How do the Jedi justify the use of a slave army?

How do the Jedi justify the use of a slave army?

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>how does an order of warrior monks who frequently do immoral things justify an immoral act

Because who the fuck is going to stop them?

were the clones just replicants of the same genetic material?
were the Tanhäuser Gate and the shoulder of Orion in a galaxy far far away?
were c-beams lightsabers?

>taking your helmet off
fuck clone wars and fuck nu-wars

Which answer gets you to stop faster?

Are they a slave army, or are they genetically programmed to love the military and so don't want to leave?

I know I'll get memed for mentioning the Plinkett review but an expendable army of clones and an expendable army of droids is lame.

>Are they a slave army
Yes.

>are they genetically programmed to love the military and so don't want to leave?
Not quite. Military life is all they know, and the Republic also doesn't have the infrastructure in place to process them if they ever wanted to leave. Also what the fuck would they do if they somehow quit? They were taught to kill things and blow shit up - are they gonna drive a hovercab?

I don't know, I'm just so alone...

There was at least one featured defector, and presumably more. They also have a mind control chip in them that either has one order named 66, or at least 65 more orders.
I think the whole conflict would have made more sense if the clones and robots were on opposite sides

It's kinda the point tho.
The entire war is manufactured by Sheev. He knew that getting an intergalactic war going would be easier if he didn't have to convince anybody to risk their lives for it.
It is conceptually fine, but it needed better communication.

it was ok because although they were slaves, they were all brother who cared for each other. Being a clone is like being born into the best family ever

alright lore fags, can someone explain the accelerated lifespan? I thought that accelerated lifespan means they age faster than normal, thus many of them dont reach past a certain age of lets say 40.

but apparently it means their age is accelerated UNTIL they reach fighting age and then it resumes as it normally would

>ywn be born a clone, with a defined purpose and goal in life, and millions of brothers who will unhesitatingly lay down their lives for you

>but apparently it means their age is accelerated UNTIL they reach fighting age and then it resumes as it normally would
?

yeah. that's how rex appeared with some other bros in Rebels, and apparently ROTJ too

reminder that the clone wars is not canon

It is

No, you've got it figured out

Didn't they buy the stormtroopers from other stormtroopers?

A friend of mind keeps saying that the empire went to the Stormtrooper planted themselves and kidnapped them.

Wrong forever

>a flick about a clone trooper who has left the space army and now drives a hover cab
I'd watch it.

Presumably it would be easier to convince everyone to give him ULTIMATE POWAH if the Republic's side of the war was actually costly and people had some reason to want it to end. Realistically a clones vs droids war would have all the presence on the public mind that America's current set of wars has; it costs almost no lives on our side and nobody cares about the other side, so nobody cares period.

Theyre not good guys. Were just told theyre good.

You already have

I'm still massively disappointed that the Jedi were an institutional feature of the Republic. Before the PT came out I figured they were always wild warrior-monks who wandered the galaxy doing good on the down-low and that's why Han doesn't believe in them; their training areas secret, their lives incognito, their hand in galactic affairs invisible, nobody would have any reason to know who they are.

Instead they have a fucking giant temple on the capital world and have an official role in the government. Fuck that, I want my laser-sword Men With No Names.

Need more cab driving.

>inb4 all of the people sperging out and hating TCW series

I agree that it was not perfect, there are plenty of legitimate issues with it. But it was a good series.

Little do people know that if it wasn't for TLJ we wouldn't have 'The Fifth Element'.

Luke Skywalker is the embodiment of cultural marxist ideals. Hes not a Hero to emulate. Hes a red herring.

Like all Jedi. They embody the value system of marxism which at is essense according to marcues is the >deconstruction of the mutilated immagination (essentially the will to power) and the propaganda, philosophy, and abundance necessary to accomplish this pacifism. (democratic unfreedom which refers to the free acceptance of oppression and surplus repression.)

The Jedi werent Human. They live in an actual ivory tower with Deus ex machina plot devices delivering them from their poor choices.

But thats the point. Star Wars is an anti morality tale. Where cultural marxism takes center stage and is sold to the audience with a few bits of movie magic and some psychological manipulation as an idealized moral hero.

That makes literally 0 sense

Because youve never been taught any value system other than cultural marxism.

For example why is it "good" not to kill darth vader?
Why is it "good" to be an aesthetic monk instead of a philosopher king?
Why is it good not to love or have desires?

Becuase cultural marxisms dictum demands that a person forfeit the will to power.

This is accomplished via individualization and democratic unfreedom. The willing acceptance of oppression via propaganda.

Its strips you of the "mutilated imagination" the will to power and feeds you a completely false set of moral values meant to incapacitate you through an idealized hero held up by fictional plot devices.

The Jedi are literally cultural marxist subversion anthropomorphised. They are the bad guys.

Nigga you dumb. Luke's journey was about Catholic style redemption and patriarchal loyalty.

Sheev and Vader did the galaxy a favour

Christinity is synonymous with cultural marxism in todays world it wasnt always.

>It strips you of the "mutilated imagination" the will to power and feeds you a completely false set of moral values meant to incapacitate you through an idealized hero held up by fictional plot devices.

Christianity has been Co opted by cultural marxists. The Christus is the quintessential cultural marxist.

The hyper equality dogma can subsume christianity very easily, and basically has since vatican 2.

>there was at least one featured defector
I think this was retconned by the mouse

>Basically Drive but it takes place in Coruscant’s twilight underbelly.
>REAL JANGO BEAN

I’d watch the fuck outta that.

Scratch that, haven't watched Rebels. Wasn't aware Rex was in it.

I choose to view Star Wars through the lens that the Galaxy's main problem was being multicultural. Ultimately, the conflict between various species having different interests in the Senate led to the Jedi not having the ability to become true protectors of the people. In the old EU common men and women feared and hated the Jedi which was why nobody was sad to see them go other than Senators who benefited from their ability to prop up the old order.

In the end, the Empire was a human populist regime that was successful because it advocated for human interests, as humans were the most populous species in the galaxy. The humans who did side with the Rebellion were from worlds that had benefited more from the Republic like Alderaan and Corellia, for whatever reason.

Ultimately, both the Jedi and Sith suffer from being idealistic philosophies that are detached from reality and live in a world of abstractions. What the galaxy needs is a new Empire where the force users are loyal to their species and use the force only to serve the advancement of their species, those force users that use the force for material and selfish ends need to be eliminated.

Ultimately, the Imperial Knights are the ideal order of force users as they are materialists who fight for the people and the people's elected representative Roan Fel who even said that if he fell to the dark side his Knights should kill him

>the entire Umbara “Space Vietnam featuring Jedi Colonel Kurtz” arc
>Fives’ death
>Tupp’s death
>the Bad Batch getting picked off one by one
>all those Arc troopers going down like stone cold badasses in a blaze of glory
>that one clone who was willing to be a traitor just to free his brothers.
>forced to kill their leaders via mind-control device b for being cast out as obsolete hardware themselves

They deserved better...

I feel like the Jedi should have been more answerable to the Republic instead of operating as an independent entity. They were a group of super soldiers acting as consultants rather than civil servants.
Ironically it wasn't until their last days where they were employed as generals of the Republic Army that they were used anywhere close to how they should have been but by then it was too late.

Many of the troopers drive and operate million dollar equipment. I'm sure they have a use as pilots and law enforcement and other highly trained jobs.

>law enforcement
Having clone troopers become cops would just be about the worst idea ever. Just like it is in real life.

I agree with what you said, but to be maybe overly pedantic, i think the force is a yin yang.

There is no gray area. It is either black or white, which is why anikin was supposed to bring "balance to the force".

The aesthetic monk requirments made the jedi innefectual and detatched, but as soon as they desired power it became an incurable addiction.

So neither side was "good". The virtue of the platonic golden mean could never be realized by a force weilder.

And I think this dynamic is Lucas working out the basic trap that the cultural marxist value system is.

That its arbitrary good and evil paradigm prevents its adherents from finding equilibrium.

Like for example, you can kill, but you cant ever kill in anger, not even a bad guy who is waging a genocidal war and killing billions and threatening the entire stability of the universe. (Count Duku scene). Its the absurdem of cultural marxism made manifest.

If this is true it could not be by Lucas' design because he himself is a marxist.

As someone who has read Nietzsche I too agree that the good/evil dichotomy is the wrong dichotomy to base morals around, good/bad is preferable.

The Clones stationed on Coruscant were pretty much already acting as law enforcement though.

And Coruscant is riddled with vice, gangs, corruption, and violent crime.

Expecting a group of autistic slave soldiers to keep the peace, mediate disputes and prevent violence is insane. Their entire existence is about solving problems with lethal efficiency.

Maybe it's like dosing babies with HGH and testosterone until they can kick your ass, then you stop.

Clone wars is mentioned in OT and ST.

jedis are statists. slavery is completely consistent with their ideology

evil = bad. solved

was cut the only one who had somewhat of a happy ending?

I know everyone hates the Karen Traviss books, but one thing they explored regularly is how the Clones felt about being essentially child soldiers. A recurring thing was that they felt (and were indoctrinated to believe) that they had a purpose, which was better than freedom, and their clone brothers, which are better than a family. They're all nervous about what's going to happen to them after the war when they're no longer useful, though, since they were pretty sure the galaxy would just go back to peacetime and there would be no need for a standing military.

Also remember that a lot of the Jedi are stolen from their family and brought up in a rigid system as well. Freedom is a very relative concept in the Star Wars setting.

They were soulless clones and their wasn't really an alternative
>slaves
they were literally bred to be subservient and fight, not like they had a will that was being suppressed by the Jedi

>slaves

lmao. You clone wars fags and your mind control chip bullshit. A terrible fucking retcon. Clones were battle hardened soldiers following orders.

but doesn't the lady on Kamino even say something about them being genetically inclined to service?

>the clones collectively jerk off to thoughts of violating their kaminoan mommy

those eyes.
THOSE DAMN SEXY EYES.

THAT GODDAMN "FUCK ME" EYES
LUCAS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MY CHILDHOOD

>Clones were battle hardened soldiers following orders.

They're also 15 years old at most.

>but apparently it means their age is accelerated UNTIL they reach fighting age and then it resumes as it normally would

it doesnt, they age quickly

no need to thank me for countless youth-enduced xeno fetishes user

In the future I wonder how sexual ayy lmaos will be

Yeah because they're just mindless killing machines.

master jedi, it seems in order to restart the cloning program we must use a new genetic sample.

yours

>wild warrior-monks who wandered the galaxy doing good on the down-low and that's why Han doesn't believe in them; their training areas secret, their lives incognito, their hand in galactic affairs invisible, nobody would have any reason to know who they are.

I didn't know I needed r34 of her until tonight

Most likely.
>Age twice as fast as regular humans so you be on your death bed by the time the kids hit 20.
The only thing that bothered me was that the clone war only lasted two years and he already had two children by the time we meet him.

They aren't his. Twi'leks can't interbreed with humans.

I thought clones were sterile

I don't think that was ever conclusively resolved, even in the old canon.

do they have belly buttons? asking for a friend

>ara ara, oh cut, your literal millions of brothers are always welcum at our home

[whores in twi'lek]

They gestate through an artificial umbilical cord so yeah.

>tfw based Filoni managed to sneak Delta Squad into his canon life raft

It was only for like 15 seconds but it still felt good.

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The clones are essentially cattle.

Are cows slaves?

the armies were fighting to protect planets you brainlet. you would still care about your army if they were defending your hometown from robots holy shit how hard is it to understand with you plebs what lucas was intending. the republic was basically a bunch of peace loving hippies with no standing army and they would never fight, of course theyll give the chancellor ultimate power after watching entire planets get burned by the separatists. I swear you plebs have the smallest worldviews/empathy/ and sense of scale i have ever seen

>you will never repeatedly impregnate your sexy pink Twi'lek wife and make mongrel hybrid children
>all while chilling on some farm with your kids and animals
Fuck me, I never thought I would want to be some farmer on a backwater world.

>Are cows slaves?
no because slavery implies that something had a will in the first place. cows are just instinctual stimuli response beings.
>inb4 humans are too just more complex

>dude they're just organic battle droids

>cows are just instinctual stimuli response beings.
Assuming the cow has no motives/desires is a mistake.

For the good of the Republic (a corrupt political entity that effortlessly turns into the Empire).

The Jedi Order of the prequels are out of touch with their moral virtues, which aren't restored until Luke (when Vader "brings balance")

>Assuming the cow has no motives/desires is a mistake.
I mean beyond procreation and pooping after a nice graze, I am at a loss to what a bovine desires

nigga you on some PETA shit?

It's literally a manufactured conflict designed to propel Sheev into greater and greater power (unlimited power, even).

How better to communicate this than to have it fought between two explicitly manufactured armies?

>(unlimited power, even).

But even Obi Wan in ANH says that "for a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old Republic." I mean sorry that your headcanon was ruined, but everything we knew about the Jedi since they were first mentioned speaks against you.

>lucas' PT was the ultimate redpill everyone refused to acknowledge

Getting a nice brush
sun
comfy barn
tasty hay
low stress

they don't have a right to any of these things but it's a good thing to give the cow these and if we do we can consider our duties fulfilled in that regard. we can eat them now.

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I suppose user.

The Jedi weren’t using them. It was the Republic

>why is it good to not kill Vader
Luke should not kill Vader because he was his father, and if Luke submits to his desire for revenge or hatred then he becomes a pawn of the Emperor.
>aesthetic monk instead of philosopher king
The original Star Wars films never brought forth this argument. It actually gave the impression that Luke was a sort of mixture of light and dark, and that the Light is what prevailed. Luke beats Vader using his hatred but he does not kill him.
>good not to love or have desires
That was prequel bullshit, Luke had the same desires as any other man. Han and Luke "competed" for Leia in the eyes of the viewers and this was solved amicably by having Leia be revealed as Luke's sister.
You are correct in your criticisms of marxism, but all the bullshits comes from materials made after the OT finished.

Apologize

?

>tfw you think like a cow

The clone army attack on geonosis is 100% orchestrated by Yoda and the Jedi. The Republic don't okay their use until afterwards.

>effortlessly
Like effortless how the emperor had to manufacture a war then create two whole armies to fight, as well as train multiple sith apprentices, and coax distrust of the jedi without using the force to stay off the their radar, then convince thousands of politicians from thousands of planets to follow him and give him unprecedented political power, then finally slaughter almost all the jedi in the galaxy?

>the clone attack on geonosis
>palpatine also had geonosian accomplices to build the memestar
>that and anakin killing the leaders was to cut off all the loose ends

MAXIMUM POTTERY

If I could go colonize some backwater planet, and settle/farm it while still having access to sci-fi tech I would sign up tomorrow.