No I cannot, but the fact that I have the potential to is exactly my point...

>No I cannot, but the fact that I have the potential to is exactly my point. With the proper combination of study and practice in musical composition or art I very well could write a symphony or paint a beautiful masterpiece. We are debating about the creative potential for our respective species, not our individual personal achievements regardless of what your personal insult is implicating.

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Except the I-Robot could do those things anyways without taking years and years to master the craft. Checkmate faggot.

I think the point wasn't the ability or the ability to eventually practice and get there but inspiration. He doesn't think the robot can dream up ideas from nothing.

WE WUZ GINNIEZ AND SHIET

Can you?

I DON'T KNOW AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

...

Based

The robot has the ability to do all those things, just not at the level one would call master-work, the same was Will Smith.

With practice what's to say the robot can't? He can clearly think and question a situation hence the "can you?" remark.

jesus christ, raimi

it was a different time

Is this from 9gag?

ayo holup

9gag wasn't a thing then.

I DID NOT HIT HER IT'S NOT TRUE IT'S BULLSHIT

You cannot acquire creativity it's one aspect of a highly heritable personality trait. The entire conversation is basically just illustrating Will Smith's non sequitur.

For you

Creativity isn't a genetic trait, but being around a creative parent as a child will influence you in your developmental years to be more creative.

Are you?

> 11% is more than enough, a human being would've known that
still the most based piece of the movie

Proof?

Kek

The roboto drew that neat picture of the bridge

the blackamoor didn't draw anything

Brian Herbert

based, came for this

OP should've posted this one first
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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5068715/

Any more baseless assertions you'd like me to debunk?

Sorry, which one of these is creativity?

It's an aspect of Openness.
If you want more information google aspect scale of big 5.

fucking top kek

OhHiMark

Let's pretend whatever you said is true: the point still stands, because even if Will Smith's character didn't have it as an individual (which we cannot know) he still had the potential to have it because he's a human being.

a true human bean.
yes.

cringe

AI is able to compose.

youtu.be/QEjdiE0AoCU
artsites.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/Emily-howell.htm

That's exactly the point, high creativity is not limited to human beings and it is not a common trait among members of a species that has creative members. A human being can be creative - if it is genetically disposed to be - so could an AI and so can less evolved organisms by the way. There have been extensive studies on animal creativity with shocking results and I'm not talking about the obvious ones like primates. Even Bumblebees have potential for creative problem solving, but not ALL of them and that's the whole point of contention.

the robot is a metaphore

a third or less than roughly half of variance in heritability of two out of five axis out of one of many psychometrics can be explained by the genetic overlap by single-nucleotide polymorphisms according to a method used to test this for the first time
when you break down what they really means, it is not that extreme
heritability values (which do not refer solely to genetic explanations) come from twin studies which have limitations

isn't weird that only a minority of traits big 5 advocates claim are 'basic' are detected as explaining inheritance
aberrant heritability explanations could be construed as reification and the fact that the two significant measures overlap is not a good sign, since an unmeasured factor or factors related to the polymorphisms could be explaining the variance of both
add to that creativity is not measured or mentioned in the paper and any plausible investigations into the link between the big 5 and a common definition of creativity in the literature (itself controversial) and the variance you'll be explaining for creativity by genetic factors will be well under 10%. At that stage we're getting low enough to assume that fact that you inherit something else like working eyes phenotypically explains whatever benefits your analysis is detecting.

a tangential rant anyway, it's fairly plausible that creativity is influenced by things which might have genetic factors, that just doesn't say a hell of a lot.

That's cool as shit dude, thanks for sharing user

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That's not accurate. There are many papers exploring heritability of big 5 traits, I just linked the first result. You can search for them if you so desire. Heritability is well established for all five to a varying degree. As of now Openness is considered to be slightly less heritable than IQ. I'm not in the mood to go find all the relevant papers but if you're interested you can easily find them

>heritability values [...omitted...]
Just to clarify, heritability refers to a causal correlation between a trait and genetic inheritance and through twin studies examines how much of a trait (doesn't have to be big 5, crystallized IQ heritability as a function of age is tested in the same way) cannot be explained by any other way by controlling for genes. If that doesn't meet your criteria for heritability assessment I'd like to see what does. Yes, I wouldn't base an investigation into continual genetic transcription on data with a lack of control for epigenetic and environmental covariance (which is an impossible ask when looking for something as complex as a trait, we're not talking about one protein here) but why would that be relevant when looking at things developed at the embryonal stage.

>aberrant heritability explanations could be construed as reification
I don't see how that could be the case, have you read any paper suggesting this and what data was it based on?

>since an unmeasured factor [...omitted...]
I doubt you could do better than twins in identical yet separate situation as far as control goes.

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Creativity is well established as an aspect of Openness by now. If you have read the corresponding literature you're familiar that every test done based on (factor analyzed) questionnaires lines up pretty much exactly with the real life distribution in creative endeavors. I forgot the name of the distribution it derives from game theory iirc. Other than your gut feeling I haven't seen any valid criticism. So I'm sorry to say but the 10% you just pulled out of your ass. You could challenge the heritability of IQ with exactly the same "arguments"

Classical music is incredibly regimented and almost mathematical in nature. That's why you have little kid prodigies and people like Mozart composing before their teen years. Will's example of a symphony sounds deep but it's actually the most obvious example of music a robot could create.

just to let you know I have to go now so while I'll leave this open I won't be able to reply.

I love sci-fi movies with sunny and well lit environments. I like how everything looks shiny and white. Any more like this one?