It was neat at first, then you remember:
1. Luke dies anyway at the end. So why bother astral projecting, why not actually show up in flesh and die with dignity as a war hero and legend
2. He handed Leia Han's golden dice, but PSYCH it was astral projection. Poor Leia gonna think she had Alzeimer when her late husband's keepsake handed in person by her beloved brother fades into thin air
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>It was neat at first
No youngfag. You're just a dumb fuck.
Him dying at the end kind of felt like a tacked on last minute call to me.
I agree, I thought it was cool too, at first...
He fakes out Kylo, and makes him look all Emo and stupid.
"Ha ha, stupid Emo, you thought you killed me,... loser bitch. Go suck a dick."
But then, Luke died anyway,... and I thought, "Well,... what the fuck was the point of that shit then?? So,...he didn't fake anyone out, he is just dead... ok, that's pretty stupid,..."
Jokes on you when J.J makes Luke become a mega Jedi Ghost the size of a Death Star
At this point, I would be ok with that.
You can make arguments that going from hopefully optimistic Luke to grumpy dejected Luke sucked with nothing in between, but his astral projection feat is probably the craziest thing we've seen anyone do with the force
1. Projected LIGHT YEARS away
2. Was able to project to however many different people were there
3. Was able to trick them into feeling physical sensations
It was some crazy shit
Leia left the dice, that's why it faded away in Kylo's hand. The more retarded thing is how Leia couldn't tell he wasn't there, and also when you actually analyze Luke's plan, it doesn't make any fucking sense.
What exactly was he trying to achieve? He knew he was just going to stall thr First Order since he wasn't actually there, but for that to work he needs to know there is another escape route. Now, if he knew there was another escape route, he must have seen it was blocked, so why not tell them it's fucking blocked so they take explosvies with them or something? If he didn't know there was another escape route, then his whole plan of astral projecting is absoultely useless and retarded.
If he dies anyway then for what literal purpose. At least show up in flesh and die with dignity.
Wahhhh he enjoyed something from the movie and it hurts meee
I think stalling for people in a desperate situation and just hoping they figure something out makes as much sense as anything else. The only thing that's baffling to me is how Rose and Finn made it back in time
No one actually knows he died. This may come into play later on.
>Leia left the dice, that's why it faded away in Kylo's hand
But what if she didn't and she decided to keep it as a keepsake? Luke didn't know beforehand that she'll leave the golden dice. It could easily be an accidental troll moment.
Also if astral projecting takes a toll on you, why bother spending precious moments chit chatting with your sister and the resistance, etc. Luke could've Force Skype'd Leia anytime with minimum effort, we know this right from the end of ESB
>This may come into play later on.
It won't, just like everything else.
>But what if she didn't
She did, so I won't even bother reading the rest of your post.
i havent seen this movie but user made a funny point...if you can force project and have that projection interact with the real world then why does anyone ever show up for a fight at all? just sit in a cave and have your avatar do all the work so you keep your physical form safe and sound...but maybe its such a great power that it makes you run out of force juice...well so what? yoda can interact with the real world as a ghost so youll just be a constant avatar...
Ray and Leia both talked about it, which leads me to believe Kylo also knows, and if anything he has more reason to let people know than not
Luke had no prior knowledge that Leia would've dropped the dice.
Luke handed it to Leia as if it was an important keepsake and memento for her to hold on. It is incredibly contrived to do such scene when the dice itself is only an astral projection of said dice
If anything the conclusion to draw from what you said is that he either wanted her to know that he was only there as an illusion after he couldn't keep up the act
I’m thinking Leia left it on purpose for Ben/Kylo to find. Debatable if she was in on the astral projection or not, but maybe it’s a “last gasp” for her to reach her son’s heart.
Also how did Rey get back on the Falcon
It makes me wonder if Luke wasn't supposed to die at the end originally.
I just assumed Kylo just kept people from stopping her hijacking an escape pod or something. In terms of bullshit I found that one to be somewhat lower priority, though it did make the timeline for the movie kind of confusing
Funny part is Luke still had the actual dice from the Falcon so if they were significant to Leia in anyway she never gets to see them again.
1. He made an oath to never leave the island, and until his death he did not.
2. Leia left the dice and Kylo found them, reminding him he killed his father by showing him a keepsake that fades away.
It's almost like, you know, poetry?
yeahhhh... almost as if it was a post production decision in response to Mark Hamil's insubordination at panels and interviews
...disney is altering the deal
those dice were our dreams, user
our dreams
Because there's no better send-off for a classic movie character than a sudden death that makes no sense whatsoever.
Again that's plot convenience. Luke had no prior knowledge that Leia would left the dice, unless he Force Skype'd Leia beforehand and told her that the dice was a fake, and leave it to fuck with Kylo even more
>I over analyze the plot of a space fantasy movie and complain till someone loves me
...
you mean cheesy hallmark poetry with crappy symbolism, overwrought romantic imagery, and almost no semblance of form, structure, integrity or talent? Yeah? I could buy it as poetry then.
>
I analyze the plot of a franchise I like and point out flaws in them because I like the franchise and want it to be better
What's it like not being able to form any arguments besides ones based on your emotions?
Probably feels like being a couple of faggots
I hope Iger has his pad and pen out then, the Star Wars Savior is in this very thread apparently
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Well, considering you're the one resulting to personal insults and others are using actual words. I'd say you'd have to let us know.
How's it feel to be simple minded and need hamfisted dialogue and meta laden exposition to actually get the point of something?
>it's the joos
Go away polfag you guys are the controlled opposition who makes it so easy for people to deflect legitimat substantive criticism legit non-racist Star Wars fans have against TLJ
"The action in Gray Lensman picks up immediately where Galactic Patrol left off, in the middle of the battle to destroy Helmuth's Main Base and, it is hoped, fully end the threat of Boskone. After the base falls, Kinnison finds some clues that lead him to think that Helmuth was perhaps not the head of Boskone after all. The clues lead Kinnison to mount an expedition aboard the newly constructed super-dreadnought Dauntless, into the Second Galaxy where he thinks the true head of Boskone might reside."
"Because he had fought the Overlords before, Kinnison is asked to lead the expedition to hunt them down, and the reptilian Worsel comes along. The Delgonians are dispatched in fairly short order, but only after the loss of many good men. Kinnison agonizes over the casualties that they suffered because, although he and Worsel were mentally strong enough to resist the Overlords, his men were not.
Kinnison infiltrates Jalte's base and gets the information he had been hoping for since his trip to the Second Galaxy: the location of the leaders of Boskone, a group made up of members of a race called the Eich. He and Worsel set out on what amounts to an almost suicide mission to infiltrate Jarnevon, the homeworld of the Eich. Kinnison is captured and tortured. Unknown to the Eich, Worsel is hiding close by and finds a way to rescue Kinnison, and they get away. Infected by something that requires the Patrol doctors to amputate all four limbs, blinded, and tortured almost to death, Kinnison is nonetheless saved, but he will most likely be a basket case."
our dreams.
"In Children of the Lens, the Eddorians, realizing at last the threat Kimball Kinnison poses to their rule, set a trap for him: a region of space in which all ships passing through disappear. After the destruction of Ploor (the world immediately beneath Eddore in the Boskonian hierarchy) by two colliding faster-than-light planets, Kinnison, thinking the galaxy is secured, decides to investigate this "hell-hole in space." His children know of the danger to him, but, since any knowledge of the Eddorians would drive him insane, they cannot speak out.
And so Kinnison goes in: and he is trapped. He is propelled across vast numbers of uncountable dimensions, onto a planet in a universe so far beyond our own the Arisians themselves cannot perceive it. The Eddorians place a "binding" or geas upon him, such that Kinnison cannot return to his own universe, unless and until the Eddorian spell-caster has survived in good health for at least fifty years. Not long after this, the Eddorians are finally wiped out by the combined mental might of "Kit" Kinnison and his four sisters, assisted briefly by the entirety of the Lensman Corps. Much to the Kinnisons' surprise, however, their father does not reappear after this ultimate victory.
Kinnison is trapped in a netherworld, undetectable to any individual in our own space. The Arisians fear that he is lost forever, and that for the other Kinnisons to search for him would result in their loss as well, bringing to naught the toil of untold millennia. But the awesome mental power of the Children of the Lens, working as a single unit, defying the Arisian order to desist, and amplified by the mind of their mother Clarissa (the only female Lensman in all of the series), at last discovers the universe where Kinnison is hidden. Their minds and their love draw him back to our own space-time, to physical reality, and to the arms of his family."
A FUCKING ADOBE AFTER EFFECTS FADE OUT. THATS HOW LUKE WENT OUT. BRAVO RIAN
Obviously you missed the whole point of the movie.
If he's gonna sacrifice himself anyway, why not die in the blaze of glory instead of this contrived trickery that served absolutely no purpose
Luke, the equivalent of Kimball Kinnison, comes to believe that there are other threats besides the Sith to beings in the galaxy. These threats possibly include, but maybe are not limited to Snoke and some beings associated with him. These threats might have even manipulated some or all of the Sith as their underlings. Sometime after ROTJ he becomes something similar to a gray jedi and engages in actions against the Jedi Order's beliefs in order to do things he thinks will be ultimately justified. Luke infiltrates something where these threats are located, but gets tortured and has his mind effected by this. Luke may or may not attack these threats. Luke tries to train Jedis to potentially deal with these threats. At some point Luke has a gaes or something of similar effect placed upon him that prevents him from physically leaving the island of Ahch-To (possibly it involved the acts of some of the beings that are the threats that he learned about). Luke performs a force projection to appear on Krayt. The effect of the force projection seems to have been to destroy his physical body.
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Projection
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Phantom
Is pic related your wife's daughter?
1. I gaurantee you the only reason this didnt happen was so Luke could fade away into the force like Yoda
2. We won't get a reaction from Leia when she finds out that she was punk'd
>why bother astral projecting
I literally cannot believe how stupid you are. Either you didn't watch the movie, you fell asleep during the last half hour, you are eleven years old, or you are retarded. The whole reason Luke appeared at the end was to buy the Resistance time to escape. If Luke had showed up in the flesh, he would have been vaporized by those nu-AT-AT lasers in five seconds. I mean, Jesus Christ, how did you not realize this?
>Kylo wants to kill Luke
>Durr why Luke don't let kylo just kill him why Luke doesn't let the bad guy have what he wants
someone post the facebook anime sephiroth anime tails thread where tails was a hologram the whole time
Killing a franchise?
The question is more from a writing standpoint than an actual plot standpoint.
You could have written an ending where Luke shows up in person and sacrifices himself to buy time for others. There was no need at all to do it through the astral projection idea.
>Female writers think sci fi is stupid.
>See force ghost after being hired for first time.
>Make universe breaking Luke astral projecting bullshit.
>Why? Because fuck you and your nerdist bullshit. Its just fucking stupid sci fi Its all fucking made up.
Womens brains hate fucking sci fi. Id be amazed if the "writers" even watched the movies without playing bejeweled on their iphones.
Like seriously, they have lasers so lets make phasma have a mirror suit. Ohh and lets have Haldo fucking light speed into other ships.
I just cant even. The sheer disrespect of the genre is mind boggling.
>stop caring user star wars is dead.
Honeslty. I think I did.
Because to me the point was fuck you whitey.
>why not die in the blaze of glory
It wouldn't be very glorious to be slain in front of everyone by the leader of the enemy.
WITH NO SURVIVORS!
also
>fuck logic and reason
>muh emotions
>teh feels
>lets give The First Order and Kylo Ren what they want
I knew Luke died going into the movie, so I thought he would die a hero's death and redeem himself.
But he just disappeared. Did he really die?
>he would have been vaporized by those nu-AT-AT lasers in five seconds
Yeah that would have been so glorious.
>>Make universe breaking Luke astral projecting bullshit.
>universe breaking
Wrong!
Dude also dies for the Resistance that no one in the galaxy cares about
Luke would not have made for a good distraction if he got vaporized by the ATAT barrage.
EXPECTATION STATUS: SUBVERTED
Also, why the fuck wouldn't he have read the fucking texts? Nothing in this goddamned movie made any sense.
>Disney is altering the deal
I got the point, I just don't like it nor agree with it.
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.
BASED
It's even worse when you realize Rey and Kylo are doing the same (mind bond my ass), and can actually interact with each other and the environment without dying.
Luke was a pointless, useless, coward, cunt in TLJ. The movie is garbage and disney kill any reason to give a shit about these movies.
>So why bother astral projecting, why not actually show up in flesh and die with dignity as a war hero and legend
he didn't decide to do this until after Rey left with the Falcon, I don't think he had any way to get there in time
>Poor Leia gonna think she had Alzeimer when her late husband's keepsake handed in person by her beloved brother fades into thin air
I'm sure she knew, if she told anyone it would give the game away
>The whole reason Luke appeared at the end was to buy the Resistance time to escape.
That wouldn't have been necessary if Rose hadn't aborted Finn's sacrifice for the most retarded possible reason.
No... no that would actually adhere with the narrative of the movie. Even the political shit.
Luke dying in person doesn't contradict anything thematically.
went in Snoke's nearby escape pod and flew to the Falcon
Well for one, it would make his obi-wan throwback lines make more sense.
he can do that just as effectively if not more effectively if he's not physically there
Kylo was going to go full rage mode pretty quickly and the fight would be won or lost quickly
with him not being there, he was able to give an extra bit of monologue and drive him further into a rage, making his tactical decisions continue to suffer rather than winning (which is probably what would've happened) and then immediately bringing the whole First Order down on that rebel base, or losing and having Luke get disintegrated regardless
you misunderstood, Yoda was saying Luke did read them so he should've known they weren't very good books
I think it was a reference to them decanonizing the books in real life, people had differing opinions but they tended to agree most of the goods weren't any good
If you astral project and die, you win!
what I want to know is if he could've survived the blaster barrage in person
Darth Vader blocked blaster bolts, Kylo Ren held one in mid-air, Yoda lifted a whole fighter craft, not to mention the extended universe stuff (even after the canon changes)
I don't think it's totally unreasonable that he could've put up a protective bubble or something, but I don't know if something like that has been done on that scale before
You are wrong. Thus, why Yoda says Rey has everything she needs (the books). She'll read the books, unlike Luke; unlock its teachings, unlike Luke; and restore the Jedi Order, unlike Luke.
>Die with dignity
What like you wanted Kylo to beat him in a duel in front of the First Order and the resistance? Do you actually think the First Order knows Luke is dead? Why would they?
Luke really turned into a pathetic failure after episode 6
the fuck are you talking about? he says she has everything she needs after he burns the books
>your pic
Luke almost did kill his father tho
dignity is overrated, especially in a guerilla warfare situation
better to have the enemy think you're unkillable
>"Read them, have you?"
>"...Well I--"
>"Page turners, they were not."
Luke didn't read them, and they weren't good books.
She stole the books, user. You can see them at the end. Sorry.
really? I guess I need to watch it again
Lmao imagine trying to ingrain your illogical hate of women into everything you post
Because he got mad at vader for wanting to turn leia over. its something that was built up to, from the beginning luke's immeadiate instinct was never to kill his dad
Are you aware there was a static hyperspace field aboard the supremacy for making a computer go faster? That could make the area stickier to other objects :-)
This was a lose lose situation. If he actually did show up then how the fuck did he get there? Take his X-wing that has been underwater for like 20 years but miraculously still works just fine?
Don't forget when Kylo is connected to Rey rain drops fell down from his cheek
SW has finally entered teleportation age.
It was COMPLETELY POINTLESS FLAIR
He might as well have flown his X wing into the First Order flagship shooting fireworks and playing the trombone, jumping out at the last second, flying through space with his cock out, exposed to the literal vacuum of space and then superleia'ing into the nearest planet causing an extinction level event
Luke died on that planet because it has two suns in its sky so when Luke died he can listen to his theme Binary Suns
O MY ASTRAL PROJECTION
Goddamn almost quints