor. Why Superman never killed them?

You're thinking about it all wrong.

Batman is a mortal surrounded by people who transcend humanity. People who could kill thousands, if not millions. For some of these people he is the only tenuous thread to humanity.

He's a walking talking example of the potential of human beings, what they can achieve mentally , physically, and morally.

He knows some of the worst pain a person can experience. He builds his whole being around stopping the kind of people he feels are responsible. Fighting crime is all he is, and yet he still recognizes the humanity in others as something sacred he has no right to destroy.

As long as he maintain's that, that's the reference point these gods have for humanity.

Because he's supposed to be better than that because of all the power he has, because he does sometimes, etc.

It's different with Batman because he's not an ideal, he's just a really dedicated guy which is why people want him to go over that edge and finally deal with his problems permanently.

Nice observation, user.

>Riddler broker Joker out

Because Batman is edgy and Superman is not.

He DID kill Zod, Darkseid and Doomsday though. Not his fault some of them can get better from death, the universe keeps rebooting them or they have alternate versions of themselves.

And if we are talking about the Injustice universe, Lex is a good guy there and Superman did in fact kill him.

I don't know enough about Mongul to comment, but doesn't he spend most of his time off-world?

On the contrary user, Batman is already in the wrong and killing Joker IS THE THING THAT WOULD REDEEM HIM

You guys realize that the joker has died, a good few times, but he keeps coming back and always will. Batman could shoot him point blank execution style and the writers would find some sort of excuse as to how he survived or exsists again a few arcs later

For what purpose

The better question is how has someone not killed the joker in self defense by now?

I mean literally all it would take is one guy with a gun who says "fuck the retarded anti gun laws in this city the motherfucking joker is on the loose I'm carrying a .357 wherever I go this is America god damnit" to end his shit.

Why don't people just stop reading cape comics?

All you're doing is stating that he's a flawed character. Stop your inane rambling.

But I want him to be a murderer like in Zaddy's kinos. Comics are stupid.

Because of plot armor, you dense shit. HURRGH Y HASNT BATMAN GOTTEN KILT BY A STRAY BULET YET LMAO
Keep it together.

There's a difference between being mentally insane and legally insane.

Joker is definitely crazy, but legally he knows damn well what he's doing.

If it was just one time, you could argue he didn't know what he was doing and had a psychotic episode or whatever. But he keeps breaking out and killing people. Clearly he knows what he's doing.

Well why didn't Superman just kill the Joker? all those years before the events of Injustice? Why does Batman have to do it? Anyone could have murder the Joker at any time. Superman gave no shits about the Joker arrangement until it hit him personally. Which just shows how fucked up he is.

Also Batman didn't try to fight Superman at all in the beginning. He tried to stop Clark from trying going to far until he had time to grieve because he was not in the right state of mind to be making such big and reckless decisions. He only started fighting the Regime after Clark label him not part of the JL and forced his hand.

>in his most recent pair of iterations he's batting at one
What the hell are you taking about? Leto? Because post-Flashpoint Joker has commited massacres and Injustice Joker nuked Metropolis.

>Someone does something
>It's batman's fault

No it fucking isn't. If the State doesn't want to execute Joker that's on them. It isn't Batman's job to do so.

As far as I know he hasn't stopped them from doing so. If he has the writer went too far.

Thanks for playing along.