Wonder Woman by John Byrne Part 1

I said I was done but this party's going overtime!

I got bored of waiting for my evil twin to storytime this run so I'll do it!

So buckle up cause this is going to be one crazy ride!

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I'm gonna post until I fall asleep, so don't freak out if I stop in the middle of an issue or something like that

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Dammit I was just waiting for the 6th to coincide with the release of the hardcover

Or at least that's my excuse

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lol it's okay, this kinda falls into my wheelhouse anyway

This was also the first WW story I ever read so there's that too

I really do not care for the way Byrne inks himself.
Austin/Byrne > Byrne solo

>to coincide with the release of the hardcover
It's already out, that's the release date for bookstores.

It just looks way too busy for my liking, also digital coloring doesn't do his art any favors

Hey isn't the two of you in the same thread like matter/antimatter

IMO only the beginning is straight-up bad, the rest is just disappointing and mediocre

It's basically a huge excuse for Byrne to do a bunch of retcons to the Demon and New Gods and reintroduce Silver Age Wondie stuff

Which of course I like most of the stuff he brought back but it's clear he did it because he couldn't really think of any stories he wanted to tell.

Even though Cassie sucks at the start by the end when you have Donna, Cassie and Artemis all hanging out they're all really lovable

FUCK

Art also gets better by the end, fortunately.

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Saxet is the natural cosmic response to Texas

It's like how Galactus is necessary to cull planets or something. If there are good Wondie stories, there must also be bad.

This is also kinda timely with the release of the movie because Diana becomes the Goddess of Truth and if you saw the movie, well, you know what I'm talking about...

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>digital coloring
This was also 1995, it was not a smooth transition. Image had a near stranglehold on the good early digital colorists.

My biggest problem with Gateway, other than being pointless, is that it's ugly as fuuuuuuuuck.

Diana needs to work on her Matches Malone act.

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If you ask one user when Saxet was running the Azz stuff, they are the same person, but so mentally fractured that they don't know it, and have constant arguments with each other.

America's first entirely CGI city!

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Isn't that a Shyamalan movie or something

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I'm actually okay with Diana not having a designated home city. It's once again something that sets her apart from other capes, something that is uniquely hers.

It's like that surprisingly awesome tagline from the film ads.
>Metropolis has Superman.
>Gotham has Batman.
>And now The World has... Wonder Woman.
That just speaks for itself.

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It's so fucking pointless, and so is replacing the Kapatelises with the Sandsmarks, although Byrne Cassie is surprisingly cute, interesting, and honestly drawn her age.

Agreed, the idea of Wonder Woman "patrolling" a city feels off to me. Heck, even Superman helps out in other countries once in a while.

Diana patrolling an american city feels off because SHE'S NOT AMERICAN!

She's... what are her people called, anyway? Whatever. She's basically a tourist in America. So that's why her acting globally makes more sense.

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She's an ambassador of peace, ergo, she should be spreading peace throught the world. Her settling down in a city like Boston is okay as a place where she can rest her head and shit, but she should definitely be a global hero.

Now all Darkseid needs to do is cackle evily and this will become the most cliche ending I've seen in a comic book in a while.

>this cover
wew

How is Byrne's "Jack Kirby's Fourth World"?

Speaking of cackling evily, how fucking hilarious was it when Ludendorff and Dr. Poison did that in the movie? Seriously cracked me up shit was so cartoonish. I loved it.

Wasn't Byrne responsible for that stupid Godwave shit? I don't think he really gets the New Gods

Never read it personally, his WW turned me off the rest of his 90's work like Fourth World, OMAC and Namor, which I heard is mostly about fixing a dangling Iron Fist plot thread than actually fucking Namor.

I have no idea. I actually have not done a lot of reading on The Fourth World in general, but am looking to start soon.

I've heard Byrne actually doesn't care for Kirby one bit despite working on his characters over and over again, I really don't get it

There were some fun old-adventure-movie scenes in it. I liked the one where Steve impersonates a German officer.

But yes, Byrne is responsible for the Godwave, from that godawful event Genesis, an event so bad it was retconned out of continuity as soon as it wrapped up.

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I've heard they throw a single gas mask into the room to make all the guys fight over it. That's kind of inspired.

For some reason Byrne really likes his heroes ripping metal apart like it's paper

Well, Byrne did write that "Big Barda is mind-controlled into doing stripteases and almost sleeps with Superman" storyline. Barda's personality was based off Kirby's wife, and Byrne and Kirby were apparently feuding over creator's rights at that time.
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Yeah, the movie really sells you on the fact these guys are A-grade scumbags. None of that tragic past woobie Johns shit.

Ah, so that explains that.

That statue screams "DARKSEID IS not impressed"

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>Byrne still can't let go of his Superman run

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We can probably expect to see more of Dr. Poison in the comics from now on.

In fact, if this film is a big enough success, WW material will likely see an increased presence in the DCU, more guest appearances and whatnot. At bare minimum, I hope this leads to a second ongoing.

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Johns doesn't give everyone a tragic past. I don't think he even gave Sinestro one. He just made him a tragic evil space Hitler.

I want a video game. Not sure who from though, definitely not Rocksteady or Netherrealm

Oh man, I was looking through the Desuarchive and found this from a week ago. People were discussing the Barda thing, and someone noted that Kirby helped create a character who Byrne seemed to think was based off him.
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The character is described as a "company man, who when killed, has his spine detach for a new copy to grow from."
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Well not exactly a tragic past, but you get my gist. "Bad guys you can see yourself rooting for", which isn't inherently bad but we need some plain evil assholes once in a while too

What happens with the gods in the movie fits better with Kirby's vision for the New Gods

I don't know if he makes someone like Sinestro someone you can root for... so much as someone where you can see where it went so horribly wrong.

I think I get what you mean though, and I agree. Sometimes somebody is just an utterly evil malignant tumor on the universe.

And this is why Circe needs to be the big bad of the sequel. She's just delicious.

This, on the other hand, is plain stupid

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Her braid is almost as wild as Artemis' Ponytail.

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This almost works but it's also stupid.

The New Gods are great, and are also sort of contradictory in a way. They're not really gods of anything. They're not part of creation or such. They're just incredibly powerful beings born out of destruction.

Hell, I'm not sure if the average Apokoliptian or New Genesis citizen counts as a new god or what. The people of Apokolips are treated as disposable slave matter, and yet some are elevated up and have great powers.

Kirby was amazing and erratic. There was no well defined master plan, and it shows.

Again?

One thing I didn't like about the movie was how dehumanized the German soldiers were. I mean, EVERYONE's read All Quiet on the Western Front, it's impossible for me to see them as dumb cartoon characters like it is for Nazis.

Another reason I think they should have just bitten the bullet and done WWII, everyone's comparing it to First Avenger anyway in a positive way.

I find that hard to believe considering everything Etrigan he does in this run is basically MUH KIRBY

Morrison tried to fix that later on by making Darkseid the God of Evil, Metron the God of Knowledge and so on, but it was way too late really

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These early issues have that classic "she's a warrior" misunderstanding of the character but I gotta give it to Byrne that he backpedals on that pretty quickly.

I feel like he went into this run without reading anything first and then went back and actually read when he realized he was gonna be on this for awhile.

His Cheetah issue is one of my favorite single Wondie issues, actually, because she literally wins through the power of friendship.

Blood of the Demon was done after Kirby died, right? Maybe that made him change his tune, but everything else I've read of him featuring Kirby characters feels really condescending and sometimes downright malicious (like the infamous Superman/Barda porno stuff)

Their story should probably just be something like there were gods who created the universe, or a previous universe. They kicked off natural laws we've been following forever and ever. Their destruction let off such monumental energies that the New Gods were formed out of the vacuum trying to fill itself. Maybe have like the White Entity be a survivor breaking through the walls of reality and time, and like the hand at creation being one of them letting go of some monumental power that spawned a new creation.

As to the question of who is a god being and just a dude on their worlds, I dunno.

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(Forgot an idea.)

Part of the New Gods story is the ultimate human idea of looking for universal truth. So it could all tie together.

The bit of these ideas I'm not sure I'm keen on is how it would add a past age kind of more epic than theirs, which feels wrong to take a light off of Kirby himself.

Also that any future writer would take this kind of dead god idea and turn them all alive which would be dumb.

Byrne hates everything that had the Demon after Kirby. He was really hardcore about him not rhyming, about Jason and Etrigan being the same person, etc. and ignored literally everything after Kirby.

Then people complained that Etrigan didn't rhyme and Byrne brought it back.

I haven't read Byrne's Demon, but most people after him have really fucked up Etrigan. Kirby had him as sort of a total asshole, but kind of a bro who actually liked Merlin.

Everybody else seems to write Etrigan as flat out evil.

Malicious code my ass

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I have to disagree about the WWII idea, simply because WWI fits so much better into the movie's plot. It was the first great world war, it was even called "the war to end all wars" at its time, it was horribly devastating for the time. It was also the first time weapons such as machine guns and tanks were deployed en masse, and of course, the horrifying chemical warfare that fits rather nicely with Dr. Poison's character. It just makes way more sense that the God of War would be behind WWI than II.

Hell, he was in charge of the armistice, wasn't he? So who's to say he didn't cause WWII as well by dicking over massively the Germans?

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WWI works well thematically in this movie but I think if it were written around WWII they could have made it work as well.

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That's right kids, after an arc of Kirby stuff we get... more Kirby stuff!!

Well the German grunts weren't as moustache-twirling as they could have been, only the fake Ares general. The other generals wanted to surrender and he killed them for it

Until the final third, it seemed she wasn't even killing most of the grunts, just beating them up. It was Steve and others who were killing them while she did that.

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What a lovely image

That sniper was totes dead. Nice callback to Antiope's trick though.

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I call these "Byrne Dots". They're like Kirby Dots, but uglier.

There is the scene at the end with the German soldiers taking off their gas masks, and they're just a bunch of worn-out looking young guys.

I can't believe Wonder Woman is fucking dead