JJ can still salvage Star Wars

I legitimately don't see how Rian Johnson couldn't have done this shit on purpose. He basically said fuck you to JJ and the fans in every way he possibly could. There's no possible way it wasn't on purpose. Either that or he's a complete fucking retard, which I guess is probably more likely.

Anyway, I'm still hoping JJ says fuck you right back and undoes literally everything Rian did in TLJ, since that's what Rian did to him. Give him a taste of his own medicine.

>Luke actually lived
>Rey is actually a Kenobi
>Snoke actually lives or revives himself with the Force
>Yoda comes back and actually acts like Yoda and not some crazy tard
>also Obi Wan comes back with Yoda (played by Ewan) to reveal to Rey that she is his granddaughter
>Fat Asian girl isn't in the movie, nobody mentions her character at all, she never existed
>also while we're at it, lets bring Han back somehow and have the Luke/Han reunion we never fucking had because I mean seriously are you fuCKINGKIDDINGME HOW THE FUCK DID THEY NOT HAVE HAN AND LUKE REUINITE ITS JUSTUIHPPFGOUHOUDLA
>also Snoke is Palpatine and Anakin (Hayden) returns as a force ghost to confront him
>also Lando shows up because they could have had Lando in TLJ because Billy D wanted to do it but Rian FUCKINGASSHOLERETARD Johnson said no

If all this shit happened I think it would save the Sequel Trilogy. Thoughts?

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You're putting your hopes on a man who thinks a mystery without an answer is good screen writing.

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It's dead, let it rot.

we will never get the justice we deserve, let's face it, there s nothin he can do to salvage this shitshow

Yeah I'm aware of that. I know it's not going to happen, but he could totally do it if he wanted to and it would be fucking awesome

You nigger, it was this man who ruined the sequel trilogy in the first place with his trite, uninspired shitfest of a movie and his fucking boxes. TLJ found a way to be even worse than this, but at least Rian shat all over JJ and his shitty little boxes.

Star Wars is over. I'm never paying to see another Star Wars movie. If you give Disney your money and you go see IX after this dumpster fire, shame on you.

I think it was a wager on who could mess up the SW universe more with only a single movie. It was a stupid thing to do, much like certain authors writing entire series based on drinking bets like 'Can you make a book series out of these nouns: 'Roman Empire' and 'Pokemon'
Even if the answer is yes, it doesn't mean you should.

Nothing can savage SW after ep VIII.

I agree, I refuse to see TLJ, I have just read and heard tons of detailed plot summaries online so I know generally what happens, but I won't give them my fucking money

Do you really think some nepotism-fueled jew with shit all artistic drive or talent is actually going to make something good?

Are you on meth?

The childish, brainless, ranting ideas of a child, everyone

The only way star wars is getting salvaged is if the first scene is luke waking up and saying "what a terrible nightmare" and they start the trilogy over.

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Shit at this point, go with that.

let it go, we already moved on

>leia flies around the universe bacwards at the speed of light and reverses all the events to the opening of the phantom menace where she walks up and pop's sheev in the back of the head.

>childish rantings of a child
GOT EEM

Actually, the best part about ep. VIII for me was how Johnson took J.J. Abrams' "mystery box" and basically revealed that he'd taken a big steaming shit n it. I didn't even enjoy the movie very much, it was just gratifying to see someone take the reins from Abrams' absolutely asinine method of storytelling and subvert or spoil it in every way possible.

The fact that Abrams has to dig himself out for IX is the icing on top.

It's depressing that this really is the best option right now.

I still don't really get how they didn't set up a plan for the entire trilogy before filming anything and are just kind of winging it changing who is in charge of each movie.

Don't get your hopes up. They are never getting rid of the fat Asian. These people are too naive to realize what the audience hates. They are going to double down and fuck up Yoda more and have more annoying pink haired leaders. It's over user. I'm sorry

Abrams produced it, right? I'm shocked that he actually let Johnson do that. I realize that he had no idea of what his mystery box was going to reveal, but after Lost you think he would have learned his lesson on actually giving audiences payoffs to storylines.

Because everybody involved is in it for anything but telling a good Star Wars story. Whether it be just money, some personal ideology, or whatever, nobody really cares about the franchise enough to make it right. And if they do, they're not in a position to do anything.

The deal was announced around Halloween 2012, so there was plenty of time to spend all of 2013 and part of 2014 getting things into place. But I guess nobody cared.

>Actually, the best part about ep. VIII for me was how Johnson took J.J. Abrams' "mystery box" and basically revealed that he'd taken a big steaming shit n it
I get that, and if I didn't give a shit about Star Wars I'd feel the same way. But I can't forgive Rian for destroying the franchise as horribly as he did. Yes, JJ did a shit job starting it off, but Rian could absolutely have saved it and made it great. Instead he chose to shit on JJ and the fans. Either that or he's such a fucking moron he actually thought his story was good.

You're probably right and that's fucking depressing.

>you think he would have learned his lesson on actually giving audiences payoffs to storylines.
Why? Audiences don't learn.

uhgreed

jj had already ruined the sequel trilogy with TFA, johnson's only options were to try and salvage it without stepping on any executive toes, or pour more fuel on the dumpster fire and at least fuck up jj's vision in the process. can't say I'd have done things differently.

Even if he did you would have to be a retarded lowlife to give them more money.

if all... and I mean ALL that dumb shit happens I would kek heartily and see the damn movie.

For let us be honest these flicks (7-9) arent star wars movies these are high budget fan fics, all made with no respect for the source material

>JJ can still salvage Star Wars

He fucking well better, or he's going to find himself rotting in a ditch on Skywalker Ranch

You people are disgusting.

No wonder we end up with so many horrible movies.

Unironically this, JJ that hack fucked this shit up from the get go, while exposing him might as well see how far you can go, I don't blame Rian if those were his intentions. Maybe he was just retarded though.

>snoke reverses time to where leia is out in space
>when she tries to use the force snoke blocks it and force throws her off kylos ship, DONK!
>carrie gets her send off and dies in space
>luke sees how stupid everything is that happened, says fuck it, goes with rey to fight snoke
>gets to throne room scene, turns out snoke is jake skywalker
>poe now knowing how retarded holdo is, slaps her and tells her hes the captain now. Being a weak woman she swoons at his manly ways
>luke tells rey shes jakes daughter, kylo and rey switch sides, luke and kylo kill the shitty characters
>finn is angry, kylo kills him, luke laughs, they decide to take over the galaxy as sith now that luke ended the jedi.
>poe marries phasma and gets a chrome xwing
>chewie gets a medal for throwing c3p0 into a black hole
>we never see rose

Why did George leave everything in their hands. He must have known this would happen. I guess he was so upset with all the backlash from the prequels that he just said, "fuck it, let it burn."

I think Gareth did, he just got fucked over by Kennedy.

Kill yourself faggot, JJ killed star wars with his half ass faggot reboot that doesn't fit with the OT.

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JJ said fuck you to the fans you dumb shit. Rian was trying to salvage this garbage ass franchise.
I hope it dies, Star Wars is gayer than watching two niggers fuck each other in the ass.
Fuck off and die soy boy.

Here's what it's really going to be.
>Luke and Snoke are dead.
>Rey is a faggot Mary Sue.
>The not-Rebellion miraculously gets a half dozen armadas.
>Superweapon that looks like a sphere with a laser on it.
Seriously. Are you honestly expecting more from a glorified highlight reel of the OT?!

>for destroying the franchise
You can thank jj and kathleen for that

It's dead, it's time to let go. Just let it go.

Trevorrow wasn't fired until September last year. I don't think J.J. was aware he was going to have be the janitor that cleans up the shit.

>Rian was trying to salvage this garbage ass franchise.

>"fuck it, let it burn."
And I have joined George in this sentiment. There will be no coming back after Solo fucks the pig. This franchise dies in 2018 and that's a good thing

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

Johnson was the one who tried to "salvage" Abrams derivative set-up and dumb "mystery box" writing that may work in television but sure as hell not in a movie. There was no way to answer the question for Snoke's identity that wouldn't have been underwhelming. There was no way to answer the question about Rey's parents that wouldn't have been underwhelming either and the movie's one stroke of genius, the one thing that makes me able to look past the lame humor and weird subplots, is the decision to have Rey not be related to anyone important. She's a hero because she does the right thing, not because she has the right heritage.

i love it too much, i can't let it go

Fucking sheep. Completely incapable of formulating your own opinion and just parroting shit you hear. Absolutely pathetic.

Just a reminder trailer WAS supposed to release on friday.

Except we already know that JJ had answers, his original plans were revealed during some podcast with Pablo I believe.

>Snoke was a religious figure, TFO started out as cult.
>Rey was Kylo's presumed death sister.
>Finn was supposed to get reconditioned.
>Snoke wanted to summon Vader's presence and put Vader into Kylo's body.
>Luke was a badass.

what the hell is wrong with his nose?

His (((nose))) is perfectly normal, goyim

the only way to salvage this is if someone wakes up in the next movie and says it was all just a vision of a possible future.

kys, shill

that jew is the one that fucked it all up in the first place

>>Rey was Kylo's presumed death sister.

I understand those answers came early on. So there were changes.

But, watching TFA there's no way they didn't intend for audiences to think she wasn't Luke's daughter.

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Entertainment Tonight interview with Mark Hamill, 1983:

Hamill: It's the last one for everyone except for the two robots. They are the only ones who go through the three trilogies, the nine stories.

Shriver: I've heard that you've been hired to come back as Luke Skywalker in the last Star Wars film 18 years from now. Is that true?

Hamill: In, in something like 2004 or something.

Shriver: You're going to be back?

Hamill: But you see its okay because it's either going to be on another plane of existence or not the same character and I can't really tell you why without sort of getting into sensitive material.

Source:youtube.com/watch?v=fKD1xx0u-vs - 3:20 mark onwards.

>what the hell is wrong with his nose?

All of this would have been much better than what we got.

>injecting gay characters into a kids space movie
>nose
what a coincidence

George brought in his ideas for the trilogy after he sold it and they told him to fuck off. Sure the prequels weren't the greatest but at least he has a vision, Star Wars still had a soul. That's gone now

That should be interesting considering what happened with Lost.

>There was no way to answer the question for Snoke's identity

Darth Plagueis

>There was no way to answer the question about Rey's parents

She's Luke's daughter. This was completely obvious in TFA. He dropped her off on Jakku to protect her from Snoke.

This stuff wasn't hard to figure out. Johnson just didn't care to.

Yes. That's way I wrote "that wouldn't be underwhelming" user. Rey being Luke's daughter would have been so obvious, it wouldn't even have been a twist. Snoke being Darth Plagueis would have meant absolutely nothing to people who didn't remember a name mentioned once in Episode 3 and have been an underwhelming answer to thise who did.

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Fair enough. But I think obvious answers are better than extremely disappointing and underwhelming answers.

this is sad. just let it go dude.

>everything has to be a twist and can't just be something expected presented in a deeply satisfying way

>This stuff wasn't hard to figure out. Johnson just didn't care to.
JJ didn't give a fuck, it wasn't like there was some kind of outline that rian ignored. JJ killed star wars and rian rubbed salt in the wound.

Maybe if you cry hard enough disney will make a version of star wars you want. With a nice bottle of blue milk to go with your chewbaca blanky.

he stopped caring when he realized all the films he had the least to do with and had the most creative help on were the ones people liked.

he stopped caring when he greenlit the holiday special for his wallet.

There is nothing left to salvage. Only Original Trilogy characters left are supporting characters (not even portrayed by the original actors), the universe has been completely reset, the Resistance has like thirty members at best, Rey has nowhere to go as character, and neither Kylo Ren or the First Order are menacing enough to be effective villains. Since Rey is a female empowerment character she won't succumb to the dark side and will get a happy ending. The only thing left for Kylo Ren is to die since he is the big bad (Phasma is dead and Hux is a bad cartoon character). Redeeming when would be a repeat of ROTJ and people are less accepting of borrowing from the OT. The Force Awakens set this trilogy up for failure and The Last Jedi sealed its fate.

Why are people acting like luke dying is a big deal, he's a jedi, they literally cannot die till their actor dies.

He want to leave a legacy on the right hands. His children doesn't want to run his business and Kennedy whisper in his ear that Disney is his only hope of leaving his legacy. Basically, he was vulnerable to corruption in his old age.

his kids are smart af

we're going to be seeing a lot of "was"s with this franchise

Death, even in Star Wars, has an impact. This issue was kind of a big deal with the prequel dedicated to Anakin trying to prevent the death of his lover. Every death has a meaning, regardless if a few could become a jedi ghost or not.

He was my childhood hero.

I guess you don't have any heroes.

obi wan died in anh and was in every film following ...cough cough fucking yoda and hamil is the only star of the ot that likes star wars.

he is mine too, and for the record still is, probably more so now.

They both die to teach Luke some lesson. In TLJ? There isn't much going for him being a ghost. Rey clearly doesn't give a fuck about him if he was a ghost. The only thing he really done is save a few named character from their death and then died after all the shit he been through in the movie. That and Mark wasn't told about this death.

there is no evidence that proves that is true

>it wouldn't even have been a twist.

who fucking cares? le epic tweest isn't the pinnacle of good story telling.

Rian Johnson writes like a level one Troll. I used to say shit like that to rage people on the internet ten years ago.

Still better than anything Rian did.

>Luke lived
Why? Why would this be a good thing? People aren't mad because he died. They were mad because he wasn't treated like Luke Skywalker when he was alive.

>Rey is a Kenobi
How? That would retcon ObiWan to be a breaker of the Jedi code like Anakin despite lecturing Anakin. It would also invalidate the lesson learned by Anakin.

Video doesn't seem to exist, can you repost link pls.. this is very interesting

Oh fuck off. Quit pretending JJ was good because Rian was shit.

>still trying to sell merchandise
Get outta here JIDF

Rian actually did a decent job. I'm looking forward to his trilogy where he's not forced to deal with JJ's awful setup. Hopefully Kennedy will be gone by then too.

>that pic
So instead of developing Poe, Rian Johnson invented an entirely different underdeveloped character to go with Finn on a pointless subplot?

It will be cancelled silently and accidentally become the new Shadows of the Empire, that is, all of the merch of a film without the actual film

And the big payoff of all that was that utterly moronic move she pulled on Crait, apparently.

That's a line in the actual movie? I thought it was just some new meme I hadn't heard about.

>Finn was supposed to get reconditioned.

That's horrible and I would actually care

What is a death sister

nice source faggot

Maybe somebody could, but it sure as hell ain't JJ. He's as much responsible for this mess as anybody.

>Rian actually did a decent job.
Yes I quite liked Looper. Last Jedi was pure ass though.